Newbie

Newbie

[Deena Moodley]

Hi Listers,

I am new to the list and would like to introduce myself. 

My name is Deenadayalan Moodley and I live in South Africa.  I am a
programmer for the South African government.  We, here at work are now
introducing Linux.  It is my job to setup the Linux server.  The problem is
I am totally blind and use speech and have no prior experience of Linux.

My knowledge extends to MSDOS Windows 9x /nt.  Therefore, I would like to
ask for help to be able to setup this server and become proficient in Linux.
We certainly don't have any one in this department that even saw how Linux
operates so that avenue is closed.

So, my first question is:
1.  Which is the best distribution of Linux to use with speech?
2.  Where can it be obtained?
3.  How do I use speech to access a Linux box to do the installation and
configuration?
4.  Where can I find a good tutorial in text form to assist me in my
endeavors?

Thanks for any help.



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Geoff Shang [SMTP:gshang10@scu.edu.au]
> Sent:	Monday, April 03, 2000 2:28 PM
> To:	speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject:	Re: another newbie
> 
> Hi Ron - great to have you on-board.  If you're in to trouble-shooting
> hardware probs then linux is for you.
> 
> The w;ay to close linux is by using the shutdown command.  Hopefully
> zipspeak is set up so that control-alt-del invokes this.  The command is:
> 
> 	shutdown -h now
> 
> to halt the system.  Use -r instead to reboot.
> 
> Geoff.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: Newbie

[Christopher Moore]

Hi Deena,
There's no right answer to the most accessible linux distribution.  I
personnaly like slackware.  It has a text installer which allows a totally
blind person to install the system by answering prompts.  I'm not sure
whether the others distributions have this advantage.

73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

Re: Newbie

[Dave Talmage]

Hi Deenadayalan ,

As far as which is the best that is just a matter of opinion.
I like Red Hat and have been taking a look at Slackware.  For what you
intend to use it for, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Red Hat.
You can get more information at http://www.redhat.com
You should go to their download page, and find the page related to mirror
sights so you can find a faster connection.  If you have the hardware to
write CDs, it is easiest to download the iso images.
One nice feature of Red Hat 6.2 is the improved serial console
installation.  Using another computer and a null modem, you can install Red
Hat with speech without a problem.  To do this you would boot from the
floppy on your future Linux system, and at the boot prompt type:
linux console=ttyS1
for your second serial port or ttyS0 for your 1st.
Now you can switch to your talking DOS or Windows system and use a terminal
program to finish the installation.  They have made some major improvements
with the serial console feature in the 6.2 release.
As far as sources of information, there are a great many out there, many
are dated, but in dealing with computers isn't that the norm?  Try
http://www.empowermentzone.com and do a key word search on the page for
linux and unix.  This is a great sight for reference material with a
tremendous wealth of information on all sorts of topics.  Unfortunately,
the links are all on the same page so searches are necessary and you may
sometimes miss something of interest.  I believe the author tries to keep
like content together on the page whenever possible, so after you get your
first match go up and down from there for a bit to check out what is nearby.
Good luck,

Dave

At 03:06 PM 4/3/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi Listers,
>
>I am new to the list and would like to introduce myself. 
>
>My name is Deenadayalan Moodley and I live in South Africa.  I am a
>programmer for the South African government.  We, here at work are now
>introducing Linux.  It is my job to setup the Linux server.  The problem is
>I am totally blind and use speech and have no prior experience of Linux.
>
>My knowledge extends to MSDOS Windows 9x /nt.  Therefore, I would like to
>ask for help to be able to setup this server and become proficient in Linux.
>We certainly don't have any one in this department that even saw how Linux
>operates so that avenue is closed.
>
>So, my first question is:
>1.  Which is the best distribution of Linux to use with speech?
>2.  Where can it be obtained?
>3.  How do I use speech to access a Linux box to do the installation and
>configuration?
>4.  Where can I find a good tutorial in text form to assist me in my
>endeavors?
>
>Thanks for any help.

Re: Newbie

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

I read on another list that the empowermentzone web page hasn't been
updated in ages.  The files have, but you need to know what they are in
order to get them.

Geoff.

RE: Newbie

[Deena Moodley]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the help.  I am currently downloading Redhat 6.2 from a site here
in South Africa.  Now, What do I do with the iso file I download.

This file is the redhat-6.2-i386.iso file which is 647.76 Mb.

Is this the full CD version?  Remember you are dealing with some one that
has not even seen Linux as of this writing.  I also found Redhat manuals in
.pdf format on the redhat site so, if any one would like them I will gladly
forward them.  I have already converted them into ascii.

Thanks.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Dave Talmage [SMTP:TALMAGE@SOMTEL.COM]
> Sent:	Saturday, June 03, 2000 6:00 PM
> To:	speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject:	Re: Newbie
> 
> Hi Deenadayalan ,
> 
> As far as which is the best that is just a matter of opinion.
> I like Red Hat and have been taking a look at Slackware.  For what you
> intend to use it for, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Red Hat.
> You can get more information at http://www.redhat.com
> You should go to their download page, and find the page related to mirror
> sights so you can find a faster connection.  If you have the hardware to
> write CDs, it is easiest to download the iso images.
> One nice feature of Red Hat 6.2 is the improved serial console
> installation.  Using another computer and a null modem, you can install
> Red
> Hat with speech without a problem.  To do this you would boot from the
> floppy on your future Linux system, and at the boot prompt type:
> linux console=ttyS1
> for your second serial port or ttyS0 for your 1st.
> Now you can switch to your talking DOS or Windows system and use a
> terminal
> program to finish the installation.  They have made some major
> improvements
> with the serial console feature in the 6.2 release.
> As far as sources of information, there are a great many out there, many
> are dated, but in dealing with computers isn't that the norm?  Try
> http://www.empowermentzone.com and do a key word search on the page for
> linux and unix.  This is a great sight for reference material with a
> tremendous wealth of information on all sorts of topics.  Unfortunately,
> the links are all on the same page so searches are necessary and you may
> sometimes miss something of interest.  I believe the author tries to keep
> like content together on the page whenever possible, so after you get your
> first match go up and down from there for a bit to check out what is
> nearby.
> Good luck,
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 03:06 PM 4/3/00 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi Listers,
> >
> >I am new to the list and would like to introduce myself. 
> >
> >My name is Deenadayalan Moodley and I live in South Africa.  I am a
> >programmer for the South African government.  We, here at work are now
> >introducing Linux.  It is my job to setup the Linux server.  The problem
> is
> >I am totally blind and use speech and have no prior experience of Linux.
> >
> >My knowledge extends to MSDOS Windows 9x /nt.  Therefore, I would like to
> >ask for help to be able to setup this server and become proficient in
> Linux.
> >We certainly don't have any one in this department that even saw how
> Linux
> >operates so that avenue is closed.
> >
> >So, my first question is:
> >1.  Which is the best distribution of Linux to use with speech?
> >2.  Where can it be obtained?
> >3.  How do I use speech to access a Linux box to do the installation and
> >configuration?
> >4.  Where can I find a good tutorial in text form to assist me in my
> >endeavors?
> >
> >Thanks for any help.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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RE: Newbie

[cpt.kirk]

Deena,

Yes, you are downloading the full CD version. You will need software to
create a CD from a CDR. Most software for this purpose can read the iso
file and take care of that step.

Given that you are relying on speach, I will stop at that point and let
someone more experianced give you the next steps.

Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
------------------

Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now).

RE: Newbie

[Dave Talmage]

Hi Deena, 

I hope you have either a CDR or CDRW burner, because you will need it to
write that ISO9660 image to a CD-ROM.
I'll assume that you have either one or the other, so what you are getting
with that file is Red Hat's main installation disk.  Some mirror sites also
have an ISO of the Docs disk and another of source.  I downloaded and
burned the docs disk and it really wasn't worth the effort.  If it isn't in
the doc directory on the main installation disk and you need something it
is quicker just to jump on the Internet and get rather than download the
docs disk which has a lot of graphic files, etc.  The same goes for the
source disk, since you will probably only be interested in the kernel
source for the near future.

Regarding the installation, after you create the CD you should take a look
at the readme file in the CD's root dir as well as the release notes.
You will also have a doc directory with a sub dir of ref-guide where you
will find index.htm.  You should load this and go down to the tab and read
the portion on text installs at a minimum.  The /doc/install-guide is for
the graphical install and you'll probably find the text install more
accommodating.
The CD you will create is a bootible CD if your system supports this.  If
not you will need to create a boot floppy.  To do this you will find the
rawrite utility in the /dosUtils subdir and 3 different boot .img files in
the images subdir.  These are described in the docs and I believe in the
readme file, but the one you will probably be interested in is the boot.img
file.
I'll leave off here so you can catch up to this point.
Dave



At 01:07 PM 4/4/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi Dave,
>
>Thanks for the help.  I am currently downloading Redhat 6.2 from a site here
>in South Africa.  Now, What do I do with the iso file I download.
>
>This file is the redhat-6.2-i386.iso file which is 647.76 Mb.
>
>Is this the full CD version?  Remember you are dealing with some one that
>has not even seen Linux as of this writing.  I also found Redhat manuals in
>.pdf format on the redhat site so, if any one would like them I will gladly
>forward them.  I have already converted them into ascii.
>
>Thanks.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:	Dave Talmage [SMTP:TALMAGE@SOMTEL.COM]
>> Sent:	Saturday, June 03, 2000 6:00 PM
>> To:	speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> Subject:	Re: Newbie
>> 
>> Hi Deenadayalan ,
>> 
>> As far as which is the best that is just a matter of opinion.
>> I like Red Hat and have been taking a look at Slackware.  For what you
>> intend to use it for, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Red Hat.
>> You can get more information at http://www.redhat.com
>> You should go to their download page, and find the page related to mirror
>> sights so you can find a faster connection.  If you have the hardware to
>> write CDs, it is easiest to download the iso images.
>> One nice feature of Red Hat 6.2 is the improved serial console
>> installation.  Using another computer and a null modem, you can install
>> Red
>> Hat with speech without a problem.  To do this you would boot from the
>> floppy on your future Linux system, and at the boot prompt type:
>> linux console=ttyS1
>> for your second serial port or ttyS0 for your 1st.
>> Now you can switch to your talking DOS or Windows system and use a
>> terminal
>> program to finish the installation.  They have made some major
>> improvements
>> with the serial console feature in the 6.2 release.
>> As far as sources of information, there are a great many out there, many
>> are dated, but in dealing with computers isn't that the norm?  Try
>> http://www.empowermentzone.com and do a key word search on the page for
>> linux and unix.  This is a great sight for reference material with a
>> tremendous wealth of information on all sorts of topics.  Unfortunately,
>> the links are all on the same page so searches are necessary and you may
>> sometimes miss something of interest.  I believe the author tries to keep
>> like content together on the page whenever possible, so after you get your
>> first match go up and down from there for a bit to check out what is
>> nearby.
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> At 03:06 PM 4/3/00 +0200, you wrote:
>> >Hi Listers,
>> >
>> >I am new to the list and would like to introduce myself. 
>> >
>> >My name is Deenadayalan Moodley and I live in South Africa.  I am a
>> >programmer for the South African government.  We, here at work are now
>> >introducing Linux.  It is my job to setup the Linux server.  The problem
>> is
>> >I am totally blind and use speech and have no prior experience of Linux.
>> >
>> >My knowledge extends to MSDOS Windows 9x /nt.  Therefore, I would like to
>> >ask for help to be able to setup this server and become proficient in
>> Linux.
>> >We certainly don't have any one in this department that even saw how
>> Linux
>> >operates so that avenue is closed.
>> >
>> >So, my first question is:
>> >1.  Which is the best distribution of Linux to use with speech?
>> >2.  Where can it be obtained?
>> >3.  How do I use speech to access a Linux box to do the installation and
>> >configuration?
>> >4.  Where can I find a good tutorial in text form to assist me in my
>> >endeavors?
>> >
>> >Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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>

RE: Newbie

[Deena Moodley]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the quick response.  I have a CD rw so burning it will be no
problem.


I have already started reading the installation guide and hope to be
installing soon.  So, hold thumbs.

Thanks.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Dave Talmage [SMTP:TALMAGE@SOMTEL.COM]
> Sent:	Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:56 PM
> To:	speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject:	RE: Newbie
> 
> Hi Deena, 
> 
> I hope you have either a CDR or CDRW burner, because you will need it to
> write that ISO9660 image to a CD-ROM.
> I'll assume that you have either one or the other, so what you are getting
> with that file is Red Hat's main installation disk.  Some mirror sites
> also
> have an ISO of the Docs disk and another of source.  I downloaded and
> burned the docs disk and it really wasn't worth the effort.  If it isn't
> in
> the doc directory on the main installation disk and you need something it
> is quicker just to jump on the Internet and get rather than download the
> docs disk which has a lot of graphic files, etc.  The same goes for the
> source disk, since you will probably only be interested in the kernel
> source for the near future.
> 
> Regarding the installation, after you create the CD you should take a look
> at the readme file in the CD's root dir as well as the release notes.
> You will also have a doc directory with a sub dir of ref-guide where you
> will find index.htm.  You should load this and go down to the tab and read
> the portion on text installs at a minimum.  The /doc/install-guide is for
> the graphical install and you'll probably find the text install more
> accommodating.
> The CD you will create is a bootible CD if your system supports this.  If
> not you will need to create a boot floppy.  To do this you will find the
> rawrite utility in the /dosUtils subdir and 3 different boot .img files in
> the images subdir.  These are described in the docs and I believe in the
> readme file, but the one you will probably be interested in is the
> boot.img
> file.
> I'll leave off here so you can catch up to this point.
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> At 01:07 PM 4/4/00 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi Dave,
> >
> >Thanks for the help.  I am currently downloading Redhat 6.2 from a site
> here
> >in South Africa.  Now, What do I do with the iso file I download.
> >
> >This file is the redhat-6.2-i386.iso file which is 647.76 Mb.
> >
> >Is this the full CD version?  Remember you are dealing with some one that
> >has not even seen Linux as of this writing.  I also found Redhat manuals
> in
> >.pdf format on the redhat site so, if any one would like them I will
> gladly
> >forward them.  I have already converted them into ascii.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:	Dave Talmage [SMTP:TALMAGE@SOMTEL.COM]
> >> Sent:	Saturday, June 03, 2000 6:00 PM
> >> To:	speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> Subject:	Re: Newbie
> >> 
> >> Hi Deenadayalan ,
> >> 
> >> As far as which is the best that is just a matter of opinion.
> >> I like Red Hat and have been taking a look at Slackware.  For what you
> >> intend to use it for, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Red Hat.
> >> You can get more information at http://www.redhat.com
> >> You should go to their download page, and find the page related to
> mirror
> >> sights so you can find a faster connection.  If you have the hardware
> to
> >> write CDs, it is easiest to download the iso images.
> >> One nice feature of Red Hat 6.2 is the improved serial console
> >> installation.  Using another computer and a null modem, you can install
> >> Red
> >> Hat with speech without a problem.  To do this you would boot from the
> >> floppy on your future Linux system, and at the boot prompt type:
> >> linux console=ttyS1
> >> for your second serial port or ttyS0 for your 1st.
> >> Now you can switch to your talking DOS or Windows system and use a
> >> terminal
> >> program to finish the installation.  They have made some major
> >> improvements
> >> with the serial console feature in the 6.2 release.
> >> As far as sources of information, there are a great many out there,
> many
> >> are dated, but in dealing with computers isn't that the norm?  Try
> >> http://www.empowermentzone.com and do a key word search on the page for
> >> linux and unix.  This is a great sight for reference material with a
> >> tremendous wealth of information on all sorts of topics.
> Unfortunately,
> >> the links are all on the same page so searches are necessary and you
> may
> >> sometimes miss something of interest.  I believe the author tries to
> keep
> >> like content together on the page whenever possible, so after you get
> your
> >> first match go up and down from there for a bit to check out what is
> >> nearby.
> >> Good luck,
> >> 
> >> Dave
> >> 
> >> At 03:06 PM 4/3/00 +0200, you wrote:
> >> >Hi Listers,
> >> >
> >> >I am new to the list and would like to introduce myself. 
> >> >
> >> >My name is Deenadayalan Moodley and I live in South Africa.  I am a
> >> >programmer for the South African government.  We, here at work are now
> >> >introducing Linux.  It is my job to setup the Linux server.  The
> problem
> >> is
> >> >I am totally blind and use speech and have no prior experience of
> Linux.
> >> >
> >> >My knowledge extends to MSDOS Windows 9x /nt.  Therefore, I would like
> to
> >> >ask for help to be able to setup this server and become proficient in
> >> Linux.
> >> >We certainly don't have any one in this department that even saw how
> >> Linux
> >> >operates so that avenue is closed.
> >> >
> >> >So, my first question is:
> >> >1.  Which is the best distribution of Linux to use with speech?
> >> >2.  Where can it be obtained?
> >> >3.  How do I use speech to access a Linux box to do the installation
> and
> >> >configuration?
> >> >4.  Where can I find a good tutorial in text form to assist me in my
> >> >endeavors?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks for any help.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
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> >
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> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> 
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RE: Newbie

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Deena:

I just want to suggest that you should try reading the Redhat manual using
the provided html files rather than the ASCII text you obtained from
converting the PDF. I think you'll find this version far more fun.

You can find the html on the Redhat installation CD under
doc/ref-guide/ and also doc/install-guide/

Use your favorite browser and enjoy more accurate reading.

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net