[Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux? (fwd)

[Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux? (fwd)

[Deedra Waters]

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:44:48 -1000
From: Ralph Miranda <dragonhawk007@hotmail.com>
To: newchix@linuxchix.org
Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products?  maybe more towards Linux?

Get a load of this info... Microsoft in Oregon?  talk about heavy handed.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml



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Re: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux? (fwd)

[Alex Snow]

This is very interesting.  I think that If a GUI That is as easy, if not
easier, to use than windows, This would be very atractive to Schools.  Also
the adaptive technology for linux is mostly free.  This is good because lets
say I was taking a highschool class in HTML.  On a windows box, A screen
reader is $500+.  The school would have to buy it and pay for it and any
upgrades.  On linux, a simple kernel recompilation and bingo! Talking
computer usable by a blind student.  And lets face it, there's no "This
Program Has performed an elegal operation and will shut down" message in
linux. Oh, I wonder If microsoft has copyrighted that message.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deedra Waters" <curi0315@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:47 PM
Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux?
(fwd)


>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:44:48 -1000
> From: Ralph Miranda <dragonhawk007@hotmail.com>
> To: newchix@linuxchix.org
> Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products?  maybe more towards Linux?
>
> Get a load of this info... Microsoft in Oregon?  talk about heavy handed.
>
>
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf
/html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml
>
>
>
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Re: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux? (fwd)

[Ameer Armaly]

They took that message out.  no blue screens either.  Also, not everyone has
the time to read compulation manuals, in my case because of about two or
three projects that are going on (I'm not exactly thrilled), but I think
linux has it's pro's and con's, just like windows.  No os is perfect, and I
rarely get any errors on my laptop which runs windows xp. But I do like
complicated installs and command lines, so this summer I'm going to compile
colonels just for the fun of experiencing an installation that is actually
more than "just hit enter to install the entire program and we won't ask you
questions...".  I know that that is sometimes cool, but I'm just of the kind
that likes complicated installs.  Did any of you install JFW 1.x and 2.x
from dos?  I loved it when we had to do that.  AZmem, synthesizer drivers,
authorization keys, etc.  Anyway, the point is that windows does have some
Con's in that you have to buy a lot.  My parents were so shocked that a
computer could talk, so they baught jaws right off.  But now, it's normal.
Since I have my dectalk express, I'm going to put linux on my laptop, and
I'll have a duel-boot system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux?
(fwd)


> This is very interesting.  I think that If a GUI That is as easy, if not
> easier, to use than windows, This would be very atractive to Schools.
Also
> the adaptive technology for linux is mostly free.  This is good because
lets
> say I was taking a highschool class in HTML.  On a windows box, A screen
> reader is $500+.  The school would have to buy it and pay for it and any
> upgrades.  On linux, a simple kernel recompilation and bingo! Talking
> computer usable by a blind student.  And lets face it, there's no "This
> Program Has performed an elegal operation and will shut down" message in
> linux. Oh, I wonder If microsoft has copyrighted that message.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deedra Waters" <curi0315@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:47 PM
> Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux?
> (fwd)
>
>
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:44:48 -1000
> > From: Ralph Miranda <dragonhawk007@hotmail.com>
> > To: newchix@linuxchix.org
> > Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products?  maybe more towards
Linux?
> >
> > Get a load of this info... Microsoft in Oregon?  talk about heavy
handed.
> >
> >
>
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf
> /html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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Re: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux? (fwd)

[Gregory Nowak]

Well now, has anyone used a speech to text program  such as dragon dictate so that you could talk back to your computer when it talks to you? The 21st century would come out of the sci fi stories, and it would really be hear (grin).
Greg


On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 03:58:30PM -0400, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> They took that message out.  no blue screens either.  Also, not everyone has
> the time to read compulation manuals, in my case because of about two or
> three projects that are going on (I'm not exactly thrilled), but I think
> linux has it's pro's and con's, just like windows.  No os is perfect, and I
> rarely get any errors on my laptop which runs windows xp. But I do like
> complicated installs and command lines, so this summer I'm going to compile
> colonels just for the fun of experiencing an installation that is actually
> more than "just hit enter to install the entire program and we won't ask you
> questions...".  I know that that is sometimes cool, but I'm just of the kind
> that likes complicated installs.  Did any of you install JFW 1.x and 2.x
> from dos?  I loved it when we had to do that.  AZmem, synthesizer drivers,
> authorization keys, etc.  Anyway, the point is that windows does have some
> Con's in that you have to buy a lot.  My parents were so shocked that a
> computer could talk, so they baught jaws right off.  But now, it's normal.
> Since I have my dectalk express, I'm going to put linux on my laptop, and
> I'll have a duel-boot system.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux?
> (fwd)
> 
> 
> > This is very interesting.  I think that If a GUI That is as easy, if not
> > easier, to use than windows, This would be very atractive to Schools.
> Also
> > the adaptive technology for linux is mostly free.  This is good because
> lets
> > say I was taking a highschool class in HTML.  On a windows box, A screen
> > reader is $500+.  The school would have to buy it and pay for it and any
> > upgrades.  On linux, a simple kernel recompilation and bingo! Talking
> > computer usable by a blind student.  And lets face it, there's no "This
> > Program Has performed an elegal operation and will shut down" message in
> > linux. Oh, I wonder If microsoft has copyrighted that message.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Deedra Waters" <curi0315@tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:47 PM
> > Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux?
> > (fwd)
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:44:48 -1000
> > > From: Ralph Miranda <dragonhawk007@hotmail.com>
> > > To: newchix@linuxchix.org
> > > Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products?  maybe more towards
> Linux?
> > >
> > > Get a load of this info... Microsoft in Oregon?  talk about heavy
> handed.
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf
> > /html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
> > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
> > >
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Re: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux? (fwd)

[Alex Snow]

Yeah, My parents were shocked when I got my first "talking computer", but
they wern't as happy when they found they couldn't understand it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux?
(fwd)


> Well now, has anyone used a speech to text program  such as dragon dictate
so that you could talk back to your computer when it talks to you? The 21st
century would come out of the sci fi stories, and it would really be hear
(grin).
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 03:58:30PM -0400, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> > They took that message out.  no blue screens either.  Also, not everyone
has
> > the time to read compulation manuals, in my case because of about two or
> > three projects that are going on (I'm not exactly thrilled), but I think
> > linux has it's pro's and con's, just like windows.  No os is perfect,
and I
> > rarely get any errors on my laptop which runs windows xp. But I do like
> > complicated installs and command lines, so this summer I'm going to
compile
> > colonels just for the fun of experiencing an installation that is
actually
> > more than "just hit enter to install the entire program and we won't ask
you
> > questions...".  I know that that is sometimes cool, but I'm just of the
kind
> > that likes complicated installs.  Did any of you install JFW 1.x and 2.x
> > from dos?  I loved it when we had to do that.  AZmem, synthesizer
drivers,
> > authorization keys, etc.  Anyway, the point is that windows does have
some
> > Con's in that you have to buy a lot.  My parents were so shocked that a
> > computer could talk, so they baught jaws right off.  But now, it's
normal.
> > Since I have my dectalk express, I'm going to put linux on my laptop,
and
> > I'll have a duel-boot system.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards
Linux?
> > (fwd)
> >
> >
> > > This is very interesting.  I think that If a GUI That is as easy, if
not
> > > easier, to use than windows, This would be very atractive to Schools.
> > Also
> > > the adaptive technology for linux is mostly free.  This is good
because
> > lets
> > > say I was taking a highschool class in HTML.  On a windows box, A
screen
> > > reader is $500+.  The school would have to buy it and pay for it and
any
> > > upgrades.  On linux, a simple kernel recompilation and bingo! Talking
> > > computer usable by a blind student.  And lets face it, there's no
"This
> > > Program Has performed an elegal operation and will shut down" message
in
> > > linux. Oh, I wonder If microsoft has copyrighted that message.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Deedra Waters" <curi0315@tampabay.rr.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:47 PM
> > > Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards
Linux?
> > > (fwd)
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:44:48 -1000
> > > > From: Ralph Miranda <dragonhawk007@hotmail.com>
> > > > To: newchix@linuxchix.org
> > > > Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products?  maybe more towards
> > Linux?
> > > >
> > > > Get a load of this info... Microsoft in Oregon?  talk about heavy
> > handed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf
> > > /html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
> > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
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Re: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux? (fwd)

[Gregory Nowak]

There are 2 things worth pointing out here. One is that speakup is free of charge simply because Kirk chose not to make a profit out of it, for which he deserves thanks from thoes who can't really afford to spend money to keep their screen reader current (I'm still using wineyes 3.1 when I'm in the other OS). Second, even though we don't get that message which you mentioned below, we still get segmentation faults once in a while. Now, the good part is that the offending program doesn't take the whole system with it, unlike something else I could name but choose not to.
Greg


On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 03:47:09PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> This is very interesting.  I think that If a GUI That is as easy, if not
> easier, to use than windows, This would be very atractive to Schools.  Also
> the adaptive technology for linux is mostly free.  This is good because lets
> say I was taking a highschool class in HTML.  On a windows box, A screen
> reader is $500+.  The school would have to buy it and pay for it and any
> upgrades.  On linux, a simple kernel recompilation and bingo! Talking
> computer usable by a blind student.  And lets face it, there's no "This
> Program Has performed an elegal operation and will shut down" message in
> linux. Oh, I wonder If microsoft has copyrighted that message.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deedra Waters" <curi0315@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:47 PM
> Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux?
> (fwd)
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:44:48 -1000
> > From: Ralph Miranda <dragonhawk007@hotmail.com>
> > To: newchix@linuxchix.org
> > Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products?  maybe more towards Linux?
> >
> > Get a load of this info... Microsoft in Oregon?  talk about heavy handed.
> >
> >
> http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf
> /html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
> > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Newchix mailing list
> > Newchix@linuxchix.org
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> >
> >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux? (fwd)

[jwantz]

Hi,
Well segmentation faults are just about always due to the programmer 
doing something like attempting to write past a block of allocated 
memory or failing to free the memory when they are done with it.  The 
boundary between a user space program (your typical application) and the 
kernel is very well defined--the operating system prevents you from 
mucking around with kernel memory from your application.  Whatever 
WINDBLOWS does in this area it doesn't do it very well!  How else do you 
explain an application failing one time and working perfectly well the 
next time under WINDBLOWS.  Yep, I think Linux is far superior!

     Jim Wantz
On Tue, 23 
Apr 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> There are 2 things worth pointing out here. One is that speakup is free of charge simply because Kirk chose not to make a profit out of it, for which he deserves thanks from thoes who can't really afford to spend money to keep their screen reader current (I'm still using wineyes 3.1 when I'm in the other OS). Second, even though we don't get that message which you mentioned below, we still get segmentation faults once in a while. Now, the good part is that the offending program doesn't take the whole system with it, unlike something else I could name but choose not to.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 03:47:09PM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> > This is very interesting.  I think that If a GUI That is as easy, if not
> > easier, to use than windows, This would be very atractive to Schools.  Also
> > the adaptive technology for linux is mostly free.  This is good because lets
> > say I was taking a highschool class in HTML.  On a windows box, A screen
> > reader is $500+.  The school would have to buy it and pay for it and any
> > upgrades.  On linux, a simple kernel recompilation and bingo! Talking
> > computer usable by a blind student.  And lets face it, there's no "This
> > Program Has performed an elegal operation and will shut down" message in
> > linux. Oh, I wonder If microsoft has copyrighted that message.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Deedra Waters" <curi0315@tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:47 PM
> > Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products? maybe more towards Linux?
> > (fwd)
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:44:48 -1000
> > > From: Ralph Miranda <dragonhawk007@hotmail.com>
> > > To: newchix@linuxchix.org
> > > Subject: [Newchix] Microsoft Pushing products?  maybe more towards Linux?
> > >
> > > Get a load of this info... Microsoft in Oregon?  talk about heavy handed.
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf
> > /html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
> > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Newchix mailing list
> > > Newchix@linuxchix.org
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> > >
> > >
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> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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