* audio galaxy @ Deedra Waters ` Gregory Nowak ` randy turner 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Deedra Waters @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hear's my problem. I created the account.txt and shares.txt like the readme file said to. I put the directory that I want downloaded files to go to as the first line, and then listed the rest of the directories that I wanted to share after that. The problem is this, when I run the program it says that I'm sharing 0 files. what am I doing wrong? I should be sharing some 500 files:p ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: audio galaxy audio galaxy Deedra Waters @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Deedra Waters ` randy turner ` randy turner 1 sibling, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Are you running the program as root or as another user? I know that when I was running it as another user, it didn't want to share a number of my files even though their permissions were fine. So, I'm still running it as root. It's a good thing that I have no one else here who knows gnu/linux, or I would have a big security whole in my apartment. As it is, I hope that no one from the outside world is able to crash and exploit the program to gain access to the console on which it runs. If it could be exploited, then I guess I'm screwed. Greg On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 04:32:42PM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote: > Hear's my problem. I created the account.txt and shares.txt like the > readme file said to. I put the directory that I want downloaded files to > go to as the first line, and then listed the rest of the directories that > I wanted to share after that. The problem is this, when I run the program > it says that I'm sharing 0 files. what am I doing wrong? I should be > sharing some 500 files:p > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: audio galaxy ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Deedra Waters ` randy turner 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Deedra Waters @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I'm running it as another user right now, though the way it's set up, my users can brouse /mnt with no problems, they just can't make changes to it. So, my thinking is that the program should be able to see it just fine. i'm downloading files from audiogalaxy now just fine, and it's showing those files as shared, but once I move them to /mnt/My Music I have the feeling that they probably won't show up as shared any mor:p ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: audio galaxy ` Gregory Nowak ` Deedra Waters @ ` randy turner ` Gregory Nowak ` Darcy Burnard 1 sibling, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup yep i know what you mean, tried to run it as something other than root myself i guess if i was really worried about it i would try fooling with it myself to see if i could run it under something else. it is a little scarry to know that others can grab files from you on the system so you wonder what else they could do! randy On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > Are you running the program as root or as another user? I know that when I was running it as another user, it didn't want to share a number of my files even though their permissions were fine. So, I'm still running it as root. It's a good thing that I have no one else here who knows gnu/linux, or I would have a big security whole in my apartment. As it is, I hope that no one from the outside world is able to crash and exploit the program to gain access to the console on which it runs. If it could be exploited, then I guess I'm screwed. > Greg > > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 04:32:42PM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote: > > Hear's my problem. I created the account.txt and shares.txt like the > > readme file said to. I put the directory that I want downloaded files to > > go to as the first line, and then listed the rest of the directories that > > I wanted to share after that. The problem is this, when I run the program > > it says that I'm sharing 0 files. what am I doing wrong? I should be > > sharing some 500 files:p > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: audio galaxy ` randy turner @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Darcy Burnard 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I guess we won't know the answer to that unless they release the source. They claim that it will be gpled eventually, I'm wondering when that will be. Greg On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 05:44:23PM -0600, randy turner wrote: > > > yep i know what you mean, > tried to run it as something other than root myself > i guess if i was really worried about it > i would try fooling with it myself to see if i could > run it under something else. > it is a little scarry to know that others can grab files from you on the > system > so you wonder what else they could do! > randy > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > Are you running the program as root or as another user? I know that when I was running it as another user, it didn't want to share a number of my files even though their permissions were fine. So, I'm still running it as root. It's a good thing that I have no one else here who knows gnu/linux, or I would have a big security whole in my apartment. As it is, I hope that no one from the outside world is able to crash and exploit the program to gain access to the console on which it runs. If it could be exploited, then I guess I'm screwed. > > Greg > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 04:32:42PM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote: > > > Hear's my problem. I created the account.txt and shares.txt like the > > > readme file said to. I put the directory that I want downloaded files to > > > go to as the first line, and then listed the rest of the directories that > > > I wanted to share after that. The problem is this, when I run the program > > > it says that I'm sharing 0 files. what am I doing wrong? I should be > > > sharing some 500 files:p > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: audio galaxy ` randy turner ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Darcy Burnard ` Gregory Nowak ` randy turner 1 sibling, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Darcy Burnard @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi all. I'm curious, for those of you having trouble running audiogalaxy as anything but root, what happens when you try to run it as a normal user? I ask because I've been using the linux audiogalaxy for something like eight months now, and have never had to run it as root. Most of my mp3s are over on my dos partician, and the satellite has never had problems sharing these. The only problem I've ever had with audiogalaxy is that thing where it said invalid account and deleted the account.txt file. This only started happening a month or so ago, and modifying the account.txt file the way Randy suggested, solved the problem. One final question. Where do you guys have the AGSatellite binary located? It seems to me I read somewhere that you've got to leave it in your home directory. I just left it in the directory that was created when I untarred the thing. That's also where I've got my account.txt and shares.txt files. On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, randy turner wrote: > > > yep i know what you mean, > tried to run it as something other than root myself > i guess if i was really worried about it > i would try fooling with it myself to see if i could > run it under something else. > it is a little scarry to know that others can grab files from you on the > system > so you wonder what else they could do! > randy > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > Are you running the program as root or as another user? I know that when I was running it as another user, it didn't want to share a number of my files even though their permissions were fine. So, I'm still running it as root. It's a good thing that I have no one else here who knows gnu/linux, or I would have a big security whole in my apartment. As it is, I hope that no one from the outside world is able to crash and exploit the program to gain access to the console on which it runs. If it could be exploited, then I guess I'm screwed. > > Greg > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 04:32:42PM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote: > > > Hear's my problem. I created the account.txt and shares.txt like the > > > readme file said to. I put the directory that I want downloaded files to > > > go to as the first line, and then listed the rest of the directories that > > > I wanted to share after that. The problem is this, when I run the program > > > it says that I'm sharing 0 files. what am I doing wrong? I should be > > > sharing some 500 files:p > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: audio galaxy ` Darcy Burnard @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Igor Gueths ` randy turner 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup What happened to me when running the satellite as a normal user was that it didn't share some files. Let's say I had 90 mp3s. Whenever I started it up, it would say somthing like files scanned: 87 newfiles: 3. Every time I would start it up again, it would do that, so I just ran it as root, and it shared everything. Yes, the permissions on all the files and the shared directory were read and write for the normal user, the normal user's group, and the world. I put my binary in /usr/local/bin, and I put account.txt and shares.txt in /root/. Greg On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 12:52:53AM -0500, Darcy Burnard wrote: > Hi all. I'm curious, for those of you having trouble running audiogalaxy > as anything but root, what happens when you try to run it as a normal > user? I ask because I've been using the linux audiogalaxy for something > like eight months now, and have never had to run it as root. Most of my > mp3s are over on my dos partician, and the satellite has never had > problems sharing these. > The only problem I've ever had with audiogalaxy is that thing where it > said invalid account and deleted the account.txt file. This only started > happening a month or so ago, and modifying the account.txt file the way > Randy suggested, solved the problem. > One final question. Where do you guys have the AGSatellite binary > located? It seems to me I read somewhere that you've got to leave it in > your home directory. I just left it in the directory that was created > when I untarred the thing. That's also where I've got my account.txt and > shares.txt files. > > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, randy turner wrote: > > > > > > > yep i know what you mean, > > tried to run it as something other than root myself > > i guess if i was really worried about it > > i would try fooling with it myself to see if i could > > run it under something else. > > it is a little scarry to know that others can grab files from you on the > > system > > so you wonder what else they could do! > > randy > > > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > > > Are you running the program as root or as another user? I know that when I was running it as another user, it didn't want to share a number of my files even though their permissions were fine. So, I'm still running it as root. It's a good thing that I have no one else here who knows gnu/linux, or I would have a big security whole in my apartment. As it is, I hope that no one from the outside world is able to crash and exploit the program to gain access to the console on which it runs. If it could be exploited, then I guess I'm screwed. > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 04:32:42PM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > Hear's my problem. I created the account.txt and shares.txt like the > > > > readme file said to. I put the directory that I want downloaded files to > > > > go to as the first line, and then listed the rest of the directories that > > > > I wanted to share after that. The problem is this, when I run the program > > > > it says that I'm sharing 0 files. what am I doing wrong? I should be > > > > sharing some 500 files:p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: audio galaxy ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Igor Gueths 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi Greg. I don't mean to put this on the audio galaxy thread, but just out of curiosity, did you ever get the version for cd creator on the winBlows box? You can respond privately or on list, it doesn't really matter. The address is igueths@yahoo.com. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:03 AM Subject: Re: audio galaxy > What happened to me when running the satellite as a normal user was that it didn't share some files. Let's say I had 90 mp3s. Whenever I started it up, it would say somthing like files scanned: 87 newfiles: 3. Every time I would start it up again, it would do that, so I just ran it as root, and it shared everything. Yes, the permissions on all the files and the shared directory were read and write for the normal user, the normal user's group, and the world. > > I put my binary in /usr/local/bin, and I put account.txt and shares.txt in /root/. > Greg > > > On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 12:52:53AM -0500, Darcy Burnard wrote: > > Hi all. I'm curious, for those of you having trouble running audiogalaxy > > as anything but root, what happens when you try to run it as a normal > > user? I ask because I've been using the linux audiogalaxy for something > > like eight months now, and have never had to run it as root. Most of my > > mp3s are over on my dos partician, and the satellite has never had > > problems sharing these. > > The only problem I've ever had with audiogalaxy is that thing where it > > said invalid account and deleted the account.txt file. This only started > > happening a month or so ago, and modifying the account.txt file the way > > Randy suggested, solved the problem. > > One final question. Where do you guys have the AGSatellite binary > > located? It seems to me I read somewhere that you've got to leave it in > > your home directory. I just left it in the directory that was created > > when I untarred the thing. That's also where I've got my account.txt and > > shares.txt files. > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, randy turner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > yep i know what you mean, > > > tried to run it as something other than root myself > > > i guess if i was really worried about it > > > i would try fooling with it myself to see if i could > > > run it under something else. > > > it is a little scarry to know that others can grab files from you on the > > > system > > > so you wonder what else they could do! > > > randy > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > > > > > Are you running the program as root or as another user? I know that when I was running it as another user, it didn't want to share a number of my files even though their permissions were fine. So, I'm still running it as root. It's a good thing that I have no one else here who knows gnu/linux, or I would have a big security whole in my apartment. As it is, I hope that no one from the outside world is able to crash and exploit the program to gain access to the console on which it runs. If it could be exploited, then I guess I'm screwed. > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 04:32:42PM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > Hear's my problem. I created the account.txt and shares.txt like the > > > > > readme file said to. I put the directory that I want downloaded files to > > > > > go to as the first line, and then listed the rest of the directories that > > > > > I wanted to share after that. The problem is this, when I run the program > > > > > it says that I'm sharing 0 files. what am I doing wrong? I should be > > > > > sharing some 500 files:p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: audio galaxy ` Darcy Burnard ` Gregory Nowak @ ` randy turner 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup hi, my AGSatellite is in my /usr/local/bin directory randy On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Darcy Burnard wrote: > Hi all. I'm curious, for those of you having trouble running audiogalaxy > as anything but root, what happens when you try to run it as a normal > user? I ask because I've been using the linux audiogalaxy for something > like eight months now, and have never had to run it as root. Most of my > mp3s are over on my dos partician, and the satellite has never had > problems sharing these. > The only problem I've ever had with audiogalaxy is that thing where it > said invalid account and deleted the account.txt file. This only started > happening a month or so ago, and modifying the account.txt file the way > Randy suggested, solved the problem. > One final question. Where do you guys have the AGSatellite binary > located? It seems to me I read somewhere that you've got to leave it in > your home directory. I just left it in the directory that was created > when I untarred the thing. That's also where I've got my account.txt and > shares.txt files. > > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, randy turner wrote: > > > > > > > yep i know what you mean, > > tried to run it as something other than root myself > > i guess if i was really worried about it > > i would try fooling with it myself to see if i could > > run it under something else. > > it is a little scarry to know that others can grab files from you on the > > system > > so you wonder what else they could do! > > randy > > > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > > > Are you running the program as root or as another user? I know that when I was running it as another user, it didn't want to share a number of my files even though their permissions were fine. So, I'm still running it as root. It's a good thing that I have no one else here who knows gnu/linux, or I would have a big security whole in my apartment. As it is, I hope that no one from the outside world is able to crash and exploit the program to gain access to the console on which it runs. If it could be exploited, then I guess I'm screwed. > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 04:32:42PM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > Hear's my problem. I created the account.txt and shares.txt like the > > > > readme file said to. I put the directory that I want downloaded files to > > > > go to as the first line, and then listed the rest of the directories that > > > > I wanted to share after that. The problem is this, when I run the program > > > > it says that I'm sharing 0 files. what am I doing wrong? I should be > > > > sharing some 500 files:p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: audio galaxy audio galaxy Deedra Waters ` Gregory Nowak @ ` randy turner ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup hi, the way that i understand it is you have an incomming directory and an outgoing directory your shares.txt should be something like this /incomming /outgoing the way that i understand it you can only have only one incomming directory and only one outgoing directory. randy On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Deedra Waters wrote: > Hear's my problem. I created the account.txt and shares.txt like the > readme file said to. I put the directory that I want downloaded files to > go to as the first line, and then listed the rest of the directories that > I wanted to share after that. The problem is this, when I run the program > it says that I'm sharing 0 files. what am I doing wrong? I should be > sharing some 500 files:p > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: audio galaxy ` randy turner @ ` Gregory Nowak ` randy turner 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I've got only one directory for both. I didn't see this in their docs. Where did you get this understanding? Greg On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 05:38:35PM -0600, randy turner wrote: > > > hi, > the way that i understand it is > you have an incomming directory > and an outgoing directory > your shares.txt should be something like this > /incomming > /outgoing > the way that i understand it you can only have > only one incomming directory and only one outgoing directory. > randy > > > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Deedra Waters wrote: > > > Hear's my problem. I created the account.txt and shares.txt like the > > readme file said to. I put the directory that I want downloaded files to > > go to as the first line, and then listed the rest of the directories that > > I wanted to share after that. The problem is this, when I run the program > > it says that I'm sharing 0 files. what am I doing wrong? I should be > > sharing some 500 files:p > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: audio galaxy ` Gregory Nowak @ ` randy turner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: randy turner @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup hi greg, i might have misunderstood the readme file thanks randy On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > I've got only one directory for both. I didn't see this in their docs. Where did you get this understanding? > Greg > > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 05:38:35PM -0600, randy turner wrote: > > > > > > hi, > > the way that i understand it is > > you have an incomming directory > > and an outgoing directory > > your shares.txt should be something like this > > /incomming > > /outgoing > > the way that i understand it you can only have > > only one incomming directory and only one outgoing directory. > > randy > > > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Deedra Waters wrote: > > > > > Hear's my problem. I created the account.txt and shares.txt like the > > > readme file said to. I put the directory that I want downloaded files to > > > go to as the first line, and then listed the rest of the directories that > > > I wanted to share after that. The problem is this, when I run the program > > > it says that I'm sharing 0 files. what am I doing wrong? I should be > > > sharing some 500 files:p > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Audio Galaxy @ Michael 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Michael @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 262 bytes --] Greg: The problem I had with Audio Galaxy was copy write and the available tunes I could get. I also expected that I could choose different band widths I could download from. Similar to Napster. Maybe you can set me straight! <grin> Michael [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 861 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Andy.vcf --] [-- Type: application/octet-stream, Size: 107 bytes --] BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:;Andy FN:Andy EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:ashorn@epix.net REV:20020128T023040Z END:VCARD ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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