curious

curious

[Deedra Waters]

I've noticed that when I play mp3s and read text in another window it
tends to make the mp3 sound distort, does anyone know what could be
causing this? because if I disable speakup and let it continu with
incomming text it  doesn't distort the sound. I only get the distortion
with speakup running, any ideas?

Re: curious

[Jason]

that could be any number of things, what's your processor speed, physical 
RAM, and kernel version number?

> I've noticed that when I play mp3s and read text in another window it
> tends to make the mp3 sound distort, does anyone know what could be
> causing this? because if I disable speakup and let it continu with
> incomming text it  doesn't distort the sound. I only get the distortion
> with speakup running, any ideas?

Re: curious

[Gregory Nowak]

I've noticed this problem while using the kernel sound drivers.
However, it disappears when alsa is used.
Greg


On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 05:44:05PM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote:
> I've noticed that when I play mp3s and read text in another window it
> tends to make the mp3 sound distort, does anyone know what could be
> causing this? because if I disable speakup and let it continu with
> incomming text it  doesn't distort the sound. I only get the distortion
> with speakup running, any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: curious

[Deedra Waters]

it's a p4 1300 mhz with 128 megs of ram.....

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Jason wrote:

> that could be any number of things, what's your processor speed, physical 
> RAM, and kernel version number?
> 
> > I've noticed that when I play mp3s and read text in another window it
> > tends to make the mp3 sound distort, does anyone know what could be
> > causing this? because if I disable speakup and let it continu with
> > incomming text it  doesn't distort the sound. I only get the distortion
> > with speakup running, any ideas?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: curious

[Deedra Waters]

ponders.... I've seen a lot about alsa on hear.... is there anyone that
can give me a general idea of what it is how well it works with speakup,
and how well it works with debian and how it works in general?

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> I've noticed this problem while using the kernel sound drivers.
> However, it disappears when alsa is used.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 05:44:05PM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote:
> > I've noticed that when I play mp3s and read text in another window it
> > tends to make the mp3 sound distort, does anyone know what could be
> > causing this? because if I disable speakup and let it continu with
> > incomming text it  doesn't distort the sound. I only get the distortion
> > with speakup running, any ideas?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: curious

[Jason]

well as far as "in general" goes, it works wonderfully, it's not as easy to 
install as the kernel based drivers however.

basically as far as I can tell, there is a marginal improvement in sound 
quality over OSS and the Windows sound system when using ALSA.

On Monday November 05, 2001 10:50 pm, you wrote:
> ponders.... I've seen a lot about alsa on hear.... is there anyone that
> can give me a general idea of what it is how well it works with speakup,
> and how well it works with debian and how it works in general?
>
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > I've noticed this problem while using the kernel sound drivers.
> > However, it disappears when alsa is used.
> > Greg

Re: curious

[Shaun Oliver]

it's definitely a timing problem.
compile the alsa modules and you won't have a problem.
I've never looked back.
I have here a pentium 200 with 128Mb ram and it seems to fly quite
nicely.

hth

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001,
Deedra Waters wrote:

> it's a p4 1300 mhz with 128 megs of ram.....
> 
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Jason wrote:
> 
> > that could be any number of things, what's your processor speed, physical 
> > RAM, and kernel version number?
> > 
> > > I've noticed that when I play mp3s and read text in another window it
> > > tends to make the mp3 sound distort, does anyone know what could be
> > > causing this? because if I disable speakup and let it continu with
> > > incomming text it  doesn't distort the sound. I only get the distortion
> > > with speakup running, any ideas?
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
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to discuss it with our staff."
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Re: curious

[Frank Carmickle]

Hi Deedra

What synth are you using?  I'm gonna guess it's a dec express?  Yes you
guys are some what on to this as a kernel audio driver problem.  It
probably will go away with 0.5.11 alsa but it's probably going to reappear
when you move to 0.9 alsa.  That is unless you make the buffer sizes large
enough.  It is generally the case with mp3 players to have a large buffer
size.  You may notice that you will need to pass aplay the flags to open
the audio hardware with a larger buffer size.

What's happening here is that speakup needs to use the processor to send
it's data to the serial port for your synth.  If your reading your
probably sending 50ms worth of stuff sleeping for 500ms and waking up
again to do the process all over.  When you only have a few ms worth of
audio buffered this is gonna run out quickly.  

Most of the time no body really cares if there audio takes 100 ms longer
to start and stop playing so it isn't a problem.  Most of us really enjoy
having a kernel based screen review package so what do you do.  If you
really need lowish latency your going to either have to get a machine with
more then 1 cpu or get a second machine to use as a terminal just to run
speakup on.  But like I said most folks will never need this.  Only those
of us who want to use a low latency audio recording and editing
environment will need this.  

The linux audio development folks have been working hard on pushing the
alsa and kernel folks to make linux a viable low latency operating system
for audio.  There doing a good job with it.  Right now it is required to
patch the kernel with Andrew Morton's lowish latency patches.  There is
also a preemptive patch that gets similar results which uses a totally
different principle to achieve the results.  Uncle Linus doesn't really
like any of the offered solutions thus far.  Let's hope that they get this
stuff hammered out during the 2.5 tree so we can have alsa and low
latency kernels when 2.6 is released.

To whom ever it was that wrote about timings your sort of missing the
point.  You can sit there and stare at the rtc til the cows come home.  
But if they took your cpu away from you for 50ms what are you going to do?

-- 
     Frank Carmickle
phone:     412 761-9568
email:     frankiec@dryrose.com

Re: curious

[Gregory Nowak]

Alsa or the advanced Linux sound architecture project is an alternative
to the kernel sound drivers.
It works very well with speakup and all Linux distributions.
Greg


On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:50:10AM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote:
> ponders.... I've seen a lot about alsa on hear.... is there anyone that
> can give me a general idea of what it is how well it works with speakup,
> and how well it works with debian and how it works in general?
> 
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > I've noticed this problem while using the kernel sound drivers.
> > However, it disappears when alsa is used.
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 05:44:05PM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote:
> > > I've noticed that when I play mp3s and read text in another window it
> > > tends to make the mp3 sound distort, does anyone know what could be
> > > causing this? because if I disable speakup and let it continu with
> > > incomming text it  doesn't distort the sound. I only get the distortion
> > > with speakup running, any ideas?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: curious

[Glenn Ervin at Home]

As far as the CD & DVD drives, you might try switching which one is jumpered
as master, and visa versa to the slave.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kyrath. (AKA Rob)" <kyrath@cox.net>
To: "Speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:17 PM
Subject: curious


Hi, I've finally have obtained everything I need to install slackware 9.1,
at least I think so.
However, I'm curious as to why my harddrive is being assigned hdb instead of
hda.
In addition, linux, and windows for that matter, are unable to detect my HP
cd-rw drive if the Matshita dvd drive is connected.  Does anyone have any
idea
of why the Matshita and HP won't get along on the same ide cable?  I suppose
that I could connect one the cd drives with the harddrive, but that would
require purchasing a new cable.  The one that connects the harddrive is too
short to reach the cd drives.
-- Rob
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Re: curious

[Alex Snow]

true. this is especially noticeable when copying a cd when both the 
cdrom and the burner are on the same ide controler.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 
at 04:30:43PM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> If you're going to use 2 of those drives at the same time put them on
> seperate ide cables.  A hard drive and cd berner  will perform better if on
> seperate cables.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: curious
> 
> 
> > check the jumpers.
> > the hard drive which I assume is on the first ide controler (ide0)
> > should be set to master.  The 2 other drives which I assume are on ide1
> > should be set to slave and master, with one being master and the other
> > being slave.
> >  On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 05:17:01PM -0500,
> > Kyrath. (AKA Rob) wrote:
> > > Hi, I've finally have obtained everything I need to install slackware
> 9.1, at least I think so.
> > > However, I'm curious as to why my harddrive is being assigned hdb
> instead of hda.
> > > In addition, linux, and windows for that matter, are unable to detect my
> HP cd-rw drive if the Matshita dvd drive is connected.  Does anyone have any
> idea
> > > of why the Matshita and HP won't get along on the same ide cable?  I
> suppose that I could connect one the cd drives with the harddrive, but that
> would
> > > require purchasing a new cable.  The one that connects the harddrive is
> too short to reach the cd drives.
> > > -- Rob
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > -- 
> > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > back.
> >
> >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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back.

Re: curious

[Sean McMahon]

If you're going to use 2 of those drives at the same time put them on
seperate ide cables.  A hard drive and cd berner  will perform better if on
seperate cables.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: curious


> check the jumpers.
> the hard drive which I assume is on the first ide controler (ide0)
> should be set to master.  The 2 other drives which I assume are on ide1
> should be set to slave and master, with one being master and the other
> being slave.
>  On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 05:17:01PM -0500,
> Kyrath. (AKA Rob) wrote:
> > Hi, I've finally have obtained everything I need to install slackware
9.1, at least I think so.
> > However, I'm curious as to why my harddrive is being assigned hdb
instead of hda.
> > In addition, linux, and windows for that matter, are unable to detect my
HP cd-rw drive if the Matshita dvd drive is connected.  Does anyone have any
idea
> > of why the Matshita and HP won't get along on the same ide cable?  I
suppose that I could connect one the cd drives with the harddrive, but that
would
> > require purchasing a new cable.  The one that connects the harddrive is
too short to reach the cd drives.
> > -- Rob
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> -- 
> Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> back.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: curious

[Alex Snow]

check the jumpers.
the hard drive which I assume is on the first ide controler (ide0) 
should be set to master.  The 2 other drives which I assume are on ide1 
should be set to slave and master, with one being master and the other 
being slave.
 On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 05:17:01PM -0500, 
Kyrath. (AKA Rob) wrote:
> Hi, I've finally have obtained everything I need to install slackware 9.1, at least I think so.
> However, I'm curious as to why my harddrive is being assigned hdb instead of hda.
> In addition, linux, and windows for that matter, are unable to detect my HP cd-rw drive if the Matshita dvd drive is connected.  Does anyone have any idea
> of why the Matshita and HP won't get along on the same ide cable?  I suppose that I could connect one the cd drives with the harddrive, but that would
> require purchasing a new cable.  The one that connects the harddrive is too short to reach the cd drives.
> -- Rob
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
back.

Re: curious

[Gregory Nowak]

Sounds to me like you need to go back and recheck your jumper settings
in respect to both your hd question and to the cd drives.

Greg


On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 05:17:01PM -0500, Kyrath. (AKA Rob) wrote:
> Hi, I've finally have obtained everything I need to install slackware 9.1, at least I think so.
> However, I'm curious as to why my harddrive is being assigned hdb instead of hda.
> In addition, linux, and windows for that matter, are unable to detect my HP cd-rw drive if the Matshita dvd drive is connected.  Does anyone have any idea
> of why the Matshita and HP won't get along on the same ide cable?  I suppose that I could connect one the cd drives with the harddrive, but that would
> require purchasing a new cable.  The one that connects the harddrive is too short to reach the cd drives.
> -- Rob
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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curious

[Kyrath. (AKA Rob)]

Hi, I've finally have obtained everything I need to install slackware 9.1, at least I think so.
However, I'm curious as to why my harddrive is being assigned hdb instead of hda.
In addition, linux, and windows for that matter, are unable to detect my HP cd-rw drive if the Matshita dvd drive is connected.  Does anyone have any idea
of why the Matshita and HP won't get along on the same ide cable?  I suppose that I could connect one the cd drives with the harddrive, but that would
require purchasing a new cable.  The one that connects the harddrive is too short to reach the cd drives.
-- Rob