Installing Debian with Espeakup

Installing Debian with Espeakup

[Alonzo Cuellar]

Hello,
My brother wanted me to try Debian on his laptop. The installer boots and I 
press "s" for software speech. The installer brings up a text installer, 
but no speech. I tried this on a DVD image of Jessie and a net install of 
testing. The net install of testing was yesterday's image. My question is 
how can you choose card 1 so I can hear Espeakup? You'd have to setup 
/etc/asond.conf, but does the Debian installer have a way of doing this? Or 
can I immidiately activate it some how with amixer?

Alonzo

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Re: Installing Debian with Espeakup

[Samuel Thibault]

Hello,

Alonzo Cuellar, on Mon 04 Jan 2016 03:19:37 -0600, wrote:
> My question is how can you choose card 1 so I can hear Espeakup?

Mmm, that's an expected issue.  We have not implemented anything about
that.

> You'd have to setup /etc/asond.conf,

Or just setting an ALSA_CARD environment variable.

The question is rather: how to let the user request that?  I don't think
adding another boot menu item would be nice.  Adding a shortcut after
boot is not really straightforward, and the user would still have to
know that there are several sound cards and that the shortcut should
be used to switch between cards. Making espeakup always talk on each
and every device is not really an option either. Maybe we could make
the installer, when several cards are detected, talk "To use this sound
card, press 0" on card 0, then talk "To use this sound card, press 1" on
card 1, etc., what do people think?

Samuel

RE: Installing Debian with Espeakup

[Marcel Oats]

Hi, perhaps your suggestion of offering a menu of cards, "to speak on this card, press 0" and so forth would work.
Of course then you may come across the odd issue of when a card is simply not detected, though how often does that happen?

Also, we could go back to the idea that is on the Arch live CD/USB, of having a recorded prompt played on all cards simultaneously, and the user is able to press enter when they hear a beep on the card they wish to use.

Marcel


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Subject: Re: Installing Debian with Espeakup

Hello,

Alonzo Cuellar, on Mon 04 Jan 2016 03:19:37 -0600, wrote:
> My question is how can you choose card 1 so I can hear Espeakup?

Mmm, that's an expected issue.  We have not implemented anything about that.

> You'd have to setup /etc/asond.conf,

Or just setting an ALSA_CARD environment variable.

The question is rather: how to let the user request that?  I don't think adding another boot menu item would be nice.  Adding a shortcut after boot is not really straightforward, and the user would still have to know that there are several sound cards and that the shortcut should be used to switch between cards. Making espeakup always talk on each and every device is not really an option either. Maybe we could make the installer, when several cards are detected, talk "To use this sound card, press 0" on card 0, then talk "To use this sound card, press 1" on card 1, etc., what do people think?

Samuel
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Re: Installing Debian with Espeakup

[Al Sten-Clanton]

""Maybe we could make
the installer, when several cards are detected, talk "To use this sound
card, press 0" on card 0, then talk "To use this sound card, press 1" on
card 1, etc., what do people think?"

That sounds like a good idea.  I think the Arch DVD does something like 
that when there's more than one sound card.

Al

On 1/14/2016 7:03 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Alonzo Cuellar, on Mon 04 Jan 2016 03:19:37 -0600, wrote:
>> My question is how can you choose card 1 so I can hear Espeakup?
>
> Mmm, that's an expected issue.  We have not implemented anything about
> that.
>
>> You'd have to setup /etc/asond.conf,
>
> Or just setting an ALSA_CARD environment variable.
>
> The question is rather: how to let the user request that?  I don't think
> adding another boot menu item would be nice.  Adding a shortcut after
> boot is not really straightforward, and the user would still have to
> know that there are several sound cards and that the shortcut should
> be used to switch between cards. Making espeakup always talk on each
> and every device is not really an option either. Maybe we could make
> the installer, when several cards are detected, talk "To use this sound
> card, press 0" on card 0, then talk "To use this sound card, press 1" on
> card 1, etc., what do people think?
>
> Samuel
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Re: Installing Debian with Espeakup

[Gregory Nowak]

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 01:03:08AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Maybe we could make
> the installer, when several cards are detected, talk "To use this sound
> card, press 0" on card 0, then talk "To use this sound card, press 1" on
> card 1, etc., what do people think?

Sounds good to me.

Greg


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Re: Installing Debian with Espeakup

[Alonzo cuellar]

Hi,
this sounds good to me.
I had wanted to try debian on a recent computer of mine. However, I 
wasn't able to since i was unable to select the sound card to install 
with espeakup. If this can be implemented it would help since most 
computers now a days have the first device for hdmi/spdif input and the 
second device (card 1) is the computers internal sound card.

Alonzo


On 01/14/2016 10:42 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 01:03:08AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> Maybe we could make
>> the installer, when several cards are detected, talk "To use this sound
>> card, press 0" on card 0, then talk "To use this sound card, press 1" on
>> card 1, etc., what do people think?
> Sounds good to me.
>
> Greg
>
>

Re: Installing Debian with Espeakup

[Jude DaShiell]

http://talkingarch.tk/ handles the problem this way.  First after enough 
software boots to do it, a sound card quantity test is done.  If the 
number is more than 1, a dialog comes up where a user gets told all 
sound cards are being tested and when the user hears a beep on the 
desired sound card they have 10 seconds to hit a key to select that 
card.  If no choice is made, then the first available sound card gets 
used by default.  What I need to do with talkingarch is to test this 
with a very good pair of usb speakers I have and install talkingarch 
that way and then see if udev overrides my choice on first boot after 
that.

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 19:03:08
> From: Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>
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>     <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: Installing Debian with Espeakup
> 
> Hello,
>
> Alonzo Cuellar, on Mon 04 Jan 2016 03:19:37 -0600, wrote:
>> My question is how can you choose card 1 so I can hear Espeakup?
>
> Mmm, that's an expected issue.  We have not implemented anything about
> that.
>
>> You'd have to setup /etc/asond.conf,
>
> Or just setting an ALSA_CARD environment variable.
>
> The question is rather: how to let the user request that?  I don't think
> adding another boot menu item would be nice.  Adding a shortcut after
> boot is not really straightforward, and the user would still have to
> know that there are several sound cards and that the shortcut should
> be used to switch between cards. Making espeakup always talk on each
> and every device is not really an option either. Maybe we could make
> the installer, when several cards are detected, talk "To use this sound
> card, press 0" on card 0, then talk "To use this sound card, press 1" on
> card 1, etc., what do people think?
>
> Samuel
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Re: Installing Debian with Espeakup

[Glenn]

I think that sounds like a great add-in for the sound card selection.
I would add that I think it would be better to start with the number one, 
since that is usually the easiest place to start on the number row.
Also, you could offer zero to repeat the choices, in case someone missed the 
choices.
Glenn
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Hi,
this sounds good to me.
I had wanted to try debian on a recent computer of mine. However, I
wasn't able to since i was unable to select the sound card to install
with espeakup. If this can be implemented it would help since most
computers now a days have the first device for hdmi/spdif input and the
second device (card 1) is the computers internal sound card.

Alonzo


On 01/14/2016 10:42 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 01:03:08AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> Maybe we could make
>> the installer, when several cards are detected, talk "To use this sound
>> card, press 0" on card 0, then talk "To use this sound card, press 1" on
>> card 1, etc., what do people think?
> Sounds good to me.
>
> Greg
>
>

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