Re: Linux virtualization

Re: Linux virtualization

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 07:13:36PM -0700, Shane W wrote:
> I am playing with VirtualBox at present but I have never
> used X so don't know the basic hotkeys like how to start an
> app full-screen,

In the case of virtualbox, you'd switch between full screen and a
minimized window by using hostkey+f. I think you could set a virtual
machine to start by default in full screen mode, but I haven't played
with that much. The hostkey is your right control key by  default, but
that can be changed.

> how to get vbox to capture keyboard input

To do that, you press and release the hostkey. Same thing to go back
to the host system.

> etc. I assume the GUI won't talk so using the VBoxManage
> command is the way to go.

Yes, the gui won't talk in orca at this time. If using an rdp client
is an option for you, you might consider starting the guest with
vboxheadless, and interacting with the guest through virtualbox's
built-in rdp server.

> So just wonder what works and what doesn't with Jaws and
> video intercept.

I've used wineyes, and nvda on winxp guests in vbox with no problem.

> Whatever solution I go with, it does need
> to be pretty complete. I use Apps like Skype, Kurzweil,
> Quickbooks etc, plug in random usb devices like
> flashdrives, headsets etc and would want those things to
> just do the right thing in Windows.

All of that should work for you in a vbox guest.

> Do people think
> virtualization could work or is dedicated hardware still
> the way to go?

I think virtualization could work, as long as you have modern hardware
with a fast enough cpu, enough ram, and a big enough hd.

Greg


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Re: Linux virtualization

[trev.saunders]

Hi,

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> On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 07:13:36PM -0700, Shane W wrote:
> > I am playing with VirtualBox at present but I have never
> > used X so don't know the basic hotkeys like how to start an
> > app full-screen,
> 
> In the case of virtualbox, you'd switch between full screen and a
> minimized window by using hostkey+f. I think you could set a virtual
> machine to start by default in full screen mode, but I haven't played
> with that much. The hostkey is your right control key by  default, but
> that can be changed.
> 
> > how to get vbox to capture keyboard input
> 
> To do that, you press and release the hostkey. Same thing to go back
> to the host system.
> 
> > etc. I assume the GUI won't talk so using the VBoxManage
> > command is the way to go.
> 
> Yes, the gui won't talk in orca at this time. If using an rdp client
> is an option for you, you might consider starting the guest with
> vboxheadless, and interacting with the guest through virtualbox's
> built-in rdp server.

you could try vboxgtk if you need a gui.  how have you gotten sound forwarding to work with rdesktop?  I've never managed that, I know there is an option for it, but never seen it work.

> 
> > So just wonder what works and what doesn't with Jaws and
> > video intercept.
> 
> I've used wineyes, and nvda on winxp guests in vbox with no problem.

I've seen nvda work in qemu fine, that's all I've tried with windows to date.

> 
> > Whatever solution I go with, it does need
> > to be pretty complete. I use Apps like Skype, Kurzweil,
> > Quickbooks etc, plug in random usb devices like
> > flashdrives, headsets etc and would want those things to
> > just do the right thing in Windows.

all the apps should be fine you just have to setup networking.  as for usb stuff I believe you'll have to tell vbox to pass them through to the guest, which I've never done.

> 
> All of that should work for you in a vbox guest.

I believe it should all work in kvm if you prefer that.

> 
> > Do people think
> > virtualization could work or is dedicated hardware still
> > the way to go?
> 
> I think virtualization could work, as long as you have modern hardware
> with a fast enough cpu, enough ram, and a big enough hd.

It'll probably take more configuration than dedocated hardware, but should work.

Trev

Re: Linux virtualization

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 12:08:11AM -0400, trev.saunders@gmail.com wrote:
> you could try vboxgtk if you need a gui.

Interesting, I'll take a look at it. Maybe I'll actually consider
running vbox on a gnu/linux host too in that case.

>  how have you gotten sound forwarding to work with rdesktop?  I've never managed that, I know there is an option for it, but never seen it work.

Can't speak for rdesktop, I've only done rdp from within windows. I
mentioned a rdp client, because I assumed that rdesktop can do what
the windows rdp client can. If that's not the case as far as sound
goes, then that may not be an option.

> all the apps should be fine you just have to setup networking.  as for usb stuff I believe you'll have to tell vbox to pass them through to the guest, which I've never done.

So far all the usb devices I tried passing through to a vbox guest
came through. I did see reports now and again from users saying that
this or that usb device doesn't get passed through, but those are rare
it seems.

> I believe it should all work in kvm if you prefer that.

It should as far as I know, but I don't have new enough hardware to
run kvm on, so can't vouch for it.

Greg


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Re: Linux virtualization

[Kristoffer Gustafsson]

Hi.
I'm planning to use qemu now I think.
Because I've read a lot of how to set it up, and you can do almost 
everything in text mode. Specifiyng sound options, create a system imageetc.
What is the best solution? qemu or virtualbox?
Also, do you know if there is a way of editing files in an iso-file?
I'm planning to do an unattended xp install, and need to put my winnt.sif 
file on the cd.
/Kristoffer
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Subject: Re: Linux virtualization


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> On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 12:08:11AM -0400, trev.saunders@gmail.com wrote:
>> you could try vboxgtk if you need a gui.
>
> Interesting, I'll take a look at it. Maybe I'll actually consider
> running vbox on a gnu/linux host too in that case.
>
>>  how have you gotten sound forwarding to work with rdesktop?  I've never 
>> managed that, I know there is an option for it, but never seen it work.
>
> Can't speak for rdesktop, I've only done rdp from within windows. I
> mentioned a rdp client, because I assumed that rdesktop can do what
> the windows rdp client can. If that's not the case as far as sound
> goes, then that may not be an option.
>
>> all the apps should be fine you just have to setup networking.  as for 
>> usb stuff I believe you'll have to tell vbox to pass them through to the 
>> guest, which I've never done.
>
> So far all the usb devices I tried passing through to a vbox guest
> came through. I did see reports now and again from users saying that
> this or that usb device doesn't get passed through, but those are rare
> it seems.
>
>> I believe it should all work in kvm if you prefer that.
>
> It should as far as I know, but I don't have new enough hardware to
> run kvm on, so can't vouch for it.
>
> Greg
>
>
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Re: Linux virtualization

[Kristoffer Gustafsson]

HI
I've tried qemu, got the error cannot initialize sdl.
what is this?
/Kristoffer
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Subject: Re: Linux virtualization


> Hi.
> I'm planning to use qemu now I think.
> Because I've read a lot of how to set it up, and you can do almost 
> everything in text mode. Specifiyng sound options, create a system 
> imageetc.
> What is the best solution? qemu or virtualbox?
> Also, do you know if there is a way of editing files in an iso-file?
> I'm planning to do an unattended xp install, and need to put my winnt.sif 
> file on the cd.
> /Kristoffer
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> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Linux virtualization
>
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>> On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 12:08:11AM -0400, trev.saunders@gmail.com wrote:
>>> you could try vboxgtk if you need a gui.
>>
>> Interesting, I'll take a look at it. Maybe I'll actually consider
>> running vbox on a gnu/linux host too in that case.
>>
>>>  how have you gotten sound forwarding to work with rdesktop?  I've never 
>>> managed that, I know there is an option for it, but never seen it work.
>>
>> Can't speak for rdesktop, I've only done rdp from within windows. I
>> mentioned a rdp client, because I assumed that rdesktop can do what
>> the windows rdp client can. If that's not the case as far as sound
>> goes, then that may not be an option.
>>
>>> all the apps should be fine you just have to setup networking.  as for 
>>> usb stuff I believe you'll have to tell vbox to pass them through to the 
>>> guest, which I've never done.
>>
>> So far all the usb devices I tried passing through to a vbox guest
>> came through. I did see reports now and again from users saying that
>> this or that usb device doesn't get passed through, but those are rare
>> it seems.
>>
>>> I believe it should all work in kvm if you prefer that.
>>
>> It should as far as I know, but I don't have new enough hardware to
>> run kvm on, so can't vouch for it.
>>
>> Greg
>>
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Re: Linux virtualization

[trev.saunders]

HI,

if you don't want the gui you have to pass -curses to qemu / kvm.

Trev

Re: Linux virtualization

[trev.saunders]

Hi,

> >  how have you gotten sound forwarding to work with rdesktop?  I've never managed that, I know there is an option for it, bu
> t never seen it work.
> 
> Can't speak for rdesktop, I've only done rdp from within windows. I
> mentioned a rdp client, because I assumed that rdesktop can do what
> the windows rdp client can. If that's not the case as far as sound
> goes, then that may not be an option.

Wel, it claims it can I think I saw a post on ubuntu list somewhere that implied people had it working.  Its just that I've never personally seen it work.  You could also use vbox to produce sound from the vm on the physical hardware if that's acceptable.


Trev

Re: Linux virtualization

[Kristoffer Gustafsson]

Hi.
Yeah, it is exactly what I want to do. Because I want to use my soundlbaster 
audigy 2zs in my virtual machine too.
I thought that if I set this up, I can use that to play games without 
needing to rebott into xp every time.
/Kristoffer
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> Hi,
>
>> >  how have you gotten sound forwarding to work with rdesktop?  I've 
>> > never managed that, I know there is an option for it, bu
>> t never seen it work.
>>
>> Can't speak for rdesktop, I've only done rdp from within windows. I
>> mentioned a rdp client, because I assumed that rdesktop can do what
>> the windows rdp client can. If that's not the case as far as sound
>> goes, then that may not be an option.
>
> Wel, it claims it can I think I saw a post on ubuntu list somewhere that 
> implied people had it working.  Its just that I've never personally seen 
> it work.  You could also use vbox to produce sound from the vm on the 
> physical hardware if that's acceptable.
>
>
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Re: Linux virtualization

[Kristoffer Gustafsson]

Hi.
What good guides are out there for using qemu and doing a virtual machine?
I've used one guide, and Windows just stucks somewhere in the isntallation.
So I have to kill qemu.
When trying to boot the image, I just get the bios, and the mssage "booting 
from hard drive"
/Kristoffer
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> Hi,
>
>> >  how have you gotten sound forwarding to work with rdesktop?  I've 
>> > never managed that, I know there is an option for it, bu
>> t never seen it work.
>>
>> Can't speak for rdesktop, I've only done rdp from within windows. I
>> mentioned a rdp client, because I assumed that rdesktop can do what
>> the windows rdp client can. If that's not the case as far as sound
>> goes, then that may not be an option.
>
> Wel, it claims it can I think I saw a post on ubuntu list somewhere that 
> implied people had it working.  Its just that I've never personally seen 
> it work.  You could also use vbox to produce sound from the vm on the 
> physical hardware if that's acceptable.
>
>
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Re: Linux virtualization

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 09:41:32AM +0200, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:
> Because I've read a lot of how to set it up, and you can do almost  
> everything in text mode. Specifiyng sound options, create a system 
> imageetc.

You can do all of this under virtualbox with vboxmanage too.

> Also, do you know if there is a way of editing files in an iso-file?
> I'm planning to do an unattended xp install, and need to put my winnt.sif 
> file on the cd.

I stand to be corrected, but I think you'd need to remaster the iso to
do that. Why don't you just put your winnt.sif on a virtual floppy?

Greg


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RE: Linux virtualization

[Don Raikes]

Ok, so how do I setup the windows xp client in either kvm or vbox on my debian (Vinux) system?

I really need to have both windows and linux available on my dell latitude d620 laptop.  it is a 64-bit system with a 2.4ghz processor.

Any tips on getting things setup would be appreciated.

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On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 12:08:11AM -0400, trev.saunders@gmail.com wrote:
> you could try vboxgtk if you need a gui.

Interesting, I'll take a look at it. Maybe I'll actually consider
running vbox on a gnu/linux host too in that case.

>  how have you gotten sound forwarding to work with rdesktop?  I've never managed that, I know there is an option for it, but never seen it work.

Can't speak for rdesktop, I've only done rdp from within windows. I
mentioned a rdp client, because I assumed that rdesktop can do what
the windows rdp client can. If that's not the case as far as sound
goes, then that may not be an option.

> all the apps should be fine you just have to setup networking.  as for usb stuff I believe you'll have to tell vbox to pass them through to the guest, which I've never done.

So far all the usb devices I tried passing through to a vbox guest
came through. I did see reports now and again from users saying that
this or that usb device doesn't get passed through, but those are rare
it seems.

> I believe it should all work in kvm if you prefer that.

It should as far as I know, but I don't have new enough hardware to
run kvm on, so can't vouch for it.

Greg


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Re: Linux virtualization

[trev.saunders]

Hi,

Your hardware probably supports hard ware virtualization so you should be able to use kvm.  YOu just need to install qemu-kvm, create a file that will be the windows machines hard drive and install windows in the vm.  The only tricky issue is installing windows, you'll need to do a unatended install unless you can do it visually (thanks Microsoft).
btw if you are running stable I believe you would be well advised to install a 2.6.32 kernel from backports, note I've always been running testing on the relavent machine.

HTH
Trev

RE: Linux virtualization

[Don Raikes]

Thanks,  I will need to look at the unattended method of installing xp.  I know I have seen it in the past, but have to do a little research to figure it out again.

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Hi,

Your hardware probably supports hard ware virtualization so you should be able to use kvm.  YOu just need to install qemu-kvm, create a file that will be the windows machines hard drive and install windows in the vm.  The only tricky issue is installing windows, you'll need to do a unatended install unless you can do it visually (thanks Microsoft).
btw if you are running stable I believe you would be well advised to install a 2.6.32 kernel from backports, note I've always been running testing on the relavent machine.

HTH
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Re: Linux virtualization

[Kristoffer Gustafsson]

Hi.
Well, I updated qemu to the latest version.
then I got to the directory where I have my windows image, and ran:
qemu win.img -soundhw all -localtime -curses
And a surprice came, I heard the xp startup sound.
But a problem is after that, I can't seem to do anything in xp.
For example pressing start button and r to bring up the run box doesn't give 
any result.
Because when typing a ltter, and pressing enter in tat box, you get a sound 
telling you that there is no such thing there.
also, when pressing allt f4, I'm getting back to a linux login screen.
It shouldn't be like that.
I'hve tested with the -full-screen option.
What can be wrong now?
/Kristoffer
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Subject: RE: Linux virtualization


> Thanks,  I will need to look at the unattended method of installing xp.  I 
> know I have seen it in the past, but have to do a little research to 
> figure it out again.
>
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> Subject: Re: Linux virtualization
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Your hardware probably supports hard ware virtualization so you should be 
> able to use kvm.  YOu just need to install qemu-kvm, create a file that 
> will be the windows machines hard drive and install windows in the vm. 
> The only tricky issue is installing windows, you'll need to do a unatended 
> install unless you can do it visually (thanks Microsoft).
> btw if you are running stable I believe you would be well advised to 
> install a 2.6.32 kernel from backports, note I've always been running 
> testing on the relavent machine.
>
> HTH
> Trev
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Re: Linux virtualization

[trev.saunders]

HI,

not really sure, windows might not like whats going on with the graphics card when you pass -curses?  I'd suggust running qemu in x as a gui without the -curses option.  When I ran kvm as a gui with windows server 2008 it worked fine.

Trev

Re: Linux virtualization

[Kristoffer Gustafsson]

Hi.
Well, how shall I run it?
I typed the same commands in gnome, but I got a very very long of strange 
errors, and it didn't work.
/Kristoffer
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> HI,
>
> not really sure, windows might not like whats going on with the graphics 
> card when you pass -curses?  I'd suggust running qemu in x as a gui 
> without the -curses option.  When I ran kvm as a gui with windows server 
> 2008 it worked fine.
>
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Re: Linux virtualization

[trev.saunders]

Hi,

don't really know without seeing the error.  My first gues would be that sdl a graphics and stuff library isn't installed, but not really sure,that should have been pulled in as a dependancy.

Trev

Re: Linux virtualization

[Kristoffer Gustafsson]

Hi.
Ok, what packages shall I install to get sdl?
/Kristoffer
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> Hi,
>
> don't really know without seeing the error.  My first gues would be that 
> sdl a graphics and stuff library isn't installed, but not really sure,that 
> should have been pulled in as a dependancy.
>
> Trev
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