WARNING: Latest Linphone on Arch breaks device access

WARNING: Latest Linphone on Arch breaks device access

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, All:

If you use Linphone on Arch, beware. The latest release built 31 August
introduced what for me is a showstopper bug. I'm referring to
Linphone-3.10.2-1.

It is no longer possible to specify which audio device Linphone should
use.  Here's the relevant bit of configuration from my older
.linphonerc:

[sound]
ringer_dev_id=ALSA: Sennheiser USB Headset
playback_dev_id=ALSA: Sennheiser USB Headset
capture_dev_id=ALSA: Sennheiser USB Headset

This device is still present and working on the system:
aplay -l |grep card
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC892 Analog [ALC892 Analog]
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 1: ALC892 Digital [ALC892 Digital]
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
card 1: Device [C-Media USB Audio Device], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
card 2: Headset [Sennheiser USB Headset], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
card 3: AV710 [Chaintech AV-710], device 0: ICE1724 [ICE1724]
card 3: AV710 [Chaintech AV-710], device 1: ICE1724 IEC958 [ICE1724 IEC958]
card 3: AV710 [Chaintech AV-710], device 2: ICE1724 Surrounds [ICE1724 Surround PCM]
card 4: DSP [Hammerfall DSP], device 0: RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface [RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface]

However, linphone no longer sees it:
soundcard list
0: PulseAudio: Built-in Audio
1: ALSA: default device
linphonec>

So, I'm investigating workarounds because I depend on linphone for my
standards work--lots of teleconferences. Meanwhile, I do believe it's my
duty to report this development as I've now seen exactly this same
problem on two separate Arch machines.

Caveat emptor.

Janina

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Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
		Email:	janina@rednote.net

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
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Re: WARNING: Latest Linphone on Arch breaks device access

[Chris Brannon]

Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes:

> Hi, All:
>
> If you use Linphone on Arch, beware. The latest release built 31 August
> introduced what for me is a showstopper bug. I'm referring to
> Linphone-3.10.2-1.

Hi Janina,
I think I might have a solution for you.
The only reason this will work is that you are using the headset for all
three functions: ringer, playback, and capture.  If you needed something
fancier, this falls flat.
You can set a specific default card for a given application using the
ALSA_CARD environment variable.
For instance,
ALSA_CARD=Headset espeak 'Hello there.'
should cause espeak to speak the string through your headset.
So try setting ALSA_CARD when starting linphone.

Now there's another problem in that Linphone seems to want to use
pulseaudio for the default sound output.  Can't help you with that one.
Maybe the config file would at least let you specify alsa rather than
pulse?

-- Chris

Re: WARNING: Latest Linphone on Arch breaks device access

[Janina Sajka]

It was a great suggestion, Chris. Unfortunately, it seems there's yet
another bug in how alsa handles usb devices.

I have 2 usb devices. No matter how I specify things, the card that gets
invoked is the first of those two.

Now, if I were really clever, I suppose I'd know how to write udev rules
to insure that the Sennheiser gets a lower card ID than the C-Media
device. This really should be an exact science, but my experience says
it's anything but.

Sigh.

Janina

Chris Brannon writes:
> Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes:
> 
> > Hi, All:
> >
> > If you use Linphone on Arch, beware. The latest release built 31 August
> > introduced what for me is a showstopper bug. I'm referring to
> > Linphone-3.10.2-1.
> 
> Hi Janina,
> I think I might have a solution for you.
> The only reason this will work is that you are using the headset for all
> three functions: ringer, playback, and capture.  If you needed something
> fancier, this falls flat.
> You can set a specific default card for a given application using the
> ALSA_CARD environment variable.
> For instance,
> ALSA_CARD=Headset espeak 'Hello there.'
> should cause espeak to speak the string through your headset.
> So try setting ALSA_CARD when starting linphone.
> 
> Now there's another problem in that Linphone seems to want to use
> pulseaudio for the default sound output.  Can't help you with that one.
> Maybe the config file would at least let you specify alsa rather than
> pulse?
> 
> -- Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
		Email:	janina@rednote.net

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa

Re: WARNING: Latest Linphone on Arch breaks device access

[John Covici]

I think you can use names instead of numbers, maybe a different
variable in your asoundrc.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 13:31:28 -0400,
Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> It was a great suggestion, Chris. Unfortunately, it seems there's yet
> another bug in how alsa handles usb devices.
> 
> I have 2 usb devices. No matter how I specify things, the card that gets
> invoked is the first of those two.
> 
> Now, if I were really clever, I suppose I'd know how to write udev rules
> to insure that the Sennheiser gets a lower card ID than the C-Media
> device. This really should be an exact science, but my experience says
> it's anything but.
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Chris Brannon writes:
> > Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes:
> > 
> > > Hi, All:
> > >
> > > If you use Linphone on Arch, beware. The latest release built 31 August
> > > introduced what for me is a showstopper bug. I'm referring to
> > > Linphone-3.10.2-1.
> > 
> > Hi Janina,
> > I think I might have a solution for you.
> > The only reason this will work is that you are using the headset for all
> > three functions: ringer, playback, and capture.  If you needed something
> > fancier, this falls flat.
> > You can set a specific default card for a given application using the
> > ALSA_CARD environment variable.
> > For instance,
> > ALSA_CARD=Headset espeak 'Hello there.'
> > should cause espeak to speak the string through your headset.
> > So try setting ALSA_CARD when starting linphone.
> > 
> > Now there's another problem in that Linphone seems to want to use
> > pulseaudio for the default sound output.  Can't help you with that one.
> > Maybe the config file would at least let you specify alsa rather than
> > pulse?
> > 
> > -- Chris
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
> 			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> 		Email:	janina@rednote.net
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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How do
you spend it?

         John Covici
         covici@ccs.covici.com

Re: WARNING: Latest Linphone on Arch breaks device access

[Chris Brannon]

Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes:

> It was a great suggestion, Chris. Unfortunately, it seems there's yet
> another bug in how alsa handles usb devices.
>
> I have 2 usb devices. No matter how I specify things, the card that gets
> invoked is the first of those two.

Oh interesting.  So it looks like there's a name clash.
Last time I dealt with multiple USB audio devices, they had unique
human-friendly IDs by default.  My Logitech USB headset was called
Headset, and my FM transmitter was called RocketFM.
Apparently I was just lucky.

Not sure how much you know about alsa, so I'll also mention that
you can see the human friendly IDs by looking for the symlinks in
/proc/asound.  They're also listed in the output of aplay -l, but it's
sort of non-intuitive what they are.

> Now, if I were really clever, I suppose I'd know how to write udev rules
> to insure that the Sennheiser gets a lower card ID than the C-Media
> device.

Well if you send me the output of lsusb, I can probably write some udev rules
for you.  Or alternatively have a look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/Udev for a
starting point.

-- Chris

Re: WARNING: Latest Linphone on Arch breaks device access

[Janina Sajka]

Tried that. No joy.

Actually, names are less reliable than the hw:X (or plughw:X)
designations.

Note this is a problem when there's more than one USB sound device. I've
not seen the problem apart from USB sound.


John Covici writes:
> I think you can use names instead of numbers, maybe a different
> variable in your asoundrc.
> 
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 13:31:28 -0400,
> Janina Sajka wrote:
> > 
> > It was a great suggestion, Chris. Unfortunately, it seems there's yet
> > another bug in how alsa handles usb devices.
> > 
> > I have 2 usb devices. No matter how I specify things, the card that gets
> > invoked is the first of those two.
> > 
> > Now, if I were really clever, I suppose I'd know how to write udev rules
> > to insure that the Sennheiser gets a lower card ID than the C-Media
> > device. This really should be an exact science, but my experience says
> > it's anything but.
> > 
> > Sigh.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Chris Brannon writes:
> > > Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes:
> > > 
> > > > Hi, All:
> > > >
> > > > If you use Linphone on Arch, beware. The latest release built 31 August
> > > > introduced what for me is a showstopper bug. I'm referring to
> > > > Linphone-3.10.2-1.
> > > 
> > > Hi Janina,
> > > I think I might have a solution for you.
> > > The only reason this will work is that you are using the headset for all
> > > three functions: ringer, playback, and capture.  If you needed something
> > > fancier, this falls flat.
> > > You can set a specific default card for a given application using the
> > > ALSA_CARD environment variable.
> > > For instance,
> > > ALSA_CARD=Headset espeak 'Hello there.'
> > > should cause espeak to speak the string through your headset.
> > > So try setting ALSA_CARD when starting linphone.
> > > 
> > > Now there's another problem in that Linphone seems to want to use
> > > pulseaudio for the default sound output.  Can't help you with that one.
> > > Maybe the config file would at least let you specify alsa rather than
> > > pulse?
> > > 
> > > -- Chris
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> > > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
> > 			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> > 		Email:	janina@rednote.net
> > 
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org
> > 
> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> How do
> you spend it?
> 
>          John Covici
>          covici@ccs.covici.com
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Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
		Email:	janina@rednote.net

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa

Re: WARNING: Latest Linphone on Arch breaks device access

[Janina Sajka]

I'll study that doc, but I work best from cribbed examples. So, I'd like
to owe you a pizza and accept your most gracious offer!


Bus 002 Device 034: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter

Bus 002 Device 033: ID 0409:005a NEC Corp. HighSpeed Hub
Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0409:005a NEC Corp. HighSpeed Hub
Bus 002 Device 004: ID 045e:0047 Microsoft Corp. IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0
Bus 002 Device 003: ID 1395:3556 Sennheiser Communications USB Headset
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04b8:0131 Seiko Epson Corp. GT-F720 [GT-S620/Perfection V30/V300 Photo]
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 058f:6366 Alcor Micro Corp. Multi Flash Reader
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

Chris Brannon writes:
> Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes:
> 
> > It was a great suggestion, Chris. Unfortunately, it seems there's yet
> > another bug in how alsa handles usb devices.
> >
> > I have 2 usb devices. No matter how I specify things, the card that gets
> > invoked is the first of those two.
> 
> Oh interesting.  So it looks like there's a name clash.
> Last time I dealt with multiple USB audio devices, they had unique
> human-friendly IDs by default.  My Logitech USB headset was called
> Headset, and my FM transmitter was called RocketFM.
> Apparently I was just lucky.
> 
> Not sure how much you know about alsa, so I'll also mention that
> you can see the human friendly IDs by looking for the symlinks in
> /proc/asound.  They're also listed in the output of aplay -l, but it's
> sort of non-intuitive what they are.
> 
> > Now, if I were really clever, I suppose I'd know how to write udev rules
> > to insure that the Sennheiser gets a lower card ID than the C-Media
> > device.
> 
> Well if you send me the output of lsusb, I can probably write some udev rules
> for you.  Or alternatively have a look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/Udev for a
> starting point.
> 
> -- Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
		Email:	janina@rednote.net

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa

Re: WARNING: Latest Linphone on Arch breaks device access

[Janina Sajka]

Chris:

You've put me on the trail of docs I've looked for and failed to find
forever.

I'm now looking at:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards


If I'm reading this correctly, I should be able to get the results I
need by specifying a vendor and product id to order my two usb cards
like I want them ordered.

Very cool. Hope it works!

Janina


Chris Brannon writes:
> Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes:
> 
> > It was a great suggestion, Chris. Unfortunately, it seems there's yet
> > another bug in how alsa handles usb devices.
> >
> > I have 2 usb devices. No matter how I specify things, the card that gets
> > invoked is the first of those two.
> 
> Oh interesting.  So it looks like there's a name clash.
> Last time I dealt with multiple USB audio devices, they had unique
> human-friendly IDs by default.  My Logitech USB headset was called
> Headset, and my FM transmitter was called RocketFM.
> Apparently I was just lucky.
> 
> Not sure how much you know about alsa, so I'll also mention that
> you can see the human friendly IDs by looking for the symlinks in
> /proc/asound.  They're also listed in the output of aplay -l, but it's
> sort of non-intuitive what they are.
> 
> > Now, if I were really clever, I suppose I'd know how to write udev rules
> > to insure that the Sennheiser gets a lower card ID than the C-Media
> > device.
> 
> Well if you send me the output of lsusb, I can probably write some udev rules
> for you.  Or alternatively have a look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/Udev for a
> starting point.
> 
> -- Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
		Email:	janina@rednote.net

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa

Re: WARNING: Latest Linphone on Arch breaks device access

[Janina Sajka]

Haha! Chris Brannon, you rock! Mission accomplished

I now have in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf the USB sound card device
ordering that makes the trick you suggested work like a charm:

ALSA_CARD=Headset linphonec; linphonec

brings up the SIP phone and works as expected. I think this will
seriously do until the real thing comes along! <satisfied grin>

Thanks again, Chris!

Janina

Janina Sajka writes:
> Chris:
> 
> You've put me on the trail of docs I've looked for and failed to find
> forever.
> 
> I'm now looking at:
> http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards
> 
> 
> If I'm reading this correctly, I should be able to get the results I
> need by specifying a vendor and product id to order my two usb cards
> like I want them ordered.
> 
> Very cool. Hope it works!
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Chris Brannon writes:
> > Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes:
> > 
> > > It was a great suggestion, Chris. Unfortunately, it seems there's yet
> > > another bug in how alsa handles usb devices.
> > >
> > > I have 2 usb devices. No matter how I specify things, the card that gets
> > > invoked is the first of those two.
> > 
> > Oh interesting.  So it looks like there's a name clash.
> > Last time I dealt with multiple USB audio devices, they had unique
> > human-friendly IDs by default.  My Logitech USB headset was called
> > Headset, and my FM transmitter was called RocketFM.
> > Apparently I was just lucky.
> > 
> > Not sure how much you know about alsa, so I'll also mention that
> > you can see the human friendly IDs by looking for the symlinks in
> > /proc/asound.  They're also listed in the output of aplay -l, but it's
> > sort of non-intuitive what they are.
> > 
> > > Now, if I were really clever, I suppose I'd know how to write udev rules
> > > to insure that the Sennheiser gets a lower card ID than the C-Media
> > > device.
> > 
> > Well if you send me the output of lsusb, I can probably write some udev rules
> > for you.  Or alternatively have a look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/Udev for a
> > starting point.
> > 
> > -- Chris
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
> 			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> 		Email:	janina@rednote.net
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
		Email:	janina@rednote.net

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa

Re: WARNING: Latest Linphone on Arch breaks device access

[Chris Brannon]

Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes:

> I now have in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf the USB sound card device
> ordering that makes the trick you suggested work like a charm:

Aha.  I had forgotten about that.
Anyway, here are the udev rules to name your cards.  Unless I messed up
somewhere, these should give you the names Sennheiser and CMedia.
It's overly commented, partly for my benefit, because I don't
write udev rules too often.
Here's a link.  I think mailman scrubs attachments, and I don't want it
to be mangled by pasting it inline.
http://the-brannons.com/misc/90-usbaudio-rename.rules

-- Chris

Re: WARNING: Latest Linphone on Arch breaks device access

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Chris:

I will give your rules a spin and report back--but not today, just in
case there's a problem. I have calls today, but I'm clear of them at
day's end.

Thanks also for not pasting them inline. I had a profound experience of
executing a script that I recieved from a very brilliant engineer
colleague once.

As luck would have it, a mailman reformat of a line break ended up
executing:

rm -rf $HOME

I kid you not. This actually happened to me shortly after I lefft AFB. I
took it as spiritual encouragement to put the past behind me and not
worry about it anymore! It's funny now. At the time it was rather
devestating.

So, more news over the weekend, and thank you again for your stellar
assistance.

Janina

Chris Brannon writes:
> Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> writes:
> 
> > I now have in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf the USB sound card device
> > ordering that makes the trick you suggested work like a charm:
> 
> Aha.  I had forgotten about that.
> Anyway, here are the udev rules to name your cards.  Unless I messed up
> somewhere, these should give you the names Sennheiser and CMedia.
> It's overly commented, partly for my benefit, because I don't
> write udev rules too often.
> Here's a link.  I think mailman scrubs attachments, and I don't want it
> to be mangled by pasting it inline.
> http://the-brannons.com/misc/90-usbaudio-rename.rules
> 
> -- Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
			sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
		Email:	janina@rednote.net

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa