Debian upgrade to Jessie

Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Tom Fowle]

Hi all,
finally realized Debian 8.0 Jessie is released.
I see nothing in a quick perusal of the release notes effecting
accessibility,
or anything else i care about, but-----

Using an old 1.3 gig Asus P2b with doubletalk PC internal.

Are there any risks in just doing a straight upgrade from currently
installed recently updated wheezie using 
apt-get upgrade

Should I worry about backing up much, not really anything critical on
the
box.

I use almost entirely command line simple stuff, lynx, links, mutt and
the
like.

Thanks

  Tom Fowle
  wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[acollins]

Hi Tom.  I would suggest you test Jessie with a live cd, and if that
works, then upgrade.

Gene Collins


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Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Mike Ray]

Hello,

I did a full net install of Debian Jessie rather than upgrade Wheezy to
Jessie to Wheezy because Jessie gives alternative desktops.

I picked the Mate desktop and it works very well, and accessibility is
excellent.

Debian Jessie now includes Emacspeak in the repos, so no need to build
it from source.

I have found no big accessibility problems.

Mike

On 18/05/2015 03:41, acollins@icsmail.net wrote:
> Hi Tom.  I would suggest you test Jessie with a live cd, and if that
> works, then upgrade.
> 
> Gene Collins
> 
> 
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-- 
Michael A. Ray
Analyst/Programmer
Witley, Surrey, South-east UK

"In the beginning there was Debian, and Ubuntu was without form, and void"

Eyes-free Linux:
http://eyesfreelinux.ninja/

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Tony Baechler]

What kernel are you running?  I had no problems upgrading to Jessie on a
couple of servers here, but unless something changed recently, kernels after
2.6.32 don't seem to work with hardware speech.  Of course you aren't using
a serial synth, so maybe it'll be fine for you.  The upgrade went fairly
smooth for the most part and I would recommend upgrading.  Be aware that the
default init is now systemd which has a lot of dependencies, so if you want
to stay with sysvinit or upstart, keep that in mind.  One server is only
accessed with ssh, so it has no speech on it at all.  The other is my
regular desktop machine, but I kept my 2.6.32 kernel due to the lack of
serial synth support in newer kernels.  I didn't want to upgrade udev, dbus,
etc, so I kept sysvinit on my desktop, but the remote server got a new
Jessie install with systemd and it seems fine.  I did upgrade from Wheezy to
testing, but due to unrelated circumstances, it got a fresh install, however
that had nothing to do with Jessie or any Debian problems.  Good luck and
let us know how it goes.

On 5/17/2015 7:26 PM, Tom Fowle wrote:
> finally realized Debian 8.0 Jessie is released.
> I see nothing in a quick perusal of the release notes effecting
> accessibility,
> or anything else i care about, but-----
> 
> Using an old 1.3 gig Asus P2b with doubletalk PC internal.
> 
> Are there any risks in just doing a straight upgrade from currently
> installed recently updated wheezie using 
> apt-get upgrade
> 
> Should I worry about backing up much, not really anything critical on
> the
> box.
> 

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Techswing33]

Hello,

I've done a fresh Jessie install. That went fine with speech, I've got
a console distro going that now I'd like to add the mate desktop to
and set it up so I can graphically log in. If anyone has this working
I'd appreciate some tips as I've been over the mate wiki which doesn't
seem to be working.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 5/18/15, Tony Baechler <tony@baechler.net> wrote:
> What kernel are you running?  I had no problems upgrading to Jessie on a
> couple of servers here, but unless something changed recently, kernels after
> 2.6.32 don't seem to work with hardware speech.  Of course you aren't using
> a serial synth, so maybe it'll be fine for you.  The upgrade went fairly
> smooth for the most part and I would recommend upgrading.  Be aware that the
> default init is now systemd which has a lot of dependencies, so if you want
> to stay with sysvinit or upstart, keep that in mind.  One server is only
> accessed with ssh, so it has no speech on it at all.  The other is my
> regular desktop machine, but I kept my 2.6.32 kernel due to the lack of
> serial synth support in newer kernels.  I didn't want to upgrade udev, dbus,
> etc, so I kept sysvinit on my desktop, but the remote server got a new
> Jessie install with systemd and it seems fine.  I did upgrade from Wheezy to
> testing, but due to unrelated circumstances, it got a fresh install, however
> that had nothing to do with Jessie or any Debian problems.  Good luck and
> let us know how it goes.
>
> On 5/17/2015 7:26 PM, Tom Fowle wrote:
>> finally realized Debian 8.0 Jessie is released.
>> I see nothing in a quick perusal of the release notes effecting
>> accessibility,
>> or anything else i care about, but-----
>>
>> Using an old 1.3 gig Asus P2b with doubletalk PC internal.
>>
>> Are there any risks in just doing a straight upgrade from currently
>> installed recently updated wheezie using
>> apt-get upgrade
>>
>> Should I worry about backing up much, not really anything critical on
>> the
>> box.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Rob]

I never did get Orca working with a window manager like lightm, after 
installing it from an already installed system. What I had to do was do a 
fresh install of debian. I used blrtty, which allowed me to have 
accessibility in the desktop later. I got speech in the login screen, after 
the fresh install, but I don't know how that was done, so that I can 
duplicate the steps without having to do a brand new install on my other 
linux box.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Techswing33" <techswing33@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
<speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie


> Hello,
>
> I've done a fresh Jessie install. That went fine with speech, I've got
> a console distro going that now I'd like to add the mate desktop to
> and set it up so I can graphically log in. If anyone has this working
> I'd appreciate some tips as I've been over the mate wiki which doesn't
> seem to be working.
>
> Thanks.
> Dave.
>
>
> On 5/18/15, Tony Baechler <tony@baechler.net> wrote:
>> What kernel are you running?  I had no problems upgrading to Jessie on a
>> couple of servers here, but unless something changed recently, kernels 
>> after
>> 2.6.32 don't seem to work with hardware speech.  Of course you aren't 
>> using
>> a serial synth, so maybe it'll be fine for you.  The upgrade went fairly
>> smooth for the most part and I would recommend upgrading.  Be aware that 
>> the
>> default init is now systemd which has a lot of dependencies, so if you 
>> want
>> to stay with sysvinit or upstart, keep that in mind.  One server is only
>> accessed with ssh, so it has no speech on it at all.  The other is my
>> regular desktop machine, but I kept my 2.6.32 kernel due to the lack of
>> serial synth support in newer kernels.  I didn't want to upgrade udev, 
>> dbus,
>> etc, so I kept sysvinit on my desktop, but the remote server got a new
>> Jessie install with systemd and it seems fine.  I did upgrade from Wheezy 
>> to
>> testing, but due to unrelated circumstances, it got a fresh install, 
>> however
>> that had nothing to do with Jessie or any Debian problems.  Good luck and
>> let us know how it goes.
>>
>> On 5/17/2015 7:26 PM, Tom Fowle wrote:
>>> finally realized Debian 8.0 Jessie is released.
>>> I see nothing in a quick perusal of the release notes effecting
>>> accessibility,
>>> or anything else i care about, but-----
>>>
>>> Using an old 1.3 gig Asus P2b with doubletalk PC internal.
>>>
>>> Are there any risks in just doing a straight upgrade from currently
>>> installed recently updated wheezie using
>>> apt-get upgrade
>>>
>>> Should I worry about backing up much, not really anything critical on
>>> the
>>> box.
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Techswing33]

Hi,

Thanks. I guess that's what I'll have to do.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 5/18/15, Rob <captinlogic@gmail.com> wrote:
> I never did get Orca working with a window manager like lightm, after
> installing it from an already installed system. What I had to do was do a
> fresh install of debian. I used blrtty, which allowed me to have
> accessibility in the desktop later. I got speech in the login screen, after
> the fresh install, but I don't know how that was done, so that I can
> duplicate the steps without having to do a brand new install on my other
> linux box.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Techswing33" <techswing33@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've done a fresh Jessie install. That went fine with speech, I've got
>> a console distro going that now I'd like to add the mate desktop to
>> and set it up so I can graphically log in. If anyone has this working
>> I'd appreciate some tips as I've been over the mate wiki which doesn't
>> seem to be working.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Dave.
>>
>>
>> On 5/18/15, Tony Baechler <tony@baechler.net> wrote:
>>> What kernel are you running?  I had no problems upgrading to Jessie on a
>>> couple of servers here, but unless something changed recently, kernels
>>> after
>>> 2.6.32 don't seem to work with hardware speech.  Of course you aren't
>>> using
>>> a serial synth, so maybe it'll be fine for you.  The upgrade went fairly
>>> smooth for the most part and I would recommend upgrading.  Be aware that
>>> the
>>> default init is now systemd which has a lot of dependencies, so if you
>>> want
>>> to stay with sysvinit or upstart, keep that in mind.  One server is only
>>> accessed with ssh, so it has no speech on it at all.  The other is my
>>> regular desktop machine, but I kept my 2.6.32 kernel due to the lack of
>>> serial synth support in newer kernels.  I didn't want to upgrade udev,
>>> dbus,
>>> etc, so I kept sysvinit on my desktop, but the remote server got a new
>>> Jessie install with systemd and it seems fine.  I did upgrade from Wheezy
>>>
>>> to
>>> testing, but due to unrelated circumstances, it got a fresh install,
>>> however
>>> that had nothing to do with Jessie or any Debian problems.  Good luck and
>>> let us know how it goes.
>>>
>>> On 5/17/2015 7:26 PM, Tom Fowle wrote:
>>>> finally realized Debian 8.0 Jessie is released.
>>>> I see nothing in a quick perusal of the release notes effecting
>>>> accessibility,
>>>> or anything else i care about, but-----
>>>>
>>>> Using an old 1.3 gig Asus P2b with doubletalk PC internal.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any risks in just doing a straight upgrade from currently
>>>> installed recently updated wheezie using
>>>> apt-get upgrade
>>>>
>>>> Should I worry about backing up much, not really anything critical on
>>>> the
>>>> box.
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
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>

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Samuel Thibault]

Hello,

The documentation for debian accessibility is available on

http://wiki.debian.org/accessibility

Samuel

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Tom Fowle]

Thanks all for various comments.
I did read the wikki but didn't seem to find anything about speakup.
which
is my only serious interest in screen readers for now.
Yes use brltty also but unfortunately brltty's speech system doesn't
support
the doubletalk.
My box is too slow for software speech unless I want a lot of naps.

I believe running version 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 


Looks like my cowardly best bet is to wait till more experienced users
have
a go.
Since I don't care about multiple desktops only reason to upgrade
appears
to be so as not to get behind the upgrades and eventually have to
entirely
reinstall.
Thanks
  Tom Fowle
  wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm


On Mon, May 18, 2015, at 12:21 AM, Mike Ray wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I did a full net install of Debian Jessie rather than upgrade Wheezy to
> Jessie to Wheezy because Jessie gives alternative desktops.
> 
> I picked the Mate desktop and it works very well, and accessibility is
> excellent.
> 
> Debian Jessie now includes Emacspeak in the repos, so no need to build
> it from source.
> 
> I have found no big accessibility problems.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 18/05/2015 03:41, acollins@icsmail.net wrote:
> > Hi Tom.  I would suggest you test Jessie with a live cd, and if that
> > works, then upgrade.
> > 
> > Gene Collins
> > 
> > 
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> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Michael A. Ray
> Analyst/Programmer
> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
> 
> "In the beginning there was Debian, and Ubuntu was without form, and
> void"
> 
> Eyes-free Linux:
> http://eyesfreelinux.ninja/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[John G Heim]

Have you tried using software speech on your machine? I would be very 
surprised if it really is too slow. I used to have a laptop with a 
original Pentium processor and 56Mb of ram. That is not a typo, 56Mb of 
ram. Speakup with software speech ran fine. I used to walk around my 
house streaming the audio portion of TV shows on it. I also have a 
machine that is the mid-90s equivalent of a raspberry pi. This machine 
has a 486 processor and 256Mb of ram. It's a Soekris 4801 in case you're 
curious. Anyway, it runs speakup with software speech just fine.


I guess it might depend on what else you are doing on your machine. But 
if your machine is slow, I would doubt that the problem is primarily 
with software speech.

On 05/18/2015 08:20 PM, Tom Fowle wrote:
> Thanks all for various comments.
> I did read the wikki but didn't seem to find anything about speakup.
> which
> is my only serious interest in screen readers for now.
> Yes use brltty also but unfortunately brltty's speech system doesn't
> support
> the doubletalk.
> My box is too slow for software speech unless I want a lot of naps.
>
> I believe running version 3.2.60-1+deb7u3
>
>
> Looks like my cowardly best bet is to wait till more experienced users
> have
> a go.
> Since I don't care about multiple desktops only reason to upgrade
> appears
> to be so as not to get behind the upgrades and eventually have to
> entirely
> reinstall.
> Thanks
>    Tom Fowle
>    wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm
>
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2015, at 12:21 AM, Mike Ray wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I did a full net install of Debian Jessie rather than upgrade Wheezy to
>> Jessie to Wheezy because Jessie gives alternative desktops.
>>
>> I picked the Mate desktop and it works very well, and accessibility is
>> excellent.
>>
>> Debian Jessie now includes Emacspeak in the repos, so no need to build
>> it from source.
>>
>> I have found no big accessibility problems.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On 18/05/2015 03:41, acollins@icsmail.net wrote:
>>> Hi Tom.  I would suggest you test Jessie with a live cd, and if that
>>> works, then upgrade.
>>>
>>> Gene Collins
>>>
>>>
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>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael A. Ray
>> Analyst/Programmer
>> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>>
>> "In the beginning there was Debian, and Ubuntu was without form, and
>> void"
>>
>> Eyes-free Linux:
>> http://eyesfreelinux.ninja/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
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Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[John G Heim]

There is a page on my space on the web site of the International 
Association Of Visually Impaired Technologists that explains how to get 
a doubletalk working with speakup. You do have to compile a kernel and 
that may be something you don't want to try. It is really not that 
difficult but you can make it so your machine doesn't boot if you do it 
wrong. You're not likely to do that but it can happen.

Anyway, you could try mypage at http://www.iavit.org/~john/debian/ for 
more information. I'll see if I can compile a kernel for debian jessie 
sometime over the next week. I have eleventy gazillion irons in the fire 
right now so I cannot promise anything.



On 05/18/2015 08:20 PM, Tom Fowle wrote:
> Thanks all for various comments.
> I did read the wikki but didn't seem to find anything about speakup.
> which
> is my only serious interest in screen readers for now.
> Yes use brltty also but unfortunately brltty's speech system doesn't
> support
> the doubletalk.
> My box is too slow for software speech unless I want a lot of naps.
>
> I believe running version 3.2.60-1+deb7u3
>
>
> Looks like my cowardly best bet is to wait till more experienced users
> have
> a go.
> Since I don't care about multiple desktops only reason to upgrade
> appears
> to be so as not to get behind the upgrades and eventually have to
> entirely
> reinstall.
> Thanks
>    Tom Fowle
>    wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm
>
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2015, at 12:21 AM, Mike Ray wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I did a full net install of Debian Jessie rather than upgrade Wheezy to
>> Jessie to Wheezy because Jessie gives alternative desktops.
>>
>> I picked the Mate desktop and it works very well, and accessibility is
>> excellent.
>>
>> Debian Jessie now includes Emacspeak in the repos, so no need to build
>> it from source.
>>
>> I have found no big accessibility problems.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On 18/05/2015 03:41, acollins@icsmail.net wrote:
>>> Hi Tom.  I would suggest you test Jessie with a live cd, and if that
>>> works, then upgrade.
>>>
>>> Gene Collins
>>>
>>>
>>>> SGkgYWxsLApmaW5hbGx5IHJlYWxpemVkIERlYmlhbiA4LjAgSmVzc2llIGlzIHJlbGVhc2VkLgpJ
>>>> IHNlZSBub3RoaW5nIGluIGEgcXVpY2sgcGVydXNhbCBvZiB0aGUgcmVsZWFzZSBub3RlcyBlZmZl
>>>> Y3RpbmcKYWNjZXNzaWJpbGl0eSwKb3IgYW55dGhpbmcgZWxzZSBpIGNhcmUgYWJvdXQsIGJ1dC0t
>>>> LS0tCgpVc2luZyBhbiBvbGQgMS4zIGdpZyBBc3VzIFAyYiB3aXRoIGRvdWJsZXRhbGsgUEMgaW50
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>>>> bmcgCmFwdC1nZXQgdXBncmFkZQoKU2hvdWxkIEkgd29ycnkgYWJvdXQgYmFja2luZyB1cCBtdWNo
>>>> LCBub3QgcmVhbGx5IGFueXRoaW5nIGNyaXRpY2FsIG9uCnRoZQpib3guCgpJIHVzZSBhbG1vc3Qg
>>>> ZW50aXJlbHkgY29tbWFuZCBsaW5lIHNpbXBsZSBzdHVmZiwgbHlueCwgbGlua3MsIG11dHQgYW5k
>>>> CnRoZQpsaWtlLgoKVGhhbmtzCgogIFRvbSBGb3dsZQogIHdhNml2Z3RmQGZhc3RtYWlsLmZtCl9f
>>>> X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fClNwZWFrdXAgbWFp
>>>> bGluZyBsaXN0ClNwZWFrdXBAbGludXgtc3BlYWt1cC5vcmcKaHR0cDovL2xpbnV4LXNwZWFrdXAu
>>>> b3JnL2NnaS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9zcGVha3VwCg==
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael A. Ray
>> Analyst/Programmer
>> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>>
>> "In the beginning there was Debian, and Ubuntu was without form, and
>> void"
>>
>> Eyes-free Linux:
>> http://eyesfreelinux.ninja/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Brian Buhrow]

	hello John.  In general, I agree with you.  I doubt there's a machine
that's really too slow to run software speech.  However, having said that,
I have a pentium II which runs at 233MHZ and has 128MB of RAM.  It runs
software speech just fine, running eflite.  However, It's not particularly
fun to use because the latency is too long.  It's hard to get it to stop
talking and get it to restart on a dime and so using it is a bit slow.
It's perfectly functional, but, as I say, not fun to use.  As a digital
recording device, however, it's beautiful and I've used it to capture the
audio at 8 California state conventions now.
-thanks
-Brian

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[John G Heim]

Yes, I did leave off the point that you might have to use espeak. It 
didn't occur to me that anybody would use anything other than espeak 
with speakup. Actually, you can probably use voxim too which has even 
lower latency than espeak. Well, maybe I shouldn't make such a 
definitive statement. When I used voxim last, it's latency was even 
lower than espeak on my machine.

On 05/19/2015 12:45 PM, Brian Buhrow wrote:
> 	hello John.  In general, I agree with you.  I doubt there's a machine
> that's really too slow to run software speech.  However, having said that,
> I have a pentium II which runs at 233MHZ and has 128MB of RAM.  It runs
> software speech just fine, running eflite.  However, It's not particularly
> fun to use because the latency is too long.  It's hard to get it to stop
> talking and get it to restart on a dime and so using it is a bit slow.
> It's perfectly functional, but, as I say, not fun to use.  As a digital
> recording device, however, it's beautiful and I've used it to capture the
> audio at 8 California state conventions now.
> -thanks
> -Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Tom Fowle]

Johnny and all,
I have tried orca with espeak on this box and the latency is horrible.
Yes
the speech speed its self is fine, so I didn't state my original
properly,
it's the latency/speed of response that drives me nuts with orca and
espeak.

I'll try speakup with espeak see how that works.

I had only minor problems getting speakup with the doubletalk PC working
on
wheezie, the installer worked rite off, but speakup wouldn't start on
reboot
until I removed brltty info from 
/etc/initramfs/modules
Then both speakup and brltty started at boot fine.
As I recall from previous discussions on this list, the problems in
later
kernels are with serial synths. Some have indicated this may not relate
to
the DTLK internal.

Afraid I'm much too much of a wimp to try compiling a kernel but I'll
look
at the mentioned page. and see how much I quiver with fear <GRIN>
Thanks
Tom

  Tom Fowle
  wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm


On Tue, May 19, 2015, at 09:49 AM, John G Heim wrote:
> Have you tried using software speech on your machine? I would be very 
> surprised if it really is too slow. I used to have a laptop with a 
> original Pentium processor and 56Mb of ram. That is not a typo, 56Mb of 
> ram. Speakup with software speech ran fine. I used to walk around my 
> house streaming the audio portion of TV shows on it. I also have a 
> machine that is the mid-90s equivalent of a raspberry pi. This machine 
> has a 486 processor and 256Mb of ram. It's a Soekris 4801 in case you're 
> curious. Anyway, it runs speakup with software speech just fine.
> 
> 
> I guess it might depend on what else you are doing on your machine. But 
> if your machine is slow, I would doubt that the problem is primarily 
> with software speech.
> 
> On 05/18/2015 08:20 PM, Tom Fowle wrote:
> > Thanks all for various comments.
> > I did read the wikki but didn't seem to find anything about speakup.
> > which
> > is my only serious interest in screen readers for now.
> > Yes use brltty also but unfortunately brltty's speech system doesn't
> > support
> > the doubletalk.
> > My box is too slow for software speech unless I want a lot of naps.
> >
> > I believe running version 3.2.60-1+deb7u3
> >
> >
> > Looks like my cowardly best bet is to wait till more experienced users
> > have
> > a go.
> > Since I don't care about multiple desktops only reason to upgrade
> > appears
> > to be so as not to get behind the upgrades and eventually have to
> > entirely
> > reinstall.
> > Thanks
> >    Tom Fowle
> >    wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 18, 2015, at 12:21 AM, Mike Ray wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I did a full net install of Debian Jessie rather than upgrade Wheezy to
> >> Jessie to Wheezy because Jessie gives alternative desktops.
> >>
> >> I picked the Mate desktop and it works very well, and accessibility is
> >> excellent.
> >>
> >> Debian Jessie now includes Emacspeak in the repos, so no need to build
> >> it from source.
> >>
> >> I have found no big accessibility problems.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> On 18/05/2015 03:41, acollins@icsmail.net wrote:
> >>> Hi Tom.  I would suggest you test Jessie with a live cd, and if that
> >>> works, then upgrade.
> >>>
> >>> Gene Collins
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> SGkgYWxsLApmaW5hbGx5IHJlYWxpemVkIERlYmlhbiA4LjAgSmVzc2llIGlzIHJlbGVhc2VkLgpJ
> >>>> IHNlZSBub3RoaW5nIGluIGEgcXVpY2sgcGVydXNhbCBvZiB0aGUgcmVsZWFzZSBub3RlcyBlZmZl
> >>>> Y3RpbmcKYWNjZXNzaWJpbGl0eSwKb3IgYW55dGhpbmcgZWxzZSBpIGNhcmUgYWJvdXQsIGJ1dC0t
> >>>> LS0tCgpVc2luZyBhbiBvbGQgMS4zIGdpZyBBc3VzIFAyYiB3aXRoIGRvdWJsZXRhbGsgUEMgaW50
> >>>> ZXJuYWwuCgpBcmUgdGhlcmUgYW55IHJpc2tzIGluIGp1c3QgZG9pbmcgYSBzdHJhaWdodCB1cGdy
> >>>> YWRlIGZyb20gY3VycmVudGx5Cmluc3RhbGxlZCByZWNlbnRseSB1cGRhdGVkIHdoZWV6aWUgdXNp
> >>>> bmcgCmFwdC1nZXQgdXBncmFkZQoKU2hvdWxkIEkgd29ycnkgYWJvdXQgYmFja2luZyB1cCBtdWNo
> >>>> LCBub3QgcmVhbGx5IGFueXRoaW5nIGNyaXRpY2FsIG9uCnRoZQpib3guCgpJIHVzZSBhbG1vc3Qg
> >>>> ZW50aXJlbHkgY29tbWFuZCBsaW5lIHNpbXBsZSBzdHVmZiwgbHlueCwgbGlua3MsIG11dHQgYW5k
> >>>> CnRoZQpsaWtlLgoKVGhhbmtzCgogIFRvbSBGb3dsZQogIHdhNml2Z3RmQGZhc3RtYWlsLmZtCl9f
> >>>> X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fClNwZWFrdXAgbWFp
> >>>> bGluZyBsaXN0ClNwZWFrdXBAbGludXgtc3BlYWt1cC5vcmcKaHR0cDovL2xpbnV4LXNwZWFrdXAu
> >>>> b3JnL2NnaS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9zcGVha3VwCg==
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Speakup mailing list
> >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Michael A. Ray
> >> Analyst/Programmer
> >> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
> >>
> >> "In the beginning there was Debian, and Ubuntu was without form, and
> >> void"
> >>
> >> Eyes-free Linux:
> >> http://eyesfreelinux.ninja/
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> -- 
> John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Tom Fowle]

All,
Trying to test speakup with espeak on wheezie.
Installed espeakup package
made /dev/softsynth as per instructions in speakupguide

first there is no
/speakup/synth
closest I can find is
/sys/module/speakup/parameters/synth
when try, as root, to 
echo soft >/sys/modules/speakup/parameters/synth
get permission denied
when run espeakup get
cannot open softhsynth, no such device.
/dev/softhsynth exists.
Oh yes, espeak is on system, works with orca 

  Tom Fowle
  wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm


On Tue, May 19, 2015, at 10:03 AM, John G Heim wrote:
> There is a page on my space on the web site of the International 
> Association Of Visually Impaired Technologists that explains how to get 
> a doubletalk working with speakup. You do have to compile a kernel and 
> that may be something you don't want to try. It is really not that 
> difficult but you can make it so your machine doesn't boot if you do it 
> wrong. You're not likely to do that but it can happen.
> 
> Anyway, you could try mypage at http://www.iavit.org/~john/debian/ for 
> more information. I'll see if I can compile a kernel for debian jessie 
> sometime over the next week. I have eleventy gazillion irons in the fire 
> right now so I cannot promise anything.
> 
> 
> 
> On 05/18/2015 08:20 PM, Tom Fowle wrote:
> > Thanks all for various comments.
> > I did read the wikki but didn't seem to find anything about speakup.
> > which
> > is my only serious interest in screen readers for now.
> > Yes use brltty also but unfortunately brltty's speech system doesn't
> > support
> > the doubletalk.
> > My box is too slow for software speech unless I want a lot of naps.
> >
> > I believe running version 3.2.60-1+deb7u3
> >
> >
> > Looks like my cowardly best bet is to wait till more experienced users
> > have
> > a go.
> > Since I don't care about multiple desktops only reason to upgrade
> > appears
> > to be so as not to get behind the upgrades and eventually have to
> > entirely
> > reinstall.
> > Thanks
> >    Tom Fowle
> >    wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 18, 2015, at 12:21 AM, Mike Ray wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I did a full net install of Debian Jessie rather than upgrade Wheezy to
> >> Jessie to Wheezy because Jessie gives alternative desktops.
> >>
> >> I picked the Mate desktop and it works very well, and accessibility is
> >> excellent.
> >>
> >> Debian Jessie now includes Emacspeak in the repos, so no need to build
> >> it from source.
> >>
> >> I have found no big accessibility problems.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> On 18/05/2015 03:41, acollins@icsmail.net wrote:
> >>> Hi Tom.  I would suggest you test Jessie with a live cd, and if that
> >>> works, then upgrade.
> >>>
> >>> Gene Collins
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> SGkgYWxsLApmaW5hbGx5IHJlYWxpemVkIERlYmlhbiA4LjAgSmVzc2llIGlzIHJlbGVhc2VkLgpJ
> >>>> IHNlZSBub3RoaW5nIGluIGEgcXVpY2sgcGVydXNhbCBvZiB0aGUgcmVsZWFzZSBub3RlcyBlZmZl
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> >>>> bmcgCmFwdC1nZXQgdXBncmFkZQoKU2hvdWxkIEkgd29ycnkgYWJvdXQgYmFja2luZyB1cCBtdWNo
> >>>> LCBub3QgcmVhbGx5IGFueXRoaW5nIGNyaXRpY2FsIG9uCnRoZQpib3guCgpJIHVzZSBhbG1vc3Qg
> >>>> ZW50aXJlbHkgY29tbWFuZCBsaW5lIHNpbXBsZSBzdHVmZiwgbHlueCwgbGlua3MsIG11dHQgYW5k
> >>>> CnRoZQpsaWtlLgoKVGhhbmtzCgogIFRvbSBGb3dsZQogIHdhNml2Z3RmQGZhc3RtYWlsLmZtCl9f
> >>>> X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fClNwZWFrdXAgbWFp
> >>>> bGluZyBsaXN0ClNwZWFrdXBAbGludXgtc3BlYWt1cC5vcmcKaHR0cDovL2xpbnV4LXNwZWFrdXAu
> >>>> b3JnL2NnaS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9zcGVha3VwCg==
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Speakup mailing list
> >>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Michael A. Ray
> >> Analyst/Programmer
> >> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
> >>
> >> "In the beginning there was Debian, and Ubuntu was without form, and
> >> void"
> >>
> >> Eyes-free Linux:
> >> http://eyesfreelinux.ninja/
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> -- 
> John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Gregory Nowak]

You need to load the soft_synth module as root, like this:

modprobe soft_synth

BTW, I, like you, have a system with a doubletalk pc. My box is a 1.1GHz
pentium III with 768 megs of ram. I am still running wheezy on my
boxes, but see no reason why jessie shouldn't work for you. If I
upgrade to jessie before you report on your experience, I'll post here
on how that went for this particular box. I probably won't get around
to upgrading my machines until a few months from now though.

You should have no problem using speakup with espeak/espeakup on your
machine. Your orca experience doesn't surprise me though. Good luck.

Greg


On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 09:20:56PM -0700, Tom Fowle wrote:
> All,
> Trying to test speakup with espeak on wheezie.
> Installed espeakup package
> made /dev/softsynth as per instructions in speakupguide
> 
> first there is no
> /speakup/synth
> closest I can find is
> /sys/module/speakup/parameters/synth
> when try, as root, to 
> echo soft >/sys/modules/speakup/parameters/synth
> get permission denied
> when run espeakup get
> cannot open softhsynth, no such device.
> /dev/softhsynth exists.
> Oh yes, espeak is on system, works with orca 
> 
>   Tom Fowle
>   wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm


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feasibility of speechdispatcher to dtlk?

[Tom Fowle]

Any thoughts on the feasibility of writing a dtlk driver for
speechdispatcher?
Might make orca look better to those of us still choosing to use slow boxes.

I thought I had a memory that early orca could drive dtlk, probably
pre-speechdispatcher?
Thanks

Tom Fowle

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Chris Brannon]

Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm> writes:

> All,
> Trying to test speakup with espeak on wheezie.
> Installed espeakup package
> made /dev/softsynth as per instructions in speakupguide

To me, it looks like you are lacking the softsynth module, which is
named speakup_soft.  What is the output of
lsmod |grep speakup

-- Chris

Re: feasibility of speechdispatcher to dtlk?

[Chris Brannon]

Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm> writes:

> Any thoughts on the feasibility of writing a dtlk driver for
> speechdispatcher?

It shouldn't be too bad for someone with the will to do it.
People have been talking about writing hardware synth drivers for SD for
a long time, but no one has actually done it.

Also, I'm sorry to say that hardware speech will not make gnome and orca
more performant on an older box.  The software speech is not a problem.
I've used espeakup on a Dell Lattitude C610 with a 700
MHz processor and 256 megabytes of RAM, and it performed beautifully.  I
used the eflite speech server for emacspeak on a Toshiba Tecra laptop
with a 166 MHz CPU and 64 megabytes of RAM.  Again, it performed like a
champ.  In fact, this was my working environment for most of 2005.
Software speech just isn't that resource intensive.  The only time it is
a problem is when the machine is under a painfully heavy load.

> I thought I had a memory that early orca could drive dtlk, probably
> pre-speechdispatcher?

Orca used to be able to use emacspeak speech servers.  Hopefully it
still can.  Anyway, there's an Emacspeak speech server for the
Doubletalk.  It was part of the emacspeak-ss package on the old blinux
ftp site.  That site seems to be dead now, but I think Debian is still
distributing emacspeak-ss.

Good luck,
-- Chris

Re: feasibility of speechdispatcher to dtlk?

[covici]

Sure, its quite possible, look at the speech dispatcher info files, they
have a  protocol for thedrivers and if you know c, it didn't look too
hard when I last looked.

Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Any thoughts on the feasibility of writing a dtlk driver for
> speechdispatcher?
> Might make orca look better to those of us still choosing to use slow boxes.
> 
> I thought I had a memory that early orca could drive dtlk, probably
> pre-speechdispatcher?
> Thanks
> 
> Tom Fowle
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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you spend it?

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         covici@ccs.covici.com

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Tom Fowle]

Chris,
output of
lsmod |grep speakup
:
speakup_dtlk           12589  0 
speakup                66873  1 speakup_dtlk
Assume I can download the softsynth device from the speakup modules site
Thanks
Tom


On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 12:43:42AM -0700, Chris Brannon wrote:
> Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm> writes:
> 
> > All,
> > Trying to test speakup with espeak on wheezie.
> > Installed espeakup package
> > made /dev/softsynth as per instructions in speakupguide
> 
> To me, it looks like you are lacking the softsynth module, which is
> named speakup_soft.  What is the output of
> lsmod |grep speakup
> 
> -- Chris
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Re: feasibility of speechdispatcher to dtlk?

[Tom Fowle]

Chris and all,
I'll take a look at the various sources, but I suspect you're correct, I
just can't get it out of my head that soft speech is a big load.
Likely that gnome is slow cause of the load of all that graphics, not
speech.

I was looking at speakup and espeak just in case I upgraded to Jessie and
the dtlk didn't fly.
Thanks
Tom

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 01:10:58AM -0700, Chris Brannon wrote:
> Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm> writes:
> 
> > Any thoughts on the feasibility of writing a dtlk driver for
> > speechdispatcher?
> 
> It shouldn't be too bad for someone with the will to do it.
> People have been talking about writing hardware synth drivers for SD for
> a long time, but no one has actually done it.
> 
> Also, I'm sorry to say that hardware speech will not make gnome and orca
> more performant on an older box.  The software speech is not a problem.
> I've used espeakup on a Dell Lattitude C610 with a 700
> MHz processor and 256 megabytes of RAM, and it performed beautifully.  I
> used the eflite speech server for emacspeak on a Toshiba Tecra laptop
> with a 166 MHz CPU and 64 megabytes of RAM.  Again, it performed like a
> champ.  In fact, this was my working environment for most of 2005.
> Software speech just isn't that resource intensive.  The only time it is
> a problem is when the machine is under a painfully heavy load.
> 
> > I thought I had a memory that early orca could drive dtlk, probably
> > pre-speechdispatcher?
> 
> Orca used to be able to use emacspeak speech servers.  Hopefully it
> still can.  Anyway, there's an Emacspeak speech server for the
> Doubletalk.  It was part of the emacspeak-ss package on the old blinux
> ftp site.  That site seems to be dead now, but I think Debian is still
> distributing emacspeak-ss.
> 
> Good luck,
> -- Chris
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> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[chris]

Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm> writes:

> Assume I can download the softsynth device from the speakup modules site

Tom,
Did you compile your own kernel?  I think you probably did.  If you want
software speech, you're going to have to compile it again.  Just choose
to build software speech as a module the same way you chose to build the
dtlk driver as a module.  It's on the same menu.

Good luck and 73,
-- Chris

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Tom Fowle]

Chris
Yipes, no, running an out-of-the-box install of Debian Wheezie
Installed espeakup as a debian package with apt-get
Tom

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 08:09:08PM -0700, chris@the-brannons.com wrote:
> Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm> writes:
> 
> > Assume I can download the softsynth device from the speakup modules site
> 
> Tom,
> Did you compile your own kernel?  I think you probably did.  If you want
> software speech, you're going to have to compile it again.  Just choose
> to build software speech as a module the same way you chose to build the
> dtlk driver as a module.  It's on the same menu.
> 
> Good luck and 73,
> -- Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[chris]

Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm> writes:

> Chris
> Yipes, no, running an out-of-the-box install of Debian Wheezie

Ok, I've obviously been out of it for the last couple days...
Sorry for misleading you a bit due to muddled thinking.
A simple
modprobe speakup_soft
should suffice.
And then start espeakup.

-- Chris

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Tom Fowle]

Chris,
Works, thought I'd tried that before.
Did find out that I'd failed to disable pulseaudio on installing debbian
so will go that.
Thanks
Tom

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 09:06:40PM -0700, chris@the-brannons.com wrote:
> Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm> writes:
> 
> > Chris
> > Yipes, no, running an out-of-the-box install of Debian Wheezie
> 
> Ok, I've obviously been out of it for the last couple days...
> Sorry for misleading you a bit due to muddled thinking.
> A simple
> modprobe speakup_soft
> should suffice.
> And then start espeakup.
> 
> -- Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[John G. Heim]

The softsynth module should be included in every kernel these days.

$ sudo modprobe speakup_soft

If you have an external doubletalk, it won't work unless you patch and 
recompile the kernel. An internal doubletalk will.

I just made a virtual 32 bit debian machine Friday evening  that I 
intend to use to recompile the debian kernel with the speakup paatch 
every time they come out with a new kernel. I think I can make it so it 
just runs all the time and when there is a new kernel, it upgrades 
itself, reboots, recompiles the kernel with the patch, and posts it to 
my debian repository on www.iavit.org -- I think.

On 05/23/2015 10:09 PM, chris@the-brannons.com wrote:
> Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm> writes:
>
>> Assume I can download the softsynth device from the speakup modules site
> Tom,
> Did you compile your own kernel?  I think you probably did.  If you want
> software speech, you're going to have to compile it again.  Just choose
> to build software speech as a module the same way you chose to build the
> dtlk driver as a module.  It's on the same menu.
>
> Good luck and 73,
> -- Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: feasibility of speechdispatcher to dtlk?

[John G. Heim]

Yeah, espeak came out at least 10 years ago so software speech itself 
hasn't been the problem for at least that long. And I think it's more 
like 15 years. Voxim might have been around even longer than that. You 
can still find software synths that are resource hogs but if you use 
espeak or voxim, the speech synth itself won't be the problem.


On 05/23/2015 09:44 PM, Tom Fowle wrote:
> Chris and all,
> I'll take a look at the various sources, but I suspect you're correct, I
> just can't get it out of my head that soft speech is a big load.
> Likely that gnome is slow cause of the load of all that graphics, not
> speech.
>
> I was looking at speakup and espeak just in case I upgraded to Jessie and
> the dtlk didn't fly.
> Thanks
> Tom
>
> On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 01:10:58AM -0700, Chris Brannon wrote:
>> Tom Fowle <wa6ivgtf@fastmail.fm> writes:
>>
>>> Any thoughts on the feasibility of writing a dtlk driver for
>>> speechdispatcher?
>> It shouldn't be too bad for someone with the will to do it.
>> People have been talking about writing hardware synth drivers for SD for
>> a long time, but no one has actually done it.
>>
>> Also, I'm sorry to say that hardware speech will not make gnome and orca
>> more performant on an older box.  The software speech is not a problem.
>> I've used espeakup on a Dell Lattitude C610 with a 700
>> MHz processor and 256 megabytes of RAM, and it performed beautifully.  I
>> used the eflite speech server for emacspeak on a Toshiba Tecra laptop
>> with a 166 MHz CPU and 64 megabytes of RAM.  Again, it performed like a
>> champ.  In fact, this was my working environment for most of 2005.
>> Software speech just isn't that resource intensive.  The only time it is
>> a problem is when the machine is under a painfully heavy load.
>>
>>> I thought I had a memory that early orca could drive dtlk, probably
>>> pre-speechdispatcher?
>> Orca used to be able to use emacspeak speech servers.  Hopefully it
>> still can.  Anyway, there's an Emacspeak speech server for the
>> Doubletalk.  It was part of the emacspeak-ss package on the old blinux
>> ftp site.  That site seems to be dead now, but I think Debian is still
>> distributing emacspeak-ss.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> -- Chris
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Tom Fowle]

Has anybody yet got round to upgrading Debian from Wheezie to Jessie while
using speakup and a hardware synth E.G. doubletalk PC?

If so were there any problems? Does jessie come up talking after the
upgrade?
thanks 
tom Fowle

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Gregory Nowak]

As I have stated before Tom, you shouldn't experience problems with your
doubletalk pc when upgrading to debian jessie. I am staying with
wheezy for the moment on all my boxes. I have decided to upgrade to
devuan jessie once it becomes stable, so will not be upgrading to
debian jessie as I said I would before.

However, if you don't get any positive responses, and if getting one
would make you feel better about the upgrade process, I can backup my
doubletalk pc box, and upgrade it to debian jessie to see how that
goes, and report back.

Greg


On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 08:55:43PM -0700, Tom Fowle wrote:
> Has anybody yet got round to upgrading Debian from Wheezie to Jessie while
> using speakup and a hardware synth E.G. doubletalk PC?
> 
> If so were there any problems? Does jessie come up talking after the
> upgrade?
> thanks 
> tom Fowle
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> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Tony Baechler]

Replies inline below.

On 7/31/2015 8:55 PM, Tom Fowle wrote:
> Has anybody yet got round to upgrading Debian from Wheezie to Jessie while
> using speakup and a hardware synth E.G. doubletalk PC?

Yes, I have upgraded my desktop machine.  Actually I was still running a 
Lenny, Squeeze and Wheezy hybrid, meaning I had packages from all three 
releases.  They are now all updated to Jessie or testing.

>
> If so were there any problems? Does jessie come up talking after the
> upgrade?


No, everything works fine.  I should say here that I'm still using kernel 
2.6.32 though.  I purposely didn't upgrade my kernel because I didn't want 
to lose hardware speech.  If you keep an old kernel, put a hold on the udev 
package and don't switch to systemd.

Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Tom Fowle]

Greg,
Don't want you to go  to trouble just cause I'm a bit of a chicken, (fowle)
<<GRIN>

You intrigue me with "Devuan", will have to find out about that.

thanks
Tom

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 11:27:56PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> As I have stated before Tom, you shouldn't experience problems with your
> doubletalk pc when upgrading to debian jessie. I am staying with
> wheezy for the moment on all my boxes. I have decided to upgrade to
> devuan jessie once it becomes stable, so will not be upgrading to
> debian jessie as I said I would before.
> 
> However, if you don't get any positive responses, and if getting one
> would make you feel better about the upgrade process, I can backup my
> doubletalk pc box, and upgrade it to debian jessie to see how that
> goes, and report back.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 08:55:43PM -0700, Tom Fowle wrote:
> > Has anybody yet got round to upgrading Debian from Wheezie to Jessie while
> > using speakup and a hardware synth E.G. doubletalk PC?
> > 
> > If so were there any problems? Does jessie come up talking after the
> > upgrade?
> > thanks 
> > tom Fowle
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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> If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts.
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Re: Debian upgrade to Jessie

[Tom Fowle]

Tony,
Thanks, I'll keep all that in mind.

As I think I understand, the newer kernels have a problem with serial ports,
not internal hardware synths.  I'm not enthusiastic about upgrading without
doing the entire thing, beyond my capabilities.
Thanks
tom

On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 02:37:19AM -0700, Tony Baechler wrote:
> Replies inline below.
> 
> On 7/31/2015 8:55 PM, Tom Fowle wrote:
> >Has anybody yet got round to upgrading Debian from Wheezie to Jessie while
> >using speakup and a hardware synth E.G. doubletalk PC?
> 
> Yes, I have upgraded my desktop machine.  Actually I was still
> running a Lenny, Squeeze and Wheezy hybrid, meaning I had packages
> from all three releases.  They are now all updated to Jessie or
> testing.
> 
> >
> >If so were there any problems? Does jessie come up talking after the
> >upgrade?
> 
> 
> No, everything works fine.  I should say here that I'm still using
> kernel 2.6.32 though.  I purposely didn't upgrade my kernel because
> I didn't want to lose hardware speech.  If you keep an old kernel,
> put a hold on the udev package and don't switch to systemd.
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup