Re: grub2 and sound/beep

Re: grub2 and sound/beep

[Samuel Thibault]

Dietmar Segbert, le Sat 21 Nov 2009 23:42:00 +0100, a écrit :
> on my asus eeepc 1005ha-m if have installed grml and the grub2 bootloader.
> 
> Can i add sound or beeps on this netbook in the grub.cfg of grub2?

There is a sound module in grub2 yes, I haven't yet checked out how to
use it, however.

Samuel

grub2 and sound/beep

[Dietmar Segbert]

Hello,

on my asus eeepc 1005ha-m if have installed grml and the grub2 bootloader.

Can i add sound or beeps on this netbook in the grub.cfg of grub2?

Regards

Dietmar

Re: grub2 and sound/beep

[Steve Holmes]

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The only thing I've done with grub to give it any sounds was to insert
a ^G (Ctrl-G) into the first item of my menu.lst so it would beep
whenever you moved the cursor over the first menu item.  We're still
using pre-2.0 grub on Arch now but would be anxious to know the
supposed advantages of grub2.  The last time I looked at grub2 under
Debian last year, the documentation was nearly non-existant.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:52:23PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Dietmar Segbert, le Sat 21 Nov 2009 23:42:00 +0100, a écrit :
> > on my asus eeepc 1005ha-m if have installed grml and the grub2 bootloader.
> > 
> > Can i add sound or beeps on this netbook in the grub.cfg of grub2?
> 
> There is a sound module in grub2 yes, I haven't yet checked out how to
> use it, however.
> 
> Samuel
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Re: grub2 and sound/beep

[John Heim]

	I agree that the documentation is insufficient. Furthermore, there  
isn't enough out there on google to be helpful yet. My experience with  
grub2 was not good. I had a menu.lst that beeped and had a serial  
console configured. I lost both when I switched to grub2. I think this  
is a serious bug because when you install grub2, it leaves old grub on  
the system and you're supposed to type some command to switch to grub2  
if grub2 is working. Well, I couldn't tell if grub2 was working. I  
switched to grub2 anyway and fortunately, my machine did boot. But it  
was an act of faith.



On Nov 22, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

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> The only thing I've done with grub to give it any sounds was to insert
> a ^G (Ctrl-G) into the first item of my menu.lst so it would beep
> whenever you moved the cursor over the first menu item.  We're still
> using pre-2.0 grub on Arch now but would be anxious to know the
> supposed advantages of grub2.  The last time I looked at grub2 under
> Debian last year, the documentation was nearly non-existant.
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:52:23PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> Dietmar Segbert, le Sat 21 Nov 2009 23:42:00 +0100, a écrit :
>>> on my asus eeepc 1005ha-m if have installed grml and the grub2  
>>> bootloader.
>>>
>>> Can i add sound or beeps on this netbook in the grub.cfg of grub2?
>>
>> There is a sound module in grub2 yes, I haven't yet checked out how  
>> to
>> use it, however.
>>
>> Samuel
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Re: grub2 and sound/beep

[Steve Holmes]

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So, are there any advantages in moving to grub2 at all? I did find an
Arch package for grub2; I downloaded but did not install it.  I opened
the package which is much a compressed tar ball of the package and
found only one info page.  There skeleton directories there for man
pages but no man page content.

At this point, I can't be convinced to switch.  There was no menu.lst
in the package; I did recognize some config files I recall seeing in
the original Debian package of the same.  But since this affects how
my machine will boot and I dual boot, I have to be really careful.  I
usually don't mind upgrading to latest versions of packages but
booting and having speech are crucial to me if ya know what I mean.

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:23:31AM -0600, John Heim wrote:
> 	I agree that the documentation is insufficient. Furthermore, there
> isn't enough out there on google to be helpful yet. My experience
> with grub2 was not good. I had a menu.lst that beeped and had a
> serial console configured. I lost both when I switched to grub2. I
> think this is a serious bug because when you install grub2, it
> leaves old grub on the system and you're supposed to type some
> command to switch to grub2 if grub2 is working. Well, I couldn't
> tell if grub2 was working. I switched to grub2 anyway and
> fortunately, my machine did boot. But it was an act of faith.
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 22, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
> 
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> >The only thing I've done with grub to give it any sounds was to insert
> >a ^G (Ctrl-G) into the first item of my menu.lst so it would beep
> >whenever you moved the cursor over the first menu item.  We're still
> >using pre-2.0 grub on Arch now but would be anxious to know the
> >supposed advantages of grub2.  The last time I looked at grub2 under
> >Debian last year, the documentation was nearly non-existant.
> >
> >On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:52:23PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >>Dietmar Segbert, le Sat 21 Nov 2009 23:42:00 +0100, a écrit :
> >>>on my asus eeepc 1005ha-m if have installed grml and the grub2
> >>>bootloader.
> >>>
> >>>Can i add sound or beeps on this netbook in the grub.cfg of grub2?
> >>
> >>There is a sound module in grub2 yes, I haven't yet checked out
> >>how to
> >>use it, however.
> >>
> >>Samuel
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Re: grub2 and sound/beep

[Jason White]

Steve Holmes  <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> wrote:
>
>So, are there any advantages in moving to grub2 at all? 

It installed perfectly well on my XFS root file system, whereas Grub legacy
didn't, although this may have been fixed by now.

Grub legacy is no longer maintained upstream, so it won't support newer file
systems or new features. This is why distributions are moving to Grub 2 by
default.

I made the switch several months ago and I'm glad it's done.

Re: grub2 and sound/beep

[Tony Baechler]

The below is incorrect. It is still being maintained until grub2 is out 
of beta and is considered stable. You're right about no new features, 
but from my memory of the page on gnu.org, it's still maintained for bug 
fixes. Also, I had no problem getting it to work with XFS. I haven't yet 
tried grub2, but I've read of several cases of systems becoming 
unbootable after the switch.

On 11/24/2009 7:36 PM, Jason White wrote:
> Grub legacy is no longer maintained upstream, so it won't support 
> newer file
> systems or new features. This is why distributions are moving to Grub 2 by
> default.
>    

Re: grub2 and sound/beep

[Steve Holmes]

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My biggest complaint at the time when I looked at grub2 was that the
documentation was so lacking.  I really couldn't hardly figure out how
to use the new environment.  One example right off the top is there is
no menu.lst included.  I dunno if that gets generated down line via
configuration and setups or what.  I don't think the docs had
descriptions for many of the binaries that come with grub2 either.  My
only grub experience so far is mainly updating menu.lst and when I
used to be on debian, I got a little familiar with the grub config
files in /etc but other than that, I really don't know much of what
I'm doing in grub if I had to build the menu.lst from scratch and
ensure I can still boot my computer into either platform.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 01:34:13AM -0800, Tony Baechler wrote:
> The below is incorrect. It is still being maintained until grub2 is
> out of beta and is considered stable. You're right about no new
> features, but from my memory of the page on gnu.org, it's still
> maintained for bug fixes. Also, I had no problem getting it to work
> with XFS. I haven't yet tried grub2, but I've read of several cases
> of systems becoming unbootable after the switch.
> 
> On 11/24/2009 7:36 PM, Jason White wrote:
> >Grub legacy is no longer maintained upstream, so it won't support
> >newer file
> >systems or new features. This is why distributions are moving to Grub 2 by
> >default.
> 
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Re: grub2 and sound/beep

[Glenn Ervin]

I am using Grub 2 on my Ubuntu 9.10, and I cannot figure out how to get the 
beep inserted.
I used to put a control-G in front of the lines, but the grub.cfg file will 
not take a change.  You have to use the custom_40 file, and there are no 
such lines for editing.
Glenn
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Subject: Re: grub2 and sound/beep


The below is incorrect. It is still being maintained until grub2 is out
of beta and is considered stable. You're right about no new features,
but from my memory of the page on gnu.org, it's still maintained for bug
fixes. Also, I had no problem getting it to work with XFS. I haven't yet
tried grub2, but I've read of several cases of systems becoming
unbootable after the switch.

On 11/24/2009 7:36 PM, Jason White wrote:
> Grub legacy is no longer maintained upstream, so it won't support
> newer file
> systems or new features. This is why distributions are moving to Grub 2 by
> default.
>

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Re: grub2 and sound/beep

[Glenn Ervin]

You don't use a menu.lst file any more.
You can edit the custom_40 file, and that will add items into the grub.cfg 
file.
Also, I used:
grub-set-default 4
to make the boot option the 5th item in the list, but it did not work for 
me.
So I have to say that the new grub is difficult to use.
Glenn
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Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: grub2 and sound/beep


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My biggest complaint at the time when I looked at grub2 was that the
documentation was so lacking.  I really couldn't hardly figure out how
to use the new environment.  One example right off the top is there is
no menu.lst included.  I dunno if that gets generated down line via
configuration and setups or what.  I don't think the docs had
descriptions for many of the binaries that come with grub2 either.  My
only grub experience so far is mainly updating menu.lst and when I
used to be on debian, I got a little familiar with the grub config
files in /etc but other than that, I really don't know much of what
I'm doing in grub if I had to build the menu.lst from scratch and
ensure I can still boot my computer into either platform.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 01:34:13AM -0800, Tony Baechler wrote:
> The below is incorrect. It is still being maintained until grub2 is
> out of beta and is considered stable. You're right about no new
> features, but from my memory of the page on gnu.org, it's still
> maintained for bug fixes. Also, I had no problem getting it to work
> with XFS. I haven't yet tried grub2, but I've read of several cases
> of systems becoming unbootable after the switch.
>
> On 11/24/2009 7:36 PM, Jason White wrote:
> >Grub legacy is no longer maintained upstream, so it won't support
> >newer file
> >systems or new features. This is why distributions are moving to Grub 2 
> >by
> >default.
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: grub2 and sound/beep

[John G. Heim]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason White" <jason@jasonjgw.net>
> It installed perfectly well on my XFS root file system, whereas Grub 
> legacy
> didn't, although this may have been fixed by now.
>
> Grub legacy is no longer maintained upstream, so it won't support newer 
> file
> systems or new features. This is why distributions are moving to Grub 2 by
> default.
>
> I made the switch several months ago and I'm glad it's done.
>


Yeah, it installed on my ancient laptop too. But did you get a serial 
console or a beeping menu? If you have figured out to get the accessibility 
features working, let us know.

Re: grub2 and sound/beep

[Steve Holmes]

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Accessibility features? You mean there are special features in grub2
for accessibility? If so, what are they.  I didn't recall seeing
anything in the scronnie documentation available for grub2.

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 04:06:12PM -0600, John G. Heim wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason White"
> <jason@jasonjgw.net>
> >It installed perfectly well on my XFS root file system, whereas
> >Grub legacy
> >didn't, although this may have been fixed by now.
> >
> >Grub legacy is no longer maintained upstream, so it won't support
> >newer file
> >systems or new features. This is why distributions are moving to Grub 2 by
> >default.
> >
> >I made the switch several months ago and I'm glad it's done.
> >
> 
> 
> Yeah, it installed on my ancient laptop too. But did you get a
> serial console or a beeping menu? If you have figured out to get the
> accessibility features working, let us know.
> 
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Re: grub2 and sound/beep

[John G. Heim]

No, I am not saying there are accessibility features in grub2. And to tell 
you the truth, I am at something of a loss as to how you could read that 
into what I said.

Anyway, I don't know if it's possible to configure grub2 to display the boot 
menu via a serial console. As I said in an earlier message, I lost that 
feature when I upgraded my laptop to grub2. I also lost the beep I'd put 
into the menu.lst file. There is no menu.lst file under grub2.

On the other hand, I wouldn't assume that it's impossible to configure those 
things under grub2. It may simply be undocumented. I doubt that there was 
anything in the old grub docs on how to make a menu item beep when you 
cursored over it. Yet, that was obviously possible. And I'd be shocked if 
there isn't some way to configure grub2 to display the boot menu over a 
serial console. It seems to me that that's a feature that would have wide 
enough appeal that the developers would have included it in grub 2.


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Subject: Re: grub2 and sound/beep


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> Accessibility features? You mean there are special features in grub2
> for accessibility? If so, what are they.  I didn't recall seeing
> anything in the scronnie documentation available for grub2.
>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 04:06:12PM -0600, John G. Heim wrote:
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason White"
>> <jason@jasonjgw.net>
>> >It installed perfectly well on my XFS root file system, whereas
>> >Grub legacy
>> >didn't, although this may have been fixed by now.
>> >
>> >Grub legacy is no longer maintained upstream, so it won't support
>> >newer file
>> >systems or new features. This is why distributions are moving to Grub 2 
>> >by
>> >default.
>> >
>> >I made the switch several months ago and I'm glad it's done.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Yeah, it installed on my ancient laptop too. But did you get a
>> serial console or a beeping menu? If you have figured out to get the
>> accessibility features working, let us know.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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