wb web browser

wb web browser

[Doug Smith]

Hi, everyone.  I have recently heard about a javascript/ajax capable browser somehow associated with the speakup project.  I cannot find out anything 
about it on the web, but i am wondering if it would be ok to ask for some information.  

You don't know how much this will help me out.  If this works, I will soon be free from the evils of the graphical world.  You don't know what a 
blessing this will be.  I have a few questions I need to ask about this browser before I remove my gnome desktop and the rest of what goes with it and 
have to try to reinstall.  

1. Do you have distribution-specific packages available for wb? I am using debian testing and everything that works in the console is working like a 
dream on here, but the desktop screenreader is out.  

2. What all kinds of media and whatever can this browser handle? 

3. Is wb as capable of handling imbedded multimedia as, for example, firefox or something like that? 

4. What about multimedia streams like radio stations and the like? 

5. Does wb use helper programs like vlc or mplayer to handle all the different kinds of media that can be found on the web?

6. Does it have integration for starting mutt on mailto links on web sites? 

7. How well does wb work with speakup? 

8. Is the interface more like w3m which I am really familiar with or does it resemble some other browser such as links or lynx, the cat or whatever?

9. I hope wb will have some way to keep all those nose-pieces that run the web sites from trying to track the movements on their sites.  I don't 
personally think they have the right to people's browsing habits.

10 Can wb be used with surfraw as the browser used when you do a, for example, 

google fusion reactor

Will wb come up as the browser for this search?

11. If wb is not in a stable version yet, do you have an expected time frame for when it will be? 

12. If wb is in a currently stable release, where can I get it? 

Thank all of you for any information you can give me.  I just heard about this a few days ago and have been on a quest for it ever since.  I hope to 
have it on here and working as soon as possible.  I hope to see wb packaged for various distributions as soon as possible so that others can enjoy the 
freedom to, as the song says, "Say goodbye to guiwood." 



Thanks. 




-- 
Doug Smith: Special Agent
S.W.A.T  Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology
Forever serving our LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST.

Re: wb web browser

[Brandon McGinty-Carroll]

Responses are below.
Kirk, if you read this, feel free to correct me as needed.

Brandon McGinty-Carroll

On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 11:47:54AM -0400, Doug Smith wrote:
> Hi, everyone.  I have recently heard about a javascript/ajax capable browser somehow associated with the speakup project.  I cannot find out anything 
> about it on the web, but i am wondering if it would be ok to ask for some information.  
Ask away.
> 
> You don't know how much this will help me out.  If this works, I will soon be free from the evils of the graphical world.  You don't know what a 
> blessing this will be.  I have a few questions I need to ask about this browser before I remove my gnome desktop and the rest of what goes with it and 
> have to try to reinstall.  
First, don't remove Gnome, GDM, or the like.
This solution isn't going to fix you right up, and I'd hate to put you in the position of not being able to access what you need to.
The old project was called wb. It was a hand-crafted monstrosity, running Google's JS engin, and a python-based HTML parser.
Imagine trying to catch an eliphant in a butterfly net. That was what wb was trying to do with the web.
It worked, but not for the needed sites.
Let's not relive those days, shall we?
The new browser is called Clifox.
It is a layer between your text-based console and the firefox web-browser.
Firefox runs via xvfb, and runs a plugin called MozRepl, that gives access to Firefoxes internal structure.
> 
> 1. Do you have distribution-specific packages available for wb? I am using debian testing and everything that works in the console is working like a 
> dream on here, but the desktop screenreader is out.  
Sounds familiar. I've got GUI issues you wouldn't want to believe on this debian stable machine.
We don't have OS specific packages as of now. We've got a shell script that installs the browser.
> 
> 2. What all kinds of media and whatever can this browser handle? 
Currently, it handles webpages, no more, no less.
When I get someone with a working copy of Orca and a GUI, we'll figure out how to get a CLI copy of flash installed, and what we need to do to play other media types.
> 
> 3. Is wb as capable of handling imbedded multimedia as, for example, firefox or something like that? 
See above.
> 
> 4. What about multimedia streams like radio stations and the like? 
See above. If firefox can do it, clifox should be able to, given a way to install multimedia plugins without an interactive GUI installer.
> 
> 5. Does wb use helper programs like vlc or mplayer to handle all the different kinds of media that can be found on the web?
See above.
> 
> 6. Does it have integration for starting mutt on mailto links on web sites? 
It does not currently, though there is code for content-type detection and mailcap usage.
> 
> 7. How well does wb work with speakup? 
It's cli based, so as well as can be expected. We need to add in highlighting for better cursor tracking.
> 
> 8. Is the interface more like w3m which I am really familiar with or does it resemble some other browser such as links or lynx, the cat or whatever?
If you have used windows, it is an attempt to emulate browsers on that platform.
Images and links are positioned on new lines; keystrokes will be used to move from element to element.
W3M is _probably the closest in my opinion.
> 
> 9. I hope wb will have some way to keep all those nose-pieces that run the web sites from trying to track the movements on their sites.  I don't 
> personally think they have the right to people's browsing habits.
We can do only what Firefox allows for privacy.
However, feel free to add functionality as you need it.
> 
> 10 Can wb be used with surfraw as the browser used when you do a, for example, 
> 
> google fusion reactor
> 
> Will wb come up as the browser for this search?
> 
Probably not. We use NCurses as our GUI toolkit, and I haven't enabled other modes of webpage output.
The surfraw project looks awesome, though. Hadn't heard of it before.
Again, feel free to add features, or pay me to add them.
I happily accept bribes, or coffee. Large amounts of coffee.
> 11. If wb is not in a stable version yet, do you have an expected time frame for when it will be? 
Time frames are nasty things to commit to, especially with something this large.
Development is ongoing.
Feel free to pull changes from git, and poke and prod me as needed.
Kirk Reiser has also been developing Clifox.
> 
> 12. If wb is in a currently stable release, where can I get it? 
It isn't "stable,", but feel free to give it a shot.
You will need git and python2.6+.
git clone http://bmcginty.hopto.org/clifox.git
Be warned.
Because of the configuration that Clifox uses, your current Firefox profiles will be erased.
I will work on this soonest, as I can see it becoming quite an issue.
Your settings/cookies/passwords Will Be Completely Gone, Forever.
Begging nor bribes will get them back.
Backup your ~/.mozilla directory before running the install.sh script!
> 
> Thank all of you for any information you can give me.  I just heard about this a few days ago and have been on a quest for it ever since.  I hope to 
> have it on here and working as soon as possible.  I hope to see wb packaged for various distributions as soon as possible so that others can enjoy the 
> freedom to, as the song says, "Say goodbye to guiwood." 
That's the goal for sure.
In the long run, though, I'd love to see GUI's get fast enough so that we can mainstream our software usage.

> 
> 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Doug Smith: Special Agent
> S.W.A.T  Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology
> Forever serving our LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST.
> 
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RE: wb web browser

[Don Raikes]

Brian,

Sounds like a great start.  I also am looking for such a solution.

I am working on my own version of debian rescue with some additional tweaks, so knowing that I should include gnome/gdm and then install Clifox is good to know.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon McGinty-Carroll [mailto:bmmcginty@bmcginty.hopto.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:51 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: wb web browser

Responses are below.
Kirk, if you read this, feel free to correct me as needed.

Brandon McGinty-Carroll

On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 11:47:54AM -0400, Doug Smith wrote:
> Hi, everyone.  I have recently heard about a javascript/ajax capable 
> browser somehow associated with the speakup project.  I cannot find out anything about it on the web, but i am wondering if it would be ok to ask for some information.
Ask away.
> 
> You don't know how much this will help me out.  If this works, I will 
> soon be free from the evils of the graphical world.  You don't know 
> what a blessing this will be.  I have a few questions I need to ask about this browser before I remove my gnome desktop and the rest of what goes with it and have to try to reinstall.
First, don't remove Gnome, GDM, or the like.
This solution isn't going to fix you right up, and I'd hate to put you in the position of not being able to access what you need to.
The old project was called wb. It was a hand-crafted monstrosity, running Google's JS engin, and a python-based HTML parser.
Imagine trying to catch an eliphant in a butterfly net. That was what wb was trying to do with the web.
It worked, but not for the needed sites.
Let's not relive those days, shall we?
The new browser is called Clifox.
It is a layer between your text-based console and the firefox web-browser.
Firefox runs via xvfb, and runs a plugin called MozRepl, that gives access to Firefoxes internal structure.
> 
> 1. Do you have distribution-specific packages available for wb? I am 
> using debian testing and everything that works in the console is working like a dream on here, but the desktop screenreader is out.
Sounds familiar. I've got GUI issues you wouldn't want to believe on this debian stable machine.
We don't have OS specific packages as of now. We've got a shell script that installs the browser.
> 
> 2. What all kinds of media and whatever can this browser handle? 
Currently, it handles webpages, no more, no less.
When I get someone with a working copy of Orca and a GUI, we'll figure out how to get a CLI copy of flash installed, and what we need to do to play other media types.
> 
> 3. Is wb as capable of handling imbedded multimedia as, for example, firefox or something like that? 
See above.
> 
> 4. What about multimedia streams like radio stations and the like? 
See above. If firefox can do it, clifox should be able to, given a way to install multimedia plugins without an interactive GUI installer.
> 
> 5. Does wb use helper programs like vlc or mplayer to handle all the different kinds of media that can be found on the web?
See above.
> 
> 6. Does it have integration for starting mutt on mailto links on web sites? 
It does not currently, though there is code for content-type detection and mailcap usage.
> 
> 7. How well does wb work with speakup? 
It's cli based, so as well as can be expected. We need to add in highlighting for better cursor tracking.
> 
> 8. Is the interface more like w3m which I am really familiar with or does it resemble some other browser such as links or lynx, the cat or whatever?
If you have used windows, it is an attempt to emulate browsers on that platform.
Images and links are positioned on new lines; keystrokes will be used to move from element to element.
W3M is _probably the closest in my opinion.
> 
> 9. I hope wb will have some way to keep all those nose-pieces that run 
> the web sites from trying to track the movements on their sites.  I don't personally think they have the right to people's browsing habits.
We can do only what Firefox allows for privacy.
However, feel free to add functionality as you need it.
> 
> 10 Can wb be used with surfraw as the browser used when you do a, for 
> example,
> 
> google fusion reactor
> 
> Will wb come up as the browser for this search?
> 
Probably not. We use NCurses as our GUI toolkit, and I haven't enabled other modes of webpage output.
The surfraw project looks awesome, though. Hadn't heard of it before.
Again, feel free to add features, or pay me to add them.
I happily accept bribes, or coffee. Large amounts of coffee.
> 11. If wb is not in a stable version yet, do you have an expected time frame for when it will be? 
Time frames are nasty things to commit to, especially with something this large.
Development is ongoing.
Feel free to pull changes from git, and poke and prod me as needed.
Kirk Reiser has also been developing Clifox.
> 
> 12. If wb is in a currently stable release, where can I get it? 
It isn't "stable,", but feel free to give it a shot.
You will need git and python2.6+.
git clone http://bmcginty.hopto.org/clifox.git
Be warned.
Because of the configuration that Clifox uses, your current Firefox profiles will be erased.
I will work on this soonest, as I can see it becoming quite an issue.
Your settings/cookies/passwords Will Be Completely Gone, Forever.
Begging nor bribes will get them back.
Backup your ~/.mozilla directory before running the install.sh script!
> 
> Thank all of you for any information you can give me.  I just heard 
> about this a few days ago and have been on a quest for it ever since.  
> I hope to have it on here and working as soon as possible.  I hope to see wb packaged for various distributions as soon as possible so that others can enjoy the freedom to, as the song says, "Say goodbye to guiwood."
That's the goal for sure.
In the long run, though, I'd love to see GUI's get fast enough so that we can mainstream our software usage.

> 
> 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Doug Smith: Special Agent
> S.W.A.T  Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology Forever serving our 
> LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST.
> 
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RE: wb web browser

[Kirk Reiser]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Don Raikes wrote:

so knowing that I should include gnome/gdm and then install Clifox is good to know.

You currently only need to have xvfb installed along with python to
use clifox. The installation script will pull down and install the
most recent nightly build of firefox.

There is a mailing list wb-subscribe@linux-speakup.org will get you
added to the list.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandon McGinty-Carroll [mailto:bmmcginty@bmcginty.hopto.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:51 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: wb web browser
>
> Responses are below.
> Kirk, if you read this, feel free to correct me as needed.
>
> Brandon McGinty-Carroll
>
> On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 11:47:54AM -0400, Doug Smith wrote:
>> Hi, everyone.  I have recently heard about a javascript/ajax capable
>> browser somehow associated with the speakup project.  I cannot find out anything about it on the web, but i am wondering if it would be ok to ask for some information.
> Ask away.
>>
>> You don't know how much this will help me out.  If this works, I will
>> soon be free from the evils of the graphical world.  You don't know
>> what a blessing this will be.  I have a few questions I need to ask about this browser before I remove my gnome desktop and the rest of what goes with it and have to try to reinstall.
> First, don't remove Gnome, GDM, or the like.
> This solution isn't going to fix you right up, and I'd hate to put you in the position of not being able to access what you need to.
> The old project was called wb. It was a hand-crafted monstrosity, running Google's JS engin, and a python-based HTML parser.
> Imagine trying to catch an eliphant in a butterfly net. That was what wb was trying to do with the web.
> It worked, but not for the needed sites.
> Let's not relive those days, shall we?
> The new browser is called Clifox.
> It is a layer between your text-based console and the firefox web-browser.
> Firefox runs via xvfb, and runs a plugin called MozRepl, that gives access to Firefoxes internal structure.
>>
>> 1. Do you have distribution-specific packages available for wb? I am
>> using debian testing and everything that works in the console is working like a dream on here, but the desktop screenreader is out.
> Sounds familiar. I've got GUI issues you wouldn't want to believe on this debian stable machine.
> We don't have OS specific packages as of now. We've got a shell script that installs the browser.
>>
>> 2. What all kinds of media and whatever can this browser handle?
> Currently, it handles webpages, no more, no less.
> When I get someone with a working copy of Orca and a GUI, we'll figure out how to get a CLI copy of flash installed, and what we need to do to play other media types.
>>
>> 3. Is wb as capable of handling imbedded multimedia as, for example, firefox or something like that?
> See above.
>>
>> 4. What about multimedia streams like radio stations and the like?
> See above. If firefox can do it, clifox should be able to, given a way to install multimedia plugins without an interactive GUI installer.
>>
>> 5. Does wb use helper programs like vlc or mplayer to handle all the different kinds of media that can be found on the web?
> See above.
>>
>> 6. Does it have integration for starting mutt on mailto links on web sites?
> It does not currently, though there is code for content-type detection and mailcap usage.
>>
>> 7. How well does wb work with speakup?
> It's cli based, so as well as can be expected. We need to add in highlighting for better cursor tracking.
>>
>> 8. Is the interface more like w3m which I am really familiar with or does it resemble some other browser such as links or lynx, the cat or whatever?
> If you have used windows, it is an attempt to emulate browsers on that platform.
> Images and links are positioned on new lines; keystrokes will be used to move from element to element.
> W3M is _probably the closest in my opinion.
>>
>> 9. I hope wb will have some way to keep all those nose-pieces that run
>> the web sites from trying to track the movements on their sites.  I don't personally think they have the right to people's browsing habits.
> We can do only what Firefox allows for privacy.
> However, feel free to add functionality as you need it.
>>
>> 10 Can wb be used with surfraw as the browser used when you do a, for
>> example,
>>
>> google fusion reactor
>>
>> Will wb come up as the browser for this search?
>>
> Probably not. We use NCurses as our GUI toolkit, and I haven't enabled other modes of webpage output.
> The surfraw project looks awesome, though. Hadn't heard of it before.
> Again, feel free to add features, or pay me to add them.
> I happily accept bribes, or coffee. Large amounts of coffee.
>> 11. If wb is not in a stable version yet, do you have an expected time frame for when it will be?
> Time frames are nasty things to commit to, especially with something this large.
> Development is ongoing.
> Feel free to pull changes from git, and poke and prod me as needed.
> Kirk Reiser has also been developing Clifox.
>>
>> 12. If wb is in a currently stable release, where can I get it?
> It isn't "stable,", but feel free to give it a shot.
> You will need git and python2.6+.
> git clone http://bmcginty.hopto.org/clifox.git
> Be warned.
> Because of the configuration that Clifox uses, your current Firefox profiles will be erased.
> I will work on this soonest, as I can see it becoming quite an issue.
> Your settings/cookies/passwords Will Be Completely Gone, Forever.
> Begging nor bribes will get them back.
> Backup your ~/.mozilla directory before running the install.sh script!
>>
>> Thank all of you for any information you can give me.  I just heard
>> about this a few days ago and have been on a quest for it ever since.
>> I hope to have it on here and working as soon as possible.  I hope to see wb packaged for various distributions as soon as possible so that others can enjoy the freedom to, as the song says, "Say goodbye to guiwood."
> That's the goal for sure.
> In the long run, though, I'd love to see GUI's get fast enough so that we can mainstream our software usage.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Doug Smith: Special Agent
>> S.W.A.T  Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology Forever serving our
>> LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: wb web browser

[Doug Smith]

Ok, we're headed in the right direction here.  What are you calling mainstreaming our software.  If this means using a gui, I don't want to continue 
doing this.  I hope to get back to the cli only.  

I heard someone tell me that "we have had the command line since day 1 and we have been trying to get away from it since day 2." If this is the case, 
I have been trying to get back to it since day 2.5.  I just like the command line better.  It's more natural to me and it's more like how you should 
use a computer.  Just tell it what you want it to do and it will do it.  No tabbing, shift tabbing, alt tabbing and control-f ing to get the computer 
to do what one wants it to do.  

This is one of the most wonderful things I have heard yet.  I hope some day to have the choice to use my computer with only a command line interface 
and still have the access I have to the same information everyone else does.  The only other thing I can think of is to try to get some space on a 
machine somewhere and build a program that will fetch the desired content from a site, run all the scripting and prepare the multimedia that's in it, 
and send it to the browser.  

I never have used windows a day in my life, so I don't know how browsers on there handle content.  

Thanks for the info, I have to get ready to go to Bible school right now, but I would like to hear more about this as soon as possible.  



Thank you.  




-- 
Doug Smith: Special Agent
S.W.A.T  Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology
Forever serving our LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST.

Re: wb web browser

[covici]

If I am using another frame buffer, will this prevent me from installing
the xvfd?  Also, I have firefox already on the system, what will happen
if I try to install clifox?  Also, what is the URL to get clifox?


Kirk Reiser <kirk@reisers.ca> wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Don Raikes wrote:
> 
> so knowing that I should include gnome/gdm and then install Clifox is good to know.
> 
> You currently only need to have xvfb installed along with python to
> use clifox. The installation script will pull down and install the
> most recent nightly build of firefox.
> 
> There is a mailing list wb-subscribe@linux-speakup.org will get you
> added to the list.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brandon McGinty-Carroll [mailto:bmmcginty@bmcginty.hopto.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:51 PM
> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> > Subject: Re: wb web browser
> >
> > Responses are below.
> > Kirk, if you read this, feel free to correct me as needed.
> >
> > Brandon McGinty-Carroll
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 11:47:54AM -0400, Doug Smith wrote:
> >> Hi, everyone.  I have recently heard about a javascript/ajax capable
> >> browser somehow associated with the speakup project.  I cannot find out anything about it on the web, but i am wondering if it would be ok to ask for some information.
> > Ask away.
> >>
> >> You don't know how much this will help me out.  If this works, I will
> >> soon be free from the evils of the graphical world.  You don't know
> >> what a blessing this will be.  I have a few questions I need to ask about this browser before I remove my gnome desktop and the rest of what goes with it and have to try to reinstall.
> > First, don't remove Gnome, GDM, or the like.
> > This solution isn't going to fix you right up, and I'd hate to put you in the position of not being able to access what you need to.
> > The old project was called wb. It was a hand-crafted monstrosity, running Google's JS engin, and a python-based HTML parser.
> > Imagine trying to catch an eliphant in a butterfly net. That was what wb was trying to do with the web.
> > It worked, but not for the needed sites.
> > Let's not relive those days, shall we?
> > The new browser is called Clifox.
> > It is a layer between your text-based console and the firefox web-browser.
> > Firefox runs via xvfb, and runs a plugin called MozRepl, that gives access to Firefoxes internal structure.
> >>
> >> 1. Do you have distribution-specific packages available for wb? I am
> >> using debian testing and everything that works in the console is working like a dream on here, but the desktop screenreader is out.
> > Sounds familiar. I've got GUI issues you wouldn't want to believe on this debian stable machine.
> > We don't have OS specific packages as of now. We've got a shell script that installs the browser.
> >>
> >> 2. What all kinds of media and whatever can this browser handle?
> > Currently, it handles webpages, no more, no less.
> > When I get someone with a working copy of Orca and a GUI, we'll figure out how to get a CLI copy of flash installed, and what we need to do to play other media types.
> >>
> >> 3. Is wb as capable of handling imbedded multimedia as, for example, firefox or something like that?
> > See above.
> >>
> >> 4. What about multimedia streams like radio stations and the like?
> > See above. If firefox can do it, clifox should be able to, given a way to install multimedia plugins without an interactive GUI installer.
> >>
> >> 5. Does wb use helper programs like vlc or mplayer to handle all the different kinds of media that can be found on the web?
> > See above.
> >>
> >> 6. Does it have integration for starting mutt on mailto links on web sites?
> > It does not currently, though there is code for content-type detection and mailcap usage.
> >>
> >> 7. How well does wb work with speakup?
> > It's cli based, so as well as can be expected. We need to add in highlighting for better cursor tracking.
> >>
> >> 8. Is the interface more like w3m which I am really familiar with or does it resemble some other browser such as links or lynx, the cat or whatever?
> > If you have used windows, it is an attempt to emulate browsers on that platform.
> > Images and links are positioned on new lines; keystrokes will be used to move from element to element.
> > W3M is _probably the closest in my opinion.
> >>
> >> 9. I hope wb will have some way to keep all those nose-pieces that run
> >> the web sites from trying to track the movements on their sites.  I don't personally think they have the right to people's browsing habits.
> > We can do only what Firefox allows for privacy.
> > However, feel free to add functionality as you need it.
> >>
> >> 10 Can wb be used with surfraw as the browser used when you do a, for
> >> example,
> >>
> >> google fusion reactor
> >>
> >> Will wb come up as the browser for this search?
> >>
> > Probably not. We use NCurses as our GUI toolkit, and I haven't enabled other modes of webpage output.
> > The surfraw project looks awesome, though. Hadn't heard of it before.
> > Again, feel free to add features, or pay me to add them.
> > I happily accept bribes, or coffee. Large amounts of coffee.
> >> 11. If wb is not in a stable version yet, do you have an expected time frame for when it will be?
> > Time frames are nasty things to commit to, especially with something this large.
> > Development is ongoing.
> > Feel free to pull changes from git, and poke and prod me as needed.
> > Kirk Reiser has also been developing Clifox.
> >>
> >> 12. If wb is in a currently stable release, where can I get it?
> > It isn't "stable,", but feel free to give it a shot.
> > You will need git and python2.6+.
> > git clone http://bmcginty.hopto.org/clifox.git
> > Be warned.
> > Because of the configuration that Clifox uses, your current Firefox profiles will be erased.
> > I will work on this soonest, as I can see it becoming quite an issue.
> > Your settings/cookies/passwords Will Be Completely Gone, Forever.
> > Begging nor bribes will get them back.
> > Backup your ~/.mozilla directory before running the install.sh script!
> >>
> >> Thank all of you for any information you can give me.  I just heard
> >> about this a few days ago and have been on a quest for it ever since.
> >> I hope to have it on here and working as soon as possible.  I hope to see wb packaged for various distributions as soon as possible so that others can enjoy the freedom to, as the song says, "Say goodbye to guiwood."
> > That's the goal for sure.
> > In the long run, though, I'd love to see GUI's get fast enough so that we can mainstream our software usage.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: wb web browser

[Kirk Reiser]

John: Read Brandon's response to Doug in a previous message. I suspect
you can use your current X but I don't think you want to run with your
current firefox installed. See Brandon's message for details.

On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:

> If I am using another frame buffer, will this prevent me from installing
> the xvfd?  Also, I have firefox already on the system, what will happen
> if I try to install clifox?  Also, what is the URL to get clifox?
>
>
> Kirk Reiser <kirk@reisers.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Don Raikes wrote:
>>
>> so knowing that I should include gnome/gdm and then install Clifox is good to know.
>>
>> You currently only need to have xvfb installed along with python to
>> use clifox. The installation script will pull down and install the
>> most recent nightly build of firefox.
>>
>> There is a mailing list wb-subscribe@linux-speakup.org will get you
>> added to the list.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brandon McGinty-Carroll [mailto:bmmcginty@bmcginty.hopto.org]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:51 PM
>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>> Subject: Re: wb web browser
>>>
>>> Responses are below.
>>> Kirk, if you read this, feel free to correct me as needed.
>>>
>>> Brandon McGinty-Carroll
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 11:47:54AM -0400, Doug Smith wrote:
>>>> Hi, everyone.  I have recently heard about a javascript/ajax capable
>>>> browser somehow associated with the speakup project.  I cannot find out anything about it on the web, but i am wondering if it would be ok to ask for some information.
>>> Ask away.
>>>>
>>>> You don't know how much this will help me out.  If this works, I will
>>>> soon be free from the evils of the graphical world.  You don't know
>>>> what a blessing this will be.  I have a few questions I need to ask about this browser before I remove my gnome desktop and the rest of what goes with it and have to try to reinstall.
>>> First, don't remove Gnome, GDM, or the like.
>>> This solution isn't going to fix you right up, and I'd hate to put you in the position of not being able to access what you need to.
>>> The old project was called wb. It was a hand-crafted monstrosity, running Google's JS engin, and a python-based HTML parser.
>>> Imagine trying to catch an eliphant in a butterfly net. That was what wb was trying to do with the web.
>>> It worked, but not for the needed sites.
>>> Let's not relive those days, shall we?
>>> The new browser is called Clifox.
>>> It is a layer between your text-based console and the firefox web-browser.
>>> Firefox runs via xvfb, and runs a plugin called MozRepl, that gives access to Firefoxes internal structure.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Do you have distribution-specific packages available for wb? I am
>>>> using debian testing and everything that works in the console is working like a dream on here, but the desktop screenreader is out.
>>> Sounds familiar. I've got GUI issues you wouldn't want to believe on this debian stable machine.
>>> We don't have OS specific packages as of now. We've got a shell script that installs the browser.
>>>>
>>>> 2. What all kinds of media and whatever can this browser handle?
>>> Currently, it handles webpages, no more, no less.
>>> When I get someone with a working copy of Orca and a GUI, we'll figure out how to get a CLI copy of flash installed, and what we need to do to play other media types.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Is wb as capable of handling imbedded multimedia as, for example, firefox or something like that?
>>> See above.
>>>>
>>>> 4. What about multimedia streams like radio stations and the like?
>>> See above. If firefox can do it, clifox should be able to, given a way to install multimedia plugins without an interactive GUI installer.
>>>>
>>>> 5. Does wb use helper programs like vlc or mplayer to handle all the different kinds of media that can be found on the web?
>>> See above.
>>>>
>>>> 6. Does it have integration for starting mutt on mailto links on web sites?
>>> It does not currently, though there is code for content-type detection and mailcap usage.
>>>>
>>>> 7. How well does wb work with speakup?
>>> It's cli based, so as well as can be expected. We need to add in highlighting for better cursor tracking.
>>>>
>>>> 8. Is the interface more like w3m which I am really familiar with or does it resemble some other browser such as links or lynx, the cat or whatever?
>>> If you have used windows, it is an attempt to emulate browsers on that platform.
>>> Images and links are positioned on new lines; keystrokes will be used to move from element to element.
>>> W3M is _probably the closest in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> 9. I hope wb will have some way to keep all those nose-pieces that run
>>>> the web sites from trying to track the movements on their sites.  I don't personally think they have the right to people's browsing habits.
>>> We can do only what Firefox allows for privacy.
>>> However, feel free to add functionality as you need it.
>>>>
>>>> 10 Can wb be used with surfraw as the browser used when you do a, for
>>>> example,
>>>>
>>>> google fusion reactor
>>>>
>>>> Will wb come up as the browser for this search?
>>>>
>>> Probably not. We use NCurses as our GUI toolkit, and I haven't enabled other modes of webpage output.
>>> The surfraw project looks awesome, though. Hadn't heard of it before.
>>> Again, feel free to add features, or pay me to add them.
>>> I happily accept bribes, or coffee. Large amounts of coffee.
>>>> 11. If wb is not in a stable version yet, do you have an expected time frame for when it will be?
>>> Time frames are nasty things to commit to, especially with something this large.
>>> Development is ongoing.
>>> Feel free to pull changes from git, and poke and prod me as needed.
>>> Kirk Reiser has also been developing Clifox.
>>>>
>>>> 12. If wb is in a currently stable release, where can I get it?
>>> It isn't "stable,", but feel free to give it a shot.
>>> You will need git and python2.6+.
>>> git clone http://bmcginty.hopto.org/clifox.git
>>> Be warned.
>>> Because of the configuration that Clifox uses, your current Firefox profiles will be erased.
>>> I will work on this soonest, as I can see it becoming quite an issue.
>>> Your settings/cookies/passwords Will Be Completely Gone, Forever.
>>> Begging nor bribes will get them back.
>>> Backup your ~/.mozilla directory before running the install.sh script!
>>>>
>>>> Thank all of you for any information you can give me.  I just heard
>>>> about this a few days ago and have been on a quest for it ever since.
>>>> I hope to have it on here and working as soon as possible.  I hope to see wb packaged for various distributions as soon as possible so that others can enjoy the freedom to, as the song says, "Say goodbye to guiwood."
>>> That's the goal for sure.
>>> In the long run, though, I'd love to see GUI's get fast enough so that we can mainstream our software usage.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Doug Smith: Special Agent
>>>> S.W.A.T  Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology Forever serving our
>>>> LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST.
>>>>
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