Mlbviewer

Mlbviewer

[Cheryl Homiak]

Is anybody else using mlbviewer? If so, is anybody else having a problem? 
When I try to run mlbviewer, I get a message about there being a parser 
problem with the listings page; then eventually it says no listings for 
this day but of course I know there are games. I can still access it with 
Orca but it's a lot easier with mlbviewer. Every once in a while there is 
an isolated day that works; for instance, if I arrow back to March 13th I 
can access those games. At any rate, I just wondered if anybody else had 
had a problem and had maybe found a solution; I don't know if the problem 
is with mlbviewer and/or a change with mlb.com and/or something breaking 
in debian unstable.

Tia.


-- 
Cheryl

"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: Mlbviewer

[Adam Myrow]

All I can say is, me too.  I'd suspect that the mlb.com web site has 
changed in some way that is breaking mlbviewer.  This is a problem with 
any sort of automated tool to parse web pages.  Every time the web page 
changes, the tool has to be updated.  It's too bad, because mlbviewer is a 
real convenient application.

Re: Mlbviewer

[Cheryl Homiak]

Thanks Adam.

It is too bad but it's a relief to know I hadn't somehow messed up 
something on my debian unstable install. I accidentally let it uninstall 
mplayer during an upgrade and it took a while for me to both fix that and 
get gameday audio back to playing via iceweasel. As for mlbviewer, I'll 
check whether it's been reported or discussed again and watch for a new 
version to come out; it is so very convenient to use!!!


-- 
Cheryl

"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: Mlbviewer

[Steve Holmes]

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Sorry for being off topic, but you said something about losing mplayer
during an upgrade.  mplayer isn't being dropped or anything like that
is it? I'm using Squeeze testing now but plan to upgrade to unstable
fairly soon.  I want to get in on later versions of gnome and the
like.  Sure wouldn't wanna lose mplayer.  I wouldn't think it was
going away but you never know.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 07:57:49PM -0500, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> Thanks Adam.
>
> It is too bad but it's a relief to know I hadn't somehow messed up  
> something on my debian unstable install. I accidentally let it uninstall  
> mplayer during an upgrade and it took a while for me to both fix that and 
> get gameday audio back to playing via iceweasel. As for mlbviewer, I'll  
> check whether it's been reported or discussed again and watch for a new  
> version to come out; it is so very convenient to use!!!
>
>
> -- 
> Cheryl
>
> "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
>
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Re: Mlbviewer

[Cheryl Homiak]

No, mplayer isn't being dropped. There was some kind of conflict because 
when libavformat upgraded mplayer got removed. It's been fixed now but for 
a time I had to downgrade libavformat to get mplayer back.



-- 
Cheryl

"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: Mlbviewer

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Cheryl,

Were you using apt-get, or aptitude? I have found that aptitude is a
much smarter tool than apt-get, and gives you much more information
about what will be happening during an upgrade so you can cancel if it
appears you might lose an important application if you proceed. In
those cases, I would just say no thanks, not today thanks, and usually
in a day or two the situation is once again safe to proceed. apt-get is
not nearly as careful as aptitude in that respect.

Chuck

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:25:20AM -0500, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> No, mplayer isn't being dropped. There was some kind of conflict because  
> when libavformat upgraded mplayer got removed. It's been fixed now but 
> for a time I had to downgrade libavformat to get mplayer back.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheryl
>
> "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Mlbviewer

[Cheryl Homiak]

Hi Chuck.

I use apt-get usually but use aptitude if I have a problem or am not sure 
what to do. If I'd been paying better attention the day mplayer got 
removed, I would have realized it even with apt-get. But I think you are 
correct in your comparison of the two.


-- 
Cheryl

"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: Mlbviewer

[Erik Heil]

Hi their.
Aptitude is indeed a much better tool than apt-get. While I'm at it, one
very useful apt-get/aptitude plugin is apt-listbugs and I think
apt-listchanges. I have them both installed on a couple of machines here,
and they are wonderful. Apt-listbugs will query the Debian BTS and will
let you know what bugs are pending before you do an upgrade. The interface
also has a command-line which will let you input bug numbers, and it will
display information about the bugs, with the option to render the complete
bug reports in either Links or Lynx. Apt-listchanges will consolidate all
the changelogs from packages that are going to be upgraded into a nice
little screen, and will also offer to display the news that has changed,
if it in fact has. It even offers to keep track of already viewed
changelog entries and news entries. Just my two sense.

--Erik

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:38:37 -0400
> From: Chuck Hallenbeck <chuckh@ftml.net>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Subject: Re: Mlbviewer
>
> Cheryl,
>
> Were you using apt-get, or aptitude? I have found that aptitude is a
> much smarter tool than apt-get, and gives you much more information
> about what will be happening during an upgrade so you can cancel if it
> appears you might lose an important application if you proceed. In
> those cases, I would just say no thanks, not today thanks, and usually
> in a day or two the situation is once again safe to proceed. apt-get is
> not nearly as careful as aptitude in that respect.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:25:20AM -0500, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> > No, mplayer isn't being dropped. There was some kind of conflict because
> > when libavformat upgraded mplayer got removed. It's been fixed now but
> > for a time I had to downgrade libavformat to get mplayer back.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheryl
> >
> > "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
> The Moon is Waning Gibbous (51% of Full)
>
>                   My web site: www.hallenbeck.ftml.net
>                       See also: www.wedit2.ml1.net
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OT: How to examine ISOS for clues to bootup process?

[Deborah Armstrong]

* I will cross-post this to Debian-Accessibility in a few days. I've already
cross-posted this to the ubuntu-accessibility list*

This is a bit off-topic, but I don't know where to ask.

Is there a way, by simply examining the contents of a distro's CD or ISO
that one can figure out how to boot it up 
with access?

I started thinking about this when I ran across INX, a new ubuntu-based live
distro that contains only console 
applications, and includes BRLTTY. I couldn't figure out how either to run
BRLTTY or to get the console=ttyS0 
parameter to work so I could access it with another system running terminal
emulation.

I have looked before in the Isolinux directory at the text files with names
like f1.txt thru f10.txt; presumably 
they are the help screens that display when function keys are pressed. But
they often only partly tell the story. 

For example, I would have never known that on the new Debian Lenny CD, one
was supposed to press Down arrow to 
highlight the graphical install, then press Tab and type speakup.synth=XXX
where XXX is the keyword for the 
synthesizer. I learned this by reading the release notes, but with Lenny,
there were two non-inttuitive things: 
first you had to select graphical install and second you had to type
speakup.synth rather than speakup_synth.

With the server edition of Ubuntu, to perform a headless install, I had to
type "install debian_frontend=false 
fb=false console=ttyS0" and I had to type it in before the boot prompt timed
out and the installer started loading. One early edition of the server CD
let me just type this, another required I go through some menu first to
arrive at a boot prompt where this command line could be entered. 

With Lenny, there is no time-out. You can boot the CD, go out to dinner,
come back and press your arrows and tabs, 
enter your parameters and everything works perfectly.

Ubuntu desktop, which has both brltty and Orca built-in seems to have a
different process for each successive 
version.  And many ISOS want you to type some sort of target, to specify
which kernel to load, whereas others have 
you select that target with the arrow keys, whereas others have you pressing
some keystroke and then typing in 
parameters to an already specified target. And some have you pressing ESC to
get to a boot prompt, and others have 
you selecting menu choices or pressing function keys, then making menu
choices, and then pressing enter a couple of times. With some, you press a
series of keys to arrive at a boot prompt whereas others have no boot prompt
at all! I even found some variant of BSD that had you press a 
function key to arrive at a boot prompt.

It would have been easiest if I could have discovered how a particular CD
boots by examining some files in its 
mounted ISO. Is this possible?

It seems like the bootup procedures for each and every ISO are different,
and there is absolutely no standard. It also seems like the makers of these
distros rarely assume one will try booting them headless or with a visual 
    impairment and they rarely put a text file on the CD that clearly
documents this stuff.

What files can I examine to learn how the boot process for any random ISO is
going to run? Pointers to any URLS that document this would be useful and I
promise to RTFM!

--Debee

Re: OT: How to examine ISOS for clues to bootup process?

[Steve Holmes]

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Hi Debee,

You're absolutely right; every distro does it differently <sigh>.  I
also looked around in the isolinux directory with partial success.
You might also look at the syslinux.cfg or whatever it's called.  I
think there may be actually several cfg files in there to control the
boot process.  It would probably help to get a thurough understanding
of syslinux system.  I do not have such a knowledge either.  But also
one can look around in the /boot directory too but I believe most live
CDs and other installers boot with syslinux or isolinux.

What we really need is a wiki for speakup.  We have one for Orca and
it is filling out pretty well; it has a ways to go like any other
public document but anyone with the brains and experience can update
it with what they know.  We should do similarly with speakup; those of
us who use particular distros can write up how to use that distro to
boot into speakup.  Actually such fragments of the wiki or user
supported documentation should be supplied to the maintainers of the
respective distro.  Slackware has such documentation and so far is
still fairly current.  I frankly don't recall if Debian has such a
document in its collection.  I haven't looked.

Also, as you mentioned something about speakup.synth vs
speakup_synth.  It has officially changed to speakup.synth with the
most recent changes to a totally modular speakup.  So that style
parameter would be effective for Slackware, Debian and any other
distro where boot parms are supported.

HTH.
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Re: Mlbviewer

[Christopher Moore]

Hello,
Have you guys installed the alpha9 version?
Works for me.

Chris

Re: Mlbviewer

[Cheryl Homiak]

Alpha9 must be recent; I've been checking and hadn't seen it yet; will 
give it a try.

Thanks.



-- 
Cheryl

"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: Mlbviewer

[Steve Holmes]

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Yeah, I like aptitude.  I generally run it in interactive or visual
mode so I can pick through the list and see what damage is going to be
done:) or I should say, what things will upgrade and so on.  Besides,
I see from the various man pages that it sounds like aptitude will be
the official way to go any how.

I understand there is a gnome interface for mplayer.  I forget the
exact package but I was wondering if anyone ever tried it out?

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:24:30PM -0500, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> Alpha9 must be recent; I've been checking and hadn't seen it yet; will  
> give it a try.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheryl
>
> "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Mlbviewer

[Alex Snow]

I think the gnome interface for mplayer is called gnome-mplayer...I 
tried it on my slackware box about a year ago and it looked nice.
On Wed, 
Mar 18, 2009 at 09:57:23PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> Yeah, I like aptitude.  I generally run it in interactive or visual
> mode so I can pick through the list and see what damage is going to be
> done:) or I should say, what things will upgrade and so on.  Besides,
> I see from the various man pages that it sounds like aptitude will be
> the official way to go any how.
> 
> I understand there is a gnome interface for mplayer.  I forget the
> exact package but I was wondering if anyone ever tried it out?
> 
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:24:30PM -0500, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> > Alpha9 must be recent; I've been checking and hadn't seen it yet; will  
> > give it a try.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Cheryl
> >
> > "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Mlbviewer

[Steve Holmes]

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Yeah, I found it today on Debian.  I tried it but found some
keystrokes to be missing.  For one thing, I found it nearly impossible
to jump between tracks with the usual commands.  Luckily, the media
shortcuts on my keyboard are recognized.  I don't know, I ws a bit
disappointed but there is promise there for sure.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:33:24AM -0400, Alex Snow wrote:
> I think the gnome interface for mplayer is called gnome-mplayer...I 
> tried it on my slackware box about a year ago and it looked nice.
> On Wed, 
> Mar 18, 2009 at 09:57:23PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> > 
> > Yeah, I like aptitude.  I generally run it in interactive or visual
> > mode so I can pick through the list and see what damage is going to be
> > done:) or I should say, what things will upgrade and so on.  Besides,
> > I see from the various man pages that it sounds like aptitude will be
> > the official way to go any how.
> > 
> > I understand there is a gnome interface for mplayer.  I forget the
> > exact package but I was wondering if anyone ever tried it out?
> > 
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:24:30PM -0500, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> > > Alpha9 must be recent; I've been checking and hadn't seen it yet; will  
> > > give it a try.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Cheryl
> > >
> > > "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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> 
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> wonder if He has a full newsfeed?
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