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FAQ gally proof

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

I just finished the FAQ.  I am posting it here to see if anyone has
any additional comments, suggestions, spelling errors, etc.  You may
all want to send to me privately rather than choking up the list, it's
up to you.



			     SPEAKUP FAQ

The document below is designed to answer the most frequently asked
questions about Speakup, the  screen reader/speech access system for
the Linux Operating System, used by people who are blind.  This
software is primarily developed and maintained by Kirk Reiser
(kirk@braille.uwo.ca).  It was developed initially by Kirk along with Andy
Berdan, with additional coding by John Covici and Brian Borowski.
Speakup was first announced on October 29, 1998 at:  08:55:28 -0500
     Most of the current development work is done by Kirk and Jim
Danley, along with contributions from other speakup users.



q.  Why should I use Speakup?

A.  If you are blind and want to use Linux as your operating system,
and if you want to know what is going on with your system from boot-up
to shut-down, then Speakup is for you.  Speakup gives you full access
to all console programs in the Linux OS.  It works particularly well
with telnet and with FTP. 


q.  Where do I get speakup?

A.  Speakup can be obtained by going to:  http://linux-speakup.org


q.  What kind of computer equipment do I need to run Speakup?

A.  The Linux OS can be placed on any PC from a 386 on up.  One will
receive best results from using a 486 or better machine, however.  


q.  What speech synthesizers are supported by Speakup.

A.  At the moment, Speakup supports only hardware synthesizers.  Here
is a list of what is currently supported.

Accent PC: acntpc
Accent SA: acntsa
Apolo: apolo
Audapter: audptr
Braille 'n Speak, and other such Blazie products: bns
DecTalk External (older model): decext
DecTalk PC (newer model): dectlk
DoubleTalk PC (internal): dtlk
LiteTalk/DoubleTalk LT (external): ltlk
Speakout: spkout
Transport: txprt
This list is current as of speakup version 0.10.

Instructions on installation for each synthesizer can be found at the
URL listed above.

  
q.  Will Speakup work on a Windows system?

A.  Although Speakup is a Linux Program and does not work in Windows,
there is a mini version of Linux plus speakup that can be run on a
dos/windows system.  It is called Zips lack.  It was designed by
Matthew Campbell and can be obtained by going to:  

http://www.slackware.com/zipslack/  

This is an excellent option if you are interested in Linux but do not
wish to devote much disk space, or resources to it.  It can be
expanded into a full Linux system should you wish to do so.


q.  I have heard about Emacspeak.  How does Speakup differ and which
is better, or do I need both?

A.  Emacspeak, developed by T.V. Raman and currently in version 14, is
a verbal output system for Emacs, the customizable editor for
Unix/Linux.  It is a complete desktop system for the OS, and works
well with any console application that has been linked to it.
However, it has some significant drawbacks.  It does not work well
with Telnet or with FTP, and it does not give access to programs with
which it is not linked.  

However, there is a way to install both Speakup and Emacspeak on one's
system.  This allows full access to all console programs plus the
desktop environment of Emacs.  

Emacspeak can be downloaded from sourceforge via HTTP or FTP:

http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net

ftp://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/pub/emacspeak 

You can visit Emacspeak on the WWW at

http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/raman/emacspeak (Cornell) --You
can also pick up emacspeak via anonymous ftp from

ftp://ftp.cs.cornell.edu/pub/raman/emacspeak/.


q. What versions of speakup work with what kernels?

A.  The latest version of Speakup, 0.10A will work with kernels 2.2.18
and above.  For further information, ask on the speakup list.  


q.  How do I install Speakup?

A.  The easiest way is to download the appropriate precompiled kernel for your
synthesizer if the kernel is lower than 2.2.18 and install from the
downloaded image.  If the distribution's kernel is higher than 2.2.18, it is
likely that there is a generic patched kernel and you have to enter a string
to tell speakup what synthesizer you wish to use.  For example:

speakup_synthesizer=dectlk speakup_serial=0

The above string is for the Dectalk Express on Com 1 under DOS or tty0 under
Linux.

Having obtained the appropriate kernel image that matches your distribution
and synthesizer, you can either create boot up disks with the dd command on
Unix type systems or rawrite under DOS or Windows, or by placing the
necessary files into a directory and using loadlin to start the installation
process.  For example: if the image is called bare.i, under Unix type system
you'd use the command string:

dd . . . .(Sorry don't know the string)

To use rawrite.exe under DOS or Windows you'd write, providing rawrite.exe
and bare.i are in the same directory as each other, say for example c:\Linux
you'd enter at a command prompt the following command strings:

cd c:\Linux
[Press return]
rawrite bare.i a:
[Press return]

Loadlin.exe enables a Linux installation to be started from a DOS prompt,
before going into Windows.  You'd need to create a batch file to run
loadlin.exe with the appropriate parameters.

Rawrite.exe and loadlin.exe can usually be found in a directory called
dosutils on distribution CD's, or something like that depending upon the
distribution.  They're often accompanied with detailed documentation.


Q.  What is the best way to download the appropriate file from the
site.  

A.  FTP is the quickest way to do this, although you can use the web
site's download facility.  One caveat, MSIE users be sure to type in
the address for the archive with ftp: in stead of http.  Some MSIE
users have trouble downloading the files because MSIE puts line-feeds
where they should not go.  If you do not have an FTP client, then try
using the Windows FTP client from a DOS box.  Be sure to type bin
before starting any transfer.  


Q.  I've just used rawrite to make a boot disk for my system, and it
will not talk, it will not do anything.  Why?

A.  Your speech synthesizer probably got in the way.  Before typing
the command again, turn off your speech program.  


q. why doesn't speakup come up talking when I use bla bla bla distros
boot disk?

A.  There are many reasons for this including:  a bad rawrite image,
the wrong comm port setting in the command line, an improperly
downloaded file.  For more specific information consult the
documentation file or ask on the Speakup list.

q. what is the status of cursering?

A.  The cursoring problem has been solved in part.  It is still in the
process of solution.


Q.  I hate documentation, and find it difficult to use because I do
not understand it.  How can I contact live human beings for help? 

A.  The simplest way to contact us is via our mailing list.  To
subscribe to this list, send an msg to:

speakup-request@braille.uwo.ca

In the body of the message, simply write subscribe.  when you have
done this, you will receive information on how to send directly to the
list.  Please keep this information for future reference.  



			    Ann K. Parsons





-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Steve Holmes]

The FAQ looks good.  Let me try and help fill in the command syntax for
the dd command; this is where you said you didn't know the form.
dd if=bare.i of=/dev/fd0 bs=1k
Press return.
For the root disk the command is similar:
dd if=color.gz of=/dev/fd0 bs=1k
Press return.
Note that you have to be logged on as root to do this and /dev/fd0 equates
to drive A: in DOS/windows. /dev/fd1 would equate to drive B:.

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Saqib Shaikh]

just one comment. the Apollo synthesiser is spelt with a double l although
the keyword apollo2, not the apollo1.
Saqib
 only has a single l. Also, you might like to add that the apolo keyword is
only for the
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: FAQ gally proof


> Hi all,
>
> I just finished the FAQ.  I am posting it here to see if anyone has
> any additional comments, suggestions, spelling errors, etc.  You may
> all want to send to me privately rather than choking up the list, it's
> up to you.
>
>
>
>      SPEAKUP FAQ
>
> The document below is designed to answer the most frequently asked
> questions about Speakup, the  screen reader/speech access system for
> the Linux Operating System, used by people who are blind.  This
> software is primarily developed and maintained by Kirk Reiser
> (kirk@braille.uwo.ca).  It was developed initially by Kirk along with Andy
> Berdan, with additional coding by John Covici and Brian Borowski.
> Speakup was first announced on October 29, 1998 at:  08:55:28 -0500
>      Most of the current development work is done by Kirk and Jim
> Danley, along with contributions from other speakup users.
>
>
>
> q.  Why should I use Speakup?
>
> A.  If you are blind and want to use Linux as your operating system,
> and if you want to know what is going on with your system from boot-up
> to shut-down, then Speakup is for you.  Speakup gives you full access
> to all console programs in the Linux OS.  It works particularly well
> with telnet and with FTP.
>
>
> q.  Where do I get speakup?
>
> A.  Speakup can be obtained by going to:  http://linux-speakup.org
>
>
> q.  What kind of computer equipment do I need to run Speakup?
>
> A.  The Linux OS can be placed on any PC from a 386 on up.  One will
> receive best results from using a 486 or better machine, however.
>
>
> q.  What speech synthesizers are supported by Speakup.
>
> A.  At the moment, Speakup supports only hardware synthesizers.  Here
> is a list of what is currently supported.
>
> Accent PC: acntpc
> Accent SA: acntsa
> Apolo: apolo
> Audapter: audptr
> Braille 'n Speak, and other such Blazie products: bns
> DecTalk External (older model): decext
> DecTalk PC (newer model): dectlk
> DoubleTalk PC (internal): dtlk
> LiteTalk/DoubleTalk LT (external): ltlk
> Speakout: spkout
> Transport: txprt
> This list is current as of speakup version 0.10.
>
> Instructions on installation for each synthesizer can be found at the
> URL listed above.
>
>
> q.  Will Speakup work on a Windows system?
>
> A.  Although Speakup is a Linux Program and does not work in Windows,
> there is a mini version of Linux plus speakup that can be run on a
> dos/windows system.  It is called Zips lack.  It was designed by
> Matthew Campbell and can be obtained by going to:
>
> http://www.slackware.com/zipslack/
>
> This is an excellent option if you are interested in Linux but do not
> wish to devote much disk space, or resources to it.  It can be
> expanded into a full Linux system should you wish to do so.
>
>
> q.  I have heard about Emacspeak.  How does Speakup differ and which
> is better, or do I need both?
>
> A.  Emacspeak, developed by T.V. Raman and currently in version 14, is
> a verbal output system for Emacs, the customizable editor for
> Unix/Linux.  It is a complete desktop system for the OS, and works
> well with any console application that has been linked to it.
> However, it has some significant drawbacks.  It does not work well
> with Telnet or with FTP, and it does not give access to programs with
> which it is not linked.
>
> However, there is a way to install both Speakup and Emacspeak on one's
> system.  This allows full access to all console programs plus the
> desktop environment of Emacs.
>
> Emacspeak can be downloaded from sourceforge via HTTP or FTP:
>
> http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net
>
> ftp://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/pub/emacspeak
>
> You can visit Emacspeak on the WWW at
>
> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/raman/emacspeak (Cornell) --You
> can also pick up emacspeak via anonymous ftp from
>
> ftp://ftp.cs.cornell.edu/pub/raman/emacspeak/.
>
>
> q. What versions of speakup work with what kernels?
>
> A.  The latest version of Speakup, 0.10A will work with kernels 2.2.18
> and above.  For further information, ask on the speakup list.
>
>
> q.  How do I install Speakup?
>
> A.  The easiest way is to download the appropriate precompiled kernel for
your
> synthesizer if the kernel is lower than 2.2.18 and install from the
> downloaded image.  If the distribution's kernel is higher than 2.2.18, it
is
> likely that there is a generic patched kernel and you have to enter a
string
> to tell speakup what synthesizer you wish to use.  For example:
>
> speakup_synthesizer=dectlk speakup_serial=0
>
> The above string is for the Dectalk Express on Com 1 under DOS or tty0
under
> Linux.
>
> Having obtained the appropriate kernel image that matches your
distribution
> and synthesizer, you can either create boot up disks with the dd command
on
> Unix type systems or rawrite under DOS or Windows, or by placing the
> necessary files into a directory and using loadlin to start the
installation
> process.  For example: if the image is called bare.i, under Unix type
system
> you'd use the command string:
>
> dd . . . .(Sorry don't know the string)
>
> To use rawrite.exe under DOS or Windows you'd write, providing rawrite.exe
> and bare.i are in the same directory as each other, say for example
c:\Linux
> you'd enter at a command prompt the following command strings:
>
> cd c:\Linux
> [Press return]
> rawrite bare.i a:
> [Press return]
>
> Loadlin.exe enables a Linux installation to be started from a DOS prompt,
> before going into Windows.  You'd need to create a batch file to run
> loadlin.exe with the appropriate parameters.
>
> Rawrite.exe and loadlin.exe can usually be found in a directory called
> dosutils on distribution CD's, or something like that depending upon the
> distribution.  They're often accompanied with detailed documentation.
>
>
> Q.  What is the best way to download the appropriate file from the
> site.
>
> A.  FTP is the quickest way to do this, although you can use the web
> site's download facility.  One caveat, MSIE users be sure to type in
> the address for the archive with ftp: in stead of http.  Some MSIE
> users have trouble downloading the files because MSIE puts line-feeds
> where they should not go.  If you do not have an FTP client, then try
> using the Windows FTP client from a DOS box.  Be sure to type bin
> before starting any transfer.
>
>
> Q.  I've just used rawrite to make a boot disk for my system, and it
> will not talk, it will not do anything.  Why?
>
> A.  Your speech synthesizer probably got in the way.  Before typing
> the command again, turn off your speech program.
>
>
> q. why doesn't speakup come up talking when I use bla bla bla distros
> boot disk?
>
> A.  There are many reasons for this including:  a bad rawrite image,
> the wrong comm port setting in the command line, an improperly
> downloaded file.  For more specific information consult the
> documentation file or ask on the Speakup list.
>
> q. what is the status of cursering?
>
> A.  The cursoring problem has been solved in part.  It is still in the
> process of solution.
>
>
> Q.  I hate documentation, and find it difficult to use because I do
> not understand it.  How can I contact live human beings for help?
>
> A.  The simplest way to contact us is via our mailing list.  To
> subscribe to this list, send an msg to:
>
> speakup-request@braille.uwo.ca
>
> In the body of the message, simply write subscribe.  when you have
> done this, you will receive information on how to send directly to the
> list.  Please keep this information for future reference.
>
>
>
>     Ann K. Parsons
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Thanks, Saqib.  

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Janina Sajka]

Kirk, maybe this is the time to fix this. Of course, speakup will still
Kirk:

It's high time to fix this. Of course, that means supporting the wrong
spelling plus the right spelling for backward compatibility's sake.

On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Saqib Shaikh wrote:

> just one comment. the Apollo synthesiser is spelt with a double l although
> the keyword apollo2, not the apollo1.
> Saqib
>  only has a single l. Also, you might like to add that the apolo keyword is
> only for the
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 2:49 PM
> Subject: FAQ gally proof
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just finished the FAQ.  I am posting it here to see if anyone has
> > any additional comments, suggestions, spelling errors, etc.  You may
> > all want to send to me privately rather than choking up the list, it's
> > up to you.
> >
> >
> >
> >      SPEAKUP FAQ
> >
> > The document below is designed to answer the most frequently asked
> > questions about Speakup, the  screen reader/speech access system for
> > the Linux Operating System, used by people who are blind.  This
> > software is primarily developed and maintained by Kirk Reiser
> > (kirk@braille.uwo.ca).  It was developed initially by Kirk along with Andy
> > Berdan, with additional coding by John Covici and Brian Borowski.
> > Speakup was first announced on October 29, 1998 at:  08:55:28 -0500
> >      Most of the current development work is done by Kirk and Jim
> > Danley, along with contributions from other speakup users.
> >
> >
> >
> > q.  Why should I use Speakup?
> >
> > A.  If you are blind and want to use Linux as your operating system,
> > and if you want to know what is going on with your system from boot-up
> > to shut-down, then Speakup is for you.  Speakup gives you full access
> > to all console programs in the Linux OS.  It works particularly well
> > with telnet and with FTP.
> >
> >
> > q.  Where do I get speakup?
> >
> > A.  Speakup can be obtained by going to:  http://linux-speakup.org
> >
> >
> > q.  What kind of computer equipment do I need to run Speakup?
> >
> > A.  The Linux OS can be placed on any PC from a 386 on up.  One will
> > receive best results from using a 486 or better machine, however.
> >
> >
> > q.  What speech synthesizers are supported by Speakup.
> >
> > A.  At the moment, Speakup supports only hardware synthesizers.  Here
> > is a list of what is currently supported.
> >
> > Accent PC: acntpc
> > Accent SA: acntsa
> > Apolo: apolo
> > Audapter: audptr
> > Braille 'n Speak, and other such Blazie products: bns
> > DecTalk External (older model): decext
> > DecTalk PC (newer model): dectlk
> > DoubleTalk PC (internal): dtlk
> > LiteTalk/DoubleTalk LT (external): ltlk
> > Speakout: spkout
> > Transport: txprt
> > This list is current as of speakup version 0.10.
> >
> > Instructions on installation for each synthesizer can be found at the
> > URL listed above.
> >
> >
> > q.  Will Speakup work on a Windows system?
> >
> > A.  Although Speakup is a Linux Program and does not work in Windows,
> > there is a mini version of Linux plus speakup that can be run on a
> > dos/windows system.  It is called Zips lack.  It was designed by
> > Matthew Campbell and can be obtained by going to:
> >
> > http://www.slackware.com/zipslack/
> >
> > This is an excellent option if you are interested in Linux but do not
> > wish to devote much disk space, or resources to it.  It can be
> > expanded into a full Linux system should you wish to do so.
> >
> >
> > q.  I have heard about Emacspeak.  How does Speakup differ and which
> > is better, or do I need both?
> >
> > A.  Emacspeak, developed by T.V. Raman and currently in version 14, is
> > a verbal output system for Emacs, the customizable editor for
> > Unix/Linux.  It is a complete desktop system for the OS, and works
> > well with any console application that has been linked to it.
> > However, it has some significant drawbacks.  It does not work well
> > with Telnet or with FTP, and it does not give access to programs with
> > which it is not linked.
> >
> > However, there is a way to install both Speakup and Emacspeak on one's
> > system.  This allows full access to all console programs plus the
> > desktop environment of Emacs.
> >
> > Emacspeak can be downloaded from sourceforge via HTTP or FTP:
> >
> > http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net
> >
> > ftp://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/pub/emacspeak
> >
> > You can visit Emacspeak on the WWW at
> >
> > http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/raman/emacspeak (Cornell) --You
> > can also pick up emacspeak via anonymous ftp from
> >
> > ftp://ftp.cs.cornell.edu/pub/raman/emacspeak/.
> >
> >
> > q. What versions of speakup work with what kernels?
> >
> > A.  The latest version of Speakup, 0.10A will work with kernels 2.2.18
> > and above.  For further information, ask on the speakup list.
> >
> >
> > q.  How do I install Speakup?
> >
> > A.  The easiest way is to download the appropriate precompiled kernel for
> your
> > synthesizer if the kernel is lower than 2.2.18 and install from the
> > downloaded image.  If the distribution's kernel is higher than 2.2.18, it
> is
> > likely that there is a generic patched kernel and you have to enter a
> string
> > to tell speakup what synthesizer you wish to use.  For example:
> >
> > speakup_synthesizer=dectlk speakup_serial=0
> >
> > The above string is for the Dectalk Express on Com 1 under DOS or tty0
> under
> > Linux.
> >
> > Having obtained the appropriate kernel image that matches your
> distribution
> > and synthesizer, you can either create boot up disks with the dd command
> on
> > Unix type systems or rawrite under DOS or Windows, or by placing the
> > necessary files into a directory and using loadlin to start the
> installation
> > process.  For example: if the image is called bare.i, under Unix type
> system
> > you'd use the command string:
> >
> > dd . . . .(Sorry don't know the string)
> >
> > To use rawrite.exe under DOS or Windows you'd write, providing rawrite.exe
> > and bare.i are in the same directory as each other, say for example
> c:\Linux
> > you'd enter at a command prompt the following command strings:
> >
> > cd c:\Linux
> > [Press return]
> > rawrite bare.i a:
> > [Press return]
> >
> > Loadlin.exe enables a Linux installation to be started from a DOS prompt,
> > before going into Windows.  You'd need to create a batch file to run
> > loadlin.exe with the appropriate parameters.
> >
> > Rawrite.exe and loadlin.exe can usually be found in a directory called
> > dosutils on distribution CD's, or something like that depending upon the
> > distribution.  They're often accompanied with detailed documentation.
> >
> >
> > Q.  What is the best way to download the appropriate file from the
> > site.
> >
> > A.  FTP is the quickest way to do this, although you can use the web
> > site's download facility.  One caveat, MSIE users be sure to type in
> > the address for the archive with ftp: in stead of http.  Some MSIE
> > users have trouble downloading the files because MSIE puts line-feeds
> > where they should not go.  If you do not have an FTP client, then try
> > using the Windows FTP client from a DOS box.  Be sure to type bin
> > before starting any transfer.
> >
> >
> > Q.  I've just used rawrite to make a boot disk for my system, and it
> > will not talk, it will not do anything.  Why?
> >
> > A.  Your speech synthesizer probably got in the way.  Before typing
> > the command again, turn off your speech program.
> >
> >
> > q. why doesn't speakup come up talking when I use bla bla bla distros
> > boot disk?
> >
> > A.  There are many reasons for this including:  a bad rawrite image,
> > the wrong comm port setting in the command line, an improperly
> > downloaded file.  For more specific information consult the
> > documentation file or ask on the Speakup list.
> >
> > q. what is the status of cursering?
> >
> > A.  The cursoring problem has been solved in part.  It is still in the
> > process of solution.
> >
> >
> > Q.  I hate documentation, and find it difficult to use because I do
> > not understand it.  How can I contact live human beings for help?
> >
> > A.  The simplest way to contact us is via our mailing list.  To
> > subscribe to this list, send an msg to:
> >
> > speakup-request@braille.uwo.ca
> >
> > In the body of the message, simply write subscribe.  when you have
> > done this, you will receive information on how to send directly to the
> > list.  Please keep this information for future reference.
> >
> >
> >
> >     Ann K. Parsons
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ann K. Parsons
> > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
> JRRT
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: FAQ gally proof

[Gregory Nowak]

It's nice. I think you did a great job on it.
Greg

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Victor Tsaran]

Hi, N.K.
I think you should rewrite the part where you say that Emacspeak does not
work well with Telnet and FTP. Both of these clients are Emacspeak-enabled
and really great.
Best wishes,
Victor

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Ha, Victor, if you think that eterm is *anything* that a newbie wants
to get into, you're sadly mistaken!  I beg to differ most vehimently
about this.  I've been using emacspeak for about two years now, I have
tried numerous times to get eterm to work, I've asked for help, when
doing that, which is *never* forthcoming onthe emacspeak list, unlike
this list, and I still can't get it to work.  I can get the FTP client
to work, yes, but it doesn't give the range and useful info that
Speakup does.  As for Telnet, you can forget it, unless you can tell
me how to sort out when to use each of those two stupid options in
eterm  and how to switch between 'em.  No, Victor, sorry.  I'm not
going to change that sentence, not unless you can show me that
emacspeak works cleanly and efficiently in terminal mode.  I don't
mean a work-around, I mean something that gives me the ease and
simplicity of Speakup.  <grinning>  Talk about needing to be a "Matt
Campbell", you have to be one of those, and the mold was broken when
He created our Matt, so it's a no-go.  It's the only thing Emacspeak
doesn't do well at all.  

Ann P.
 and  
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WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
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Re: FAQ gally proof

[Yvonne Smith]

Hi Anne.

I'm a newby on this list, and I still use emacspeak, mostly because I
didn't have a decent external speech synthe  for several onths since
it broke and I couldnd't afford to replace it. As soon as I've got
some spare time, now that I've got the blasted thing back, I probably
will give speakup a shot.

The thing I wanted to say was that with telnet or ssh you don't *need*
to use eterm. Shell mode is more than adequate unless you're trying to
use a full screen application. If you're merely trying to log on to a
shell account on another machine, just run telnet or ssh in shell
mode. Or better still, get a copy of ftelnet.el and/or ssh.el, which
are standalone clients based on comint mode and speak perfectly well.

Sorry for the off-topic post, all.

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Ann Parsons]

Hi YVonne,

<smile>  Yeh, you're right, but you can not use Lynx and you can not
use pine or any other app that isn't connected with emacs.  

Ann P.

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"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Janina Sajka]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi YVonne,
>
> <smile>  Yeh, you're right, but you can not use Lynx and you can not
> use pine or any other app that isn't connected with emacs.
>
True enough, but then one isn't supposed to use Pine and lynx. One is
supposed to use vm and w3, for example. Pine is what most users with unix
experience know, though. My best cut at the yardstick is still: "If you
know and love emacs, you'll really dig emacspeak. And, if you don't know
what that means, get speakup."
 > Ann P. > >

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Victor Tsaran]

Hi, N.P.
You can either use FTP client in the regular "shell" mode or the FTP
interface provided by Emacs. I think it speaks quite well. Just type:
m-x ftp <ENTER>
then type in your FTP site. There is also a good package called Ange-FTP.
Did you try it? It has a widgit-like interface (or in Windows terms,
Explorer-like interface).
The same applies to "Telnet" program. You can either run it quietly in the
"shell mode" or use m-x telnet.
Definitely, terminal programs like Pine and Lynx do not run well neither in
"shell mode'" nor in "eterm mode".
Best,
Vic

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Victor Tsaran]

When do I get ftelnet.el, is it distributed with Emacs?
Vic

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yvonne Smith" <yvonne@thewatch.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: FAQ gally proof


> Hi Anne.
> 
> I'm a newby on this list, and I still use emacspeak, mostly because I
> didn't have a decent external speech synthe  for several onths since
> it broke and I couldnd't afford to replace it. As soon as I've got
> some spare time, now that I've got the blasted thing back, I probably
> will give speakup a shot.
> 
> The thing I wanted to say was that with telnet or ssh you don't *need*
> to use eterm. Shell mode is more than adequate unless you're trying to
> use a full screen application. If you're merely trying to log on to a
> shell account on another machine, just run telnet or ssh in shell
> mode. Or better still, get a copy of ftelnet.el and/or ssh.el, which
> are standalone clients based on comint mode and speak perfectly well.
> 
> Sorry for the off-topic post, all.
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Victor Tsaran]

Speakup guys,
Please do not understand our discussion as speakup vs emacspeak war. I just
want all points to be clarified before any statements are publicly made.

Ann, you are about Pine. But, why would you need Pine if you have VM? You
can simulate Lynx with W3.
Best,
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: FAQ gally proof


> Hi YVonne,
>
> <smile>  Yeh, you're right, but you can not use Lynx and you can not
> use pine or any other app that isn't connected with emacs.
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT
>
>
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: FAQ gally proof

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

<smile>  Yep, you're right there.  I still think Emacspeak's terminal
mode is dreadful, but I do love VM and W3.  

Ann P.

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email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

<smile>  Well, I use Lynx for doing some things that I can do easier
that way.  I use pine on my upstairs computer because and only because
VM has no way to send to multiple addresses, make a distribution
list.  It works fine for two or three CC's, but if you have more than
that, it seems to choke.    So, if I am going to send out my Christmas
card list, e.g., I use pine.  That's why my combo of emacspeak and
Speakup work so well.  Now I have access to everything but X.

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Yvonne Smith]

Ann Parsons writes:
 > Hi YVonne,
 > 
 > <smile>  Yeh, you're right, but you can not use Lynx and you can not
 > use pine or any other app that isn't connected with emacs.  

Well yeah, this is true, but that wasn't what was said. What you said
was that ftp and telnet are impossible, and those examples simply
aren't accurate. Now if you used pine and lynx as examples, I can see
your point.

Oh, and BTW, if you're looking for an ftp client for a shell in emacs,
try lftp. It's a proper command line ftp client, and I haven't had
much trouble with it. Straight old ftp itself works just as well, of
course.

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Yvonne Smith]

No, Ftelnet doesn't come with emacs. Have a look at
http://www.splode.com/users/friedman/software/emacs-lisp/
the ssh.el thing I also talked about should be there as well. They're
pretty good. Not a lot different from just using them in straight
shell, but they're kind of useful anyway.

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Yvonne Smith]

How the heck are you running emacspeak and speakup together? Or are
you talking about multiple machines?

Re: FAQ gally proof

[The Electronicman Scott Berry]

Can you actually run both on the same system or o you have to 
have two different systems?  I am talking Speakup and Emacspeak.

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Yvonne Smith]

As far as I can tell, your best bet at the moment seems to be running
emacspeak with outloud <the internal synthe> and running speakup on an
external synthe. That is, of course, unless you've got two serial
ports you can devote to speech and two external synthesisers, which I
think is a bit unlikely for most of us. To be honest, that's a lot of
the reason I haven't gotten much into speakup. I spend a lot of time
reading and editing text, and I'm familiar and comfortable with emacs
as an editor after the length of time I've used it. Even though
there're things I'd like to do with Speakup, I'm greedy. I want both
worlds, and the fact of the matter is that since I need my computer
for work, and I know emacspeak inside out and backwards, I'm not in a
position at the moment where I can completely rearrange my work
habbits to use speakup. Oh well, someday I will, no doubt. Probably
the first time I need to get an install done by myself, <grin>.

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Yvonne, point taken, will edit the proof again.

Ann P.

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"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Nope, I'm running Emacspeak and speakup together in separate consoles
on the same machine.  Ask Matt Campbell how he modified the code to
make it possible.  Works like a dream!  I have everything I need or
could want.

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

I'm going to drag old Matt on here so he can tell you how he did it.
Then you can all implement the same code.  Yes, I am running them both
together.  Yes on the same machine.  I am running them in two
different consoles.  

Ann P.

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WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Victor Tsaran]

Woops, Ann!
You mean, the newest Speakup 0.10A supports this by default? Also, where did
you get precompiled Speakup-enabled kernel or did you compile it yourself?
Best,
Victor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: FAQ gally proof


> Hi all,
>
> Nope, I'm running Emacspeak and speakup together in separate consoles
> on the same machine.  Ask Matt Campbell how he modified the code to
> make it possible.  Works like a dream!  I have everything I need or
> could want.
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Have gotten correct info on kernels and versions etc.  Have edited the
FAQ, and have mailed the final copy to Kirk.

Ann P.

-- 
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email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Janina Sajka]

Installing vm is no picnic. It requires quite a bit of by-hand work, as I
recall. But, then, I've not gotten it working.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Speakup guys,
> Please do not understand our discussion as speakup vs emacspeak war. I just
> want all points to be clarified before any statements are publicly made.
>
> Ann, you are about Pine. But, why would you need Pine if you have VM? You
> can simulate Lynx with W3.
> Best,
> Vic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:17 AM
> Subject: Re: FAQ gally proof
>
>
> > Hi YVonne,
> >
> > <smile>  Yeh, you're right, but you can not use Lynx and you can not
> > use pine or any other app that isn't connected with emacs.
> >
> > Ann P.
> >
> > --
> > Ann K. Parsons
> > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
> JRRT
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
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Re: FAQ gally proof

[Janina Sajka]

Using different synths, in my case. This is somewhat easy because
Emacspeak supports ViaVoice. And, you can always kill speakup in a given
console with insert+numeric-enter.
 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Yvonne Smith
wrote:

> How the heck are you running emacspeak and speakup together? Or are
> you talking about multiple machines?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Steve, thanks.  I decided to remove all that specific info for
installation because I think it should go in docs devoted to
installation.  I think you'll like the FAQ once it's posted.  I took
everyone's suggestions into consideration.  I'll be back with more
questions if I do another doc project.  You guys are the techies.  I
only put the technical info into plain English.

Ann P.

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WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi, I think you the sysreq key to kill speakup for a console.
It's the key to the left of the scrole lock on a standard keyboard.
If I'm wrong would someone please correct me.  Since the docs for
speakup aren't current, this just a guess from playing.

          Kenny

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:41:19AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Nope, I'm running Emacspeak and speakup together in separate consoles
> on the same machine.  Ask Matt Campbell how he modified the code to
> make it possible.  Works like a dream!  I have everything I need or
> could want.
> 
> Ann P.
> 
> -- 
> 			Ann K. Parsons  
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi, insert-keypad enter doesn't do it for me.  I'm using the Kernel
downloaded from the Debian distro on the Speakup web sight it was compiled on
March 13 of this year.  However, the sys-req key does seem to
do what you want.

          Kenny


On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:57:43AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Using different synths, in my case. This is somewhat easy because
> Emacspeak supports ViaVoice. And, you can always kill speakup in a given
> console with insert+numeric-enter.
>  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Yvonne Smith
> wrote:
> 
> > How the heck are you running emacspeak and speakup together? Or are
> > you talking about multiple machines?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, sysreq will kill speakup.

The insert+numeric-enter key toggle kills automatic speech. You can still
read the screen with the numbers on the numeric keypad and the numeric
plus key. If you do the sysreq think , you can't.

 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001,
Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Hi, I think you the sysreq key to kill speakup for a console.
> It's the key to the left of the scrole lock on a standard keyboard.
> If I'm wrong would someone please correct me.  Since the docs for
> speakup aren't current, this just a guess from playing.
>
>           Kenny
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:41:19AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Nope, I'm running Emacspeak and speakup together in separate consoles
> > on the same machine.  Ask Matt Campbell how he modified the code to
> > make it possible.  Works like a dream!  I have everything I need or
> > could want.
> >
> > Ann P.
> >
> > --
> > 			Ann K. Parsons
> > email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: FAQ gally proof

[Janina Sajka]

Are you trying to have speakup and emacspeak share the same synthesizer?

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Hi, insert-keypad enter doesn't do it for me.  I'm using the Kernel
> downloaded from the Debian distro on the Speakup web sight it was compiled on
> March 13 of this year.  However, the sys-req key does seem to
> do what you want.
>
>           Kenny
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:57:43AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Using different synths, in my case. This is somewhat easy because
> > Emacspeak supports ViaVoice. And, you can always kill speakup in a given
> > console with insert+numeric-enter.
> >  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Yvonne Smith
> > wrote:
> >
> > > How the heck are you running emacspeak and speakup together? Or are
> > > you talking about multiple machines?
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup and Emacsspeak

[Janina Sajka]

OK. Then you will have to do some fancy foot work with your installation.
Matt Campbell has been working on this. A few weeks ago he posted here
about how to do this--but I think it only works with one of the Doubletalk
cards. I may be wrong about that part, but it is my recollection.

I've looked in my mailbox to see if I have that message from a few weeks
ago, but I didn't find it. Perhaps someone has it and can post it again.
Or maybe someone will dredge it out of the speakup archive.
 On Thu, 21 Jun
2001, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Yes.
>
>           Kenny
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 02:28:10PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Are you trying to have speakup and emacspeak share the same synthesizer?
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, insert-keypad enter doesn't do it for me.  I'm using the Kernel
> > > downloaded from the Debian distro on the Speakup web sight it was compiled on
> > > March 13 of this year.  However, the sys-req key does seem to
> > > do what you want.
> > >
> > >           Kenny
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:57:43AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > Using different synths, in my case. This is somewhat easy because
> > > > Emacspeak supports ViaVoice. And, you can always kill speakup in a given
> > > > console with insert+numeric-enter.
> > > >  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Yvonne Smith
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > How the heck are you running emacspeak and speakup together? Or are
> > > > > you talking about multiple machines?
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: speakup and Emacsspeak

[Kenny Hitt]

Thanks.  I was planning to try it on my desktop which has a Doubletalk pc.
When I installed Debian on that system, I split the drive into 2 1 gig 
partitions.  I was just going to install a standard Debian whithout Speakup
on the other partition.  When I read it might be possible to run both on the 
same system, I decided I'd rather do that.

          Kenny

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:44:05PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> OK. Then you will have to do some fancy foot work with your installation.
> Matt Campbell has been working on this. A few weeks ago he posted here
> about how to do this--but I think it only works with one of the Doubletalk
> cards. I may be wrong about that part, but it is my recollection.
> 
> I've looked in my mailbox to see if I have that message from a few weeks
> ago, but I didn't find it. Perhaps someone has it and can post it again.
> Or maybe someone will dredge it out of the speakup archive.
>  On Thu, 21 Jun
> 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> 
> > Yes.
> >
> >           Kenny
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 02:28:10PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Are you trying to have speakup and emacspeak share the same synthesizer?
> > >
> > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi, insert-keypad enter doesn't do it for me.  I'm using the Kernel
> > > > downloaded from the Debian distro on the Speakup web sight it was compiled on
> > > > March 13 of this year.  However, the sys-req key does seem to
> > > > do what you want.
> > > >
> > > >           Kenny
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:57:43AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > > Using different synths, in my case. This is somewhat easy because
> > > > > Emacspeak supports ViaVoice. And, you can always kill speakup in a given
> > > > > console with insert+numeric-enter.
> > > > >  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Yvonne Smith
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > How the heck are you running emacspeak and speakup together? Or are
> > > > > > you talking about multiple machines?
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
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Re: FAQ gally proof

[Victor Tsaran]

If you use Redhat, it is quite simple. Plus, you can always download just
the binary vm..elc.tar, the only file, from www.wonderworks.com  and load it
within Emacs. You are off and running!
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: FAQ gally proof


> Installing vm is no picnic. It requires quite a bit of by-hand work, as I
> recall. But, then, I've not gotten it working.
>
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
> > Speakup guys,
> > Please do not understand our discussion as speakup vs emacspeak war. I
just
> > want all points to be clarified before any statements are publicly made.
> >
> > Ann, you are about Pine. But, why would you need Pine if you have VM?
You
> > can simulate Lynx with W3.
> > Best,
> > Vic
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: FAQ gally proof
> >
> >
> > > Hi YVonne,
> > >
> > > <smile>  Yeh, you're right, but you can not use Lynx and you can not
> > > use pine or any other app that isn't connected with emacs.
> > >
> > > Ann P.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ann K. Parsons
> > > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are
lost."
> > JRRT
> > >
> > >
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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Re: FAQ gally proof

[Shaun Oliver]

Yvonne I was wondering the same thing myself.
but that last post from janina reminded me of that insert+keypadenter key
combination.


Shaun..
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Using different synths, in my case. This is somewhat easy because
> Emacspeak supports ViaVoice. And, you can always kill speakup in a given
> console with insert+numeric-enter.
>  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Yvonne Smith
> wrote:
> 
> > How the heck are you running emacspeak and speakup together? Or are
> > you talking about multiple machines?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
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Re: speakup and Emacsspeak

[Kenny Hitt]

Yes.

          Kenny

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 02:28:10PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Are you trying to have speakup and emacspeak share the same synthesizer?
> 
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> 
> > Hi, insert-keypad enter doesn't do it for me.  I'm using the Kernel
> > downloaded from the Debian distro on the Speakup web sight it was compiled on
> > March 13 of this year.  However, the sys-req key does seem to
> > do what you want.
> >
> >           Kenny
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:57:43AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Using different synths, in my case. This is somewhat easy because
> > > Emacspeak supports ViaVoice. And, you can always kill speakup in a given
> > > console with insert+numeric-enter.
> > >  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Yvonne Smith
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > How the heck are you running emacspeak and speakup together? Or are
> > > > you talking about multiple machines?
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
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Re: FAQ gally proof

[Gregory Nowak]

Yeah.  But given a choice, I'd use lynx hands down.
Greg



> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Victor Tsaran" <tsar@sylaba.poznan.pl
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 03:29:41 +0200
>Subject: Re: FAQ gally proof

>Speakup guys,
>Please do not understand our discussion as speakup vs emacspeak war.  I just
>want all points to be clarified before any statements are publicly made.

>Ann, you are about Pine.  But, why would you need Pine if you have VM? You
>can simulate Lynx with W3.
>Best,
>Vic

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:17 AM
>Subject: Re: FAQ gally proof


>> Hi YVonne,

>> <smile>  Yeh, you're right, but you can not use Lynx and you can not
>> use pine or any other app that isn't connected with emacs.

>> Ann P.

>> --
>> Ann K.  Parsons
>> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
>> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
>> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
>JRRT


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>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup



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Re: FAQ gally proof

[Gregory Nowak]

Hi,

Where do you get those clients from?
Greg



> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Yvonne Smith <yvonne@thewatch.net
>To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:59:42 +1000
>Subject: Re: FAQ gally proof

>Hi Anne.

>I'm a newby on this list, and I still use emacspeak, mostly because I
>didn't have a decent external speech synthe  for several onths since
>it broke and I couldnd't afford to replace it.  As soon as I've got
>some spare time, now that I've got the blasted thing back, I probably
>will give speakup a shot.

>The thing I wanted to say was that with telnet or ssh you don't *need*
>to use eterm.  Shell mode is more than adequate unless you're trying to
>use a full screen application.  If you're merely trying to log on to a
>shell account on another machine, just run telnet or ssh in shell
>mode.  Or better still, get a copy of ftelnet.el and/or ssh.el, which
>are standalone clients based on comint mode and speak perfectly well.

>Sorry for the off-topic post, all.

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