Re: Hosting speakup on freedesktop?

Re: Hosting speakup on freedesktop?

[Didier Spaier]

I don't see an issue using github. Recently Microsoft showed interest
for Linux and open source:
They are a member of the Open Invention Network, alongside Linux
distributions including Slint :-) so they signed an agreement like
this one http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/agreement.pdf
which protect all members.
Recently they did their best to protect youtube-dl from a DMCA takedown:
https://youtube-dl.org/
https://github.blog/2020-11-16-standing-up-for-developers-youtube-dl-is-back/

Additionally I prefer the interface of github over gitlab's

In the (unlikely, I think) event that github be taken down, it will 
still be possible to time to find another home for speakup, I think.

Just my two euro cents.

Cheers, Didier

On 21/12/2020 23:12, Michał Zegan wrote:
> Just one note: it may not be important enough, but whatever the problem
> may or may not be with github, it is far more accessible as a site than
> gitlab. I don't think gitlab fixed accessibility, ever.
> 
> W dniu 21.12.2020 o 23:03, Kirk Reiser pisze:
>> Hi Samuel et al: That works fine for me. I haven't really had much to
>> do with development work on speakup for a longg time. You had an
>> account on my server but I see it appears to have disappeared sometime
>> over the years for no reason I can think of.
>>
>>    Kirk
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2020, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Currently we have an old git repository on
>>> http://linux-speakup.org/speakup.git , that was not updated since
>>> ~2013.  I don't seem to have push access to it. We also have some
>>> bug tracking on https://github.com/bytefire/speakup/issues . This
>>> looks quite scattered, and github.com depends on the good will
>>> of Microsoft. I'm thinking that we could have speakup hosted on
>>> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org (freedesktop is a "completely volunteer
>>> organisation with no corporate backing or funding stream", notably part
>>> of X.org). We can keep the mailing list as it is, but we could move the
>>> git repository and the issue tracking there, where it is easy to create
>>> accounts, give rights, follow-up on bugs etc.  I have made a request for
>>> a speakup group creation to freedesktop people.
>>>
>>> The idea is that on that repository we could host the latest version of
>>> the speakup source code, so that people can try it without having to
>>> patch and rebuild their whole kernel etc.
>>>
>>> Samuel
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Hosting speakup on freedesktop?

[Samuel Thibault]

Hello,

Currently we have an old git repository on
http://linux-speakup.org/speakup.git , that was not updated since
~2013.  I don't seem to have push access to it. We also have some
bug tracking on https://github.com/bytefire/speakup/issues . This
looks quite scattered, and github.com depends on the good will
of Microsoft. I'm thinking that we could have speakup hosted on
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org (freedesktop is a "completely volunteer
organisation with no corporate backing or funding stream", notably part
of X.org). We can keep the mailing list as it is, but we could move the
git repository and the issue tracking there, where it is easy to create
accounts, give rights, follow-up on bugs etc.  I have made a request for
a speakup group creation to freedesktop people.

The idea is that on that repository we could host the latest version of
the speakup source code, so that people can try it without having to
patch and rebuild their whole kernel etc.

Samuel

Re: Hosting speakup on freedesktop?

[Alexander Epaneshnikov]

22.12.2020 00:44, Samuel Thibault пишет:
> Hello,
>
> Currently we have an old git repository on
> http://linux-speakup.org/speakup.git , that was not updated since
> ~2013.  I don't seem to have push access to it. We also have some
> bug tracking on https://github.com/bytefire/speakup/issues . This
> looks quite scattered, and github.com depends on the good will
> of Microsoft. I'm thinking that we could have speakup hosted on
> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org (freedesktop is a "completely volunteer
> organisation with no corporate backing or funding stream", notably part
> of X.org). We can keep the mailing list as it is, but we could move the
> git repository and the issue tracking there, where it is easy to create
> accounts, give rights, follow-up on bugs etc.  I have made a request for
> a speakup group creation to freedesktop people.
>
> The idea is that on that repository we could host the latest version of
> the speakup source code, so that people can try it without having to
> patch and rebuild their whole kernel etc.
>
> Samuel
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
absolutely +1 to this. great idea.

-- 
Sincerely, Alexander.

Re: Hosting speakup on freedesktop?

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi Samuel et al: That works fine for me. I haven't really had much to
do with development work on speakup for a longg time. You had an
account on my server but I see it appears to have disappeared sometime
over the years for no reason I can think of.

   Kirk

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Currently we have an old git repository on
> http://linux-speakup.org/speakup.git , that was not updated since
> ~2013.  I don't seem to have push access to it. We also have some
> bug tracking on https://github.com/bytefire/speakup/issues . This
> looks quite scattered, and github.com depends on the good will
> of Microsoft. I'm thinking that we could have speakup hosted on
> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org (freedesktop is a "completely volunteer
> organisation with no corporate backing or funding stream", notably part
> of X.org). We can keep the mailing list as it is, but we could move the
> git repository and the issue tracking there, where it is easy to create
> accounts, give rights, follow-up on bugs etc.  I have made a request for
> a speakup group creation to freedesktop people.
>
> The idea is that on that repository we could host the latest version of
> the speakup source code, so that people can try it without having to
> patch and rebuild their whole kernel etc.
>
> Samuel
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Hosting speakup on freedesktop?

[Michał Zegan]

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Just one note: it may not be important enough, but whatever the problem
may or may not be with github, it is far more accessible as a site than
gitlab. I don't think gitlab fixed accessibility, ever.

W dniu 21.12.2020 o 23:03, Kirk Reiser pisze:
> Hi Samuel et al: That works fine for me. I haven't really had much to
> do with development work on speakup for a longg time. You had an
> account on my server but I see it appears to have disappeared sometime
> over the years for no reason I can think of.
> 
>   Kirk
> 
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2020, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> Currently we have an old git repository on
>> http://linux-speakup.org/speakup.git , that was not updated since
>> ~2013.  I don't seem to have push access to it. We also have some
>> bug tracking on https://github.com/bytefire/speakup/issues . This
>> looks quite scattered, and github.com depends on the good will
>> of Microsoft. I'm thinking that we could have speakup hosted on
>> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org (freedesktop is a "completely volunteer
>> organisation with no corporate backing or funding stream", notably part
>> of X.org). We can keep the mailing list as it is, but we could move the
>> git repository and the issue tracking there, where it is easy to create
>> accounts, give rights, follow-up on bugs etc.  I have made a request for
>> a speakup group creation to freedesktop people.
>>
>> The idea is that on that repository we could host the latest version of
>> the speakup source code, so that people can try it without having to
>> patch and rebuild their whole kernel etc.
>>
>> Samuel
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Hosting speakup on freedesktop?

[Samuel Thibault]

Michał Zegan, le lun. 21 déc. 2020 23:12:11 +0100, a ecrit:
> Just one note: it may not be important enough, but whatever the problem
> may or may not be with github, it is far more accessible as a site than
> gitlab.

Ah, that's an important point. Do people agree on this?

Samuel

Re: Hosting speakup on freedesktop?

[Michał Zegan]

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Also, whatever you can say about ms, they really care about
accessibility, at least for some of their projects. I have never seen
developers interested so much in the accessibility work like developers
of, for example, vscode are. And difference between github accessibility
and gitlab accessibility is/was? pretty dramatic. For example in gitlab
many things are not behaving correctly with keyboard, have to be
clicked, sometimes with orca you may hit a wrong thing, that is at least
what I remember. With github even things like at-completing people in
comments works by immediately saying the suggestions when you press the
at sign. That applies for issue reporting etc.
My info about gitlab may be outdated, but I remember myself being on
gitlab not so long ago and it didn't change.

W dniu 20.12.2020 o 23:30, Didier Spaier pisze:
> I don't see an issue using github. Recently Microsoft showed interest
> for Linux and open source:
> They are a member of the Open Invention Network, alongside Linux
> distributions including Slint :-) so they signed an agreement like
> this one http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2.1/agreement.pdf
> which protect all members.
> Recently they did their best to protect youtube-dl from a DMCA takedown:
> https://youtube-dl.org/
> https://github.blog/2020-11-16-standing-up-for-developers-youtube-dl-is-back/
> 
> 
> Additionally I prefer the interface of github over gitlab's
> 
> In the (unlikely, I think) event that github be taken down, it will
> still be possible to time to find another home for speakup, I think.
> 
> Just my two euro cents.
> 
> Cheers, Didier
> 
> On 21/12/2020 23:12, Michał Zegan wrote:
>> Just one note: it may not be important enough, but whatever the problem
>> may or may not be with github, it is far more accessible as a site than
>> gitlab. I don't think gitlab fixed accessibility, ever.
>>
>> W dniu 21.12.2020 o 23:03, Kirk Reiser pisze:
>>> Hi Samuel et al: That works fine for me. I haven't really had much to
>>> do with development work on speakup for a longg time. You had an
>>> account on my server but I see it appears to have disappeared sometime
>>> over the years for no reason I can think of.
>>>
>>>    Kirk
>>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2020, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Currently we have an old git repository on
>>>> http://linux-speakup.org/speakup.git , that was not updated since
>>>> ~2013.  I don't seem to have push access to it. We also have some
>>>> bug tracking on https://github.com/bytefire/speakup/issues . This
>>>> looks quite scattered, and github.com depends on the good will
>>>> of Microsoft. I'm thinking that we could have speakup hosted on
>>>> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org (freedesktop is a "completely volunteer
>>>> organisation with no corporate backing or funding stream", notably part
>>>> of X.org). We can keep the mailing list as it is, but we could move the
>>>> git repository and the issue tracking there, where it is easy to create
>>>> accounts, give rights, follow-up on bugs etc.  I have made a request
>>>> for
>>>> a speakup group creation to freedesktop people.
>>>>
>>>> The idea is that on that repository we could host the latest version of
>>>> the speakup source code, so that people can try it without having to
>>>> patch and rebuild their whole kernel etc.
>>>>
>>>> Samuel
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Hosting speakup on freedesktop?

[Gregory Nowak]

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:23:27PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Michał Zegan, le lun. 21 déc. 2020 23:12:11 +0100, a ecrit:
> > Just one note: it may not be important enough, but whatever the problem
> > may or may not be with github, it is far more accessible as a site than
> > gitlab.
> 
> Ah, that's an important point. Do people agree on this?

Yes. I had a gitlab account with the devuan project not too long ago
when they were still using gitlab. I found gitlab more dificult to
work with than github. Also, I already have a github account which I
can use for lots of projects, and I don't relish the idea of creating
one more account that I would probably only use for one project, since
I'm not a fan of the other freedesktop.org projects like pulseaudio
and systemd. While I'm not a fan of Microsoft either, I think it
unlikely they would close down github on short notice. Just my $0.01 worth.

Greg


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Re: Hosting speakup on freedesktop?

[Samuel Thibault]

Ok, I created a linux-speakup organization on github. I couldn't find
the account names for Kirk and Chris but I could add Okash, William and
Gregory as co-maintainers.

The speakup repository can then be found on

https://github.com/linux-speakup/speakup

or

git clone https://github.com/linux-speakup/speakup.git speakupdir


Quick build&install instructions:

cd speakupdir/modules
make clean
make
sudo make modules_install

More on this in the INSTALLATION file.

Samuel