debian package espeakup 1:0.80-2 is fucked!

debian package espeakup 1:0.80-2 is fucked!

[Kirk Reiser]

Hello Samuel and list. The most recent debian package espeakup
1:0.80-2 is subtly fucked but fucked all the same. It appears to be
from the linking against libespeak-ng or something that has changed in
the linking process.

The problem is that the flushing mechanism is not immediately clearing
the input buffer causing a spungy feeling when reviewing through a
screen of data. That is where the problem is the most noticeable.

My recommendation is to downgrade temporarily to 1:0.80-1 until the
issue can be addressed. I suspect other distributions shouldn't have
the problem.

   Kirk

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Re: debian package espeakup 1:0.80-2 is fucked!

[Chris Brannon]

Kirk Reiser <kirk@reisers.ca> writes:

> The problem is that the flushing mechanism is not immediately clearing
> the input buffer causing a spungy feeling when reviewing through a
> screen of data. That is where the problem is the most noticeable.

Related post by me about latency to the espeak list:
https://sourceforge.net/p/espeak/mailman/message/35403792/
So basically there's latency in libespeak-ng, and I'm pretty sure most
of it is in audio code.

-- Chris

Re: debian package espeakup 1:0.80-2 is fucked!

[Samuel Thibault]

Hello,

Kirk Reiser, on Sun 20 Nov 2016 11:35:15 -0500, wrote:
> The problem is that the flushing mechanism is not immediately clearing
> the input buffer causing a spungy feeling when reviewing through a
> screen of data. That is where the problem is the most noticeable.

Could you test with version 1.49.0+dfsg-3 of libespeak-ng1, which I have
just uploaded?  Upstream said he has fixed the issue.

Samuel

Re: debian package espeakup 1:0.80-2 is fucked!

[Samuel Thibault]

Hello,

Samuel Thibault, on Mon 26 Dec 2016 16:22:22 +0100, wrote:
> Kirk Reiser, on Sun 20 Nov 2016 11:35:15 -0500, wrote:
> > The problem is that the flushing mechanism is not immediately clearing
> > the input buffer causing a spungy feeling when reviewing through a
> > screen of data. That is where the problem is the most noticeable.
> 
> Could you test with version 1.49.0+dfsg-3 of libespeak-ng1, which I have
> just uploaded?  Upstream said he has fixed the issue.

Could version 1.49.0+dfsg-4 which I have just uploaded be tested
*please*?

If nobody actually tests software, there is little wonder that there
are issues.  I'm not a user of speakup, so I don't even know how to
reproduce the issue, so a real user of speakup really has to test it.

Samuel

Re: debian package espeakup 1:0.80-2 is fucked!

[Kirk Reiser]

Hello Samuel: It took me a few days before I could install the new
package onto a machine and test it. It is certainly better than the
previous version but still doesn't have the quick stop of the earlier
version.

I'm not sure exactly but it might also be that the buffer filling
time-out was reduced thus starting up speaking of the data in the
buffer more quickly and adding to the feeling that the whole feel of
the program is more spungy. I will continue to try to get a handle on
it but it still is not very pleasant to use relative to the earlier
versions.

I would of course like to hear others thoughts on this version of the
application as well.

I apologize for taking so long to respond to your request samuel.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Samuel Thibault, on Mon 26 Dec 2016 16:22:22 +0100, wrote:
>> Kirk Reiser, on Sun 20 Nov 2016 11:35:15 -0500, wrote:
>> > The problem is that the flushing mechanism is not immediately clearing
>> > the input buffer causing a spungy feeling when reviewing through a
>> > screen of data. That is where the problem is the most noticeable.
>> 
>> Could you test with version 1.49.0+dfsg-3 of libespeak-ng1, which I have
>> just uploaded?  Upstream said he has fixed the issue.
>
> Could version 1.49.0+dfsg-4 which I have just uploaded be tested
> *please*?
>
> If nobody actually tests software, there is little wonder that there
> are issues.  I'm not a user of speakup, so I don't even know how to
> reproduce the issue, so a real user of speakup really has to test it.
>
> Samuel
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: debian package espeakup 1:0.80-2 is fucked!

[Samuel Thibault]

Hello and thanks for the tests,

Kirk Reiser, on Sun 08 Jan 2017 08:04:44 -0500, wrote:
> Hello Samuel: It took me a few days before I could install the new
> package onto a machine and test it. It is certainly better than the
> previous version but still doesn't have the quick stop of the earlier
> version.

Did you test version -3 or -4?  -4 has more fixes.

I'm pushing to try using espeak-ng for Debian Stretch because it copes
with pulseaudio, while espeak does not.  But if we don't manage to fix
espeak-ng, we'll unfortunately have to revert to espeak for Stretch.

Samuel

Re: debian package espeakup 1:0.80-2 is fucked!

[Samuel Thibault]

Samuel Thibault, on Sun 08 Jan 2017 14:12:53 +0100, wrote:
> Kirk Reiser, on Sun 08 Jan 2017 08:04:44 -0500, wrote:
> > Hello Samuel: It took me a few days before I could install the new
> > package onto a machine and test it. It is certainly better than the
> > previous version but still doesn't have the quick stop of the earlier
> > version.
> 
> Did you test version -3 or -4?  -4 has more fixes.

I have uploaded a -6 version which fixes interactivity in some audio
setups.

Samuel

Re: debian package espeakup 1:0.80-2 is fucked!

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi Samuel: I've just upgraded to the most recent version of espeakup
and espeak-ng and it is actually a lot worse when moving through a
screen of data than it was in the version of a couple days ago. I'm
not saying that was anywhere as good as the pre -2 version without
espeak-ng.

You can very easily test this affect yourself. If you have speakup
running with espeakup just review up or down the screen with the 7 and
9 keys. You can feel the speech doesn't cut off immediately and in
fact it sounds like you are mixing the speech from the previous line
in the current line. It gives a sound like a shoosh at the start of
each keystroke.

I don't know why it should be but the speech interruption is nowhere
near as immediate with any of the espeak-ng packages for some reason.

If anyone else can give a better explanation of the situation please
jump in. If I'm the only person in the world using espeakup then I'll
just go away quietly and use my old version.


On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Samuel Thibault, on Sun 08 Jan 2017 14:12:53 +0100, wrote:
>> Kirk Reiser, on Sun 08 Jan 2017 08:04:44 -0500, wrote:
>> > Hello Samuel: It took me a few days before I could install the new
>> > package onto a machine and test it. It is certainly better than the
>> > previous version but still doesn't have the quick stop of the earlier
>> > version.
>> 
>> Did you test version -3 or -4?  -4 has more fixes.
>
> I have uploaded a -6 version which fixes interactivity in some audio
> setups.
>
> Samuel
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: debian package espeakup 1:0.80-2 is fucked!

[Gregory Nowak]

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 09:50:24AM -0500, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> If I'm the only person in the world using espeakup then I'll
> just go away quietly and use my old version.

No, you're not the only one using espeakup, but not all of us are
running debian unstable either, which I seem to recall you are. So,
this broken version hasn't trickled down to some of us yet.

Greg


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Re: debian package espeakup 1:0.80-2 is fucked!

[Kelly Prescott]

I am using speakup with Archlinux (the latest from the regular repos and I 
am not experiencing any problems.
kp

Re: debian package espeakup 1:0.80-2 is fucked!

[Doug Smith]

I am using espeakup that is kali linux which comes from debian testing, 
and no problems over here.




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