keeping espeakup from starting at boot

keeping espeakup from starting at boot

[John G Heim]

On the machines used by the other people in my department, I need to 
keep espeakup from starting at boot time. We run ubuntu 15.10 so I think 
this is a systemd question.   Are the settings in /etc/default 
considered depricated for systemd? There is nothing in 
/etc/default/espeakup about keeping it from starting at boot.

Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot

[Rob]

John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:


> On the machines used by the other people in my department, I need to 
> keep espeakup from starting at boot time. We run ubuntu 15.10 so I 
> think this is a systemd question.

Wouldn't you just go systemctl disable espeakup? 

Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot

[Jude DaShiell]

Easier way than that, locate where espeakup has speakup_soft defined as 
synthesizer and edit that and replace speakup_soft with none.

On Mon, 8 Feb 2016, Rob wrote:

> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:04:49
> From: Rob <captinlogic@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> To: jheim@math.wisc.edu,
>     Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot
> 
> John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
>
>> On the machines used by the other people in my department, I need to 
>> keep espeakup from starting at boot time. We run ubuntu 15.10 so I 
>> think this is a systemd question.
>
> Wouldn't you just go systemctl disable espeakup? 
>
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Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot

[John G Heim]

Yeah, I'd rather not run a command if there is a config file I can set 
it in. I have been somewhat remis in my duties as a linux systems admin 
in having not taken the time to really learn about systemd. But if it 
requires you to run a command to configure services, then it's broken.

I looked for info on configuring services in systemd. I found a nice 
blog post about why /etc/default/ files aren't really needed in systemd. 
But the advice it gives doesn't seem to apply to espeakup. It says to 
take the default config file which would be somewhere like /lib/systemd/ 
and copy it to /etc/systemd/ and edit it there. But there is no 
espeackup config file anywhere in the systemd directories. I suspect 
that espeakup is relying on the backwards compatibility features of 
systemd. As someone who has ignored systemd as long as possible myself, 
I can't fault the espeakup developers for that.


On 02/08/2016 05:24 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Easier way than that, locate where espeakup has speakup_soft defined 
> as synthesizer and edit that and replace speakup_soft with none.
>
> On Mon, 8 Feb 2016, Rob wrote:
>
>> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:04:49
>> From: Rob <captinlogic@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>     <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>> To: jheim@math.wisc.edu,
>>     Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. 
>> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>> Subject: Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot
>>
>> John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On the machines used by the other people in my department, I need to 
>>> keep espeakup from starting at boot time. We run ubuntu 15.10 so I 
>>> think this is a systemd question.
>>
>> Wouldn't you just go systemctl disable espeakup?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>

Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot

[John G Heim]

I ran 'systemctl disable espeakup' on one workstation and it said that 
espeakup is not a native systemd service. It then ran insserv for me. 
Insserv modified several files including /etc/init.d/.depend.boot. But I 
didn't find any clear/easy way to disable espeakup via just setting a 
flag in a config file.

So I just punted and deleted /etc/rcS.d/S02espeakup.

I manage approximately 100 workstations and I'd prefer to set a flag in 
a config file because I can easily ship that config file to all 100 
workstations. It's just as easy to run a command on all 100 workstations 
but then there is no record of the command having been run. Well, it 
would be in a log but logs get rotated out. If it's a flag in a config 
file, it's just there. You can check on it a month from now or a year 
from now and know how the service is configured.

My guess though is that I'll be able to get what I want once everything 
is converted to systemd. It looks like you will be able to create a 
custom config file in /etc/systemd/ that enables or disables the service 
at boot. In some ways that's better and in some ways it's worse. If the 
file exists at all, you know the configuration has been customized. 
However,if a service isn't working, you might not think to look for a 
custom systemd config file.


On 02/08/2016 05:24 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Easier way than that, locate where espeakup has speakup_soft defined 
> as synthesizer and edit that and replace speakup_soft with none.
>
> On Mon, 8 Feb 2016, Rob wrote:
>
>> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:04:49
>> From: Rob <captinlogic@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>     <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>> To: jheim@math.wisc.edu,
>>     Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. 
>> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>> Subject: Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot
>>
>> John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On the machines used by the other people in my department, I need to 
>>> keep espeakup from starting at boot time. We run ubuntu 15.10 so I 
>>> think this is a systemd question.
>>
>> Wouldn't you just go systemctl disable espeakup?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>

Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot

[Samuel Thibault]

Hello,

update-rc.d is the standard Debian command to enable/disable a service.

Samuel

Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot

[John G Heim]

I'm running ubuntu 15.10 but isn't that command depricated even in 
debian jessie?


On 02/09/2016 10:38 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> update-rc.d is the standard Debian command to enable/disable a service.
>
> Samuel

Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot

[Samuel Thibault]

John G Heim, on Tue 09 Feb 2016 10:51:45 -0600, wrote:
> I'm running ubuntu 15.10 but isn't that command depricated even in debian
> jessie?

Nope.

Samuel

Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot

[Jude DaShiell]

Perhaps grep can find which file on a system has speakup=speakup_soft in 
it and even tell you the line number to check.  Since you're an 
administrator perhaps do a recursive search from the / directory with 
grep and if that comes back with no results then what I found in debian 
long ago is probably no longer there.

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016, John G Heim wrote:

> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 11:32:24
> From: John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu>
> To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>,
>     Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot
> 
> I ran 'systemctl disable espeakup' on one workstation and it said that 
> espeakup is not a native systemd service. It then ran insserv for me. Insserv 
> modified several files including /etc/init.d/.depend.boot. But I didn't find 
> any clear/easy way to disable espeakup via just setting a flag in a config 
> file.
>
> So I just punted and deleted /etc/rcS.d/S02espeakup.
>
> I manage approximately 100 workstations and I'd prefer to set a flag in a 
> config file because I can easily ship that config file to all 100 
> workstations. It's just as easy to run a command on all 100 workstations but 
> then there is no record of the command having been run. Well, it would be in 
> a log but logs get rotated out. If it's a flag in a config file, it's just 
> there. You can check on it a month from now or a year from now and know how 
> the service is configured.
>
> My guess though is that I'll be able to get what I want once everything is 
> converted to systemd. It looks like you will be able to create a custom 
> config file in /etc/systemd/ that enables or disables the service at boot. In 
> some ways that's better and in some ways it's worse. If the file exists at 
> all, you know the configuration has been customized. However,if a service 
> isn't working, you might not think to look for a custom systemd config file.
>
>
> On 02/08/2016 05:24 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> Easier way than that, locate where espeakup has speakup_soft defined as 
>> synthesizer and edit that and replace speakup_soft with none.
>> 
>> On Mon, 8 Feb 2016, Rob wrote:
>> 
>>> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:04:49
>>> From: Rob <captinlogic@gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>>     <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>>> To: jheim@math.wisc.edu,
>>>     Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. 
>>> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
>>> Subject: Re: keeping espeakup from starting at boot
>>> 
>>> John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On the machines used by the other people in my department, I need to keep 
>>>> espeakup from starting at boot time. We run ubuntu 15.10 so I think this 
>>>> is a systemd question.
>>> 
>>> Wouldn't you just go systemctl disable espeakup?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> 
>> 
>
>

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