best cli web browser & email programs

best cli web browser & email programs

[John Heim]

My netbook broke down and I'm thinking of going back to the linux command 
line & speakup on a computer on a board (something like a Raspberry Pie). 
Instead of buying a new computer, I was thinking of using one of the under 
powered machines I can get for free and then using speakup. It would have 
the advantage that ssh would be rock solid and that's what I need the most 
when I'm on the road. What web browser and email program do people prefer?


I used to use pine as my primary mail program. That was a few years ago 
though. I mean, I used pine even on a system with a GUI.  How about mutt? 
Anybody like that?

Then for browser, I've used lynx and edbrowse but only for testing purposes. 
If I work at it, can I get proficient enough to browse the web about as 
easily as I would in a GUI?

Re: best cli web browser & email programs

[Littlefield, Tyler]

pine and mutt are both still common solutions.
As for browsing, there's a lot you can't do still. edbrowse, w3m and 
elinks are all good (and some do some things better than others), but 
not amazing and there's still a lot of stuff they won't work with.
On 4/26/2012 8:27 AM, John Heim wrote:
> My netbook broke down and I'm thinking of going back to the linux 
> command line & speakup on a computer on a board (something like a 
> Raspberry Pie). Instead of buying a new computer, I was thinking of 
> using one of the under powered machines I can get for free and then 
> using speakup. It would have the advantage that ssh would be rock 
> solid and that's what I need the most when I'm on the road. What web 
> browser and email program do people prefer?
>
>
> I used to use pine as my primary mail program. That was a few years 
> ago though. I mean, I used pine even on a system with a GUI.  How 
> about mutt? Anybody like that?
>
> Then for browser, I've used lynx and edbrowse but only for testing 
> purposes. If I work at it, can I get proficient enough to browse the 
> web about as easily as I would in a GUI?
>
>
>
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Re: best cli web browser & email programs

[Kirk Reiser]

Both alpine and mutt are good mail solutions.  I used to use mutt when
I need pgp/gpg for signing because alpine didn't support it but now
both programs support encryption and digital signatures.  I find
alpine does a bit better job of including your web browser into html
mail so use it most of the time these days.

As for web browsing, we are all looking for the perfect solution which
as far as I know nobody has discovered.  I am fond of elinks compiled
with simple js support from the elinks git repository.  When I need a
bit more js support although unfortunately not total support I use
edbrowse which is very much like the old ed program.

YMMV as they say.
   Kirk

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, John Heim wrote:

> My netbook broke down and I'm thinking of going back to the linux command 
> line & speakup on a computer on a board (something like a Raspberry Pie). 
> Instead of buying a new computer, I was thinking of using one of the under 
> powered machines I can get for free and then using speakup. It would have the 
> advantage that ssh would be rock solid and that's what I need the most when 
> I'm on the road. What web browser and email program do people prefer?
>
>
> I used to use pine as my primary mail program. That was a few years ago 
> though. I mean, I used pine even on a system with a GUI.  How about mutt? 
> Anybody like that?
>
> Then for browser, I've used lynx and edbrowse but only for testing purposes. 
> If I work at it, can I get proficient enough to browse the web about as 
> easily as I would in a GUI?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: best cli web browser & email programs

[John Heim]

Lets see, I bought my Pac Mate maybe 4 years ago. So its been that long 
since I use the linux CLI as my main mobile interface. But it sounds like 
nothing has changed.  Well, there's no more pine. Its been converted to 
alpine.  I guess it was unrealistic to expect someone to come back and say 
that there is a web browser just like firefox only for the CLI.

PS: Just to be clear, I'm not using an actual Raspberry Pie. I have 
something similar manufactured by a company called Soekris. It costs about 8 
times as much as a Raspberry Pie, is about 4 times the size, and doesn't 
have nearly the features. Other than that its just the same.  Runs the 
debian CLI real nice though.

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From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: best cli web browser & email programs


> Both alpine and mutt are good mail solutions.  I used to use mutt when
> I need pgp/gpg for signing because alpine didn't support it but now
> both programs support encryption and digital signatures.  I find
> alpine does a bit better job of including your web browser into html
> mail so use it most of the time these days.
>
> As for web browsing, we are all looking for the perfect solution which
> as far as I know nobody has discovered.  I am fond of elinks compiled
> with simple js support from the elinks git repository.  When I need a
> bit more js support although unfortunately not total support I use
> edbrowse which is very much like the old ed program.
>
> YMMV as they say.
>   Kirk
>
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, John Heim wrote:
>
>> My netbook broke down and I'm thinking of going back to the linux command 
>> line & speakup on a computer on a board (something like a Raspberry Pie). 
>> Instead of buying a new computer, I was thinking of using one of the 
>> under powered machines I can get for free and then using speakup. It 
>> would have the advantage that ssh would be rock solid and that's what I 
>> need the most when I'm on the road. What web browser and email program do 
>> people prefer?
>>
>>
>> I used to use pine as my primary mail program. That was a few years ago 
>> though. I mean, I used pine even on a system with a GUI.  How about mutt? 
>> Anybody like that?
>>
>> Then for browser, I've used lynx and edbrowse but only for testing 
>> purposes. If I work at it, can I get proficient enough to browse the web 
>> about as easily as I would in a GUI?
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
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Re: best cli web browser & email programs

[Igor Gueths]

I used Mutt and Elinks here, and they both work very well; the former working
only for casual web browsing, as client-side scripting support is lacking.
Although, what is surprising is that to this day I can still buy stuff on Amazon
with zero client-side scripting.
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:39:55AM -0500, John Heim wrote:
> Lets see, I bought my Pac Mate maybe 4 years ago. So its been that
> long since I use the linux CLI as my main mobile interface. But it
> sounds like nothing has changed.  Well, there's no more pine. Its
> been converted to alpine.  I guess it was unrealistic to expect
> someone to come back and say that there is a web browser just like
> firefox only for the CLI.
> 
> PS: Just to be clear, I'm not using an actual Raspberry Pie. I have
> something similar manufactured by a company called Soekris. It costs
> about 8 times as much as a Raspberry Pie, is about 4 times the size,
> and doesn't have nearly the features. Other than that its just the
> same.  Runs the debian CLI real nice though.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Reiser"
> <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: best cli web browser & email programs
> 
> 
> >Both alpine and mutt are good mail solutions.  I used to use mutt when
> >I need pgp/gpg for signing because alpine didn't support it but now
> >both programs support encryption and digital signatures.  I find
> >alpine does a bit better job of including your web browser into html
> >mail so use it most of the time these days.
> >
> >As for web browsing, we are all looking for the perfect solution which
> >as far as I know nobody has discovered.  I am fond of elinks compiled
> >with simple js support from the elinks git repository.  When I need a
> >bit more js support although unfortunately not total support I use
> >edbrowse which is very much like the old ed program.
> >
> >YMMV as they say.
> >  Kirk
> >
> >On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, John Heim wrote:
> >
> >>My netbook broke down and I'm thinking of going back to the
> >>linux command line & speakup on a computer on a board (something
> >>like a Raspberry Pie). Instead of buying a new computer, I was
> >>thinking of using one of the under powered machines I can get
> >>for free and then using speakup. It would have the advantage
> >>that ssh would be rock solid and that's what I need the most
> >>when I'm on the road. What web browser and email program do
> >>people prefer?
> >>
> >>
> >>I used to use pine as my primary mail program. That was a few
> >>years ago though. I mean, I used pine even on a system with a
> >>GUI.  How about mutt? Anybody like that?
> >>
> >>Then for browser, I've used lynx and edbrowse but only for
> >>testing purposes. If I work at it, can I get proficient enough
> >>to browse the web about as easily as I would in a GUI?
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> >>
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Re: best cli web browser & email programs

[Doug Smith]

I have an idea if anyone on here would be willing to help me with it.  Is there any way to use w3m with the 
new v8 javascript engine used in google chrome?  Just take out the error handling code which simply says 
that w3m is not able to handle javascript links and plug in whatever is needed to make it work with the 
javascript engine.  I thought of that the other night, but I am not familiar enough with interconnecting C 
and C++ nor am I familiar with deciding which files in a multi-file package to modify.  If I were, I would 
try this.  

If anyone is willing to help me, I will work with you.  



Thank you. 



Doug Smith

Re: best cli web browser & email programs

[Pia]

I love pine and lynx.  There are other pretty neat browsers out there you 
can try like links (spelled with an i instead of a y" and also w3m which 
is also a text based web browser that I think is great. elinks is another 
text browser.  Of course there is mutt for mail, but in the end I have to 
admit my favorite combo for me is the classic pine and lynx as you 
mentioned.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, John Heim wrote:

> My netbook broke down and I'm thinking of going back to the linux command 
> line & speakup on a computer on a board (something like a Raspberry Pie). 
> Instead of buying a new computer, I was thinking of using one of the under 
> powered machines I can get for free and then using speakup. It would have the 
> advantage that ssh would be rock solid and that's what I need the most when 
> I'm on the road. What web browser and email program do people prefer?
>
>
> I used to use pine as my primary mail program. That was a few years ago 
> though. I mean, I used pine even on a system with a GUI.  How about mutt? 
> Anybody like that?
>
> Then for browser, I've used lynx and edbrowse but only for testing purposes. 
> If I work at it, can I get proficient enough to browse the web about as 
> easily as I would in a GUI?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: best cli web browser & email programs

[Gregory Nowak]

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On the web browsing front, I was toying around with an idea for a
while that I hadn't had a chance to really explore yet, but it should
work. I have a virtual machine on my server box running debian with
speakup/gnome. I also have an old laptop 266 MHz, 96 megs of ram that
won't run gnome, but is the only thing I have right now if I want to
go portable. So what I was thinking of is to install a x terminal on the
laptop, forward x over ssh from the virtual machine, and use firefox,
or icewheasel as debian calls it from the laptop, but actually running
on the much more powerful and roomy virtual machine. Icewheasel/orca
doesn't come close to windows in my experience, but should do the job
on most, if not all sites if you're patient in navigating
pages. Muttering unmentionable words under your breath seems to help
too some times (grin).

Once I've had a chance to look into this, and try doing it, I can
report back if you want.

Greg


On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 03:19:04PM -0400, Doug Smith wrote:
> I have an idea if anyone on here would be willing to help me with it.  Is there any way to use w3m with the 
> new v8 javascript engine used in google chrome?  Just take out the error handling code which simply says 
> that w3m is not able to handle javascript links and plug in whatever is needed to make it work with the 
> javascript engine.  I thought of that the other night, but I am not familiar enough with interconnecting C 
> and C++ nor am I familiar with deciding which files in a multi-file package to modify.  If I were, I would 
> try this.  
> 
> If anyone is willing to help me, I will work with you.  
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you. 
> 
> 
> 
> Doug Smith
> 
> 
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Re: best cli web browser & email programs

[Pia]

Oh yeah, I forgot in my last email that when I say I use pine, I really 
mean the rewritten from scratch next generation of it called alpine. 
Check it out.  It is pine, rewritten but same interface with functionality 
improvements.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Kirk Reiser wrote:

> Both alpine and mutt are good mail solutions.  I used to use mutt when
> I need pgp/gpg for signing because alpine didn't support it but now
> both programs support encryption and digital signatures.  I find
> alpine does a bit better job of including your web browser into html
> mail so use it most of the time these days.
>
> As for web browsing, we are all looking for the perfect solution which
> as far as I know nobody has discovered.  I am fond of elinks compiled
> with simple js support from the elinks git repository.  When I need a
> bit more js support although unfortunately not total support I use
> edbrowse which is very much like the old ed program.
>
> YMMV as they say.
>  Kirk
>
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, John Heim wrote:
>
>> My netbook broke down and I'm thinking of going back to the linux command 
>> line & speakup on a computer on a board (something like a Raspberry Pie). 
>> Instead of buying a new computer, I was thinking of using one of the under 
>> powered machines I can get for free and then using speakup. It would have 
>> the advantage that ssh would be rock solid and that's what I need the most 
>> when I'm on the road. What web browser and email program do people prefer?
>> 
>> 
>> I used to use pine as my primary mail program. That was a few years ago 
>> though. I mean, I used pine even on a system with a GUI.  How about mutt? 
>> Anybody like that?
>> 
>> Then for browser, I've used lynx and edbrowse but only for testing 
>> purposes. If I work at it, can I get proficient enough to browse the web 
>> about as easily as I would in a GUI?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
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Re: best cli web browser & email programs

[Hart Larry]

Actually I think alpine became re-alpine
I feel quite at home browsing in Lynx.  1 of the folks in our LUG writes 
scripts-and-externals which are quite helpful.
In general though an average web site is getting ruined by javascript or lack 
of printer friendly pages of articles.
Hart

Re: best cli web browser & email programs

[Jason White]

John Heim <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> wrote:
>Lets see, I bought my Pac Mate maybe 4 years ago. So its been that long 
>since I use the linux CLI as my main mobile interface. But it sounds like 
>nothing has changed.  Well, there's no more pine. Its been converted to 
>alpine.  I guess it was unrealistic to expect someone to come back and say 
>that there is a web browser just like firefox only for the CLI.

I think you mean the console, not the CLI - if you want the command line
experience then it's edbrowse, nmh (or mailx) for mail, etc.

There's a Webkit-based browser that provides a Vi-style keyboard interface by
default. I can't remember the name, but it was reviewed at LWN. It would
require you to run an X environment though, and I don't know how accessible it
is. There are some very small X environments and you should be able to use a
null server in place of a video card, if desired.

I work almost completely at the console and within Emacs, only running X
occasionally when I want to access script-intensive Web sites. I even invoke
LibreOffice from the console using the Unoconv script, which uses LibreOffice
to convert various file formats.

Re: best cli web browser & email programs

[Jason White]

Doug Smith  <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> wrote:
>I have an idea if anyone on here would be willing to help me with it.  Is there any way to use w3m with the 
>new v8 javascript engine used in google chrome?  Just take out the error handling code which simply says 
>that w3m is not able to handle javascript links and plug in whatever is needed to make it work with the 
>javascript engine.  

I expect it would be possible, but the Javascript interpreter really isn't the
issue that people on this thread are concerned about. After all, Elinks,
Edbrowse, etc., all use Mozilla's Javascript library.

The problem is with all those Web APIs that have to be implemented within the
browser: Document Object Model, XMLHTTPRequest, HTML5 APIs, Aria, etc. There
are only two open implementations of the above, namely Mozilla Gecko and
WebKit. I do not expect a third implementation to arise unless there is a good
reason for it that can attract a large community of developers.