Install Debian from within another distro

Install Debian from within another distro

[Cleverson Casarin Uliana]

Dear,

I have never used Debian before. I'd like to try it now, either the 
stable or preferably the testing branch. Because I have already two 
distros installed here, Vinux and Arch Linux, I'd like to know if there 
is any method for installing Debian from within another runing distro 
and have it talking after boot.

If there is some CD or pendrive speech enabled image similar to Chris 
Brannon's Arch Linux, please point me too.

Thank you,
Cleverson

Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Tyler Littlefield]

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You can use debootstrap from any distro or grml comes built with it,
just boot to grml, and your set.
Make your directory to mount.
Make your partitions
mount the partitions
mount --bind /dev dir/dev
mount--bind /proc dir/proc
debootstrap lenny dir
chroot dir /bin/bash (Ithink that is the right order)
install your kernel and grub, set root password with passwd root, set up
/etc/network/interfaces.
you can also grab speakup, and install that. Just make sure you change
the KERNELDIR from the uname -r to the actual directory that it points
to, because uname-r will return the GRML running kernel.

On 10/11/2010 6:46 PM, Cleverson Casarin Uliana wrote:
> Dear,
> 
> I have never used Debian before. I'd like to try it now, either the
> stable or preferably the testing branch. Because I have already two
> distros installed here, Vinux and Arch Linux, I'd like to know if there
> is any method for installing Debian from within another runing distro
> and have it talking after boot.
> 
> If there is some CD or pendrive speech enabled image similar to Chris
> Brannon's Arch Linux, please point me too.
> 
> Thank you,
> Cleverson
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 


- -- 
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
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Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Luke Yelavich]

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:12:22PM EST, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
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> You can use debootstrap from any distro or grml comes built with it,
> just boot to grml, and your set.
> Make your directory to mount.
> Make your partitions
> mount the partitions
> mount --bind /dev dir/dev
> mount--bind /proc dir/proc
> debootstrap lenny dir
> chroot dir /bin/bash (Ithink that is the right order)
> install your kernel and grub, set root password with passwd root, set up
> /etc/network/interfaces.
> you can also grab speakup, and install that. Just make sure you change
> the KERNELDIR from the uname -r to the actual directory that it points
> to, because uname-r will return the GRML running kernel.

You also need to set up /etc/hosts, /etc/fstab, install/configure locales and configure your keyboard layout. There is likely more that I can't think of at the moment...

Luke

Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Tyler Littlefield]

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forgot /etc/fstab, I've not had issues with locales until after I
booted, nor have I had keyboard issues (your milage may very)

On 10/11/2010 7:19 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:12:22PM EST, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
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>> You can use debootstrap from any distro or grml comes built with it,
>> just boot to grml, and your set.
>> Make your directory to mount.
>> Make your partitions
>> mount the partitions
>> mount --bind /dev dir/dev
>> mount--bind /proc dir/proc
>> debootstrap lenny dir
>> chroot dir /bin/bash (Ithink that is the right order)
>> install your kernel and grub, set root password with passwd root, set up
>> /etc/network/interfaces.
>> you can also grab speakup, and install that. Just make sure you change
>> the KERNELDIR from the uname -r to the actual directory that it points
>> to, because uname-r will return the GRML running kernel.
> 
> You also need to set up /etc/hosts, /etc/fstab, install/configure locales and configure your keyboard layout. There is likely more that I can't think of at the moment...
> 
> Luke
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 


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Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
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Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Cleverson Casarin Uliana]

Thank you Tyler and Luke. Debootstrap seems good, but it lacks audio and 
accessibility settings. I recall that Samuel had created some unofficial 
talking image, but haven't found where to grab it. Does it have software 
speech? What's its state, is it working yet?

Thanks,
Cleverson
Em 11/10/2010 23:29, Tyler Littlefield escreveu:
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> forgot /etc/fstab, I've not had issues with locales until after I
> booted, nor have I had keyboard issues (your milage may very)
>
> On 10/11/2010 7:19 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:12:22PM EST, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
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>>> You can use debootstrap from any distro or grml comes built with it,
>>> just boot to grml, and your set.
>>> Make your directory to mount.
>>> Make your partitions
>>> mount the partitions
>>> mount --bind /dev dir/dev
>>> mount--bind /proc dir/proc
>>> debootstrap lenny dir
>>> chroot dir /bin/bash (Ithink that is the right order)
>>> install your kernel and grub, set root password with passwd root, set up
>>> /etc/network/interfaces.
>>> you can also grab speakup, and install that. Just make sure you change
>>> the KERNELDIR from the uname -r to the actual directory that it points
>>> to, because uname-r will return the GRML running kernel.
>>
>> You also need to set up /etc/hosts, /etc/fstab, install/configure locales and configure your keyboard layout. There is likely more that I can't think of at the moment...
>>
>> Luke
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
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> Thanks,
> Tyler Littlefield
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> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
Cleverson

Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Samuel Thibault]

Cleverson Casarin Uliana, le Tue 12 Oct 2010 09:40:25 -0300, a écrit :
> Thank you Tyler and Luke. Debootstrap seems good, but it lacks audio and 
> accessibility settings. I recall that Samuel had created some unofficial 
> talking image, but haven't found where to grab it.

I guess someone with proper rights should add a page with such links, as
such question keeps repeated over and over on mailing lists...

http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/

the espeakup images, the -2 variant are more recent and should be
working, but nobody answered by call for testing.

> Does it have software speech?

Official Debian images already have hardware speech, so my image is
about adding software speech, yes.

> What's its state, is it working yet?

It should be working, at least it works for me, but nobody confirmed
this.

Samuel

Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Christopher Brannon]

Tyler Littlefield <tyler@tysdomain.com> writes:

> You can use debootstrap from any distro or grml comes built with it,

When you install grml to the hard drive, don't you basically get Debian
testing?  That's what I remember, anyway.
I'm inclined to advise the original poster to just install grml to the
hard drive.  Although I'm not fond of recommending something other than
Arch, grml gets two thumbs up from me.

-- Chris

Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Cleverson Casarin Uliana]

OK, I grabbed it and added your personal directory to my bookmarks. Just 
some more questions:

I guess there is no beep to indicate when to enter boot options, right? 
How can I activate software speech? Is it possible to change 
voices/languages?

Apart from having speech, does it behave like any standard netinstall image?

Is there any special trick for speakup, or it will read all of the 
installer straight away?

I suggest placing a README file at the same directory where the images 
are, explaining those accessibility related options.

Thanks for your attention and patience.

Em 12/10/2010 09:48, Samuel Thibault escreveu:
> Cleverson Casarin Uliana, le Tue 12 Oct 2010 09:40:25 -0300, a écrit :
>> Thank you Tyler and Luke. Debootstrap seems good, but it lacks audio and
>> accessibility settings. I recall that Samuel had created some unofficial
>> talking image, but haven't found where to grab it.
>
> I guess someone with proper rights should add a page with such links, as
> such question keeps repeated over and over on mailing lists...
>
> http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/
>
> the espeakup images, the -2 variant are more recent and should be
> working, but nobody answered by call for testing.
>
>> Does it have software speech?
>
> Official Debian images already have hardware speech, so my image is
> about adding software speech, yes.
>
>> What's its state, is it working yet?
>
> It should be working, at least it works for me, but nobody confirmed
> this.
>
> Samuel
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
Cleverson

Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Samuel Thibault]

Cleverson Casarin Uliana, le Tue 12 Oct 2010 10:27:08 -0300, a écrit :
> I guess there is no beep to indicate when to enter boot options, right? 

Just like officiel Debian images, there is.

> How can I activate software speech?

It's selected by default on these images. The plan is to make it the
last item of the menu on official Debian images, thus easy to select.

> Is it possible to change voices/languages?

That'll be automatic according to your language/country selection.

> Apart from having speech, does it behave like any standard netinstall image?

Sure.

> Is there any special trick for speakup, or it will read all of the 
> installer straight away?

It's just normal speakup.

> I suggest placing a README file at the same directory where the images 
> are, explaining those accessibility related options.

Well, there's really not much to explain, as everything is automatic.

Samuel

Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Cleverson Casarin Uliana]

OK, I don't promise a feedback for today, but I'm gonna test it surely.

Thank you!

Em 12/10/2010 10:39, Samuel Thibault escreveu:
> Cleverson Casarin Uliana, le Tue 12 Oct 2010 10:27:08 -0300, a écrit :
>> I guess there is no beep to indicate when to enter boot options, right?
>
> Just like officiel Debian images, there is.
>
>> How can I activate software speech?
>
> It's selected by default on these images. The plan is to make it the
> last item of the menu on official Debian images, thus easy to select.
>
>> Is it possible to change voices/languages?
>
> That'll be automatic according to your language/country selection.
>
>> Apart from having speech, does it behave like any standard netinstall image?
>
> Sure.
>
>> Is there any special trick for speakup, or it will read all of the
>> installer straight away?
>
> It's just normal speakup.
>
>> I suggest placing a README file at the same directory where the images
>> are, explaining those accessibility related options.
>
> Well, there's really not much to explain, as everything is automatic.
>
> Samuel
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
Cleverson

Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Tyler Littlefield]

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You get grml with a ton of junk, assuming grml will install. grml2hd has
never worked on multiple systems for me, it just hangs half way through.
On 10/12/2010 7:25 AM, Christopher Brannon wrote:
> Tyler Littlefield <tyler@tysdomain.com> writes:
> 
>> You can use debootstrap from any distro or grml comes built with it,
> 
> When you install grml to the hard drive, don't you basically get Debian
> testing?  That's what I remember, anyway.
> I'm inclined to advise the original poster to just install grml to the
> hard drive.  Although I'm not fond of recommending something other than
> Arch, grml gets two thumbs up from me.
> 
> -- Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 


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Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
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Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Cleverson Casarin Uliana]

Sorry Samuel, I'd like to know one more thing:

Is it possible to use your netinst image to create a speech enabled 
bootable USB pendrive, either by copying the entire image or by mounting 
it and copying specific files to the pendrive and issuing some command 
to make it bootable? I have the Ubuntu-based Vinux installed here, so I 
could make that process from it.

Thanks,
Em 12/10/2010 10:50, Cleverson Casarin Uliana escreveu:
> OK, I don't promise a feedback for today, but I'm gonna test it surely.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Em 12/10/2010 10:39, Samuel Thibault escreveu:
>> Cleverson Casarin Uliana, le Tue 12 Oct 2010 10:27:08 -0300, a écrit :
>>> I guess there is no beep to indicate when to enter boot options, right?
>>
>> Just like officiel Debian images, there is.
>>
>>> How can I activate software speech?
>>
>> It's selected by default on these images. The plan is to make it the
>> last item of the menu on official Debian images, thus easy to select.
>>
>>> Is it possible to change voices/languages?
>>
>> That'll be automatic according to your language/country selection.
>>
>>> Apart from having speech, does it behave like any standard netinstall
>>> image?
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>>> Is there any special trick for speakup, or it will read all of the
>>> installer straight away?
>>
>> It's just normal speakup.
>>
>>> I suggest placing a README file at the same directory where the images
>>> are, explaining those accessibility related options.
>>
>> Well, there's really not much to explain, as everything is automatic.
>>
>> Samuel
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>

-- 
Cleverson

Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Samuel Thibault]

Cleverson Casarin Uliana, le Tue 12 Oct 2010 12:12:55 -0300, a écrit :
> Is it possible to use your netinst image to create a speech enabled 
> bootable USB pendrive, either by copying the entire image or by mounting 
> it and copying specific files to the pendrive and issuing some command 
> to make it bootable?

Sure, it's the second method described on
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html

For your convenience, I've prepared speakup-fixed boot.img.gz images on
http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/

Samuel

Samuel's image report, was Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Cleverson Casarin Uliana]

Hello Samuel,

Thank you for making the USB image. I copied it to my pendrive using 
zcat as described in the chapter you pointed me, and then copied the iso 
image there.

When I booted to the USB pendrive, I had no speech. With a sighted 
assistance, i was able to set my locale and language. After that, the 
installer reported that one step of the installation had failed, that's 
the configure speech voices.

I then run configure speech voices again from the main menu, and it 
failed again, then I aborted and exited.

For you info, I have had problems getting sound to work on my machine 
more than once in the past. GRML has always worked, but an old enabled 
Arch Linux image made by Chris has not.

I recall that Chris has kindly made a testing image for me last April 
and it worked fine. It was based on kernel 2.6.35 if I'm not wrong.

My machine has an Intel Pentium D processor, an Intel chipset with 
onboard network, video, and a high definition Intel soundcard.

Although the processor is 64 bit capable, I always install i386 systems, 
as the machine has only 1 gb of RAM.

Thanks anyways.
Cleverson
Em 12/10/2010 12:58, Samuel Thibault escreveu:
> Cleverson Casarin Uliana, le Tue 12 Oct 2010 12:12:55 -0300, a écrit :
>> Is it possible to use your netinst image to create a speech enabled
>> bootable USB pendrive, either by copying the entire image or by mounting
>> it and copying specific files to the pendrive and issuing some command
>> to make it bootable?
>
> Sure, it's the second method described on
> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html
>
> For your convenience, I've prepared speakup-fixed boot.img.gz images on
> http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/
>
> Samuel
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
Cleverson

Re: Samuel's image report, was Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Samuel Thibault]

Cleverson Casarin Uliana, le Tue 12 Oct 2010 15:09:37 -0300, a écrit :
> When I booted to the USB pendrive, I had no speech.

That's not normal, no need to proceed further.  What is your sound board
precisely?  What driver do you usually use in Linux?

> Although the processor is 64 bit capable, I always install i386 systems, 
> as the machine has only 1 gb of RAM.

1GB of RAM is already a good reason for using a 64bit kernel, as
exploiting more than ~800MB is tedious for linux in i386 mode.

Samuel

Re: Samuel's image report, was Re: Install Debian from within another distro

[Cleverson Casarin Uliana]

Samuel Thibault writes:
> That's not normal, no need to proceed further.  What is your sound board
> precisely?  What driver do you usually use in Linux?
>
Just answered in private with some files attached.

Thanks.

>> Although the processor is 64 bit capable, I always install i386 systems,
>> as the machine has only 1 gb of RAM.
>
> 1GB of RAM is already a good reason for using a 64bit kernel, as
> exploiting more than ~800MB is tedious for linux in i386 mode.
>
> Samuel
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
Cleverson