Fetching from gmail

Fetching from gmail

[Cheryl Homiak]

Is anybody currently fetching mail with fetchmail from gmail? I found  
a tutorial for this online but (1) when I ran the command to get the  
certificate I got two begin and end certificates and I didn't know  
whether to include both and whether or not to include what was in  
between the two; and (2) the tutorial gave an issuer certificate and I  
think I got an error re: this so that cert may not be current. I know  
I have the gmail end set correctly because I can get my email on my  
Mac with Apple mail with no problem but I'd also like to have the  
option of getting it on my linux system. Any help with how you got the  
correct cert. and exactly what you put in your .fetchmailrc (though I  
think I may have this part right) would be appreciated.

Tia.

--  

Cheryl
"Let the words of my mouth,
and the meditation of my heart,
be acceptable in thy sight,
O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer."
(Psalm 19:14  Bible KJV)

Re: Fetching from gmail

[Trevor Saunders]

hi,

no ssl cert is necessary, here is the relevant part of my fetchmailrc.  then I usually then just do fetchmail -d 50 to have fetchmail poll gmail every 50 seconds.  The site that says generating a ssl cert is incorrect all you need is to tell fetchmail to use ssl.


poll pop.gmail.com with proto POP3  with options no dns
user trev.saunders@gmail.com
password  <my password>
ssl
is tbsaunde
mda procmail

by the way if anyone uses fetchmail with imap and retrieves multiple folders I would be interested to know the syntax for this in my .fetchmailrc.

Trev

Re: Fetching from gmail

[Cheryl Homiak]

Oh, it's so much simpler!!! I'm glad I don't have to use cert. though  
I've done it successfully with one provider. this works just fine;  
thanks.

--  

Cheryl
"Let the words of my mouth,
and the meditation of my heart,
be acceptable in thy sight,
O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer."
(Psalm 19:14  Bible KJV)

Re: Fetching from gmail

[Tony Baechler]

I don't use fetchmail, but the "offlineimap" package might do what you 
want.  It's designed for multiple folders.  Perhaps it could be 
integrated somehow.  It's in Debian, I don't know about other distros.

On 10/27/2009 7:04 AM, Trevor Saunders wrote:
> by the way if anyone uses fetchmail with imap and retrieves multiple folders I would be interested to know the syntax for this in my .fetchmailrc.
>    

Re: Fetching from gmail

[Christopher Moore]

Hello,
The best way I've found to use gmail on linux is via mutt with a special 
config file to access the imap server.  

I found info in this through google.  

Chris

Re: Fetching from gmail

[Steve Holmes]

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Yes, I use mutt to get gmail from two different accounts and I support
multiple folders on each of them.  The mutt setup is actually pretty
easy as I've used imap for some time on other systems prior to gmail.
The important thing to realize with gmail and IMAP is when deleting
unwanted messages, you need to copy them to '=Trash' (exclude the
quotes and realize that is capital T on Trash).  If you just delete
them like on standard IMAP systems and then expunge them with mutt's
'x' command, the Inbox label will be removed and the messages will end
up in your 'All Mail' folder forever! that happened to me for a long
time before I realized what was happening and I still have over 8,000
messages to eventually clear out on one of my accounts.

Otherwise, gmail with IMAP is quite cool.  I never use POP.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 09:06:20AM -0400, Christopher Moore wrote:
> Hello,
> The best way I've found to use gmail on linux is via mutt with a special 
> config file to access the imap server.  
> 
> I found info in this through google.  
> 
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Fetching from gmail

[Gaijin]

On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 10:51:17PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> The important thing to realize with gmail and IMAP is when deleting
> unwanted messages, you need to copy them to '=Trash' (exclude the
> quotes and realize that is capital T on Trash).

	I prefer POP3 with mutt.  If you take longer than 10 minutes to 
compose a reply using IMAP, mut crashes when Google drops your 
connection.  You can set your g-mail settings on the website to drop 
everything you've downloaded with POP3 to the trash.  I understand 
Google dumps the trash on a monthly basis, but I never let it stay full 
for long enough to find out. 

	I don't really bother saving mail any more and just jot down the 
occasional note from something here, like URLs.  I just hate the way 
Google has IMAP set up, like you said, and dropping everything into 
All-Mail.  Unfortunately, my cheap ISP elected to switch it's mail 
service over to G-Mail, and wrecked my ability to run a mail server like 
sendmail with multiple accounts.  I can receive just fine, but cannot 
send.  If I ever get out of the sticks and regain access to other ISPs, 
I will ditch Clearwire like yesterday's garbage.  I miss having Usenet 
access.

				Michael

Re: Fetching from gmail

[Steve Holmes]

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Actually, once I got used to how gmail does IMAP and all, I'm pretty
used to it.  I believe there is something through Google Labs tht
enables traditional IMAP support instead.  But the concept of labels
for assigining folders still holds, I believe.  I like Gmail's spam
filtering; can't think of anything better without having to load up
spam assassin on my box and tie up so many resources.

I really don't like POP because I want to be able to read my mail from
different locations and use mailers from different platforms.  That is
totally possible with IMAP and not with POP.  Yes, some people can use
POP to read from multiple locations but it is still hoke, just the
same and you can't filter into separate folders and access them from
multiple mailers either.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:57:11AM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 10:51:17PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > The important thing to realize with gmail and IMAP is when deleting
> > unwanted messages, you need to copy them to '=Trash' (exclude the
> > quotes and realize that is capital T on Trash).
> 
> 	I prefer POP3 with mutt.  If you take longer than 10 minutes to 
> compose a reply using IMAP, mut crashes when Google drops your 
> connection.  You can set your g-mail settings on the website to drop 
> everything you've downloaded with POP3 to the trash.  I understand 
> Google dumps the trash on a monthly basis, but I never let it stay full 
> for long enough to find out. 
> 
> 	I don't really bother saving mail any more and just jot down the 
> occasional note from something here, like URLs.  I just hate the way 
> Google has IMAP set up, like you said, and dropping everything into 
> All-Mail.  Unfortunately, my cheap ISP elected to switch it's mail 
> service over to G-Mail, and wrecked my ability to run a mail server like 
> sendmail with multiple accounts.  I can receive just fine, but cannot 
> send.  If I ever get out of the sticks and regain access to other ISPs, 
> I will ditch Clearwire like yesterday's garbage.  I miss having Usenet 
> access.
> 
> 				Michael
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: Fetching from gmail

[Christopher Moore]

Steve,
How do you tell mutt to copy a message to trash.  Would you do something 
like:
C =Trash

Maybe this could be assigned to the d key.  I'd also like to assign 
something similar to ctrl+d to remove an entire thread.

Cleaning out the "all maiil" folder may be quite labor intensive.  We'd 
want to delete all conveersations without an assigned label.  This would 
take quite a while using the web interface.  Perhaps there are some 
python bindings for gmail which could be used.  
I don't really mind that mutt removes the messages from the inbox if we 
had a utility to clean out the "all mail" folder once in a while.

Chris
On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 10:51:17PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> 
> Yes, I use mutt to get gmail from two different accounts and I support
> multiple folders on each of them.  The mutt setup is actually pretty
> easy as I've used imap for some time on other systems prior to gmail.
> The important thing to realize with gmail and IMAP is when deleting
> unwanted messages, you need to copy them to '=Trash' (exclude the
> quotes and realize that is capital T on Trash).  If you just delete
> them like on standard IMAP systems and then expunge them with mutt's
> 'x' command, the Inbox label will be removed and the messages will end
> up in your 'All Mail' folder forever! that happened to me for a long
> time before I realized what was happening and I still have over 8,000
> messages to eventually clear out on one of my accounts.
> 
> Otherwise, gmail with IMAP is quite cool.  I never use POP.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 09:06:20AM -0400, Christopher Moore wrote:
> > Hello,
> > The best way I've found to use gmail on linux is via mutt with a special 
> > config file to access the imap server.  
> > 
> > I found info in this through google.  
> > 
> > Chris
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Fetching from gmail

[Steve Holmes]

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I have thought often about creating a macro to do the copying to trash
so to answer your question, that is exactly the command I use to do
this.  Earlier versions of mutt had a trash variable but it
disappeared with version 1.5.19 or so.  With that variable, I used to
be able to delete a message and it would be automatically moved to the
specified trash folder.  Dunno why it went away but when I looked
around in change logs and documentation, I couldn't even find
reference to it.  So it was like a ghost around here <smile>

What I do for threads presently, is to tag each message that I read
and want to delete; I do that with the 't' command.  When I'm out in
the folder and want to close out and purge the tagged messages, I just
do a ';' to prefix the next command for all tagged messages and then
do the 'C =Trash' and boom, all 98 or whatever many messages get moved
to Trash and this may take several seconds depending on the time.

Not bad all and all.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:24:39PM -0500, Christopher Moore wrote:
> Steve,
> How do you tell mutt to copy a message to trash.  Would you do something 
> like:
> C =Trash
> 
> Maybe this could be assigned to the d key.  I'd also like to assign 
> something similar to ctrl+d to remove an entire thread.
> 
> Cleaning out the "all maiil" folder may be quite labor intensive.  We'd 
> want to delete all conveersations without an assigned label.  This would 
> take quite a while using the web interface.  Perhaps there are some 
> python bindings for gmail which could be used.  
> I don't really mind that mutt removes the messages from the inbox if we 
> had a utility to clean out the "all mail" folder once in a while.
> 
> Chris
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 10:51:17PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> > 
> > Yes, I use mutt to get gmail from two different accounts and I support
> > multiple folders on each of them.  The mutt setup is actually pretty
> > easy as I've used imap for some time on other systems prior to gmail.
> > The important thing to realize with gmail and IMAP is when deleting
> > unwanted messages, you need to copy them to '=Trash' (exclude the
> > quotes and realize that is capital T on Trash).  If you just delete
> > them like on standard IMAP systems and then expunge them with mutt's
> > 'x' command, the Inbox label will be removed and the messages will end
> > up in your 'All Mail' folder forever! that happened to me for a long
> > time before I realized what was happening and I still have over 8,000
> > messages to eventually clear out on one of my accounts.
> > 
> > Otherwise, gmail with IMAP is quite cool.  I never use POP.
> > 
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 09:06:20AM -0400, Christopher Moore wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > The best way I've found to use gmail on linux is via mutt with a special 
> > > config file to access the imap server.  
> > > 
> > > I found info in this through google.  
> > > 
> > > Chris
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Fetching from gmail

[Steve Holmes]

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Well, I said below that I was thinking about a macro to copy messages
to trash, well here it is.  I will paste it into this message.  Just
stick this next line into your .muttrc file.

macro index <F3> <copy-message>=Trash<enter> "copy message to trash"

Of course, make sure this is all on the same line and the key here is
the F3 key; if you want it to be something else, then feel free to
change it.  All variations of the 'd' and 'D' key are pretty much used
by mutt natively so dunno if there would be a way to reassign those or
not.  Anyway, it works good and the ';' key works on tagged messages
too!

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 07:13:34PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> I have thought often about creating a macro to do the copying to trash
> so to answer your question, that is exactly the command I use to do
> this.  Earlier versions of mutt had a trash variable but it
> disappeared with version 1.5.19 or so.  With that variable, I used to
> be able to delete a message and it would be automatically moved to the
> specified trash folder.  Dunno why it went away but when I looked
> around in change logs and documentation, I couldn't even find
> reference to it.  So it was like a ghost around here <smile>
> 
> What I do for threads presently, is to tag each message that I read
> and want to delete; I do that with the 't' command.  When I'm out in
> the folder and want to close out and purge the tagged messages, I just
> do a ';' to prefix the next command for all tagged messages and then
> do the 'C =Trash' and boom, all 98 or whatever many messages get moved
> to Trash and this may take several seconds depending on the time.
> 
> Not bad all and all.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:24:39PM -0500, Christopher Moore wrote:
> > Steve,
> > How do you tell mutt to copy a message to trash.  Would you do something 
> > like:
> > C =Trash
> > 
> > Maybe this could be assigned to the d key.  I'd also like to assign 
> > something similar to ctrl+d to remove an entire thread.
> > 
> > Cleaning out the "all maiil" folder may be quite labor intensive.  We'd 
> > want to delete all conveersations without an assigned label.  This would 
> > take quite a while using the web interface.  Perhaps there are some 
> > python bindings for gmail which could be used.  
> > I don't really mind that mutt removes the messages from the inbox if we 
> > had a utility to clean out the "all mail" folder once in a while.
> > 
> > Chris
> > On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 10:51:17PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> > > 
> > > Yes, I use mutt to get gmail from two different accounts and I support
> > > multiple folders on each of them.  The mutt setup is actually pretty
> > > easy as I've used imap for some time on other systems prior to gmail.
> > > The important thing to realize with gmail and IMAP is when deleting
> > > unwanted messages, you need to copy them to '=Trash' (exclude the
> > > quotes and realize that is capital T on Trash).  If you just delete
> > > them like on standard IMAP systems and then expunge them with mutt's
> > > 'x' command, the Inbox label will be removed and the messages will end
> > > up in your 'All Mail' folder forever! that happened to me for a long
> > > time before I realized what was happening and I still have over 8,000
> > > messages to eventually clear out on one of my accounts.
> > > 
> > > Otherwise, gmail with IMAP is quite cool.  I never use POP.
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 09:06:20AM -0400, Christopher Moore wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > The best way I've found to use gmail on linux is via mutt with a special 
> > > > config file to access the imap server.  
> > > > 
> > > > I found info in this through google.  
> > > > 
> > > > Chris
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Fetching from gmail

[Christopher Moore]

Steve,
Thanks for the tips on moving stuff to gmail Trash.  
In you macro I changed the folder to [Gmail]/Trash
Also, there is an <esc>t command to tag an entire thread.  

As I'm writing this I'm cleaning out my "All Mail" folder by tagging 
several thousand messages and using your ;<f3> macro.

Thanks
Chris

Re: Fetching from gmail

[Steve Holmes]

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Hey, glad it's working out for you.  Yeah, I used the '=Trash' context
and that has always worked for me but your approach may prove to be
more readable to the human reader.  I knew about the <esc> t command
and also for even more powerful distruction :) try the shift T
command; it asks for an expression to group the selection and it taggs
all of them.  It is exactly the same thing as shift D for message
deletion.  For example, if you shift T and then respond with '~N'
(without the single quote marks), you will tag all unread messages.
I've had to do this from time to time in a busy list folder where I
got so far behind it was best to just clear it out and start anew.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 03:28:39PM -0500, Christopher Moore wrote:
> Steve,
> Thanks for the tips on moving stuff to gmail Trash.  
> In you macro I changed the folder to [Gmail]/Trash
> Also, there is an <esc>t command to tag an entire thread.  
> 
> As I'm writing this I'm cleaning out my "All Mail" folder by tagging 
> several thousand messages and using your ;<f3> macro.
> 
> Thanks
> Chris
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Re: Fetching from gmail

[Gaijin]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:24:39PM -0500, Christopher Moore wrote:
> Steve,
> How do you tell mutt to copy a message to trash.

	I press 't' to tag the messages, one at a time, then use the ';' 
semi-colon to highlight all tagged messages, then use uppercase 'C' to 
copy, then '?' question mark to call up a dir listing, 'End' to go to 
the last entry (which is the Trash folder on my system), and voila, the 
tagged messages are moved from All-Mail to Trash.  Then I 'c' to change 
dirst to Trash and 'd' to delete all the messages in Trash.  A total 
pain in the backside, which is why I use POP3, have as much time as I 
want to reply without Google dropping connection and crashing mutt, etc.  
I may have to use msmtp to send the mail and fetchmail to grab it, but 
it werx.  Booting mutt with a special config for it all is only an alias 
away.

			Michael

Re: Fetching from gmail

[Steve Holmes]

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Actually, I've had a lot less trouble with gmail dropping connections
lately.  In fact here at home, I think it has only happened a couple
times in the past 5 months or so.  I recall setting a variable in
.muttrc to keep the connection alive for a longer period; forget the
name off the top of my head right now.  Also, if IMAP is used, you can
leave the stuff in Trash and it will get purged periodically without
any efforts on our part.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 02:05:10PM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:24:39PM -0500, Christopher Moore wrote:
> > Steve,
> > How do you tell mutt to copy a message to trash.
> 
> 	I press 't' to tag the messages, one at a time, then use the ';' 
> semi-colon to highlight all tagged messages, then use uppercase 'C' to 
> copy, then '?' question mark to call up a dir listing, 'End' to go to 
> the last entry (which is the Trash folder on my system), and voila, the 
> tagged messages are moved from All-Mail to Trash.  Then I 'c' to change 
> dirst to Trash and 'd' to delete all the messages in Trash.  A total 
> pain in the backside, which is why I use POP3, have as much time as I 
> want to reply without Google dropping connection and crashing mutt, etc.  
> I may have to use msmtp to send the mail and fetchmail to grab it, but 
> it werx.  Booting mutt with a special config for it all is only an alias 
> away.
> 
> 			Michael
> 
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