Speakup and locales

Speakup and locales

[Hermann]

Hi,
after a while I reactivated Speakup on my GRML system - version 2008-11.
The reason was that I've discovered Espeakup, which makes it possible to
use Speakup with Espeak without a server such as Speech-dispatcher.
Doing this I had some trouble in setting up Speakup/Espeakup/espeak to
speak my language - German - correctly.
It ends up in adjusting /sys/module/speakup/parameters/characters, so
that all letters, numbers and punctuation characters are spoken in a
usual German way.
In addition I had to rebuild Espeakup from GIT in order to use the
latest option --default-voice to start Espeakup/Espeak with the right
synth.
So I came upon the question whether it is possible to let Speakup detect
the locale in use, and provide the correct characters table, and pass the
appropriate synth options to Speakup?
While searching the web, I found on a Gentoo repo a version of Speakup
(3.03 I think), which makes it possible to install Speakup without
touching the kernel modules. This suggests a kind of software solution
that can make Speakup more flexible. If this is true, it should be
possible to let Speakup detect the locale and start with the correct
parameters.
Or am i completely wrong?
Hermann

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Re: Speakup and locales

[William Hubbs]

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Hi Hermann,

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 04:44:18PM +0200, Hermann wrote:
> Hi,
> after a while I reactivated Speakup on my GRML system - version 2008-11.
> The reason was that I've discovered Espeakup, which makes it possible to
> use Speakup with Espeak without a server such as Speech-dispatcher.
> Doing this I had some trouble in setting up Speakup/Espeakup/espeak to
> speak my language - German - correctly.
> It ends up in adjusting /sys/module/speakup/parameters/characters, so
> that all letters, numbers and punctuation characters are spoken in a
> usual German way.

Actually, there is an easier way to do this.  As root, do the following:

echo 1 > /sys/module/speakup/parameters/direct

This will allow espeak to handle character pronunciation instead of
speakup.  This feature is still in its early stages, so let us know if
you have issues with it.

Thanks,

William

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Re: Speakup and locales

[Hermann]

Hi,
On 28.05.2009 18:23, William Hubbs wrote:
[...]
>> Doing this I had some trouble in setting up Speakup/Espeakup/espeak to
>> speak my language - German - correctly.
>> It ends up in adjusting /sys/module/speakup/parameters/characters, so
>> that all letters, numbers and punctuation characters are spoken in a
>> usual German way.
>
> Actually, there is an easier way to do this.  As root, do the following:
>
> echo 1>  /sys/module/speakup/parameters/direct
>
> This will allow espeak to handle character pronunciation instead of
> speakup.  This feature is still in its early stages, so let us know if
> you have issues with it.
>
I saw this on an earlier message by you on this list and tried it 
without success:
I get the message: "No such file or directory".
What does this command do? I guess it creates a file?
Hermann

Re: Speakup and locales

[William Hubbs]

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Hi Hermann,

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:27:45PM +0200, Hermann wrote:
>> Actually, there is an easier way to do this.  As root, do the following:
>>
>> echo 1>  /sys/module/speakup/parameters/direct
>>
>> This will allow espeak to handle character pronunciation instead of
>> speakup.  This feature is still in its early stages, so let us know if
>> you have issues with it.
>>
> I saw this on an earlier message by you on this list and tried it without 
> success:
> I get the message: "No such file or directory".
> What does this command do? I guess it creates a file?

No, there should be a file there by that name, and it sets a value in
that file.

Try this as root:

cat /sys/module/speakup/parameters/direct

The output should be 0 or 1.

Also, get the output of this command:

cat /sys/module/speakup/parameters/version

and let us know what that output is.

Thanks,

William

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Re: Speakup and locales

[Hermann]

am Do 28. Mai 2009 um 22:04:07 schrieb William Hubbs <w.d.hubbs@gmail.com>:
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> Hi Hermann,
> 
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:27:45PM +0200, Hermann wrote:
> >> Actually, there is an easier way to do this.  As root, do the following:
> >>
> >> echo 1>  /sys/module/speakup/parameters/direct
> >>
> >> This will allow espeak to handle character pronunciation instead of
> >> speakup.  This feature is still in its early stages, so let us know if
> >> you have issues with it.
> >>
> > I saw this on an earlier message by you on this list and tried it without 
> > success:
> > I get the message: "No such file or directory".
> > What does this command do? I guess it creates a file?
> 
> No, there should be a file there by that name, and it sets a value in
> that file.
> 
> Try this as root:
> 
> cat /sys/module/speakup/parameters/direct
> 
> The output should be 0 or 1.
> 
Neither nor: "No such file or directory".
It seems as if I have no permission accessing this directory; but I'm root.
I created the file in my root's directory and tried to move it, same 
result.
Note: I tried this with a GRML 2009-05-RC1 CD, and it works besides the 
fact that the umlauts and most of the punct chars are not spoken at all. 
However the Espeakup version is still 0.4 on this distro.

> Also, get the output of this command:
> 
> cat /sys/module/speakup/parameters/version
> 
> and let us know what that output is.
> 
Speakup version 3.0.3
soft synthesizer driver version 2.4

Hermann

Re: Speakup and locales

[Hermann]

On 28.05.2009 at 22:00:47 William Hubbs <w.d.hubbs@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Hermann,
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:27:45PM +0200, Hermann wrote:
>>> Actually, there is an easier way to do this.  As root, do the following:
>>>
>>> echo 1>  /sys/module/speakup/parameters/direct
>>>
I cannot add files to the /sys folder in general.
So I checked the mount options in /etc/fstab; here's what I found:
sysfs          /sys           sysfs  rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec 0  0
Are these options set correctly?
I can replace existing files, but not create new ones. I guess it must
have to do with that "noexec" option.
Hermann

Re: Speakup and locales

[Kerry Hoath]

the /sys file system is exported by the kernel as is /proc
kernel interfaces cause files to be created in this file system to which you 
can read and write.
You are not meant to create files in this directory yourself; only read and 
write values to them.
If a file does not exist then the version of speakup is too old to have the 
direct function.

files that exist in /sys/speakup allow you to change speakup's behaviour if 
you write values into certain files.
If the file does not exist then the feature is not present in the kernel you 
currently run.
Regards, Kerry.

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From: "Hermann" <meinelisten@onlinehome.de>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Speakup and locales


On 28.05.2009 at 22:00:47 William Hubbs <w.d.hubbs@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Hermann,
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:27:45PM +0200, Hermann wrote:
>>> Actually, there is an easier way to do this.  As root, do the following:
>>>
>>> echo 1>  /sys/module/speakup/parameters/direct
>>>
I cannot add files to the /sys folder in general.
So I checked the mount options in /etc/fstab; here's what I found:
sysfs          /sys           sysfs  rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec 0  0
Are these options set correctly?
I can replace existing files, but not create new ones. I guess it must
have to do with that "noexec" option.
Hermann
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