lots of problems solved: my life story

lots of problems solved: my life story

[Tyler Littlefield]

Hello,
If you all remember, I was having issues with mail, I left it for a while 
and decided to return to playing with it.
According to my logs, some servers block dynamic IP addresses, and I was 
refered to a site that confirmed as much.
On this site I was also told that:
a, dynamic IP addresses were blocked from sending mail,
b, I had to use the Qwest smtp server.
So, I called up tech support and actually for once in my life found someone 
who sounded like they new what they were talking about.
We covered the problems with my modem, and got to briding the modem and 
using my linxsys which I want to put open wrt on anyway as the real router, 
which I am going to end up doing sometime when I have the time to play with 
it.
Then he told me that qwest didn't supply smtp to "home" customers, 
(shocking!), and my only bet was a static IP.
So, I obtained the static IP, and lots of things (including mail) are now in 
working order.


Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
email: tyler@tysdomain.com
web: tysdomain-com
Visit for quality software and web design.
skype: st8amnd2005

Re: lots of problems solved: my life story

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi. In addition to having the static IP, if you have your own domain, 
Qwest will even do a reverse dns for your static IP. When I was in 
Denver, I did this with them and it was fantabulous.

Tyler Littlefield said the following on 11/26/2008 4:43 PM:
> Hello,
> If you all remember, I was having issues with mail, I left it for a 
> while and decided to return to playing with it.
> According to my logs, some servers block dynamic IP addresses, and I was 
> refered to a site that confirmed as much.
> On this site I was also told that:
> a, dynamic IP addresses were blocked from sending mail,
> b, I had to use the Qwest smtp server.
> So, I called up tech support and actually for once in my life found 
> someone who sounded like they new what they were talking about.
> We covered the problems with my modem, and got to briding the modem and 
> using my linxsys which I want to put open wrt on anyway as the real 
> router, which I am going to end up doing sometime when I have the time 
> to play with it.
> Then he told me that qwest didn't supply smtp to "home" customers, 
> (shocking!), and my only bet was a static IP.
> So, I obtained the static IP, and lots of things (including mail) are 
> now in working order.
> 
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Re: lots of problems solved: my life story

[Tyler Littlefield]

something I find extremely odd:
I am using smtp for my moo; their smtp and pop accounts are both 
pop.bla.qwest.com (where bla==the zone).


Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
email: tyler@tysdomain.com
web: tysdomain-com
Visit for quality software and web design.
skype: st8amnd2005

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@asmodean.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: lots of problems solved: my life story


> Hi. In addition to having the static IP, if you have your own domain, 
> Qwest will even do a reverse dns for your static IP. When I was in Denver, 
> I did this with them and it was fantabulous.
>
> Tyler Littlefield said the following on 11/26/2008 4:43 PM:
>> Hello,
>> If you all remember, I was having issues with mail, I left it for a while 
>> and decided to return to playing with it.
>> According to my logs, some servers block dynamic IP addresses, and I was 
>> refered to a site that confirmed as much.
>> On this site I was also told that:
>> a, dynamic IP addresses were blocked from sending mail,
>> b, I had to use the Qwest smtp server.
>> So, I called up tech support and actually for once in my life found 
>> someone who sounded like they new what they were talking about.
>> We covered the problems with my modem, and got to briding the modem and 
>> using my linxsys which I want to put open wrt on anyway as the real 
>> router, which I am going to end up doing sometime when I have the time to 
>> play with it.
>> Then he told me that qwest didn't supply smtp to "home" customers, 
>> (shocking!), and my only bet was a static IP.
>> So, I obtained the static IP, and lots of things (including mail) are now 
>> in working order.
>>
> -- 
> Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net
>
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Re: lots of problems solved: my life story

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 02:53:20PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> something I find extremely odd:
> I am using smtp for my moo; their smtp and pop accounts are both  
> pop.bla.qwest.com (where bla==the zone).

Yeah, I was going to say that qwest not providing smtp to residential
customers sounded extremely odd. I've been on static IP with them
since the beginning, so I can't definitely say they're wrong, but from
what I saw when browsing their site, it sure looked like they provide
smtp and pop3 to their customers, residential, or not. Besides, I've
never heard of a residential ISP before that didn't provide full
e-mail to their customers. My opinion is that the tech just told you
that because they could use the extra money from you (setup fee, and
monthly charges), but then what do I know. Anyway, if you're going to
run a server on your connection, and you have no problem paying a bit
extra for the static Ip, then keeping it is probably the way to go.

Greg


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Re: lots of problems solved: my life story

[Tyler Littlefield]

no, the tech was right. They show a list of smtp addresses, but it's not for 
home useage.
they usually supply a "q.com" or a msn.com email address or something 
similar to home customers (odd)


Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
email: tyler@tysdomain.com
web: tysdomain-com
Visit for quality software and web design.
skype: st8amnd2005

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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: lots of problems solved: my life story


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> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 02:53:20PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> something I find extremely odd:
>> I am using smtp for my moo; their smtp and pop accounts are both
>> pop.bla.qwest.com (where bla==the zone).
>
> Yeah, I was going to say that qwest not providing smtp to residential
> customers sounded extremely odd. I've been on static IP with them
> since the beginning, so I can't definitely say they're wrong, but from
> what I saw when browsing their site, it sure looked like they provide
> smtp and pop3 to their customers, residential, or not. Besides, I've
> never heard of a residential ISP before that didn't provide full
> e-mail to their customers. My opinion is that the tech just told you
> that because they could use the extra money from you (setup fee, and
> monthly charges), but then what do I know. Anyway, if you're going to
> run a server on your connection, and you have no problem paying a bit
> extra for the static Ip, then keeping it is probably the way to go.
>
> Greg
>
>
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Re: lots of problems solved: my life story

[Gregory Nowak]

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Not sure what you mean by q.com. What domain you're on depends on who
you picked for your internet service. Qwest provides the
connection itself, but msn, or qwest.net provides the internet
services, and the domain you have would of course depend on who is
providing your internet service.

Greg


On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 03:17:49PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> no, the tech was right. They show a list of smtp addresses, but it's not 
> for home useage.
> they usually supply a "q.com" or a msn.com email address or something  
> similar to home customers (odd)
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tyler Littlefield
> email: tyler@tysdomain.com
> web: tysdomain-com
> Visit for quality software and web design.
> skype: st8amnd2005
>


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Re: lots of problems solved: my life story

[Tyler Littlefield]

q.com is qwest. they offer either msn or q.com email for the basic 
residential package.


Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
email: tyler@tysdomain.com
web: tysdomain-com
Visit for quality software and web design.
skype: st8amnd2005

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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: lots of problems solved: my life story


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> Not sure what you mean by q.com. What domain you're on depends on who
> you picked for your internet service. Qwest provides the
> connection itself, but msn, or qwest.net provides the internet
> services, and the domain you have would of course depend on who is
> providing your internet service.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 03:17:49PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> no, the tech was right. They show a list of smtp addresses, but it's not
>> for home useage.
>> they usually supply a "q.com" or a msn.com email address or something
>> similar to home customers (odd)
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tyler Littlefield
>> email: tyler@tysdomain.com
>> web: tysdomain-com
>> Visit for quality software and web design.
>> skype: st8amnd2005
>>
>
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Re: lots of problems solved: my life story

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Actually the way it works, or the way it used to when I lived in Denver 
was like this.

Qwest would provide the dsl connection, and by default they would add 
msn as the isp. However, if you got another isp which was a 
Qwest-approved carrier, you could use them over the Qwest dsl line. That 
isp you chose would be the one to give you email access via their 
routers. Now, ironically you could use qwest.net as the isp over qwest 
dsl services. If you did this, you got no email access, not even through 
qwest.net. This is the way I went with qwest as the dsl and the isp 
without email access.

Hope this clears it up.

Tyler Littlefield said the following on 11/26/2008 5:17 PM:
> no, the tech was right. They show a list of smtp addresses, but it's not 
> for home useage.
> they usually supply a "q.com" or a msn.com email address or something 
> similar to home customers (odd)
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Tyler Littlefield
> email: tyler@tysdomain.com
> web: tysdomain-com
> Visit for quality software and web design.
> skype: st8amnd2005
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" 
> <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: lots of problems solved: my life story
> 
> 
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>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 02:53:20PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>> something I find extremely odd:
>>> I am using smtp for my moo; their smtp and pop accounts are both
>>> pop.bla.qwest.com (where bla==the zone).
>>
>> Yeah, I was going to say that qwest not providing smtp to residential
>> customers sounded extremely odd. I've been on static IP with them
>> since the beginning, so I can't definitely say they're wrong, but from
>> what I saw when browsing their site, it sure looked like they provide
>> smtp and pop3 to their customers, residential, or not. Besides, I've
>> never heard of a residential ISP before that didn't provide full
>> e-mail to their customers. My opinion is that the tech just told you
>> that because they could use the extra money from you (setup fee, and
>> monthly charges), but then what do I know. Anyway, if you're going to
>> run a server on your connection, and you have no problem paying a bit
>> extra for the static Ip, then keeping it is probably the way to go.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
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Re: lots of problems solved: my life story

[Tyler Littlefield]

I think they've got multiple connections now.
Now they offer the ISP, and a modem etc etc, and I believe they're in 
partmership with msn, or this q.com what ever that is.


Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
email: tyler@tysdomain.com
web: tysdomain-com
Visit for quality software and web design.
skype: st8amnd2005

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@asmodean.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: lots of problems solved: my life story


> Actually the way it works, or the way it used to when I lived in Denver 
> was like this.
>
> Qwest would provide the dsl connection, and by default they would add msn 
> as the isp. However, if you got another isp which was a Qwest-approved 
> carrier, you could use them over the Qwest dsl line. That isp you chose 
> would be the one to give you email access via their routers. Now, 
> ironically you could use qwest.net as the isp over qwest dsl services. If 
> you did this, you got no email access, not even through qwest.net. This is 
> the way I went with qwest as the dsl and the isp without email access.
>
> Hope this clears it up.
>
> Tyler Littlefield said the following on 11/26/2008 5:17 PM:
>> no, the tech was right. They show a list of smtp addresses, but it's not 
>> for home useage.
>> they usually supply a "q.com" or a msn.com email address or something 
>> similar to home customers (odd)
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tyler Littlefield
>> email: tyler@tysdomain.com
>> web: tysdomain-com
>> Visit for quality software and web design.
>> skype: st8amnd2005
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" 
>> <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: lots of problems solved: my life story
>>
>>
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>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 02:53:20PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>>> something I find extremely odd:
>>>> I am using smtp for my moo; their smtp and pop accounts are both
>>>> pop.bla.qwest.com (where bla==the zone).
>>>
>>> Yeah, I was going to say that qwest not providing smtp to residential
>>> customers sounded extremely odd. I've been on static IP with them
>>> since the beginning, so I can't definitely say they're wrong, but from
>>> what I saw when browsing their site, it sure looked like they provide
>>> smtp and pop3 to their customers, residential, or not. Besides, I've
>>> never heard of a residential ISP before that didn't provide full
>>> e-mail to their customers. My opinion is that the tech just told you
>>> that because they could use the extra money from you (setup fee, and
>>> monthly charges), but then what do I know. Anyway, if you're going to
>>> run a server on your connection, and you have no problem paying a bit
>>> extra for the static Ip, then keeping it is probably the way to go.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
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Re: lots of problems solved: my life story

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Yes, this is old news. They've been partnered with MSN for 5 years or
more <smile>. Read my prior message on how it works.

Tyler Littlefield said the following on 11/27/2008 4:58 PM:
> I think they've got multiple connections now.
> Now they offer the ISP, and a modem etc etc, and I believe they're in 
> partmership with msn, or this q.com what ever that is.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Tyler Littlefield
> email: tyler@tysdomain.com
> web: tysdomain-com
> Visit for quality software and web design.
> skype: st8amnd2005
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@asmodean.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: lots of problems solved: my life story
> 
> 
>> Actually the way it works, or the way it used to when I lived in 
>> Denver was like this.
>>
>> Qwest would provide the dsl connection, and by default they would add 
>> msn as the isp. However, if you got another isp which was a 
>> Qwest-approved carrier, you could use them over the Qwest dsl line. 
>> That isp you chose would be the one to give you email access via their 
>> routers. Now, ironically you could use qwest.net as the isp over qwest 
>> dsl services. If you did this, you got no email access, not even 
>> through qwest.net. This is the way I went with qwest as the dsl and 
>> the isp without email access.
>>
>> Hope this clears it up.
>>
>> Tyler Littlefield said the following on 11/26/2008 5:17 PM:
>>> no, the tech was right. They show a list of smtp addresses, but it's 
>>> not for home useage.
>>> they usually supply a "q.com" or a msn.com email address or something 
>>> similar to home customers (odd)
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tyler Littlefield
>>> email: tyler@tysdomain.com
>>> web: tysdomain-com
>>> Visit for quality software and web design.
>>> skype: st8amnd2005
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" 
>>> <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: lots of problems solved: my life story
>>>
>>>
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>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 02:53:20PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>>>> something I find extremely odd:
>>>>> I am using smtp for my moo; their smtp and pop accounts are both
>>>>> pop.bla.qwest.com (where bla==the zone).
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I was going to say that qwest not providing smtp to residential
>>>> customers sounded extremely odd. I've been on static IP with them
>>>> since the beginning, so I can't definitely say they're wrong, but from
>>>> what I saw when browsing their site, it sure looked like they provide
>>>> smtp and pop3 to their customers, residential, or not. Besides, I've
>>>> never heard of a residential ISP before that didn't provide full
>>>> e-mail to their customers. My opinion is that the tech just told you
>>>> that because they could use the extra money from you (setup fee, and
>>>> monthly charges), but then what do I know. Anyway, if you're going to
>>>> run a server on your connection, and you have no problem paying a bit
>>>> extra for the static Ip, then keeping it is probably the way to go.
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org
>>>> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc
>>>> skype: gregn1
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