Software Speech

Software Speech

[Robert Spangler]

Hello all,

I wish to use espeakup.  What is the command to create the softsynth 
device?

Robby

Re: Software Speech

[Gregory Nowak]

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You don't need to create it. Udev creates it for you when you switch
to the soft synth. If you don't have udev for some reason, then you'd
create it by hand with:
mknod /dev/softsynth c 10 26
Hth.

Greg


On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:13:50PM -0400, Robert Spangler wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I wish to use espeakup.  What is the command to create the softsynth  
> device?
>
> Robby
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: Software Speech

[Garrett Klein]

You shouldn't need to create it.
modprobe speakup_soft
should create it for you. Btw, I'd modprobe speakup first, even though 
it'll be loaded automatically with speakup_soft ... but I've had weird 
kernel oopses.

Hth somewhat,
Garrett

Robert Spangler wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I wish to use espeakup. What is the command to create the softsynth device?
>
> Robby
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Software Speech

[Robert Spangler]

Thanks, Greg.  The reason I asked is because I am trying to run espeakup 
and it says that the device does not exist.  Also, I have the softsynth 
support built into the kernel - not compiled as a module.


Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> You don't need to create it. Udev creates it for you when you switch
> to the soft synth. If you don't have udev for some reason, then you'd
> create it by hand with:
> mknod /dev/softsynth c 10 26
> Hth.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:13:50PM -0400, Robert Spangler wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I wish to use espeakup.  What is the command to create the softsynth  
>> device?
>>
>> Robby
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
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Re: Software Speech

[Robert Spangler]

OK I see it there after issuing this command but espeakup still says 
unable to connect to softsynth device.  I do have espeak installed.  Are 
there no more configuration steps to do?  This seems a little too 
minimal.  It seems as though /dev/softsynth is not being referred to as 
a device.


Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> You don't need to create it. Udev creates it for you when you switch
> to the soft synth. If you don't have udev for some reason, then you'd
> create it by hand with:
> mknod /dev/softsynth c 10 26
> Hth.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:13:50PM -0400, Robert Spangler wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I wish to use espeakup.  What is the command to create the softsynth  
>> device?
>>
>> Robby
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
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Re: Software Speech

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Robert,

There is a package containing two scripts, speakwith and talkwith, that
permits you to change among supported synthesizers on the fly. They are
identical except that when you type

speakwith soft

you switch to the speech-dispatcher driver, and when you type

talkwith soft

you switch to the espeakup driver. This last script will do what you
want. To switch back again, type

talkwith synthname

giving it the correct synthname you wish to switch to.

The package should be in the contrib section of the git material if you
used git-clone, or you can download it from my web page, address below.

Chuck


On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:02:57PM -0400, Robert Spangler wrote:
> OK I see it there after issuing this command but espeakup still says  
> unable to connect to softsynth device.  I do have espeak installed.  Are  
> there no more configuration steps to do?  This seems a little too  
> minimal.  It seems as though /dev/softsynth is not being referred to as  
> a device.
>
>
> Gregory Nowak wrote:
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>> You don't need to create it. Udev creates it for you when you switch
>> to the soft synth. If you don't have udev for some reason, then you'd
>> create it by hand with:
>> mknod /dev/softsynth c 10 26
>> Hth.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:13:50PM -0400, Robert Spangler wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I wish to use espeakup.  What is the command to create the softsynth  
>>> device?
>>>
>>> Robby
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
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Re: Software Speech

[Gregory Nowak]

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No, that's all you need to do. Make sure espeak is installed and
working, switch to the soft synthesizer either by hand, or as Chuck
described in this thread, by using the talkwith script, start
espeakup, and all should work. It has worked this way for me
anyway. That's the beauty of using espeakup over
speech-dispatcher/speechd-up if you want to use espeak for English
speech, it's that simple to setup.

Greg


On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:02:57PM -0400, Robert Spangler wrote:
> OK I see it there after issuing this command but espeakup still says  
> unable to connect to softsynth device.  I do have espeak installed.  Are  
> there no more configuration steps to do?  This seems a little too  
> minimal.  It seems as though /dev/softsynth is not being referred to as  
> a device.
>
>


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Re: software speech

[Al Sten-Clanton]

Thanks!

Al

On 12/6/2015 4:58 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
> On 12/5/2015 1:22 PM, Al Sten-Clanton wrote:
>> Hi, Glenn.  I have NVDA on my Windows machine now.  It has Eloquence
>> because
>> we're using JAWS.  Eloquence didn't seem to be on the list of supported
>> speech output for NVDA, neither mentioned in the online manual nore
>> available when I arrowed around to see what was there.  How do you get
>> NVDA
>> to work with Eloquence?  (I know this is far from a Speakup topic, but
>> your
>> message cries out to me for the question.)
>
>
> You get an unlocked SAPI version.  I use Window-Eyes and the version it
> ships is apparently unlocked because NVDA supports it.  You can buy any
> number of SAPI synths which should all be supported.  I think JFW ships
> a protected version which only works with their product.
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Re: software speech

[Tony Baechler]

On 12/5/2015 10:46 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> but why?
> There are many hardware synthesizers with far better voice quality.  Even
> models that were available in USB.
> why on earth should anyone be expected to have poor quality speech when the
> tools  exist otherwise?
> Not that I am a windows user,  or a Linux one either of course smiles.
> Kare


Hi, I couldn't agree with you more.  It makes good sense to me.  I like my 
DECtalk Express and that's part of why I haven't switched to NVDA.  I think 
you should ask the developers.  It wouldn't be hard to implement serial 
synth support.  Maybe the Speakup drivers could be adapted, but NVDA is 
written in Python so probably not.  As mentioned, I looked at the Braille 
driver and it didn't look too difficult.  The only thing I can think of is 
each hardware synth is different and manuals are hard to come by, not to 
mention that most people don't use them anymore.  Lots of machines don't 
come with serial ports.  I don't know about USB synths.  Unlike with 
software synths, every hardware synth has its own sets of commands, voices, 
pitch, rate and volume settings, etc.  With SAPI, it's a standard, so no 
matter what voice you're using, the programming is the same.  Finally, in 
the old days, computers weren't powerful enough to run software speech 
effectively, but that's no longer the case.  Now, for most people, it makes 
more sense to not carry around an external synth or take up a PCI slot when 
a good sound card and speakers do the same thing.  Now, software speech is 
very responsive in most cases.

Re: software speech

[Tony Baechler]

On 12/5/2015 1:22 PM, Al Sten-Clanton wrote:
> Hi, Glenn.  I have NVDA on my Windows machine now.  It has Eloquence because
> we're using JAWS.  Eloquence didn't seem to be on the list of supported
> speech output for NVDA, neither mentioned in the online manual nore
> available when I arrowed around to see what was there.  How do you get NVDA
> to work with Eloquence?  (I know this is far from a Speakup topic, but your
> message cries out to me for the question.)


You get an unlocked SAPI version.  I use Window-Eyes and the version it 
ships is apparently unlocked because NVDA supports it.  You can buy any 
number of SAPI synths which should all be supported.  I think JFW ships a 
protected version which only works with their product.

Re: software speech

[Tom Fowle]

Kare,
NVDA;s site says it supports Microsoft SAPI 4 and 5  so, theoretically, if
your hardware synth maker provides a SAPI driver it "should" work?
I have only used nvda with espeak and that was years ago, so I can only say
what their site says.

Sorry to mention the "opposition" product here <GRIN>
I'll try not to sin again! <GRIN>
Tom Fowle

On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 11:21:38PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Tom,
> Does NVDa support hardware speech at all?
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015, Tom Fowle wrote:
> 
> >the NVDA screen reader uses espeak as its default english speech.
> >Tom Fowle
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> >
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Re: software speech

[Al Sten-Clanton]

Hi, Glenn.  I have NVDA on my Windows machine now.  It has Eloquence 
because we're using JAWS.  Eloquence didn't seem to be on the list of 
supported speech output for NVDA, neither mentioned in the online manual 
nore available when I arrowed around to see what was there.  How do you 
get NVDA to work with Eloquence?  (I know this is far from a Speakup 
topic, but your message cries out to me for the question.)

Thanks!

Al

On 12/5/2015 2:13 PM, Glenn wrote:
> I'm not a fan of SAPI voices, because they are less responsive than others
> like Eloquence or eSpeak, but when I install NVDA on people's computers, I
> generally use the SAPI voice, which is similar to the voice on the iPhone,
> and most folks new to a screenreader prefer a human-sounding voice.
> I use Eloquence on NVDA, as well as in JFW.
> As things are getting so much smaller these days, the computers are getting
> smaller than our external synths.
> I hope to get an Intel NUC, which is about the size of my external DecTalk
> Express.
> My favorite synth was the internal Artic215, now that was a responsive
> synth!  I wish they had made it in a PCI card, as I still have a few towers
> around the house using PCI slots, but none with ISA slots, and I am only
> keeping the old towers going, I don't really want to build any more big
> towers, as I could find a motherboard with an ISA slot, I just don't need
> another tower/desktop type any more.
> Glenn
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> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@shellworld.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: software speech
>
>
> but why?
> There are many hardware synthesizers with far better voice quality.  Even
> models that were available in USB.
> why on earth should anyone be expected to have poor quality speech when
> the tools  exist otherwise?
> Not that I am a windows user,  or a Linux one either of course smiles.
> Kare
>
>
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Tony Baechler wrote:
>
>> On 12/4/2015 8:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>>   Tom,
>>>   Does NVDa support hardware speech at all?
>>>   Kare
>>
>>
>> The short answer is no.  ESpeak is the default but it does support SAPI
>> and
>> has its own software synth called NV Speech Player.  However, there is a
>> very
>> basic addon for the DECtalk Express which doesn't work very well and
>> another
>> DECtalk addon which looks better, but I haven't tried it.  In theory, it
>> shouldn't be hard to support hardware speech because it has good serial
>> Braille support, but I'm not a Python programmer.  I had the idea to hack
>> a
>> Braille driver to support the DECtalk Express, but I didn't get very far
>> and
>> it probably wouldn't work anyway.  Therefore, I would say for now the
>> official answer is not really.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
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> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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>

Re: software speech

[Glenn]

I'm not a fan of SAPI voices, because they are less responsive than others 
like Eloquence or eSpeak, but when I install NVDA on people's computers, I 
generally use the SAPI voice, which is similar to the voice on the iPhone, 
and most folks new to a screenreader prefer a human-sounding voice.
I use Eloquence on NVDA, as well as in JFW.
As things are getting so much smaller these days, the computers are getting 
smaller than our external synths.
I hope to get an Intel NUC, which is about the size of my external DecTalk 
Express.
My favorite synth was the internal Artic215, now that was a responsive 
synth!  I wish they had made it in a PCI card, as I still have a few towers 
around the house using PCI slots, but none with ISA slots, and I am only 
keeping the old towers going, I don't really want to build any more big 
towers, as I could find a motherboard with an ISA slot, I just don't need 
another tower/desktop type any more.
Glenn
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From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@shellworld.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
<speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


but why?
There are many hardware synthesizers with far better voice quality.  Even
models that were available in USB.
why on earth should anyone be expected to have poor quality speech when
the tools  exist otherwise?
Not that I am a windows user,  or a Linux one either of course smiles.
Kare


On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Tony Baechler wrote:

> On 12/4/2015 8:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>  Tom,
>>  Does NVDa support hardware speech at all?
>>  Kare
>
>
> The short answer is no.  ESpeak is the default but it does support SAPI 
> and
> has its own software synth called NV Speech Player.  However, there is a 
> very
> basic addon for the DECtalk Express which doesn't work very well and 
> another
> DECtalk addon which looks better, but I haven't tried it.  In theory, it
> shouldn't be hard to support hardware speech because it has good serial
> Braille support, but I'm not a Python programmer.  I had the idea to hack 
> a
> Braille driver to support the DECtalk Express, but I didn't get very far 
> and
> it probably wouldn't work anyway.  Therefore, I would say for now the
> official answer is not really.
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: software speech

[Karen Lewellen]

but why?
There are many hardware synthesizers with far better voice quality.  Even 
models that were available in USB.
why on earth should anyone be expected to have poor quality speech when 
the tools  exist otherwise?
Not that I am a windows user,  or a Linux one either of course smiles.
Kare


On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Tony Baechler wrote:

> On 12/4/2015 8:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>  Tom,
>>  Does NVDa support hardware speech at all?
>>  Kare
>
>
> The short answer is no.  ESpeak is the default but it does support SAPI and 
> has its own software synth called NV Speech Player.  However, there is a very 
> basic addon for the DECtalk Express which doesn't work very well and another 
> DECtalk addon which looks better, but I haven't tried it.  In theory, it 
> shouldn't be hard to support hardware speech because it has good serial 
> Braille support, but I'm not a Python programmer.  I had the idea to hack a 
> Braille driver to support the DECtalk Express, but I didn't get very far and 
> it probably wouldn't work anyway.  Therefore, I would say for now the 
> official answer is not really.
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: software speech

[Tony Baechler]

On 12/4/2015 8:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Tom,
> Does NVDa support hardware speech at all?
> Kare


The short answer is no.  ESpeak is the default but it does support SAPI and 
has its own software synth called NV Speech Player.  However, there is a 
very basic addon for the DECtalk Express which doesn't work very well and 
another DECtalk addon which looks better, but I haven't tried it.  In 
theory, it shouldn't be hard to support hardware speech because it has good 
serial Braille support, but I'm not a Python programmer.  I had the idea to 
hack a Braille driver to support the DECtalk Express, but I didn't get very 
far and it probably wouldn't work anyway.  Therefore, I would say for now 
the official answer is not really.

Re: software speech

[Brian Moore]

  but they do exist and I have them if I look around.
Brian.there are add ons for some hardware synthesizers. not sure if they 
are in the official repository

On 04/12/2015 11:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Tom,
> Does NVDa support hardware speech at all?
> Kare
>
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015, Tom Fowle wrote:
>
>> the NVDA screen reader uses espeak as its default english speech.
>> Tom Fowle
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: software speech

[Karen Lewellen]

Tom,
Does NVDa support hardware speech at all?
Kare


On Fri, 4 Dec 2015, Tom Fowle wrote:

> the NVDA screen reader uses espeak as its default english speech.
> Tom Fowle
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: software speech

[Tom Fowle]

the NVDA screen reader uses espeak as its default english speech.
Tom Fowle

Re: software speech

[Alex Snow]

What I usually do is push the all option, then go through the list of 
packages and set the stuff I don't want to uninstall.
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2008 at 12:19:42PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> > I use Cygwin just fine in Windows with speech. You just use your screen 
> > reader's virtual mouse keys to move to the all item and to the left of it 
> > there's a graphic that you click and it will change all the packages 
> > status to install. Then just go to next button and off it will go.
> 
> Ok, but that assumes you want to install all the packages.
> 
> Greg
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Re: software speech

[Erik Heil]

Hi,
Apparently its not that difficult to navigate the Cygwin package managers.
I can't speak from personal experience, as I don't have any Windows
installations here at all.  But people have successfully done it.  Form
what I hear, Cygwin is pretty good.  It even includes an X server and
clients.  What would be cool though is if one could install and run Gnome
with Metacity under Windows.   Don't mean it to be a permanent solution,
but just for those who want to see what the environment is like and don't
want to deal with a slow liveCD.  I suppose though that their are
alternative options such as USB/CF cards, but doesn't do much for machines
that don't either support them as a boot device or lack necessary
hardware.

--Erik

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Steve Holmes wrote:

> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:28:47 -0700
> From: Steve Holmes <steve@holmesgrown.com>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: software speech
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> Furthermore, the installer is down right horrible! I couldn't select
> packages, no how, no way.  I couldn't ever figure out the selected
> status of any of the items in the package selection list box.  When I
> wrote on the cygwin mail list about it, it was implied that the
> program would have to be completely re-written to correct this
> problem.  So I just gave up on cygwin completely.  Since I already had
> a fully functional linux environment, I figured, why bother with it.
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 01:48:50PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> > The thing with cygwin though, is that you have to install a whole
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> > whole base system, you can't just install the ssh client). If this has
> > changed since about 5 years ago, which is when I last played with
> > cygwin, then it would be good to know that.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 03:19:56PM -0400, Nick Stockton wrote:
> > > Well I've used cygwin's ssh client for a long time now to connect to my
> > > server box when not at home and it works great with jaws or nvda.
> > > Windoweyes command line access is not as good as jaws or nvda so if you
> > > have windoweyes you might want to install a copy of nvda in order to use
> > > cygwin.
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Re: software speech

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 01:15:47PM -0500, Jerry Matheny wrote:
> I use Cygwin just fine in Windows with speech. You just use your screen 
> reader's virtual mouse keys to move to the all item and to the left of it 
> there's a graphic that you click and it will change all the packages 
> status to install. Then just go to next button and off it will go.

Ok, but that assumes you want to install all the packages.

Greg


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Re: software speech

[Jerry Matheny]

I use Cygwin just fine in Windows with speech. You just use your  
screen reader's virtual mouse keys to move to the all item and to the  
left of it there's a graphic that you click and it will change all the  
packages status to install. Then just go to next button and off it  
will go.
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> If you decide you do want a unix-like environment under the other OS,
> and don't want to install a gnu/linux distro in a vm, I'd suggest
> interix/services for unix under xp, or the built-in equivalent that
> supposedly comes with vista. I have SFU installed on my windows
> installation here, and can't complain. Having said that though, I must
> also say that I haven't made much use of it, so there may yet be
> something for me to complain about.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 04:28:47AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> Furthermore, the installer is down right horrible! I couldn't select
>> packages, no how, no way.  I couldn't ever figure out the selected
>> status of any of the items in the package selection list box.  When I
>> wrote on the cygwin mail list about it, it was implied that the
>> program would have to be completely re-written to correct this
>> problem.  So I just gave up on cygwin completely.  Since I already  
>> had
>> a fully functional linux environment, I figured, why bother with it.
>>
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Re: software speech

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If you decide you do want a unix-like environment under the other OS,
and don't want to install a gnu/linux distro in a vm, I'd suggest
interix/services for unix under xp, or the built-in equivalent that
supposedly comes with vista. I have SFU installed on my windows
installation here, and can't complain. Having said that though, I must
also say that I haven't made much use of it, so there may yet be
something for me to complain about.

Greg


On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 04:28:47AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> Furthermore, the installer is down right horrible! I couldn't select
> packages, no how, no way.  I couldn't ever figure out the selected
> status of any of the items in the package selection list box.  When I
> wrote on the cygwin mail list about it, it was implied that the
> program would have to be completely re-written to correct this
> problem.  So I just gave up on cygwin completely.  Since I already had
> a fully functional linux environment, I figured, why bother with it.
> 


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Re: software speech

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Furthermore, the installer is down right horrible! I couldn't select
packages, no how, no way.  I couldn't ever figure out the selected
status of any of the items in the package selection list box.  When I
wrote on the cygwin mail list about it, it was implied that the
program would have to be completely re-written to correct this
problem.  So I just gave up on cygwin completely.  Since I already had
a fully functional linux environment, I figured, why bother with it.

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> The thing with cygwin though, is that you have to install a whole
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> whole base system, you can't just install the ssh client). If this has
> changed since about 5 years ago, which is when I last played with
> cygwin, then it would be good to know that.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 03:19:56PM -0400, Nick Stockton wrote:
> > Well I've used cygwin's ssh client for a long time now to connect to my  
> > server box when not at home and it works great with jaws or nvda.
> > Windoweyes command line access is not as good as jaws or nvda so if you 
> > have windoweyes you might want to install a copy of nvda in order to use 
> > cygwin.
> > When I'm at home I use my debian desktop.
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re: software speech

[Jude DaShiell]

A freedos tip I learned about and will try in time is to set nansi.sys up 
to run with the (/R) switch since that moves the screen writes off of 
int10 and onto int16.  Should help it work with dos capable screen readers 
nicely.

Re: software speech

[Nick Stockton]

Yes saddly out of all the windows screen readers I've tryed jaws, 
windoweyes, nvda and system access windoweyes has the werst console support.
Try using jaws or nvda.
nvda uses almost the same layout for it's review commands so it's about the 
closest you can get in native windows to running speakup.
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Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: software speech


Samuel Thibault wrote:
> John Heim, le Fri 22 Aug 2008 11:59:58 -0500, a écrit :
>
>> For what it's worth, freedos & jaws for dos work really well as a dumb 
>> terminal for running cursor apps. I don't know of any Windows terminal 
>> emulators that work well enough with jaws to allow you to run cursor 
>> apps.
>
> putty or cygwin should work just fine.
>



Hi,

I can't speak for JFW users because I don't use it, but I can say that
I've never had good results with any telnet or ssh app using a Windows
GUI screen reader.  I haven't tried NVDA or System Access which both
seem to have better command prompt support, but I can say that I had
problems with putty and Cygwin.  Cygwin was far better, but not by
much.  Mostly the problem is that lines aren't spoken.  For example, if
I type something like this:

ssh -l tony example.com

I never hear the prompt asking for my password.  I just have to wait a
few seconds and hope it's there or try to use the mouse keys.  I have
similar problems with my shell prompt, ncftp, etc.  I don't think this
is strictly a Windows problem though as the Mac with VoiceOver did the
same thing, even though I read the manual.  I agree that the best idea
is to get either a live CD or basic Linux system up and running and ssh
from that, go back to Windows 98 and use a DOS screen reader like I've
done, or boot from a live CD which is what Tyler did.  The very old
2004.3 Gentoo and grml live CDs both work well for the purpose.  I've
not used Gentoo 2008.0 because I don't know if Speakup is included or not.

Getting back to comparing Putty and Cygwin ssh, at least I could usually
make Cygwin work with effort.  I could never get putty to work reliably
because it is not a console app.  Even using the mouse reading keys,
often putty would do something weird with the cursor and I couldn't find
my place on the screen, for example I couldn't find my shell prompt.  I
had to turn on speak all to get any speech at all, not so with Cygwin.
Then again, I use Window-Eyes and it doesn't have great command prompt
support generally.  A normal cmd prompt won't read properly most of the
time either.
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Re: software speech

[Tony Baechler]

Gregory Nowak wrote:
> The thing with cygwin though, is that you have to install a whole
> bunch of software, (I.E. in order to use ssh, you have to install the
> whole base system, you can't just install the ssh client). If this has
> changed since about 5 years ago, which is when I last played with
> cygwin, then it would be good to know that.
>   



Hi,

No, that hasn't really changed, but why is that a problem?  The base 
system is very small and only includes bash and a few dll files.  If you 
really only want ssh, you can install it manually provided you know what 
you're doing.  Even then, you need the base system, but again it's very 
small.  I can send you a minimal ssh and telnet install that I use here 
for emergencies.  All it consists of is ssh.exe, cygtel.exe, the SSL and 
crypt libraries and the main cygwin1.dll.  I think that's about it.  I 
renamed telnet.exe to cygtel.exe to not conflict with the Windows 
telnet.  I also have a similar small install which includes rsync.  
Besides, you can always delete the parts you don't want, as long as 
there is only one cygwin1.dll file that the binaries will find when you 
run them.  I should also add that Cygwin has had some fairly major 
changes lately, so a new install would definitely be a good idea if you 
want to check it out.  There is still no uninstall and it still 
automatically writes to the registry.

Re: software speech

[Tony Baechler]

Samuel Thibault wrote:
> John Heim, le Fri 22 Aug 2008 11:59:58 -0500, a écrit :
>   
>> For what it's worth, freedos & jaws for dos work really well as a dumb 
>> terminal for running cursor apps. I don't know of any Windows terminal 
>> emulators that work well enough with jaws to allow you to run cursor apps. 
>>     
>
> putty or cygwin should work just fine.
>   



Hi,

I can't speak for JFW users because I don't use it, but I can say that 
I've never had good results with any telnet or ssh app using a Windows 
GUI screen reader.  I haven't tried NVDA or System Access which both 
seem to have better command prompt support, but I can say that I had 
problems with putty and Cygwin.  Cygwin was far better, but not by 
much.  Mostly the problem is that lines aren't spoken.  For example, if 
I type something like this:

ssh -l tony example.com

I never hear the prompt asking for my password.  I just have to wait a 
few seconds and hope it's there or try to use the mouse keys.  I have 
similar problems with my shell prompt, ncftp, etc.  I don't think this 
is strictly a Windows problem though as the Mac with VoiceOver did the 
same thing, even though I read the manual.  I agree that the best idea 
is to get either a live CD or basic Linux system up and running and ssh 
from that, go back to Windows 98 and use a DOS screen reader like I've 
done, or boot from a live CD which is what Tyler did.  The very old 
2004.3 Gentoo and grml live CDs both work well for the purpose.  I've 
not used Gentoo 2008.0 because I don't know if Speakup is included or not.

Getting back to comparing Putty and Cygwin ssh, at least I could usually 
make Cygwin work with effort.  I could never get putty to work reliably 
because it is not a console app.  Even using the mouse reading keys, 
often putty would do something weird with the cursor and I couldn't find 
my place on the screen, for example I couldn't find my shell prompt.  I 
had to turn on speak all to get any speech at all, not so with Cygwin.  
Then again, I use Window-Eyes and it doesn't have great command prompt 
support generally.  A normal cmd prompt won't read properly most of the 
time either.

Re: software speech

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On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:01:52PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> It is not going to change, as it is the principle of cygwin.

Yup, that's what I thought, but decided it didn't hurt to ask, and be surprised.

Greg


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Re: software speech

[Nick Stockton]

http://voxel.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/sereds/Copssh_1.4.6_Installer.zip
CopSSH is a 5 MB download with the OpenSSH client and server and just the 
bare essentials of Cygwin needed to run OpenSSH all in a bundle with 
installer.

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Subject: Re: software speech


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> The thing with cygwin though, is that you have to install a whole
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> changed since about 5 years ago, which is when I last played with
> cygwin, then it would be good to know that.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 03:19:56PM -0400, Nick Stockton wrote:
>> Well I've used cygwin's ssh client for a long time now to connect to my
>> server box when not at home and it works great with jaws or nvda.
>> Windoweyes command line access is not as good as jaws or nvda so if you
>> have windoweyes you might want to install a copy of nvda in order to use
>> cygwin.
>> When I'm at home I use my debian desktop.
>
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Re: software speech

[Samuel Thibault]

Gregory Nowak, le Fri 22 Aug 2008 13:48:50 -0700, a écrit :
> The thing with cygwin though, is that you have to install a whole
> bunch of software, (I.E. in order to use ssh, you have to install the
> whole base system, you can't just install the ssh client). If this has
> changed since about 5 years ago, which is when I last played with
> cygwin, then it would be good to know that.

It is not going to change, as it is the principle of cygwin. That's why
I suggested using putty first, which to my knowledge has a pretty good
terminal support.

Samuel

Re: software speech

[Gregory Nowak]

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The thing with cygwin though, is that you have to install a whole
bunch of software, (I.E. in order to use ssh, you have to install the
whole base system, you can't just install the ssh client). If this has
changed since about 5 years ago, which is when I last played with
cygwin, then it would be good to know that.

Greg


On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 03:19:56PM -0400, Nick Stockton wrote:
> Well I've used cygwin's ssh client for a long time now to connect to my  
> server box when not at home and it works great with jaws or nvda.
> Windoweyes command line access is not as good as jaws or nvda so if you 
> have windoweyes you might want to install a copy of nvda in order to use 
> cygwin.
> When I'm at home I use my debian desktop.


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Re: software speech

[Nick Stockton]

Well I've used cygwin's ssh client for a long time now to connect to my 
server box when not at home and it works great with jaws or nvda.
Windoweyes command line access is not as good as jaws or nvda so if you have 
windoweyes you might want to install a copy of nvda in order to use cygwin.
When I'm at home I use my debian desktop.
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Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


>putty or cygwin should work just fine.

keyword being... should.

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Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: software speech


John Heim, le Fri 22 Aug 2008 11:59:58 -0500, a écrit :
> For what it's worth, freedos & jaws for dos work really well as a dumb
> terminal for running cursor apps. I don't know of any Windows terminal
> emulators that work well enough with jaws to allow you to run cursor apps.

putty or cygwin should work just fine.

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Re: software speech

[Tyler Littlefield]

>putty or cygwin should work just fine.

keyword being... should.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Samuel Thibault" <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: software speech


John Heim, le Fri 22 Aug 2008 11:59:58 -0500, a écrit :
> For what it's worth, freedos & jaws for dos work really well as a dumb
> terminal for running cursor apps. I don't know of any Windows terminal
> emulators that work well enough with jaws to allow you to run cursor apps.

putty or cygwin should work just fine.

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Re: software speech

[Samuel Thibault]

John Heim, le Fri 22 Aug 2008 11:59:58 -0500, a écrit :
> For what it's worth, freedos & jaws for dos work really well as a dumb 
> terminal for running cursor apps. I don't know of any Windows terminal 
> emulators that work well enough with jaws to allow you to run cursor apps. 

putty or cygwin should work just fine.

Samuel

Re: software speech

[John Heim]

I would use grml.  Boot grml, ssh to the machine where you're compiling the 
kernel, then run menuconfig.



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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


> hello; that's the problem. I don't have ssh access through a terminal... 
> which is why I'm using windows until and if I can get software speech 
> going.
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: software speech
>
>
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>> If I recall correctly, you're doing ssh access via windows and
>> jaws. If that's so, then that may be your problem. I've never used
>> jaws, so can't comment there. However, I can say that I try to avoid
>> ssh clients under windows as much as possible. If using ssh as a
>> client under gnu/linux, you should indeed have no problems doing
>> menuconfig, or anything else for that matter. It's so seamless in
>> fact, that you can easily forget you're not logged in on a physical
>> console (I.E. sitting in front of a keyboard physically attached to
>> the machine you're logged in on). That's not the case when using a
>> windows ssh client, at least it never has been for me.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 04:47:03PM -0600, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>> thanks for the sarcasm.
>>> It's never worked for me, despite all the people telling me that it
>>> gloriously does.
>>> Thanks,
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Re: software speech

[John Heim]

For what it's worth, freedos & jaws for dos work really well as a dumb 
terminal for running cursor apps. I don't know of any Windows terminal 
emulators that work well enough with jaws to allow you to run cursor apps. 
They may exist but I've never seen them.
PS: If you have an external doubletalk and you want to get started with 
freedos, here is a link to a diskette image that boots freedos with jaws for 
DOS and starts speaking via a doubletalk LT (ltlk). Then you can run the 
freedos installer from the fredos CD with speech.

https://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/blindi/FreeDOS-ltlk.img





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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


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> If I recall correctly, you're doing ssh access via windows and
> jaws. If that's so, then that may be your problem. I've never used
> jaws, so can't comment there. However, I can say that I try to avoid
> ssh clients under windows as much as possible. If using ssh as a
> client under gnu/linux, you should indeed have no problems doing
> menuconfig, or anything else for that matter. It's so seamless in
> fact, that you can easily forget you're not logged in on a physical
> console (I.E. sitting in front of a keyboard physically attached to
> the machine you're logged in on). That's not the case when using a
> windows ssh client, at least it never has been for me.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 04:47:03PM -0600, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> thanks for the sarcasm.
>> It's never worked for me, despite all the people telling me that it
>> gloriously does.
>> Thanks,
>> ~~TheCreator~~
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>> http://tysdomain.com
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>> http://piratecafe.net
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>
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Re: software speech

[Tony Baechler]

Janina Sajka wrote:
> So very, very true. In fact, this has at times fooled me into rebooting
> the wrong machine. My error , orf course, in not paying attention to the
> hostname which is part of my prompt. But, it has in fact happened that
> I've rebooted a machine half way around the planet when I meant to
> reboot the laptop I was typing on.
>   



I can't comment on distros other than Debian, but there is a package 
called mollygard or mollyguard which is supposed to prevent this.  It 
still allows reboots but will prompt you if you're connected via ssh.  I 
haven't used it.

Re: software speech

[Janina Sajka]

Tony Baechler writes:
> ...  I've noticed that the Speakup keyboard echo is slightly less
> responsive with ssh but I can certainly live with it.  With Cygwin,
> ssh  is very slow and I often have to wait a few seconds for what I'm
> typing  to catch up.  The standard Linux openssh client doesn't have
> that  problem at all.
Well, yes. You need to take into account all the layers between you and
the remote OS. I can report experiencing all kinds of lags to machines
not very far away, and also almost instantaneous response to machines
half a planet away.  It just depends on how performant the various
connections are. But, it's not ssh that introduces the lags. It's other
factors like the quality of internet connections among the machines
involved, or how your host OS handles a resident shell application in
the case of Cygwin.

Janina

Re: software speech

[Janina Sajka]

Gregory Nowak writes:
> ... If using ssh as a
> client under gnu/linux, you should indeed have no problems doing
> menuconfig, or anything else for that matter. It's so seamless in
> fact, that you can easily forget you're not logged in on a physical
> console (I.E. sitting in front of a keyboard physically attached to
> the machine you're logged in on).

So very, very true. In fact, this has at times fooled me into rebooting
the wrong machine. My error , orf course, in not paying attention to the
hostname which is part of my prompt. But, it has in fact happened that
I've rebooted a machine half way around the planet when I meant to
reboot the laptop I was typing on.

So, when you get your ssh act together, it may be wise to make sure your
prompt is showing your hostname. In fact, I'm thinking of rewriting my
/sbin/reboot to prompt for hostname, and refuse the action if no match.

Janina

Re: software speech

[Tony Baechler]

luke wrote:
> If what Greg says is the case, then I retract my sarcasm -- your statement 
> of certainty that it would not work may very well apply to a Windows case.
>   



No, it doesn't.  I've used make menuconfig here before with the Cygwin 
ssh client.  I'm not saying how accessible it will be, but I'm saying 
that yes, it does work and can be done.

Re: software speech

[Tony Baechler]

Gregory Nowak wrote:
> If I recall correctly, you're doing ssh access via windows and
> jaws. If that's so, then that may be your problem. I've never used
> jaws, so can't comment there. However, I can say that I try to avoid
> ssh clients under windows as much as possible. If using ssh as a
> client under gnu/linux, you should indeed have no problems doing
> menuconfig, or anything else for that matter. It's so seamless in
> fact, that you can easily forget you're not logged in on a physical
> console (I.E. sitting in front of a keyboard physically attached to
> the machine you're logged in on). That's not the case when using a
> windows ssh client, at least it never has been for me. 
>   



Hi,

I would have to at least mostly agree.  I use the Cygwin ssh client 
without any problems, but it leaves a lot to be desired as far as 
overall accessibility in anything other than Windows 98.  The problem is 
Windows, not the ssh client.  I recommend the Cygwin ssh client if your 
screen reader gives good command prompt access.  The problem I run into 
is that a GUI environment doesn't do well at handling console apps, 
specifically GUI screen readers don't do well with command prompts or 
text-based programs such as the Cygwin ssh client, telnet, etc.  I 
wouldn't quite go so far as to say that access from Linux to another 
Linux system is seemless, but it's a lot better than going through 
Windows.  I've noticed that the Speakup keyboard echo is slightly less 
responsive with ssh but I can certainly live with it.  With Cygwin, ssh 
is very slow and I often have to wait a few seconds for what I'm typing 
to catch up.  The standard Linux openssh client doesn't have that 
problem at all.  There was once that I was working on a Linux server 
from my Linux desktop with ssh.  I kept trying commands and couldn't 
figure out why things weren't working.  Basically I forgot that I wasn't 
on my local desktop.  Once I logged off the server, I realized that in 
fact the program I had been using wasn't on my desktop.  My point is 
that I would agree with Greg in that it's far better than anything you 
can do in Windows.

Re: software speech

[Tyler Littlefield]

it either reads the previous line, or it doesn't read at all. for example 
when on a yes no selection, I see yes noo yes, etc. I can tell sometimes 
what it's on, but it's hard.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "luke" <speakup@lists.tacticus.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: software speech


> You're welcome.:)
>
> Now, what happens when you have tried it?  Perhaps there is a fix.
>
> Luke
>
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>
>> thanks for the sarcasm.
>> It's never worked for me, despite all the people telling me that it 
>> gloriously
>> does.
>> Thanks,
>> ~~TheCreator~~
>> Visit TDS for quality software and website production
>> http://tysdomain.com
>> visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
>> http://piratecafe.net
>> msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "luke" <speakup@lists.tacticus.com>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: software speech
>>
>>
>> > On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> >
>> > > > You could try "make menuconfig"
>> > > doesn't work through ssh.
>> >
>> > I'll have to remember that the next time I use it through ssh.  Nice to
>> > know that I can still do the impossible every once in a while.
>> >
>> > Luke
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Re: software speech

[luke]

Tyler

If what Greg says is the case, then I retract my sarcasm -- your statement 
of certainty that it would not work may very well apply to a Windows case.

Luke

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> If I recall correctly, you're doing ssh access via windows and
> jaws. If that's so, then that may be your problem. I've never used
> jaws, so can't comment there. However, I can say that I try to avoid
> ssh clients under windows as much as possible. If using ssh as a
> client under gnu/linux, you should indeed have no problems doing
> menuconfig, or anything else for that matter. It's so seamless in
> fact, that you can easily forget you're not logged in on a physical
> console (I.E. sitting in front of a keyboard physically attached to
> the machine you're logged in on). That's not the case when using a
> windows ssh client, at least it never has been for me. 
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 04:47:03PM -0600, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> > thanks for the sarcasm.
> > It's never worked for me, despite all the people telling me that it  
> > gloriously does.
> > Thanks,
> > ~~TheCreator~~
> > Visit TDS for quality software and website production
> > http://tysdomain.com
> > visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
> > http://piratecafe.net
> > msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
> > skype: st8amnd127
> 
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Re: software speech

[luke]

You're welcome.:)

Now, what happens when you have tried it?  Perhaps there is a fix.

Luke

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> thanks for the sarcasm.
> It's never worked for me, despite all the people telling me that it gloriously
> does.
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> Visit TDS for quality software and website production
> http://tysdomain.com
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> skype: st8amnd127
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "luke" <speakup@lists.tacticus.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: software speech
> 
> 
> > On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> > 
> > > > You could try "make menuconfig"
> > > doesn't work through ssh.
> > 
> > I'll have to remember that the next time I use it through ssh.  Nice to
> > know that I can still do the impossible every once in a while.
> > 
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Re: software speech

[Kerry Hoath]

Void Function NewTextEvent (handle Window, string Text, int Attributes, int 
FGColor, int BGColor, int Echo, string Frame)

if (GetWindowClass(window) == "VTWin32") && (GetScreenEcho() > 0) then

SayString(text)

EndIf

NewTextEvent(Window,Text,Attributes,FGColor,BGColor,Echo,Frame)

EndFunction




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From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@tysdomain.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: software speech


hello; I have secure crt, doesn't seem to be doing the job. the jaws script
would be awesome.

Thanks,
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


> Did you get my message regarding how to make this work previously? It was
> posted to this list.
>
>
> You need UTF-8 Teraterm pro and a Jaws script.
>
> Teraterm can be had from
> http://ttssh2.sourceforge.jp/
>
> You can get the jaws script from me via email, it is 3 or 4 lines of code.
>
> You set your cursor shape to either horrizontal or vertacle line and not
> block and it works a treat for full screen applications.
>
> It's not as nice as speakup as you do have to do a bit of jaws key plus up
> arrow to read the current line but it works well enough and certainly
> allows
> you to do full-screen stuff.
>
> Jaws does read a lot of Tera Special characters when an application uses
> dialog and line drawing characters however this should be fixable.
>
> The other alternative is SecureCrt from vandike software, however it costs
> money.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@tysdomain.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:47 AM
> Subject: Re: software speech
>
>
> thanks for the sarcasm.
> It's never worked for me, despite all the people telling me that it
> gloriously does.
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> Visit TDS for quality software and website production
> http://tysdomain.com
> visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
> http://piratecafe.net
> msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
> skype: st8amnd127
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "luke" <speakup@lists.tacticus.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: software speech
>
>
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>
>>> > You could try "make menuconfig"
>>> doesn't work through ssh.
>>
>> I'll have to remember that the next time I use it through ssh.  Nice to
>> know that I can still do the impossible every once in a while.
>>
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Re: software speech

[Tyler Littlefield]

hello; I have secure crt, doesn't seem to be doing the job. the jaws script 
would be awesome.

Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
Visit TDS for quality software and website production
http://tysdomain.com
visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
http://piratecafe.net
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry Hoath" <kerry@gotss.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


> Did you get my message regarding how to make this work previously? It was
> posted to this list.
>
>
> You need UTF-8 Teraterm pro and a Jaws script.
>
> Teraterm can be had from
> http://ttssh2.sourceforge.jp/
>
> You can get the jaws script from me via email, it is 3 or 4 lines of code.
>
> You set your cursor shape to either horrizontal or vertacle line and not
> block and it works a treat for full screen applications.
>
> It's not as nice as speakup as you do have to do a bit of jaws key plus up
> arrow to read the current line but it works well enough and certainly 
> allows
> you to do full-screen stuff.
>
> Jaws does read a lot of Tera Special characters when an application uses
> dialog and line drawing characters however this should be fixable.
>
> The other alternative is SecureCrt from vandike software, however it costs
> money.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@tysdomain.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:47 AM
> Subject: Re: software speech
>
>
> thanks for the sarcasm.
> It's never worked for me, despite all the people telling me that it
> gloriously does.
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> Visit TDS for quality software and website production
> http://tysdomain.com
> visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
> http://piratecafe.net
> msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
> skype: st8amnd127
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "luke" <speakup@lists.tacticus.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: software speech
>
>
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>
>>> > You could try "make menuconfig"
>>> doesn't work through ssh.
>>
>> I'll have to remember that the next time I use it through ssh.  Nice to
>> know that I can still do the impossible every once in a while.
>>
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Re: software speech

[Kerry Hoath]

Did you get my message regarding how to make this work previously? It was 
posted to this list.


You need UTF-8 Teraterm pro and a Jaws script.

Teraterm can be had from
http://ttssh2.sourceforge.jp/

You can get the jaws script from me via email, it is 3 or 4 lines of code.

You set your cursor shape to either horrizontal or vertacle line and not 
block and it works a treat for full screen applications.

It's not as nice as speakup as you do have to do a bit of jaws key plus up 
arrow to read the current line but it works well enough and certainly allows 
you to do full-screen stuff.

Jaws does read a lot of Tera Special characters when an application uses 
dialog and line drawing characters however this should be fixable.

The other alternative is SecureCrt from vandike software, however it costs 
money.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@tysdomain.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: software speech


thanks for the sarcasm.
It's never worked for me, despite all the people telling me that it
gloriously does.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "luke" <speakup@lists.tacticus.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>
>> > You could try "make menuconfig"
>> doesn't work through ssh.
>
> I'll have to remember that the next time I use it through ssh.  Nice to
> know that I can still do the impossible every once in a while.
>
> Luke
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Re: software speech

[Tyler Littlefield]

hello; that's the problem. I don't have ssh access through a terminal... 
which is why I'm using windows until and if I can get software speech going.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


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> If I recall correctly, you're doing ssh access via windows and
> jaws. If that's so, then that may be your problem. I've never used
> jaws, so can't comment there. However, I can say that I try to avoid
> ssh clients under windows as much as possible. If using ssh as a
> client under gnu/linux, you should indeed have no problems doing
> menuconfig, or anything else for that matter. It's so seamless in
> fact, that you can easily forget you're not logged in on a physical
> console (I.E. sitting in front of a keyboard physically attached to
> the machine you're logged in on). That's not the case when using a
> windows ssh client, at least it never has been for me.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 04:47:03PM -0600, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> thanks for the sarcasm.
>> It's never worked for me, despite all the people telling me that it
>> gloriously does.
>> Thanks,
>> ~~TheCreator~~
>> Visit TDS for quality software and website production
>> http://tysdomain.com
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>> skype: st8amnd127
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Re: software speech

[Gregory Nowak]

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If I recall correctly, you're doing ssh access via windows and
jaws. If that's so, then that may be your problem. I've never used
jaws, so can't comment there. However, I can say that I try to avoid
ssh clients under windows as much as possible. If using ssh as a
client under gnu/linux, you should indeed have no problems doing
menuconfig, or anything else for that matter. It's so seamless in
fact, that you can easily forget you're not logged in on a physical
console (I.E. sitting in front of a keyboard physically attached to
the machine you're logged in on). That's not the case when using a
windows ssh client, at least it never has been for me. 

Greg


On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 04:47:03PM -0600, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> thanks for the sarcasm.
> It's never worked for me, despite all the people telling me that it  
> gloriously does.
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> Visit TDS for quality software and website production
> http://tysdomain.com
> visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
> http://piratecafe.net
> msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
> skype: st8amnd127


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Re: software speech

[Tyler Littlefield]

thanks for the sarcasm.
It's never worked for me, despite all the people telling me that it 
gloriously does.
Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
Visit TDS for quality software and website production
http://tysdomain.com
visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "luke" <speakup@lists.tacticus.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>
>> > You could try "make menuconfig"
>> doesn't work through ssh.
>
> I'll have to remember that the next time I use it through ssh.  Nice to
> know that I can still do the impossible every once in a while.
>
> Luke
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Re: software speech

[luke]

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> > You could try "make menuconfig"
> doesn't work through ssh.

I'll have to remember that the next time I use it through ssh.  Nice to 
know that I can still do the impossible every once in a while.

Luke

Re: software speech

[Tony Baechler]

Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Tyler Littlefield, le Mon 18 Aug 2008 13:36:48 -0600, a écrit :
>   
>> I just heard about the speakup modules; I'm running kernel Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6) 
>> are there modules for this kernel?
>>     
>
> No.  Kernels before 2.6.26 have to be patched to let speakup being
> loaded as modules.
>   



Hi,

I would just like to mention that my 2.6.24-speakup kernel packages are 
still available and run great on Etch.  My kernel has the speakup and 
speakup-dectlk modules built-in, the other synths are loadable modules.  
I can't help you with software speech, but I can say that the 
2.6.24-speakup kernel worked on two systems that I've tested it on, one 
Lenny and one Etch, and I think other people might have used it.  It 
installs and works like a traditional kernel package.  If you need to 
compile modules or otherwise need headers or source, also install the 
2.6.24-etchnhalf kernel packages available from the regular Debian 
archive.  For my custom kernel, go to:

http://baechler.net.nyud.net/debian/

http://baechler.net/debian/ if the above doesn't work

If anyone actually uses these kernel packages, please mail or post 
feedback.  I doubt that I will make future kernel packages available 
since 2.6.26 largely eliminates the need for patching and custom kernels 
in the first place, but I would like to know that my efforts weren't 
wasted.  They certainly saved my bacon on the Etch system I was working 
on last week which I posted about here.

Re: software speech

[Kerry Hoath]

Actually make menuconfig does work through ssh if you are using the correct 
terminal emulation software.
Try UTF8 Teraterm pro.
also screen cleans up a lot of unnecessary screen redrawing logic so try 
that too. I have used make menuconfig over ssh before.
alternatively put an older .config in place, run make oldconfig, edit the 
file by hand then run make oldconfig again.
Regards, Kerry.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@tysdomain.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


>You could try "make menuconfig"
doesn't work through ssh.


Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
Visit TDS for quality software and website production
http://tysdomain.com
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "luke" <speakup@lists.tacticus.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


You could try "make menuconfig"


On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> hello; I'm currently not sure how to do this besides run through that 500+
> list of yes/no answers, I'm confined to ssh access currently until I get
> software speech... is there another solution?
>
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> Visit TDS for quality software and website production
> http://tysdomain.com
> visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
> http://piratecafe.net
> msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
> skype: st8amnd127
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Thibault"
> <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:32 PM
> Subject: Re: software speech
>
>
> Tyler Littlefield, le Mon 18 Aug 2008 13:36:48 -0600, a écrit :
> > I just heard about the speakup modules; I'm running kernel Linux version
> > 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6)
> > are there modules for this kernel?
>
> No.  Kernels before 2.6.26 have to be patched to let speakup being
> loaded as modules.
>
> Samuel
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Re: software speech

[Nick Stockton]

what about using aptitude to upgrade to debian testing and downloading the 
2.6.25-2 kernel and the speakup modules for it?
that wouldn't give you the latest version from git but you'd have a talking 
computer in order to build the latest kernel and speakup versions.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@tysdomain.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: software speech


>You could try "make menuconfig"
doesn't work through ssh.


Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
Visit TDS for quality software and website production
http://tysdomain.com
visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
http://piratecafe.net
msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
skype: st8amnd127
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "luke" <speakup@lists.tacticus.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


You could try "make menuconfig"


On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> hello; I'm currently not sure how to do this besides run through that 500+
> list of yes/no answers, I'm confined to ssh access currently until I get
> software speech... is there another solution?
>
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> Visit TDS for quality software and website production
> http://tysdomain.com
> visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
> http://piratecafe.net
> msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
> skype: st8amnd127
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Thibault"
> <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:32 PM
> Subject: Re: software speech
>
>
> Tyler Littlefield, le Mon 18 Aug 2008 13:36:48 -0600, a écrit :
> > I just heard about the speakup modules; I'm running kernel Linux version
> > 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6)
> > are there modules for this kernel?
>
> No.  Kernels before 2.6.26 have to be patched to let speakup being
> loaded as modules.
>
> Samuel
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: software speech

[Tomas Cerha]

Tyler Littlefield napsal(a):
> Also, I seem to still be having issues getting speech dispatcher
> to talk with the selected synth... It just hangs or exits when I
> use spd-say. Help would be awesome!

Is there any error message?  What is in the log files?  You will most
likely find the log files in /var/log/speech-dispatcher/.

Best regards, Tomas.

Re: software speech

[Tyler Littlefield]

>You could try "make menuconfig"
doesn't work through ssh.


Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
Visit TDS for quality software and website production
http://tysdomain.com
visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
http://piratecafe.net
msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
skype: st8amnd127
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "luke" <speakup@lists.tacticus.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


You could try "make menuconfig"


On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> hello; I'm currently not sure how to do this besides run through that 500+
> list of yes/no answers, I'm confined to ssh access currently until I get
> software speech... is there another solution?
>
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> Visit TDS for quality software and website production
> http://tysdomain.com
> visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
> http://piratecafe.net
> msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
> skype: st8amnd127
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Thibault"
> <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:32 PM
> Subject: Re: software speech
>
>
> Tyler Littlefield, le Mon 18 Aug 2008 13:36:48 -0600, a écrit :
> > I just heard about the speakup modules; I'm running kernel Linux version
> > 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6)
> > are there modules for this kernel?
>
> No.  Kernels before 2.6.26 have to be patched to let speakup being
> loaded as modules.
>
> Samuel
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: software speech

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You could try "make menuconfig"


On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> hello; I'm currently not sure how to do this besides run through that 500+
> list of yes/no answers, I'm confined to ssh access currently until I get
> software speech... is there another solution?
> 
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> Visit TDS for quality software and website production
> http://tysdomain.com
> visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
> http://piratecafe.net
> msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
> skype: st8amnd127
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Thibault"
> <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:32 PM
> Subject: Re: software speech
> 
> 
> Tyler Littlefield, le Mon 18 Aug 2008 13:36:48 -0600, a écrit :
> > I just heard about the speakup modules; I'm running kernel Linux version
> > 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6)
> > are there modules for this kernel?
> 
> No.  Kernels before 2.6.26 have to be patched to let speakup being
> loaded as modules.
> 
> Samuel
> _______________________________________________
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Re: software speech

[Tyler Littlefield]

hello; I'm currently not sure how to do this besides run through that 500+ 
list of yes/no answers, I'm confined to ssh access currently until I get 
software speech... is there another solution?

Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
Visit TDS for quality software and website production
http://tysdomain.com
visit the piratecafe for programming related resources:
http://piratecafe.net
msn: tyler@tysdomain.com
skype: st8amnd127
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Samuel Thibault" <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: software speech


Tyler Littlefield, le Mon 18 Aug 2008 13:36:48 -0600, a écrit :
> I just heard about the speakup modules; I'm running kernel Linux version 
> 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6)
> are there modules for this kernel?

No.  Kernels before 2.6.26 have to be patched to let speakup being
loaded as modules.

Samuel
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Re: software speech

[Samuel Thibault]

Tyler Littlefield, le Mon 18 Aug 2008 13:36:48 -0600, a écrit :
> I just heard about the speakup modules; I'm running kernel Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6) 
> are there modules for this kernel?

No.  Kernels before 2.6.26 have to be patched to let speakup being
loaded as modules.

Samuel

software speech

[Tyler Littlefield]

Hello,
I'd love to get software speech going on this system at some point.
I just heard about the speakup modules; I'm running kernel Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6) 
are there modules for this kernel?
Also, I seem to still be having issues getting speech dispatcher to talk with the selected synth... It just hangs or exits when I use spd-say. Help would be awesome! I'd like to get software speech going so I can use linux from the pc rather than through ssh, and possibly recompile a new kernel set up for this system.

Thanks,
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Re: Software Speech

[David Csercsics]

I'm using pulseaudio but I can get alsa to work as well. I think you
could be hitting some issue where some version of portaudio you have
installed wants to use the oss emulation which does not mix multiple
sounds. Pulseaudio does a nice job of mixing though so maybe you should
try that. You'l likely have to rebuild your espeak package though to link
it against pulseaudio as I think the distros don't do that by default.

Re: Software Speech

[Terry D. Cudney]

Hi all,

	I'm having trouble with my laptop, single channel audio (intel_hda) and alsa. 

	Audio mixing was working when I initially installed everything... can't remember exactly when the mixing stopped working. Speakeup/.../espeak still works but no other sounds can play.

	What are people using? dmix? pulseaudio? other? to mix the audio into one channel?

	TIA,

	--terry

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re: software speech

[Geoff Shang]

On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Tyler Spivey wrote:

> is their such an emulator? and why couldn't it shut up? if i type stop
> at the tcl prompt it shuts up.

As far as I know, there are no such emulators for the PC.  And what I meant
about shutting up is that if you simply shunted speakup output to another
PC via terminal software, speakup wouldn't be able to directly tell the
synth when to shut up, making using speakup somewhat tedious.

Geoff.

re: software speech

[Tyler Spivey]

is their such an emulator? and why couldn't it shut up? if i type stop at the tcl prompt it shuts up.