experience with speakup git of today tusing 2.6.25-gentoo-r5

experience with speakup git of today tusing 2.6.25-gentoo-r5

[John covici]

OK, so I tried the latest speakup git with kernel 2.6.25 gentoo
sources and the following happened:

I  had speakout module built in and soft and dectalk express as
modules.  Now the first time I booted, I let it talk without pressing
any keys and it eventually hung somewhere, i.e. lost speech and the
system was dead or crashed.  Then I rebooted and for quite a while --
unlike my present kernel which is 2.6.24-gentoo-r5 and a speakup  git
of about 2 month ago -- I could get no keyboard access for some time,
although it did eventually appear.  Then the system came up normally,
except that I had an app which could not initialize a modem
successfully for some reason, so I went back to the former kernel and
speakup.  The app is called bbbs which I use to control modem events.
I suppose I could use cron, but this is much more convenient.

Any thoughts?

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Re: experience with speakup git of today tusing 2.6.25-gentoo-r5

[William Hubbs]

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On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 06:52:59PM -0400, John covici wrote:
> OK, so I tried the latest speakup git with kernel 2.6.25 gentoo
> sources and the following happened:
> 
> I  had speakout module built in and soft and dectalk express as
> modules.  Now the first time I booted, I let it talk without pressing
> any keys and it eventually hung somewhere, i.e. lost speech and the
> system was dead or crashed.

Are you sure it was dead or crashed, or did you just lose speech?  The
reason I ask is you might have come across the  issue that happens when
we time out too many times waiting for the synth to tell us it can
receive more data -- after it times out so many times we  assume that
someone has turned off the synth and put it in an unavailable status.

> Then I rebooted and for quite a while --
> unlike my present kernel which is 2.6.24-gentoo-r5 and a speakup  git
> of about 2 month ago -- I could get no keyboard access for some time,
> although it did eventually appear.  Then the system came up normally,
> except that I had an app which could not initialize a modem
> successfully for some reason, so I went back to the former kernel and
> speakup.  The app is called bbbs which I use to control modem events.
> I suppose I could use cron, but this is much more convenient.
 
The modem issue sounds like it might be the "floating serial ports" issue
reported in Bugs.txt.

William

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Re: experience with speakup git of today tusing 2.6.25-gentoo-r5

[John covici]

I am pretty sure the system was dead as I have brltty starting during
the boot sequence and it never started.  The modem issue is more
complicated as I was trying to use ttyS0 and kermit worked but bbbs
did not, but maybe its related.

on Sunday 06/29/2008 William Hubbs(w.d.hubbs@gmail.com) wrote
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 > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 06:52:59PM -0400, John covici wrote:
 > > OK, so I tried the latest speakup git with kernel 2.6.25 gentoo
 > > sources and the following happened:
 > > 
 > > I  had speakout module built in and soft and dectalk express as
 > > modules.  Now the first time I booted, I let it talk without pressing
 > > any keys and it eventually hung somewhere, i.e. lost speech and the
 > > system was dead or crashed.
 > 
 > Are you sure it was dead or crashed, or did you just lose speech?  The
 > reason I ask is you might have come across the  issue that happens when
 > we time out too many times waiting for the synth to tell us it can
 > receive more data -- after it times out so many times we  assume that
 > someone has turned off the synth and put it in an unavailable status.
 > 
 > > Then I rebooted and for quite a while --
 > > unlike my present kernel which is 2.6.24-gentoo-r5 and a speakup  git
 > > of about 2 month ago -- I could get no keyboard access for some time,
 > > although it did eventually appear.  Then the system came up normally,
 > > except that I had an app which could not initialize a modem
 > > successfully for some reason, so I went back to the former kernel and
 > > speakup.  The app is called bbbs which I use to control modem events.
 > > I suppose I could use cron, but this is much more convenient.
 >  
 > The modem issue sounds like it might be the "floating serial ports" issue
 > reported in Bugs.txt.
 > 
 > William
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Re: experience with speakup git of today tusing 2.6.25-gentoo-r5

[John covici]

I use built-in speakout as my main synthesizer.

on Monday 06/30/2008 Samuel Thibault(samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org) wrote
 > John covici, le Sun 29 Jun 2008 18:52:59 -0400, a écrit :
 > > OK, so I tried the latest speakup git with kernel 2.6.25 gentoo
 > > sources and the following happened:
 > > 
 > > I  had speakout module built in and soft and dectalk express as
 > > modules.  Now the first time I booted, I let it talk without pressing
 > > any keys and it eventually hung somewhere, i.e. lost speech and the
 > > system was dead or crashed.  Then I rebooted and for quite a while --
 > > unlike my present kernel which is 2.6.24-gentoo-r5 and a speakup  git
 > > of about 2 month ago -- I could get no keyboard access for some time,
 > > although it did eventually appear.  Then the system came up normally,
 > > except that I had an app which could not initialize a modem
 > > successfully for some reason, so I went back to the former kernel and
 > > speakup.  The app is called bbbs which I use to control modem events.
 > > I suppose I could use cron, but this is much more convenient.
 > > 
 > > Any thoughts?
 > 
 > Was all of this with the dectalk express, or the soft, or both?  It's
 > important to know, so as to track down the issues.
 > 
 > Samuel

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Re: experience with speakup git of today tusing 2.6.25-gentoo-r5

[luke]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008, William Hubbs wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 06:52:59PM -0400, John covici wrote:
> > OK, so I tried the latest speakup git with kernel 2.6.25 gentoo
> > sources and the following happened:
> > 
> > I  had speakout module built in and soft and dectalk express as
> > modules.  Now the first time I booted, I let it talk without pressing
> > any keys and it eventually hung somewhere, i.e. lost speech and the
> > system was dead or crashed.
> 
> Are you sure it was dead or crashed, or did you just lose speech?  The
> reason I ask is you might have come across the  issue that happens when
> we time out too many times waiting for the synth to tell us it can
> receive more data -- after it times out so many times we  assume that
> someone has turned off the synth and put it in an unavailable status.

Is that rectified by repeatedly pressing review keys until the speech 
suddenly returns?  (five or six quick hits of a read current character key 
usually brings it back for me)
Or is what I experience a different issue?

I have never run into this with software speech, only with the DEC 
Express, so I'm guessing it is the same issue.

Luke

Re: experience with speakup git of today tusing 2.6.25-gentoo-r5

[John covici]

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Re: experience with speakup git of today tusing 2.6.25-gentoo-r5

[William Hubbs]

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On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 09:13:29PM -0400, luke wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008, William Hubbs wrote:
> > Are you sure it was dead or crashed, or did you just lose speech?  The
> > reason I ask is you might have come across the  issue that happens when
> > we time out too many times waiting for the synth to tell us it can
> > receive more data -- after it times out so many times we  assume that
> > someone has turned off the synth and put it in an unavailable status.
> 
> Is that rectified by repeatedly pressing review keys until the speech 
> suddenly returns?  (five or six quick hits of a read current character key 
> usually brings it back for me)
> Or is what I experience a different issue?
 
I just looked at the code for this again, and it is rectified
by pressing printscreen.  This should turn speakup back on.

Thanks,

William

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Re: experience with speakup git of today tusing 2.6.25-gentoo-r5

[luke]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008, John covici wrote:

> I am pretty sure the system was dead as I have brltty starting during
> the boot sequence and it never started.  The modem issue is more
> complicated as I was trying to use ttyS0 and kermit worked but bbbs
> did not, but maybe its related.

Maybe you should try it again, and hit several review keys once it hangs.  
Alternatively, hit the shutup key (numpad enter) as soon as it starts 
talking, wait a while, and then try to read something.

Maybe the fact that brltty doesn't show anything is unrelated--you are 
changing kernel versions, after all.

Just a thought.

Luke