Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Cheryl Homiak]

I am running vmware fusion on my Intel mac and have a Windows Xp virtual machine running. I had the Windows xp cd and was thus able to install it without sighted help.

I would also like to run a linux virtual machine, preferably debian. when I searched the virtual appliance marketplace at http://vam.vmware.com 
I found lots of possible debian and also ubuntu candidates, but had no way of being sure which ones would include brltty or speakup or at least espeak. I realize I might be able to install these programs once I have the virtual machine up and running, but I would need at least something that would give me sound at the command line so I would have some way of verifying that the machine is indeed up and running. I'd also need to be sure that I indeed could access a console rather than the system just being gui, though I'm not sure whether they all have console ability or not. I don't mind having to do alt-ctrl-f1 to get a console if the console is actually there, but then I'd have to be able to run espeak or something from the command line that would give sound so I could know I had the machine running and was in a console. I'm not wanting to run orca; just want text console. Of course, on the mac, I do have access to Terminal and can use Darwinports and/or fink there, but would still like to have a debian installation in virtual machine form.

Can anybody tell me whether there's a virtual appliance I can use and direct me to it?

Tia.



Cheryl

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there will your heart be also."

Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Kerry Hoath]

Actually vmware usually stores the dhcp lease database in a text file that 
is how I find the ip address of machines under Windows.
I have had trouble with alsa timing and festival in a virtual machine; never 
tracked it down.
Reading the ip address out of the dhcp database and ssh into the vm from mac 
terminal would get you set up; can provide an image like this for Debian 
etch although it does not have espeak or brltty etc.
Not sure how you would stop macos from fighting with vmware for the braille 
device.
Regards, Kerry.

Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Cheryl Homiak]

I don't have a problem between vmware and macosx. There are menu buttons in 
vmware when I start the virtual machine, at least in windows, for 
connecting/disconnecting various drivers. I have one braillelite that I 
allow to connect when I access windows an another that stays disconnected so 
I can use the terminal. I should then be able to install espeak and/or 
brltty by the terminal. But I am still a little confused about how I access 
the dhcp database; do you mean one on the macos end?

Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Kerry Hoath]

Yep have a poke around in your home directory for vmware stuff with 
preferences; i'll take a look on the weekend on my Mac at vmware fusion if I 
get a chance see if I can find it.
Regards, Kerry.

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From: "Cheryl Homiak" <chomiak7737@att.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian


>I don't have a problem between vmware and macosx. There are menu buttons in
> vmware when I start the virtual machine, at least in windows, for
> connecting/disconnecting various drivers. I have one braillelite that I
> allow to connect when I access windows an another that stays disconnected 
> so
> I can use the terminal. I should then be able to install espeak and/or
> brltty by the terminal. But I am still a little confused about how I 
> access
> the dhcp database; do you mean one on the macos end?
>
>
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Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Chris Norman]

On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 01:40 -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> I don't have a problem between vmware and macosx. There are menu buttons in 
> vmware when I start the virtual machine, at least in windows, for 
> connecting/disconnecting various drivers. I have one braillelite that I 
> allow to connect when I access windows an another that stays disconnected so 
> I can use the terminal. I should then be able to install espeak and/or 
> brltty by the terminal. But I am still a little confused about how I access 
> the dhcp database; do you mean one on the macos end?

I have my machines set up so they will use NAT, this means that my
physical machine has the address 192.168.0.130, and the virtual one has
192.168.128.129.

The problem I had for a while was that when looking for a list of
services, I saw a DHCP client, and a DHCP server, and I set the server
one to manual start, reckoning that if it was anything to do with
VMWare, then it would start when needed. I was wrong, something to keep
in mind, if you're as stupid as I am, and try and fix stuff before it's
even broken.

HTH.
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Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Cheryl Homiak]

Only I wonder: since i'm running wireless with an airport extreme, will the 
linux installation show an ip address?

Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Kerry Hoath]

Ip addresses are handed out by vmware itself if the Linux virtual machine is 
told to use a Natted address.
This allocates an address local to the Mac and the Mac is responsible for 
the first layer of network address translation.
The Airport extreme is responsible for the second layer.
Regards, Kerry.

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From: "Cheryl Homiak" <chomiak7737@att.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian


> Only I wonder: since i'm running wireless with an airport extreme, will 
> the
> linux installation show an ip address?
>
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Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Chris Norman]

On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 00:28 -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> I am running vmware fusion on my Intel mac and have a Windows Xp virtual machine running. I had the Windows xp cd and was thus able to install it without sighted help.
> 
> I would also like to run a linux virtual machine, preferably debian. when I searched the virtual appliance marketplace at http://vam.vmware.com 
> I found lots of possible debian and also ubuntu candidates, but had no way of being sure which ones would include brltty or speakup or at least espeak. I realize I might be able to install these programs once I have the virtual machine up and running, but I would need at least something that would give me sound at the command line so I would have some way of verifying that the machine is indeed up and running. I'd also need to be sure that I indeed could access a console rather than the system just being gui, though I'm not sure whether they all have console ability or not. I don't mind having to do alt-ctrl-f1 to get a console if the console is actually there, but then I'd have to be able to run espeak or something from the command line that would give sound so I could know I had the machine running and was in a console. I'm not wanting to run orca; just want text console. Of course, on the mac, I do have access to Terminal and can use Darwinports and/or fink there, but would still like to have a debian installation in virtual machine form.

I have just checked my apt sources on Ubuntu, ans there is now a
kernel-patch-speakup package.

If you were to install Ubuntu, yes it starts off as GUI, but you could
install speakup, and get it all working from gnome-terminal, then you
could strip out all the graphical packages if you wanted, or you could
just change the run level in /etc/inittab.

Brltty comes shipped as it happens, though I'm not using it with VMWare.

Very nice package though, vmware.

HTH.

ubuntu and speakup

[Frank Carmickle]

On Thu, Feb 07, Chris Norman wrote:
> I have just checked my apt sources on Ubuntu, ans there is now a
> kernel-patch-speakup package.

Gutsy, hardy or what?  I just changed my sources.list to point at hardy.  It was previously on feisty.  I don't see speakup patches or speakup patched kernels anywhere.

--Frank

Re: ubuntu and speakup

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 06:36:44AM EST, Frank Carmickle wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 07, Chris Norman wrote:
> > I have just checked my apt sources on Ubuntu, ans there is now a
> > kernel-patch-speakup package.
> 
> Gutsy, hardy or what?  I just changed my sources.list to point at hardy.  It was previously on feisty.  I don't see speakup patches or speakup patched kernels anywhere.

Any package called kernel-patch-speakup, either in Ubuntu, or Debian, is way too old to be used on today's kernels.
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Re: ubuntu and speakup

[Chris Norman]

I'm using 7.10, and I haven't checked the package to be fair, as in I
haven't installed it to check, but I'm sure if it's there it'll be good.

HTH.


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> On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 06:36:44AM EST, Frank Carmickle wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 07, Chris Norman wrote:
> > > I have just checked my apt sources on Ubuntu, ans there is now a
> > > kernel-patch-speakup package.
> > 
> > Gutsy, hardy or what?  I just changed my sources.list to point at hardy.  It was previously on feisty.  I don't see speakup patches or speakup patched kernels anywhere.
> 
> Any package called kernel-patch-speakup, either in Ubuntu, or Debian, is way too old to be used on today's kernels.
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RE: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Don Raikes]

Cheryl,

I would be interested in knowing how you got xp installed into a virtual machine.
I am running windows xp pro, and have vmware server installed, but need  a copy of windows 2007 and vista for testing purposes, but have not been successful in getting them installed into virtual machines without requiring sighted help.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:28 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian
> 
> 
> I am running vmware fusion on my Intel mac and have a Windows 
> Xp virtual machine running. I had the Windows xp cd and was 
> thus able to install it without sighted help.
> 
> I would also like to run a linux virtual machine, preferably 
> debian. when I searched the virtual appliance marketplace at 
http://vam.vmware.com
I found lots of possible debian and also ubuntu candidates, but had no way of being sure which ones would include brltty or speakup or at least espeak. I realize I might be able to install these programs once I have the virtual machine up and running, but I would need at least something that would give me sound at the command line so I would have some way of verifying that the machine is indeed up and running. I'd also need to be sure that I indeed could access a console rather than the system just being gui, though I'm not sure whether they all have console ability or not. I don't mind having to do alt-ctrl-f1 to get a console if the console is actually there, but then I'd have to be able to run espeak or something from the command line that would give sound so I could know I had the machine running and was in a console. I'm not wanting to run orca; just want text console. Of course, on the mac, I do have access to Terminal and can use Darwinports and/or fink there, but wou!
 ld still like to have a debian installation in virtual machine form.

Can anybody tell me whether there's a virtual appliance I can use and direct me to it?

Tia.



Cheryl

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there will your heart be also."
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Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Tyler Spivey]

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I thought I would chime in since I just finished unattended installs of
xp and vista about 6 times. With XP, there is a really handy guide at:
http://unattended.msfn.org
Which walks you through the entire process. For Vista, there is the
windows AIK (Automated installation kit), which is an enormous 900 meg+
download that you must get and install in order to create one
comparitively small (5k or so) xml file that can be put on a flash disk
where vista's setup program can pick it up. One trick that I've learned,
and will share with anyone reading this thread, is that an OCR package
can recognize some of the text on a screenshot taken by VMware. I've
gotten the best results by running the image through "convert -resize
1440", where convert is from the imagemagick package. This is useful if
you get stuck somewhere along the way, but YMMV.
If you need any help, feel free to email me offlist and I'll see what I
can do.
- - Tyler

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 09:05:49AM -0700, Don Raikes wrote:
> Cheryl,
> 
> I would be interested in knowing how you got xp installed into a virtual machine.
> I am running windows xp pro, and have vmware server installed, but need  a copy of windows 2007 and vista for testing purposes, but have not been successful in getting them installed into virtual machines without requiring sighted help.
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Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Alex Snow]

While we're on the topic of unattended installs...has anyone 
successfully installed server 2003?  I've tried a bunch of times, but 
no matter what I do I can't get any audio out of it...aparently the 
audio service is disabled/not started by default...anyone have a trick 
to getting it going?
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 01:10:43AM -0800, Tyler 
Spivey wrote:
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> I thought I would chime in since I just finished unattended installs of
> xp and vista about 6 times. With XP, there is a really handy guide at:
> http://unattended.msfn.org
> Which walks you through the entire process. For Vista, there is the
> windows AIK (Automated installation kit), which is an enormous 900 meg+
> download that you must get and install in order to create one
> comparitively small (5k or so) xml file that can be put on a flash disk
> where vista's setup program can pick it up. One trick that I've learned,
> and will share with anyone reading this thread, is that an OCR package
> can recognize some of the text on a screenshot taken by VMware. I've
> gotten the best results by running the image through "convert -resize
> 1440", where convert is from the imagemagick package. This is useful if
> you get stuck somewhere along the way, but YMMV.
> If you need any help, feel free to email me offlist and I'll see what I
> can do.
> - - Tyler
> 
> On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 09:05:49AM -0700, Don Raikes wrote:
> > Cheryl,
> > 
> > I would be interested in knowing how you got xp installed into a virtual machine.
> > I am running windows xp pro, and have vmware server installed, but need  a copy of windows 2007 and vista for testing purposes, but have not been successful in getting them installed into virtual machines without requiring sighted help.
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Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Cheryl Homiak]

Well, at least with vmware fusion on the Mac, if you have a legal xp cd, 
there isn't much of a walkthrough needed. There are some preliminary things 
I think, but basically you pop in your cd and enter your product key and sit 
back and watch vmware fusion do the work. Of course it uses default settings 
so you want to tweak your system afterwards.

Re: Accessible virtual machine: preferably debian

[Gaijin]

On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 01:10:43AM -0800, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> With XP, there is a really handy guide at:
> http://unattended.msfn.org

	Thank you for the URL.  I've been wanting to re-install Win XP
ever since I tried installing the Win-Eyes demo and messed up any chance
of ever installing the JAWS demo again on my own.  You're a life saver!
Thank you again.

			Michael