OT: Trouble installing Ubuntu on VmWare?

OT: Trouble installing Ubuntu on VmWare?

[Zachary Kline]

Hi,
    I got the urge to try out Ubuntu with Orca and possibly Speakup as well.  I downloaded the main desktop CD iso, booted the emulated PC from it, and got speech working.
    However, I have had trouble following the instructions for getting an installation started.  I go to the Gnome Terminal as instructed on the Orca page on installations of Ubuntu, sudo su to root, andquit Orca.
    From this point, starting up Orca again doesn't seem to yield speech.  I type:
orca --no-setup --disable main-window
again as instructed.  I then get the message about Orca starting up and switching to focus tracking mode.  However, this is all I get.  No speech after at all.  
    I can type 'ubiquity' as instructed, but am not sure if it comes up at all.
    What I'm asking, then, is if anybody here could give me instructions on how you got Ubuntu installed?
Thanks,
Zack.
PS: After it's installed, how would I use Speakup with it in text-mode?  

Re: Trouble installing Ubuntu on VmWare?

[Parham]

I remember hearing that when you get to that place, you should press alt+tab 
to change the focus to the installation window and then Orca will start 
talking again.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: OT: Trouble installing Ubuntu on VmWare?


> Hi,
>    I got the urge to try out Ubuntu with Orca and possibly Speakup as 
> well.  I downloaded the main desktop CD iso, booted the emulated PC from 
> it, and got speech working.
>    However, I have had trouble following the instructions for getting an 
> installation started.  I go to the Gnome Terminal as instructed on the 
> Orca page on installations of Ubuntu, sudo su to root, andquit Orca.
>    From this point, starting up Orca again doesn't seem to yield speech. 
> I type:
> orca --no-setup --disable main-window
> again as instructed.  I then get the message about Orca starting up and 
> switching to focus tracking mode.  However, this is all I get.  No speech 
> after at all.
>    I can type 'ubiquity' as instructed, but am not sure if it comes up at 
> all.
>    What I'm asking, then, is if anybody here could give me instructions on 
> how you got Ubuntu installed?
> Thanks,
> Zack.
> PS: After it's installed, how would I use Speakup with it in text-mode?
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: Trouble installing Ubuntu on VmWare?

[Zachary Kline]

Hiya,
    Even alt+tab doesn't seem to work.  I still don't have speech.  This is 
decidedly odd--I highly doubt VmWare is to blame.  I just wonder how 
accurate the instructions I read are.
Thanks,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Parham" <parham16@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble installing Ubuntu on VmWare?


>I remember hearing that when you get to that place, you should press 
>alt+tab
> to change the focus to the installation window and then Orca will start
> talking again.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Zachary Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:20 PM
> Subject: OT: Trouble installing Ubuntu on VmWare?
>
>
>> Hi,
>>    I got the urge to try out Ubuntu with Orca and possibly Speakup as
>> well.  I downloaded the main desktop CD iso, booted the emulated PC from
>> it, and got speech working.
>>    However, I have had trouble following the instructions for getting an
>> installation started.  I go to the Gnome Terminal as instructed on the
>> Orca page on installations of Ubuntu, sudo su to root, andquit Orca.
>>    From this point, starting up Orca again doesn't seem to yield speech.
>> I type:
>> orca --no-setup --disable main-window
>> again as instructed.  I then get the message about Orca starting up and
>> switching to focus tracking mode.  However, this is all I get.  No speech
>> after at all.
>>    I can type 'ubiquity' as instructed, but am not sure if it comes up at
>> all.
>>    What I'm asking, then, is if anybody here could give me instructions 
>> on
>> how you got Ubuntu installed?
>> Thanks,
>> Zack.
>> PS: After it's installed, how would I use Speakup with it in text-mode?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: OT: Trouble installing Ubuntu on VmWare?

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 09:50:01AM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
>     From this point, starting up Orca again doesn't seem to yield speech.  I type:
> orca --no-setup --disable main-window

If what you typed into your message is exactly what you typed at the
command-line, then the problem could be that you're not putting orca
into the background, like the instructions say to do, by using the &
symbol. So, the command you type should actually be:

orca --no-setup --disable main-windo &

> again as instructed.  I then get the message about Orca starting up and switching to focus tracking mode.  However, this is all I get.  No speech after at all.  

This is normal, from my experience at least.

>     I can type 'ubiquity' as instructed, but am not sure if it comes up at all.

Probably not, if orca is in the foreground, and has keyboard control,
instead of the xterm window.

FYI, I don't know how powerful your hardware is, and what your
experience will be like under vmware, but for me, the install was
somewhat slow and sluggish under virtualbox, but I was able to get
through it after about 3 tries. What gave me the most trouble was the
locale selection screen, because the system was very slow to respond
to key presses there, and ctrl+tab for some reason wouldn't move me to
the prev/next/cancel buttons on some of my attempts. I also found that
it took a while from the time I typed ubiquity, to the time that it
actually came up. In fact, on my first attempt, I was convinced that
the system froze while I was waiting for the first screen to come up
after starting the installer.

Greg


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Re: OT: Trouble installing Ubuntu on VmWare?

[Mírian Bruckschen]

Hi Gregory,

On 8/12/07, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> FYI, I don't know how powerful your hardware is, and what your
> experience will be like under vmware, but for me, the install was
> somewhat slow and sluggish under virtualbox, but I was able to get
> through it after about 3 tries. What gave me the most trouble was the
> locale selection screen, because the system was very slow to respond
> to key presses there, and ctrl+tab for some reason wouldn't move me to
> the prev/next/cancel buttons on some of my attempts. I also found that
> it took a while from the time I typed ubiquity, to the time that it
> actually came up. In fact, on my first attempt, I was convinced that
> the system froze while I was waiting for the first screen to come up
> after starting the installer.

Since I'm trying to do the same (installing Ubuntu under VirtualBox),
what is your hardware when getting these results? In my notebook
everything went fine (even install), but I'm going to do the same in
not-so-good machines, and I don't know if I will be able to make it
(due to memory, in special: 256mb, while my notebook has 1gb). And two
final questions: how much did you select for memory in VirtualBox for
Ubuntu? After the config effort, did Ubuntu+Orca run well using
VirtualBox?

Sorry if this is off-topic, and thanks for any tips!

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Mírian Bruckschen

Re: OT: Trouble installing Ubuntu on VmWare?

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 08:53:40PM -0300, M?rian Bruckschen wrote:
> Since I'm trying to do the same (installing Ubuntu under VirtualBox),
> what is your hardware when getting these results?

1.10GHz celeron, 512Mb of ram

> In my notebook
> everything went fine (even install), but I'm going to do the same in
> not-so-good machines, and I don't know if I will be able to make it
> (due to memory, in special: 256mb, while my notebook has 1gb). And two

I'd be very surprised if that worked, since I seem to recall that the
ubuntu livecd needs 256Mb minimum, not to mention ram to run your host
os, in addition to virtualbox itself.

> final questions: how much did you select for memory in VirtualBox for
> Ubuntu?

I don't recall for sure, but I believe I was able to give 283Mb of ram
to the guest, without having virtualbox pause the vm, due to low host
memory. I seem to recall I started at 384 for the guest, and went down
from there by trial and error, until virtualbox stopped complaining
that the vm was paused due to low host ram.

> After the config effort, did Ubuntu+Orca run well using
> VirtualBox?

Yes. The wait for apps to start was noticeable, and there was a slight
delay between hitting a key, and having it produce a response, and the
speech was a bit choppy at some points, but it was good enough for
playing with, for me at least. Also, once the install was done, I took
the guest ram down to 192Mb.

> Greg


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Re: OT: Trouble installing Ubuntu on VmWare?

[Mírian Bruckschen]

Hello Gregory,

On 8/12/07, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > In my notebook
> > everything went fine (even install), but I'm going to do the same in
> > not-so-good machines, and I don't know if I will be able to make it
> > (due to memory, in special: 256mb, while my notebook has 1gb). And two
>
> I'd be very surprised if that worked, since I seem to recall that the
> ubuntu livecd needs 256Mb minimum, not to mention ram to run your host
> os, in addition to virtualbox itself.

Just to give you some feedback on this matter: yes, it didn't work --
trying it with 128mb to the vm, 192mb or 256mb. In these two last
cases, "Windows could not allocate memory for this operation" (or some
message with this meaning), which was expected. Anyway, thanks for
preventing me.

Cheers,

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