help with hd problem.

help with hd problem.

[Littlefield, Tyler]

Hello list,
I just installed debian on my AMD.
When I took it to the penteum 3, it says:
waiting for root filesystem.
When I put it back in am, it boots perfectly.
I would like to install another hd, and get my stuff off of it, But, the problem there, is that when I do that, it just sits at compac, and doesn't move.
Any help would really be appriciated. I've got lots of work on those, and would like to keep moving with my projects.
Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
[My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
msn:
compgeek13@gmail.com
aim: st8amnd2005
skype: st8amnd127
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Re: help with hd problem.

[Cody Hurst]

you cannot mix hd installs with other machines because when you install
linux, it is compiled and molded to that particular system and no other
systems I have the same issue when I do it. Do a clean install on the
machine you want to run it on.

by the way, how did you do the install I'm interested, do you have an
external synth?

Cody
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 17:23 -0600, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> Hello list,
> I just installed debian on my AMD.
> When I took it to the penteum 3, it says:
> waiting for root filesystem.
> When I put it back in am, it boots perfectly.
> I would like to install another hd, and get my stuff off of it, But, the problem there, is that when I do that, it just sits at compac, and doesn't move.
> Any help would really be appriciated. I've got lots of work on those, and would like to keep moving with my projects.
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
> msn:
> compgeek13@gmail.com
> aim: st8amnd2005
> skype: st8amnd127
> vertigo head coder
> web: tysdomain.com
> _______________________________________________
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Re: help with hd problem.

[Littlefield, Tyler]

Sorry, but I don't think linux "molds" the kernel to the computer, unless 
your talking about grub.
I've done an install, and moved the harddrive around.
Also, this would kill the purpose of a USB key.
Anyway, the issue is on the comp I installed it on. (Not being able to add a 
second drive).
Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
[My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
msn:
compgeek13@gmail.com
aim: st8amnd2005
skype: st8amnd127
vertigo head coder
web: tysdomain.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35@verizon.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: help with hd problem.


> you cannot mix hd installs with other machines because when you install
> linux, it is compiled and molded to that particular system and no other
> systems I have the same issue when I do it. Do a clean install on the
> machine you want to run it on.
>
> by the way, how did you do the install I'm interested, do you have an
> external synth?
>
> Cody
> On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 17:23 -0600, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>> Hello list,
>> I just installed debian on my AMD.
>> When I took it to the penteum 3, it says:
>> waiting for root filesystem.
>> When I put it back in am, it boots perfectly.
>> I would like to install another hd, and get my stuff off of it, But, the 
>> problem there, is that when I do that, it just sits at compac, and 
>> doesn't move.
>> Any help would really be appriciated. I've got lots of work on those, and 
>> would like to keep moving with my projects.
>> Thanks,
>> ~~TheCreator~~
>> [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
>> msn:
>> compgeek13@gmail.com
>> aim: st8amnd2005
>> skype: st8amnd127
>> vertigo head coder
>> web: tysdomain.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: help with hd problem.

[Littlefield, Tyler]

You can also edit by hitting e, at grub prompt, and then editing grub.
But, It's already root hd(0, 0)
Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
[My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
msn:
compgeek13@gmail.com
aim: st8amnd2005
skype: st8amnd127
vertigo head coder
web: tysdomain.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: help with hd problem.


> Cody Hurst wrote:
> you cannot mix hd installs with other machines because when you install
> linux, it is compiled and molded to that particular system and no other
> systems I have the same issue when I do it. Do a clean install on the
> machine you want to run it on.
> 
> Say what? This is not true, I have done it dozens of times. I have in 
> fact set up machines as build machines for others. The only thing that
> is "molded" is the kernel. As said in recent thread, what you need is 
> a generic kernel, not pentium or amd specific. To be more clear, in 
> the kernel config, you want 386 processor:
> 
> Subarchitecture Type
> PC-compatible  (CONFIG_X86_PC)
> 
> Processor family 
> 386  (CONFIG_M386) 
> 
> A 386 kernel will boot on anything. You also want generic chipset
> stuff, not anything specific to the original hardware. The easiest way
> to achieve this is to get one of the already made generic kernels, 
> the ones that boot when you run an install. On slackware that is 
> called bare.i, it will boot on anything! Equivalents are available on 
> other distros. And repeating what I said before: if a kernel will 
> not boot on any system, boot with floppy or cd, load the kernel
> from that media but use the root= parameter to boot into the 
> root on the hard drive. This has never failed for me unless the
> drive is toast. You need to catch the boot: prompt and do 
> something like 
> 
> boot: bare.i root=/dev/hda1 noinitrd ro 
> 
> where bare.i is the name of your generic kernel. You should
> be able to find a generic kernel for debian. Once you have 
> booted from the CD or floppy, with the root= to your hard
> drive, you have a running system, build a kernel on the target
> and then update bootloader. It is definitely possible to move 
> drives from one machine to another. 
> 
>  -- Doug
> 
> 
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Re: help with hd problem.

[Doug Sutherland]

Cody Hurst wrote:
you cannot mix hd installs with other machines because when you install
linux, it is compiled and molded to that particular system and no other
systems I have the same issue when I do it. Do a clean install on the
machine you want to run it on.

Say what? This is not true, I have done it dozens of times. I have in 
fact set up machines as build machines for others. The only thing that
is "molded" is the kernel. As said in recent thread, what you need is 
a generic kernel, not pentium or amd specific. To be more clear, in 
the kernel config, you want 386 processor:

Subarchitecture Type
PC-compatible  (CONFIG_X86_PC)

Processor family 
386  (CONFIG_M386) 

A 386 kernel will boot on anything. You also want generic chipset
stuff, not anything specific to the original hardware. The easiest way
to achieve this is to get one of the already made generic kernels, 
the ones that boot when you run an install. On slackware that is 
called bare.i, it will boot on anything! Equivalents are available on 
other distros. And repeating what I said before: if a kernel will 
not boot on any system, boot with floppy or cd, load the kernel
from that media but use the root= parameter to boot into the 
root on the hard drive. This has never failed for me unless the
drive is toast. You need to catch the boot: prompt and do 
something like 

boot: bare.i root=/dev/hda1 noinitrd ro 

where bare.i is the name of your generic kernel. You should
be able to find a generic kernel for debian. Once you have 
booted from the CD or floppy, with the root= to your hard
drive, you have a running system, build a kernel on the target
and then update bootloader. It is definitely possible to move 
drives from one machine to another. 

  -- Doug

Re: help with hd problem.

[Gregory Nowak]

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I seem to recall your saying the p3 machine is a compaq. If that's so,
then it wouldn't at all surprise me that you're having issues, just because
your connecting another hd. My personal name for that brand is
comcrap, and I'm not the only one to feel this way. Check out:

http://www.compaqsucks.com

Yes, such a site really exists, and based on my personal experience
with machines of that brand, the content of that site isn't just
malicious propaganda.

I know this wasn't a concise answer to your problem, and one you
probably wouldn't have wanted to get if this is a compaq, but in
summary, if this is a compaq, I'm not at all surprised with the hd
problems you're having.

Greg


On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 08:34:12PM -0600, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> You can also edit by hitting e, at grub prompt, and then editing grub.
> But, It's already root hd(0, 0)
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
> msn:
> compgeek13@gmail.com
> aim: st8amnd2005
> skype: st8amnd127
> vertigo head coder
> web: tysdomain.com

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Re: help with hd problem.

[Littlefield, tyler]

it is, but that's what I'm using, unless your mailing me a new p3.
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Subject: Re: help with hd problem.


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> I seem to recall your saying the p3 machine is a compaq. If that's so,
> then it wouldn't at all surprise me that you're having issues, just 
> because
> your connecting another hd. My personal name for that brand is
> comcrap, and I'm not the only one to feel this way. Check out:
>
> http://www.compaqsucks.com
>
> Yes, such a site really exists, and based on my personal experience
> with machines of that brand, the content of that site isn't just
> malicious propaganda.
>
> I know this wasn't a concise answer to your problem, and one you
> probably wouldn't have wanted to get if this is a compaq, but in
> summary, if this is a compaq, I'm not at all surprised with the hd
> problems you're having.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 08:34:12PM -0600, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>> You can also edit by hitting e, at grub prompt, and then editing grub.
>> But, It's already root hd(0, 0)
>> Thanks,
>> ~~TheCreator~~
>> [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
>> msn:
>> compgeek13@gmail.com
>> aim: st8amnd2005
>> skype: st8amnd127
>> vertigo head coder
>> web: tysdomain.com
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Re: help with hd problem.

[Gregory Nowak]

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Well then, get used to the idea that it may not be possible for you to
use that drive, or for that matter any other drive that didn't come
with that machine in that machine.

Greg


On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 08:41:18PM -0700, Littlefield, tyler wrote:
> it is, but that's what I'm using, unless your mailing me a new p3.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: help with hd problem.
> 
> 
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> > I seem to recall your saying the p3 machine is a compaq. If that's so,
> > then it wouldn't at all surprise me that you're having issues, just 
> > because
> > your connecting another hd. My personal name for that brand is
> > comcrap, and I'm not the only one to feel this way. Check out:
> >
> > http://www.compaqsucks.com
> >
> > Yes, such a site really exists, and based on my personal experience
> > with machines of that brand, the content of that site isn't just
> > malicious propaganda.
> >
> > I know this wasn't a concise answer to your problem, and one you
> > probably wouldn't have wanted to get if this is a compaq, but in
> > summary, if this is a compaq, I'm not at all surprised with the hd
> > problems you're having.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 08:34:12PM -0600, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> >> You can also edit by hitting e, at grub prompt, and then editing grub.
> >> But, It's already root hd(0, 0)
> >> Thanks,
> >> ~~TheCreator~~
> >> [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
> >> msn:
> >> compgeek13@gmail.com
> >> aim: st8amnd2005
> >> skype: st8amnd127
> >> vertigo head coder
> >> web: tysdomain.com
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Re[2]: help with hd problem.

[Farhan]

on 6/22/2007 at 0:04 Gregory Nowak said
> My personal name for that brand is
> comcrap, and I'm not the only one to feel this way. Check out:

> http://www.compaqsucks.com

> Yes, such a site really exists, and based on my personal experience
> with machines of that brand, the content of that site isn't just
> malicious propaganda.
I have an hp compaq nx6325 laptop, and it has no problems as of yet.
I do hate the compaq desktops though, and on a related linux note apparently the laptop has acpi problems and makes the fan mess up so the cpu getts up to 167 f. This is probably why I haven't even tryed putting any linux distro on it.

Re: help with hd problem.

[Littlefield, tyler]

thanks, for all the help.
I asked for how to fix the solution, not for some compac critic to complain 
about it.
This is what I have, but my offer is still open. Feel free to ship me a p3, 
that meets your standards.
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Subject: Re: help with hd problem.


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> Well then, get used to the idea that it may not be possible for you to
> use that drive, or for that matter any other drive that didn't come
> with that machine in that machine.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 08:41:18PM -0700, Littlefield, tyler wrote:
>> it is, but that's what I'm using, unless your mailing me a new p3.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: help with hd problem.
>>
>>
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>> > I seem to recall your saying the p3 machine is a compaq. If that's so,
>> > then it wouldn't at all surprise me that you're having issues, just
>> > because
>> > your connecting another hd. My personal name for that brand is
>> > comcrap, and I'm not the only one to feel this way. Check out:
>> >
>> > http://www.compaqsucks.com
>> >
>> > Yes, such a site really exists, and based on my personal experience
>> > with machines of that brand, the content of that site isn't just
>> > malicious propaganda.
>> >
>> > I know this wasn't a concise answer to your problem, and one you
>> > probably wouldn't have wanted to get if this is a compaq, but in
>> > summary, if this is a compaq, I'm not at all surprised with the hd
>> > problems you're having.
>> >
>> > Greg
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 08:34:12PM -0600, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>> >> You can also edit by hitting e, at grub prompt, and then editing grub.
>> >> But, It's already root hd(0, 0)
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> ~~TheCreator~~
>> >> [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
>> >> msn:
>> >> compgeek13@gmail.com
>> >> aim: st8amnd2005
>> >> skype: st8amnd127
>> >> vertigo head coder
>> >> web: tysdomain.com
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Re: help with hd problem.

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 12:07:26AM -0500, Farhan wrote:
> I have an hp compaq nx6325 laptop, and it has no problems as of yet.
> I do hate the compaq desktops though, and on a related linux note apparently the laptop has acpi problems and makes the fan mess up so the cpu getts up to 167 f. This is probably why I haven't even tryed putting any linux distro on it.

As far as I know, though I haven't had personal experience with them,
the hp/compaq machines made after the two merged, aren't of bad
quality. It's the pre-merge compaqs that are garbage. I don't even
know if your laptop
is from before the merge, or after.

Greg


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Re: help with hd problem.

[Alex Snow]

I'll agree that compaq desktops pretty much suck, but the workstation 
models I've had experience with (mainly deskpro 4000 series) have been 
pretty good, and their server machines are really nice imho.  Though 
there are some stupid design choices  in the desktop and workstation 
models that really irritate me, such as the hdd-based bios setup 
program.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 08:17:33PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> I seem to recall your saying the p3 machine is a compaq. If that's so,
> then it wouldn't at all surprise me that you're having issues, just because
> your connecting another hd. My personal name for that brand is
> comcrap, and I'm not the only one to feel this way. Check out:
> 
> http://www.compaqsucks.com
> 
> Yes, such a site really exists, and based on my personal experience
> with machines of that brand, the content of that site isn't just
> malicious propaganda.
> 
> I know this wasn't a concise answer to your problem, and one you
> probably wouldn't have wanted to get if this is a compaq, but in
> summary, if this is a compaq, I'm not at all surprised with the hd
> problems you're having.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 08:34:12PM -0600, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> > You can also edit by hitting e, at grub prompt, and then editing grub.
> > But, It's already root hd(0, 0)
> > Thanks,
> > ~~TheCreator~~
> > [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
> > msn:
> > compgeek13@gmail.com
> > aim: st8amnd2005
> > skype: st8amnd127
> > vertigo head coder
> > web: tysdomain.com
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Re: help with hd problem.

[Ralph W. Reid]

Do you change the jumper on the second hard drive to make it a slave
drive before you boot the system?  Could the files be copied via a
network connection from another computer where the drive containing
your projects can be successfully installed?

HTH, and have a great day.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 05:23:25PM -0600, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> Hello list,
> I just installed debian on my AMD.
> When I took it to the penteum 3, it says:
> waiting for root filesystem.
> When I put it back in am, it boots perfectly.
> I would like to install another hd, and get my stuff off of it, But, the problem there, is that when I do that, it just sits at compac, and doesn't move.
> Any help would really be appriciated. I've got lots of work on those, and would like to keep moving with my projects.
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
> msn:
> compgeek13@gmail.com
> aim: st8amnd2005
> skype: st8amnd127
> vertigo head coder
> web: tysdomain.com

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Re: help with hd problem.

[Littlefield, tyler]

I set it to slave, etc.
And see my future posts... or well. I've posted anyway.
I'm trying to figure out how to use an enclosure, to get the stuff from one 
system to another.
Thanks,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ralph W. Reid" <rreid@sunset.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: help with hd problem.


> Do you change the jumper on the second hard drive to make it a slave
> drive before you boot the system?  Could the files be copied via a
> network connection from another computer where the drive containing
> your projects can be successfully installed?
>
> HTH, and have a great day.
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 05:23:25PM -0600, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>> Hello list,
>> I just installed debian on my AMD.
>> When I took it to the penteum 3, it says:
>> waiting for root filesystem.
>> When I put it back in am, it boots perfectly.
>> I would like to install another hd, and get my stuff off of it, But, the 
>> problem there, is that when I do that, it just sits at compac, and 
>> doesn't move.
>> Any help would really be appriciated. I've got lots of work on those, and 
>> would like to keep moving with my projects.
>> Thanks,
>> ~~TheCreator~~
>> [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
>> msn:
>> compgeek13@gmail.com
>> aim: st8amnd2005
>> skype: st8amnd127
>> vertigo head coder
>> web: tysdomain.com
>
> -- 
> Ralph.  N6BNO.  Wisdom comes from central processing, not from I/O.
> rreid@sunset.net  http://personalweb.sunset.net/~rreid
> ...passing through The City of Internet at the speed of light...
> 1 = x^0
>
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