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* GRML swspeak?
@  Zachary Kline
   ` Hermann
   ` Gregory Nowak
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Zachary Kline @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Hiya,
    I've downloaded GRML 1.0, and burned it successfully to a CD.  The ISO image checksums match up alright, but for some reason the grml swspeak option doesn't seem to work.
Has this feature changed in 1.0?  Is it a different keyword?
Thanks,
Zack.

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* Re: GRML swspeak?
   GRML swspeak? Zachary Kline
@  ` Hermann
     ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton
   ` Gregory Nowak
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Hermann @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Hi,
swspeak does work excellent under grml 1.0.
Did you type the word when the CD stops the first time? If not, it is not
available. Which synth do you use? If you want a synth other then flite,
which is standard on the CD, you must set it up manually.
Note: The grml team included espeak into the package, and in English it
works well, although there are some problems with other languages (I
informed the team).
Hermann




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* Re: GRML swspeak?
   ` Hermann
@    ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton
       ` Zachary Kline
       ` spelling was " C.M. Brannon
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Albert E. Sten-Clanton @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

I found that I had to wait several seconds after typing "grml swspeak" to press enter; otherwise, I got no speech.  I also found that the speech went character by boring character as it read text that came onto the screen:  I had to use speakup's reading commands to get the reading right.

Can you tell me where the info is on setting up another synth manually?  I'd like to try something other than flite.

Thanks!

Al
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hermann" <steppenwolf2@onlinehome.de>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: GRML swspeak?


> Hi,
> swspeak does work excellent under grml 1.0.
> Did you type the word when the CD stops the first time? If not, it is not
> available. Which synth do you use? If you want a synth other then flite,
> which is standard on the CD, you must set it up manually.
> Note: The grml team included espeak into the package, and in English it
> works well, although there are some problems with other languages (I
> informed the team).
> Hermann
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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* Re: GRML swspeak?
     ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton
@      ` Zachary Kline
       ` spelling was " C.M. Brannon
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Zachary Kline @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Hiya,
    Same goes for me.  I'd specifically like to use Espeak.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert E. Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: GRML swspeak?


>I found that I had to wait several seconds after typing "grml swspeak" to 
>press enter; otherwise, I got no speech.  I also found that the speech went 
>character by boring character as it read text that came onto the screen:  I 
>had to use speakup's reading commands to get the reading right.
>
> Can you tell me where the info is on setting up another synth manually? 
> I'd like to try something other than flite.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Al
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hermann" <steppenwolf2@onlinehome.de>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: GRML swspeak?
>
>
>> Hi,
>> swspeak does work excellent under grml 1.0.
>> Did you type the word when the CD stops the first time? If not, it is not
>> available. Which synth do you use? If you want a synth other then flite,
>> which is standard on the CD, you must set it up manually.
>> Note: The grml team included espeak into the package, and in English it
>> works well, although there are some problems with other languages (I
>> informed the team).
>> Hermann
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
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>> 12:31 PM
>>
>>
>
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* spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
     ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton
       ` Zachary Kline
@      ` C.M. Brannon
         ` Michael Prokop
         ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: C.M. Brannon @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

"Albert E. Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> writes:

> that the speech went character by boring character as it read text
> that came onto the screen: I had to use speakup's reading commands
> to get the reading right.

There's a very easy fix for this:
renice 3 `ps -e |grep speechd-up |head -1 |cut -d' ' -f1`
sets the niceness level of speechd-up to 3, and the spelling issue
goes away.  No need to compile your kernel without preemption of the
big kernel lock, etc.
It works for me, at any rate.  YMMV.

PS. I think there are issues with speechd-up, but I can't quite put my
finger on them.  speechd-up seems to be overly greedy when reading and
speaking text from /dev/softsynth.

-- Chris



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* Re: GRML swspeak?
   GRML swspeak? Zachary Kline
   ` Hermann
@  ` Gregory Nowak
     ` Jeremy
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

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It's possible that grml didn't detect your sound card, or if you have
multiple sound cards in your system, it's using a card other than the
one your speakers are hooked up to. While software speech on a livecd
is pretty good, it still isn't perfect.

Greg



On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 09:18:31AM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hiya,
>     I've downloaded GRML 1.0, and burned it successfully to a CD.  The ISO image checksums match up alright, but for some reason the grml swspeak option doesn't seem to work.
> Has this feature changed in 1.0?  Is it a different keyword?
> Thanks,
> Zack.
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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* Re: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
       ` spelling was " C.M. Brannon
@        ` Michael Prokop
           ` C.M. Brannon
         ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Michael Prokop @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

* C.M. Brannon <cmbrannon@cox.net> wrote:
> "Albert E. Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> writes:

>> that the speech went character by boring character as it read text
>> that came onto the screen: I had to use speakup's reading commands
>> to get the reading right.

> There's a very easy fix for this:
> renice 3 `ps -e |grep speechd-up |head -1 |cut -d' ' -f1`
[...]

Are we talking about the same grml version?
grml 1.0 automatically does a 'nice -n -20 speechd-up' when invoking
swspeak. Does not that fix your issue?

-mika-
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* Re: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
       ` spelling was " C.M. Brannon
         ` Michael Prokop
@        ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton
           ` Nick Gawronski
           ` C.M. Brannon
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Albert E. Sten-Clanton @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Greetings!

I booted up with the grml 1.0 Cd, using the "grml swspeak" command.  After that and running the swspeak command again, I tried

renice 3 `ps -e |grep speechd-up |head -1 |cut -d' ' -f1`

as you suggested.  I got a short error/usage message.  I then retried the command, after replacing each ` with ".  I got the message that the old priority of 0 was changed to 3.  I also tried -12.  There was no change in the way the software speech read.  Could I have missed something here?

Thanks!

Al
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C.M. Brannon" <cmbrannon@cox.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?


> "Albert E. Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> writes:
> 
> > that the speech went character by boring character as it read text
> > that came onto the screen: I had to use speakup's reading commands
> > to get the reading right.
> 
> There's a very easy fix for this:
> renice 3 `ps -e |grep speechd-up |head -1 |cut -d' ' -f1`
> sets the niceness level of speechd-up to 3, and the spelling issue
> goes away.  No need to compile your kernel without preemption of the
> big kernel lock, etc.
> It works for me, at any rate.  YMMV.
> 
> PS. I think there are issues with speechd-up, but I can't quite put my
> finger on them.  speechd-up seems to be overly greedy when reading and
> speaking text from /dev/softsynth.
> 
> -- Chris
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/820 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 12:31 PM
> 
>


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* Re: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
         ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton
@          ` Nick Gawronski
             ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton
             ` Gregory Nowak
           ` C.M. Brannon
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Nick Gawronski @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Hi, Using grml with swspeak is it required to use when booting grml
swspeak then after it boots running swspeak again to start speech?  Why
not just have speech start automatically when using the grml swspeak
option?  If I boot grml with no options then after booting at the prompt
run swspeak will speech start?On Sun, 27 May 2007, Albert E. Sten-Clanton
wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> I booted up with the grml 1.0 Cd, using the "grml swspeak" command.  After that and running the swspeak command again, I tried
>
> renice 3 `ps -e |grep speechd-up |head -1 |cut -d' ' -f1`
>
> as you suggested.  I got a short error/usage message.  I then retried the command, after replacing each ` with ".  I got the message that the old priority of 0 was changed to 3.  I also tried -12.  There was no change in the way the software speech read.  Could I have missed something here?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Al
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C.M. Brannon" <cmbrannon@cox.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 3:18 PM
> Subject: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
>
>
> > "Albert E. Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> writes:
> >
> > > that the speech went character by boring character as it read text
> > > that came onto the screen: I had to use speakup's reading commands
> > > to get the reading right.
> >
> > There's a very easy fix for this:
> > renice 3 `ps -e |grep speechd-up |head -1 |cut -d' ' -f1`
> > sets the niceness level of speechd-up to 3, and the spelling issue
> > goes away.  No need to compile your kernel without preemption of the
> > big kernel lock, etc.
> > It works for me, at any rate.  YMMV.
> >
> > PS. I think there are issues with speechd-up, but I can't quite put my
> > finger on them.  speechd-up seems to be overly greedy when reading and
> > speaking text from /dev/softsynth.
> >
> > -- Chris
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/820 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 12:31 PM
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>



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* Re: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
         ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton
           ` Nick Gawronski
@          ` C.M. Brannon
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: C.M. Brannon @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

"Albert E. Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> writes:

> Greetings!
>
> I booted up with the grml 1.0 Cd, using the "grml swspeak" command.
> After that and running the swspeak command again, I tried
>
> renice 3 `ps -e |grep speechd-up |head -1 |cut -d' ' -f1`
>
> as you suggested.  I got a short error/usage message.  I then
> retried the command, after replacing each ` with ".  I got the
> message that the old priority of 0 was changed to 3.  I also tried
> -12.  There was no change in the way the software speech read.
> Could I have missed something here?

That exact command line just worked over here.  Of course, I'm
running an HD installation of grml, but that shouldn't make any
difference.
The `ps -e ...` part of the command line finds the process ID of your
speechd-up process, and this becomes the second argument to renice.
Don't change ` to ", because this changes the semantics of
the command.  Text within backquotes is executed by the shell,
and the result is substituted back into the
command line.
For instance, 
echo Today is `date`
should print:
Today is Sun May 27 ...

Anyway, if that command didn't work for you, just find the process ID
of speechd-up and call renice manually.

HTH,
-- Chris



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* Re: GRML swspeak?
   ` Gregory Nowak
@    ` Jeremy
       ` Gregory Nowak
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Jeremy @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Hope this still goes with this subject. I tried running the newest 
grml earlier today, 1.0 in vmware and had a very odd thing happen. I 
did get speach, but, it was studdering really bad and had lowd pops 
at the start of every word so I could bearly understand anything it 
was saying. This happend two times, when I typed grml swspeak at the 
boot prompt, it took about 10 seconds, and I got some speach, but, I 
could not understand anything it said, and, then, after it finished 
booting, I typed swspeak as it says to do in the cheat codes for grml 
and I once again had speach. I could not understand this either. As I 
said, it has some very lowd hissing pops that almost completely cover 
the speach, so, very hard to understand anything. I also noticed that 
in the cheat code notes, it said something about a vmware code that I 
could use at the prompt, but, I did not understand how to use it. I 
have not had any problems getting any other distro to boot with 
speach, such as ubuntu using orca, orilux, debian using speakup and 
my doubletalk lt, etc. So, maybe I am just doing something wrong, or, 
it's something with grml itself? If someone can give me some idea of 
what to do to fix it, or, point me to something to read, I would be greatful.



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* Re: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
           ` Nick Gawronski
@            ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton
             ` Gregory Nowak
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Albert E. Sten-Clanton @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Yes, you have to type

grml swspeak

a few seconds after the CD starts spinning for the boot-up, and type

swspeak

after booting is finished.  I don't know the reason it works that way.

Al
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Gawronski" <nick@nickgawronski.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?


> Hi, Using grml with swspeak is it required to use when booting grml
> swspeak then after it boots running swspeak again to start speech?  Why
> not just have speech start automatically when using the grml swspeak
> option?  If I boot grml with no options then after booting at the prompt
> run swspeak will speech start?On Sun, 27 May 2007, Albert E. Sten-Clanton
> wrote:
> 
> > Greetings!
> >
> > I booted up with the grml 1.0 Cd, using the "grml swspeak" command.  After that and running the swspeak command again, I tried
> >
> > renice 3 `ps -e |grep speechd-up |head -1 |cut -d' ' -f1`
> >
> > as you suggested.  I got a short error/usage message.  I then retried the command, after replacing each ` with ".  I got the message that the old priority of 0 was changed to 3.  I also tried -12.  There was no change in the way the software speech read.  Could I have missed something here?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Al
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "C.M. Brannon" <cmbrannon@cox.net>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 3:18 PM
> > Subject: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
> >
> >
> > > "Albert E. Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> writes:
> > >
> > > > that the speech went character by boring character as it read text
> > > > that came onto the screen: I had to use speakup's reading commands
> > > > to get the reading right.
> > >
> > > There's a very easy fix for this:
> > > renice 3 `ps -e |grep speechd-up |head -1 |cut -d' ' -f1`
> > > sets the niceness level of speechd-up to 3, and the spelling issue
> > > goes away.  No need to compile your kernel without preemption of the
> > > big kernel lock, etc.
> > > It works for me, at any rate.  YMMV.
> > >
> > > PS. I think there are issues with speechd-up, but I can't quite put my
> > > finger on them.  speechd-up seems to be overly greedy when reading and
> > > speaking text from /dev/softsynth.
> > >
> > > -- Chris
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
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> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/820 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 12:31 PM
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Checked by AVG Free Edition. 
> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/820 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 12:31 PM
> 
>


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* Re: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
           ` Nick Gawronski
             ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton
@            ` Gregory Nowak
               ` Nick Gawronski
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

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On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 08:25:59PM -0500, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> If I boot grml with no options then after booting at the prompt
> run swspeak will speech start?

Well, why don't you try it,  and let all of us know?

Greg


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* Re: GRML swspeak?
     ` Jeremy
@      ` Gregory Nowak
         ` Jeremy
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

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I'm guessing this could be a combination of the emulated sound
hardware in vmware, and of festival itself. If you boot the cd on your
physical box, do you still have this issue? Can you understand what is
being said?

Greg


On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 07:41:04PM -0600, Jeremy wrote:
> Hope this still goes with this subject. I tried running the newest 
> grml earlier today, 1.0 in vmware and had a very odd thing happen. I 
> did get speach, but, it was studdering really bad and had lowd pops 
> at the start of every word so I could bearly understand anything it 
> was saying. This happend two times, when I typed grml swspeak at the 
> boot prompt, it took about 10 seconds, and I got some speach, but, I 
> could not understand anything it said, and, then, after it finished 
> booting, I typed swspeak as it says to do in the cheat codes for grml 
> and I once again had speach. I could not understand this either. As I 
> said, it has some very lowd hissing pops that almost completely cover 
> the speach, so, very hard to understand anything. I also noticed that 
> in the cheat code notes, it said something about a vmware code that I 
> could use at the prompt, but, I did not understand how to use it. I 
> have not had any problems getting any other distro to boot with 
> speach, such as ubuntu using orca, orilux, debian using speakup and 
> my doubletalk lt, etc. So, maybe I am just doing something wrong, or, 
> it's something with grml itself? If someone can give me some idea of 
> what to do to fix it, or, point me to something to read, I would be greatful.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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* Re: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
             ` Gregory Nowak
@              ` Nick Gawronski
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Nick Gawronski @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Hi, I would if I had a system with a supported sound card.  I am using an 
emu 1820 on my desktop and my laptop has a sigmatell audio chip that is not 
either supported in the grml kernel or does not work with linux at all.  is 
it possible to build your own live CD from a running system?
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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?


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>> If I boot grml with no options then after booting at the prompt
>> run swspeak will speech start?
>
> Well, why don't you try it,  and let all of us know?
>
> Greg
>
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* Re: GRML swspeak?
       ` Gregory Nowak
@        ` Jeremy
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Jeremy @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

To be quite honest, I haven't tried yet. I will do that and get back 
to the list on what happens. Just wanted to see if anyone had any 
ideas of what was going on. Thanks for getting back.



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* Re: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
         ` Michael Prokop
@          ` C.M. Brannon
             ` Michael Prokop
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: C.M. Brannon @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org> writes:

> * C.M. Brannon <cmbrannon@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> There's a very easy fix for this:
>> renice 3 `ps -e |grep speechd-up |head -1 |cut -d' ' -f1`
> [...]
>
> Are we talking about the same grml version?
> grml 1.0 automatically does a 'nice -n -20 speechd-up' when invoking
> swspeak. Does not that fix your issue?

Hi Mika,
I'm using the latest and greatest, version 1.0.
I have better success when speechd-up has a positive (low)
priority, rather than a negative one.
I think this is because a low priority process makes fewer reads to
/dev/softsynth, so it is more likely to read words, rather than single
characters.  You can actually view this with a packet capture tool,
reading incoming messages on port 6560 (used by speech-dispatcher).
When speechd-up runs with priority <= 0, I see a speak message
generated and sent to speech-dispatcher for every character in a word,
but when it runs with priority > 0, it usually sends a speak message
to dispatcher containing a whole word or line of text.  I really don't
have an explanation for this, especially considering that other people
are not encountering the same behavior that I am!
I think the solution lies in modifying the speechd-up sources to use
a different buffering strategy, rather than recompiling kernels and
changing process priorities...

-- Chris




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* Re: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
             ` Michael Prokop
@              ` Doug Smith
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Doug Smith @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Ok, just a little advice here.  We know that the problem with the
spelling is.  First of allthat it is not the kernel.  Forget about
recompiling kernels.  We should not have to do this when it is not
necessary.  Forget about changes to priorities of processes, that's
bunk.  

Let's look at this a little.  It seems to depend on what machine the
thing runs on as to whether or not re-nicing the speechd-up process to
negative 20 or infinity, who really knows, if it will work.  Here it
is.  

If the speech-dispatcher and speechd-up people are lerking on this
list, or if they have access at all to any of this, here's what you
need to do.  

Test your speechd-up with the preempt on in the kernel like it is
supposed to be.  If the thing spells instead of reads right, fix the
buffering or the way you read from /dev/sftsynth.  

I might be able to fix it but I don't have the time nor the desire.  I
have several development paprojects I need to get moving on and I need
to get my web site up, now that I have this new hardwere.  I am not
going to touch it.  Whoever wrote speechd-up and/or speech-dispatcher,
should be the ones to fix the problem.  

If you are reading this, please fix the buffering or whatever it might
be in the way speech-dispatcher and/or speechd-up reads from
/dev/sftsynth, and it should be fixed.  



Yours most sincerely.




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* Re: spelling was Re: GRML swspeak?
           ` C.M. Brannon
@            ` Michael Prokop
               ` Doug Smith
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Michael Prokop @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

* C.M. Brannon <cmbrannon@cox.net> wrote:
> Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org> writes:
>> * C.M. Brannon <cmbrannon@cox.net> wrote:

[renice 3 speechd-up]

>> Are we talking about the same grml version?
>> grml 1.0 automatically does a 'nice -n -20 speechd-up' when invoking
>> swspeak. Does not that fix your issue?

> I'm using the latest and greatest, version 1.0.
> I have better success when speechd-up has a positive (low)
> priority, rather than a negative one.
> I think this is because a low priority process makes fewer reads to
> /dev/softsynth, so it is more likely to read words, rather than single
> characters.  You can actually view this with a packet capture tool,
> reading incoming messages on port 6560 (used by speech-dispatcher).
> When speechd-up runs with priority <= 0, I see a speak message
> generated and sent to speech-dispatcher for every character in a word,
> but when it runs with priority > 0, it usually sends a speak message
> to dispatcher containing a whole word or line of text.  I really don't
> have an explanation for this, especially considering that other people
> are not encountering the same behavior that I am!
> I think the solution lies in modifying the speechd-up sources to use
> a different buffering strategy, rather than recompiling kernels and
> changing process priorities...

Thanks, that's very useful information. I'll adjust nice level of
speechd-up on grml, hopefully it improves the situation once more. :)

-mika-
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* Re: GRML swspeak?
   tony seth
@  ` Hermann
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Hermann @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.

Hi,
you must set up Espeak as the default synth. To do this, check out the 
following files:
/etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf
/etc&speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak-generic.conf
When you install grml to your harddrive, make sure you've carefully read 
all the questions put during the procedure. One of it deals with the fact 
whether you want to start your system using assistive applications.
There's a grml mailinglist, for details see the grml site.
Hermann


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* Re: GRML swspeak?
@  tony seth
   ` Hermann
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: tony seth @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi there:  Just curious, if I want to use espeak instead of flite, am I 
understanding that I can't do that from the grml boot prompt then using 
the grml swspeak command?
How do I set that up so that if I do the grml2hd install so I use speak 
instead of flite?  Thanks much... cheereo!

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