VmWare

VmWare

[Zachary Kline]

Howdy,
    I'm glad to be able to report that I was able to get a fully speakup-enabled installation of Gentoo Linux onto a VmWare image.  This helps solve some rather annoying problems with my particular computer, specifically the cdrom drive being a little flaky.
    I've found that Espeak works very well in the virtual machine, and that in general unless I'm doing something intensive--like compilation--the performance is great.
    I'm actually rather proud of myself in that I was able to do this installation without sighted help, something which I had previously needed.
I'll stop rambling now.
Thanks for listening,
Zack.

Re: VmWare

[Gregory Nowak]

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Mind describing the procedure you took, (I.E. what vmware programs to
download, since there is a player and server), and everything that you
did? Is running gnu/linux in vmware with windows as the host really a
viable alternative to resizing existing partitions, and dealing with
installing on machines with no serial ports? Thanks.

Greg


On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 06:23:10PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Howdy,
>     I'm glad to be able to report that I was able to get a fully speakup-enabled installation of Gentoo Linux onto a VmWare image.  This helps solve some rather annoying problems with my particular computer, specifically the cdrom drive being a little flaky.
>     I've found that Espeak works very well in the virtual machine, and that in general unless I'm doing something intensive--like compilation--the performance is great.
>     I'm actually rather proud of myself in that I was able to do this installation without sighted help, something which I had previously needed.
> I'll stop rambling now.
> Thanks for listening,
> Zack.
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Re: VmWare

[Alex Snow]

yYou want to download the vmware server program...install it, create a 
new virtual machine, specify linux as the OS and choose a specific 
distribution from the list, or the closest choice it gives you, then 
go into vm->settings and add a serial port to the hardware, and make 
sure the cd-rom drive is pointing to the drive you want to install 
from, or an iso image, and boot the vm.  Use control-g to grab input 
and allow you to use the vm, and control-alt to release input.
On Sun, 
Apr 15, 2007 at 06:34:27PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> Mind describing the procedure you took, (I.E. what vmware programs to
> download, since there is a player and server), and everything that you
> did? Is running gnu/linux in vmware with windows as the host really a
> viable alternative to resizing existing partitions, and dealing with
> installing on machines with no serial ports? Thanks.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 06:23:10PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> > Howdy,
> >     I'm glad to be able to report that I was able to get a fully speakup-enabled installation of Gentoo Linux onto a VmWare image.  This helps solve some rather annoying problems with my particular computer, specifically the cdrom drive being a little flaky.
> >     I've found that Espeak works very well in the virtual machine, and that in general unless I'm doing something intensive--like compilation--the performance is great.
> >     I'm actually rather proud of myself in that I was able to do this installation without sighted help, something which I had previously needed.
> > I'll stop rambling now.
> > Thanks for listening,
> > Zack.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: VmWare

[Zachary Kline]

Hiya,
    I at least have found it to be a viable alternative so far, and would be 
glad to describe my methodology as best I can.
    I downloaded VMWare server and installed it on Windows.  I then ran the 
VMware Virtual Machine Console, as it's called, and created a new VM.  The 
console GUI is quite easy to navigate, at least with Window-Eyes.
    I had previously downloaded a Gentoo ISO, which I used as my cdrom 
image.  The process of adding a cdrom to the vm is fairly straightforward: 
if someone wants more details I'll add them.
    I also switched the Ethernet adapter--which is an emulated PCnet32 to 
'bridged' mode, because I happen to be on a private network that can handle 
that sort of thing.
    Finally, I booted up the ISO and waited a few seconds, then hit ctrl+g 
to switch the input to the VM.  I gave an ifconfig command to switch eth0 to 
an IP address I knew, changed the password on the root account, and started 
sshd.
    From that point, I just ssh'd into the VM--after hitting ctrl+alt to 
switch input back to Windows.  The Gentoo install, including partitioning 
and kernel compilation, went off without a hitch.  I just made sure to start 
sshd at boot, configure the network appropriately, etc.
I'm glad to answer any questions you may have.  I apologize if this has been 
vague.
I hope I can help.
Thanks,
Zack. 

Re: VmWare

[Gregory Nowak]

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Thanks, both what you and Alex said is very clear. I assume that once
you hit ctrl+g to interact with the vm, you can use normal speakup
review keys, and get speech from a serial hardware synth, assuming you
correctly redirected the virtual serial port to the machine's physical
serial port? Did you use ssh to do the install, because interacting
with the vm isn't as simple as I assumed in my previous question, or
was it simply because you just wanted to use ssh to do the install, or
because you didn't have a physical serial port/hardware synth?
Has anyone tried running gnome in a vmware machine running on a
windows host? If this is all as straight forward as it sounds, and as
good as it sounds, I may not have to worry about gnu/linux compatible
hardware, (I.E. modem, wireless card, on-board serial ports, ETC.), and about the
warranty if you resize partitions or remove windows, when looking for
a new laptop in the future.

Greg


On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 07:41:41PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hiya,
>     I at least have found it to be a viable alternative so far, and would be 
> glad to describe my methodology as best I can.
>     I downloaded VMWare server and installed it on Windows.  I then ran the 
> VMware Virtual Machine Console, as it's called, and created a new VM.  The 
> console GUI is quite easy to navigate, at least with Window-Eyes.
>     I had previously downloaded a Gentoo ISO, which I used as my cdrom 
> image.  The process of adding a cdrom to the vm is fairly straightforward: 
> if someone wants more details I'll add them.
>     I also switched the Ethernet adapter--which is an emulated PCnet32 to 
> 'bridged' mode, because I happen to be on a private network that can handle 
> that sort of thing.
>     Finally, I booted up the ISO and waited a few seconds, then hit ctrl+g 
> to switch the input to the VM.  I gave an ifconfig command to switch eth0 to 
> an IP address I knew, changed the password on the root account, and started 
> sshd.
>     From that point, I just ssh'd into the VM--after hitting ctrl+alt to 
> switch input back to Windows.  The Gentoo install, including partitioning 
> and kernel compilation, went off without a hitch.  I just made sure to start 
> sshd at boot, configure the network appropriately, etc.
> I'm glad to answer any questions you may have.  I apologize if this has been 
> vague.
> I hope I can help.
> Thanks,
> Zack. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: VmWare

[Tyler Spivey]

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I've installed everything from FreeBSD to Solaris to Linux in a vm, and
am getting quite good at it now. The one requirement is having a lot of
ram, since the vm's ram + however much ram the host needs is quite a
bit. With 768MB, it's not too bad - but it could be better. Also,
vmware's audio performance is - not so great. If you're just using ssh
from the window side, it's not that much of an issue - since you can
just play mp3s and such on windows.
Just my $0.02,
Tyler

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Re: VmWare

[Zachary Kline]

Hiya,
    I at least have found the VMWare audio quality to be quite acceptable, 
even with software speech.  I use espeak instead of flite, both for personal 
reasons and because flite causes static on the emulated es1371.
    Granted, I'm mostly intending this VM as a Linux server, so won't be 
playing much MP3 audio or the like on it.  But we'll see.
Thanks,
Zack.

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From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@pcdesk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: VmWare


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> am getting quite good at it now. The one requirement is having a lot of
> ram, since the vm's ram + however much ram the host needs is quite a
> bit. With 768MB, it's not too bad - but it could be better. Also,
> vmware's audio performance is - not so great. If you're just using ssh
> from the window side, it's not that much of an issue - since you can
> just play mp3s and such on windows.
> Just my $0.02,
> Tyler
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Re: VmWare

[Brent Harding]

To install about anything else that needs serial console, where does one end 
up getting a virtual serial port into the Windows side? I assume that a 
virtual port is needed on the host side to connect to the VM's virtual 
serial port. I would say that Minicom with Cygwin is probably the easiest 
way to deal with installations where you need to deal with the checkboxes 
and other controls in dialog boxes that come from the VM side of the 
connection.
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: VmWare


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> I've installed everything from FreeBSD to Solaris to Linux in a vm, and
> am getting quite good at it now. The one requirement is having a lot of
> ram, since the vm's ram + however much ram the host needs is quite a
> bit. With 768MB, it's not too bad - but it could be better. Also,
> vmware's audio performance is - not so great. If you're just using ssh
> from the window side, it's not that much of an issue - since you can
> just play mp3s and such on windows.
> Just my $0.02,
> Tyler
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Re: VmWare

[Zachary Kline]

Hello,
    Unfortunately, I don't have the good fortune to have a physical serial 
port.  I used SSH for the install and the initial configuration of the 
system because of that.
    After the install, I made sure ssh started on boot, and logged into it 
again and set Alsa up.  It worked like a charm, and now I can just use 
software speech, with normal speakup review keys, as you said.
    I've yet to try running Gnome.  But if the performance from the system 
as it stands now is any indicator, I shouldn't be surprised if it worked 
very well indeed.
    I also plan to try fiddling with USB serial hardware on the VM, to see 
if I can get it to be recognized as real serial hardware.
I'll report on this as I try it.
All the best,
Zack.

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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: VmWare


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> Thanks, both what you and Alex said is very clear. I assume that once
> you hit ctrl+g to interact with the vm, you can use normal speakup
> review keys, and get speech from a serial hardware synth, assuming you
> correctly redirected the virtual serial port to the machine's physical
> serial port? Did you use ssh to do the install, because interacting
> with the vm isn't as simple as I assumed in my previous question, or
> was it simply because you just wanted to use ssh to do the install, or
> because you didn't have a physical serial port/hardware synth?
> Has anyone tried running gnome in a vmware machine running on a
> windows host? If this is all as straight forward as it sounds, and as
> good as it sounds, I may not have to worry about gnu/linux compatible
> hardware, (I.E. modem, wireless card, on-board serial ports, ETC.), and 
> about the
> warranty if you resize partitions or remove windows, when looking for
> a new laptop in the future.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 07:41:41PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
>> Hiya,
>>     I at least have found it to be a viable alternative so far, and would 
>> be
>> glad to describe my methodology as best I can.
>>     I downloaded VMWare server and installed it on Windows.  I then ran 
>> the
>> VMware Virtual Machine Console, as it's called, and created a new VM. 
>> The
>> console GUI is quite easy to navigate, at least with Window-Eyes.
>>     I had previously downloaded a Gentoo ISO, which I used as my cdrom
>> image.  The process of adding a cdrom to the vm is fairly 
>> straightforward:
>> if someone wants more details I'll add them.
>>     I also switched the Ethernet adapter--which is an emulated PCnet32 to
>> 'bridged' mode, because I happen to be on a private network that can 
>> handle
>> that sort of thing.
>>     Finally, I booted up the ISO and waited a few seconds, then hit 
>> ctrl+g
>> to switch the input to the VM.  I gave an ifconfig command to switch eth0 
>> to
>> an IP address I knew, changed the password on the root account, and 
>> started
>> sshd.
>>     From that point, I just ssh'd into the VM--after hitting ctrl+alt to
>> switch input back to Windows.  The Gentoo install, including partitioning
>> and kernel compilation, went off without a hitch.  I just made sure to 
>> start
>> sshd at boot, configure the network appropriately, etc.
>> I'm glad to answer any questions you may have.  I apologize if this has 
>> been
>> vague.
>> I hope I can help.
>> Thanks,
>> Zack.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: VmWare

[Alex Snow]

yOnce you press control-g to grab input you can interact with the vm 
like it was a normal computer, so all keyboard commands such as 
speakup review keys work as they normally do.  I always have done my 
installs on vmware using speakup, which works exactly the same  as it 
would on a regular computer.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 08:40:49PM -0700, 
Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> Thanks, both what you and Alex said is very clear. I assume that once
> you hit ctrl+g to interact with the vm, you can use normal speakup
> review keys, and get speech from a serial hardware synth, assuming you
> correctly redirected the virtual serial port to the machine's physical
> serial port? Did you use ssh to do the install, because interacting
> with the vm isn't as simple as I assumed in my previous question, or
> was it simply because you just wanted to use ssh to do the install, or
> because you didn't have a physical serial port/hardware synth?
> Has anyone tried running gnome in a vmware machine running on a
> windows host? If this is all as straight forward as it sounds, and as
> good as it sounds, I may not have to worry about gnu/linux compatible
> hardware, (I.E. modem, wireless card, on-board serial ports, ETC.), and about the
> warranty if you resize partitions or remove windows, when looking for
> a new laptop in the future.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 07:41:41PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> > Hiya,
> >     I at least have found it to be a viable alternative so far, and would be 
> > glad to describe my methodology as best I can.
> >     I downloaded VMWare server and installed it on Windows.  I then ran the 
> > VMware Virtual Machine Console, as it's called, and created a new VM.  The 
> > console GUI is quite easy to navigate, at least with Window-Eyes.
> >     I had previously downloaded a Gentoo ISO, which I used as my cdrom 
> > image.  The process of adding a cdrom to the vm is fairly straightforward: 
> > if someone wants more details I'll add them.
> >     I also switched the Ethernet adapter--which is an emulated PCnet32 to 
> > 'bridged' mode, because I happen to be on a private network that can handle 
> > that sort of thing.
> >     Finally, I booted up the ISO and waited a few seconds, then hit ctrl+g 
> > to switch the input to the VM.  I gave an ifconfig command to switch eth0 to 
> > an IP address I knew, changed the password on the root account, and started 
> > sshd.
> >     From that point, I just ssh'd into the VM--after hitting ctrl+alt to 
> > switch input back to Windows.  The Gentoo install, including partitioning 
> > and kernel compilation, went off without a hitch.  I just made sure to start 
> > sshd at boot, configure the network appropriately, etc.
> > I'm glad to answer any questions you may have.  I apologize if this has been 
> > vague.
> > I hope I can help.
> > Thanks,
> > Zack. 
> > 
> > 
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: VmWare

[Doug Smith]

Good going.  The more you can do without sighted help, the better.  I
have to bust all my computing problems without sighted help, which I
do not have the luxury of anyway.  My wife, though sighted, knows
nothing about computers and, showing her the messages or whatever,
would do no more than get her confused.  

Well, I just got the start of one going the other day.  I have decided
to give gnome and orca a try.  I may or may not regret this.  I would
like to get some results from others on how you are doing with this
combination.  I would like to see what's going on.  If you are having
good or bad results with speech-enabled Linux gui interfaces, please
let me know so that I will know what to look forward to.  



Thanks 




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Computer Scientist For CHRIST

Re: VmWare

[Christopher Moore]

Doug,
You should probably give the ubuntu live cd a try before attempting to 
install it on a hard drive.  Check out:
live.gnome.org/Orca to get the scoop on how to obtain the ubuntu live 
cd.  

Gnome accessibility has been in the works for several years, and much 
has been accomlished in terms of the underlying archetecture.  However, 
in my opinion the end user experience is still far short of MS windows 
with a screen reader 
or the linux console apps.  On the other hand, the Orca team at Sun 
Microsystems has been working hard to improve accessibility and the 
product is more stable than in the past.  My major complaint is poor 
responsiveness.  When I'm using speakup, I get almost immediate feedback 
to keystrokes and commands. I can't say the same about orca.  

But, I urge you to try it out and make suggestions to the Orca team.

Chris

Re: VmWare

[Alex Snow]

Probably the easiest way to get gnome and orca running is to grab the 
latest ubuntu beta (7.04) and install it.  Orca works out of the box 
with this distro and most of the applications are accessible.  It even 
comes with the latest alpha of firefox3, so you can play with the 
accessibility features being developed.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 
06:58:06PM -0400, Doug Smith wrote:
> Good going.  The more you can do without sighted help, the better.  I
> have to bust all my computing problems without sighted help, which I
> do not have the luxury of anyway.  My wife, though sighted, knows
> nothing about computers and, showing her the messages or whatever,
> would do no more than get her confused.  
> 
> Well, I just got the start of one going the other day.  I have decided
> to give gnome and orca a try.  I may or may not regret this.  I would
> like to get some results from others on how you are doing with this
> combination.  I would like to see what's going on.  If you are having
> good or bad results with speech-enabled Linux gui interfaces, please
> let me know so that I will know what to look forward to.  
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: VmWare

[Doug Smith]

Ok, thanks, got it.  I have downloaded the latest 0.74 of ubuntu and
have been playing with it on the live cd.  It looks promising, thougha
little tricky to work with. 



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Re: VmWare

[Jeremy]

Late reply to one of the earlier posts on this subject. I had asked a 
question about how to get a installation of linux running in a vm, 
and, I have to say that I did get it working. It Turned out to be 
very easy, but, I was wondering about sound support in the vm as I 
was just using speakup through my serial port. It was kind of cool 
when I got it working as I was on skype on the windows host and it 
never gave me any trouble, but, I am guessing that getting some sort 
of software synth working would not work unless I had another 
soundcard to rout it through? I am not even sure if I can find 
drivers for my soundcard that is built into this laptop, but, that is 
a question for another time I suppose. If someone can tell me more 
about how this kind of thing works, that would be wonderful. I 
noticed that someone did get software speech going with a vm, so, 
figured I would ask.
Thanks bunches.

Re: VmWare

[Alex Snow]

yVmware emulates a soundcard for you...I forget exactly which one, but 
it's one of those that just about every modern OS has drivers for.  It 
uses your existing soundcard for output, so no need for a second card 
for the OS in the vm.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 01:27:24AM -0600, Jeremy 
wrote:
> Late reply to one of the earlier posts on this subject. I had asked a 
> question about how to get a installation of linux running in a vm, 
> and, I have to say that I did get it working. It Turned out to be 
> very easy, but, I was wondering about sound support in the vm as I 
> was just using speakup through my serial port. It was kind of cool 
> when I got it working as I was on skype on the windows host and it 
> never gave me any trouble, but, I am guessing that getting some sort 
> of software synth working would not work unless I had another 
> soundcard to rout it through? I am not even sure if I can find 
> drivers for my soundcard that is built into this laptop, but, that is 
> a question for another time I suppose. If someone can tell me more 
> about how this kind of thing works, that would be wonderful. I 
> noticed that someone did get software speech going with a vm, so, 
> figured I would ask.
> Thanks bunches.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Surely, Linus is talking about the kind of idiocy that others aspire to :-).
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Re: VmWare

[Brent Harding]

I tried this with VMWare Player. I was going to load up the Ubuntu 6.10 iso 
and install it on a virtual machine this way. I used easyvmx.com to generate 
the proper files and chose the ES whatever sound card it would use by 
default. Everything seemed to go OK until Orca loaded, and I got odd 
static-like noises instead of speech. I think sound is definitely broken 
some how in VMWare Player. I might uninstall that and try server instead.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeremy" <l84ad8r@gmail.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: VmWare


> Late reply to one of the earlier posts on this subject. I had asked a
> question about how to get a installation of linux running in a vm,
> and, I have to say that I did get it working. It Turned out to be
> very easy, but, I was wondering about sound support in the vm as I
> was just using speakup through my serial port. It was kind of cool
> when I got it working as I was on skype on the windows host and it
> never gave me any trouble, but, I am guessing that getting some sort
> of software synth working would not work unless I had another
> soundcard to rout it through? I am not even sure if I can find
> drivers for my soundcard that is built into this laptop, but, that is
> a question for another time I suppose. If someone can tell me more
> about how this kind of thing works, that would be wonderful. I
> noticed that someone did get software speech going with a vm, so,
> figured I would ask.
> Thanks bunches.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: VmWare

[Ricky Enger]

Hi Brent,
Actually, what you're experiencing is a bug in VmWare whereby the 
emulated sound card can't handle mono sound sources well, and 
Festival is apparently mono.

Now, in Ubuntu 7.04, Espeak is the default software synth and it 
works great.  You can download the iso for the live cd and boot from 
that.  This, of course, assumes you've installed VmWare server rather 
than just the player.

Note that if you actually want to install from the live cd, you'll 
need to do a couple things to get the installation to speak.

First, launch gnome-terminal.  You can switch to superuser here by 
typing sudo su.  You'll then need to create an .orbitrc file in the 
/root directory.  I use nano but you can use the editor of your 
choice.  The .orbitrc file should contain the following lines:
ORBIIOPIPv4=1
ORBIIOPUNIX=0

Save the file and then you should be able to launch ubiquity from the 
desktop icon.

Hth,
Ricky

At 09:56 AM 4/18/2007, you wrote:
>I tried this with VMWare Player. I was going to load up the Ubuntu 6.10 iso
>and install it on a virtual machine this way. I used easyvmx.com to generate
>the proper files and chose the ES whatever sound card it would use by
>default. Everything seemed to go OK until Orca loaded, and I got odd
>static-like noises instead of speech. I think sound is definitely broken
>some how in VMWare Player. I might uninstall that and try server instead.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeremy" <l84ad8r@gmail.com>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:27 AM
>Subject: Re: VmWare
>
>
> > Late reply to one of the earlier posts on this subject. I had asked a
> > question about how to get a installation of linux running in a vm,
> > and, I have to say that I did get it working. It Turned out to be
> > very easy, but, I was wondering about sound support in the vm as I
> > was just using speakup through my serial port. It was kind of cool
> > when I got it working as I was on skype on the windows host and it
> > never gave me any trouble, but, I am guessing that getting some sort
> > of software synth working would not work unless I had another
> > soundcard to rout it through? I am not even sure if I can find
> > drivers for my soundcard that is built into this laptop, but, that is
> > a question for another time I suppose. If someone can tell me more
> > about how this kind of thing works, that would be wonderful. I
> > noticed that someone did get software speech going with a vm, so,
> > figured I would ask.
> > Thanks bunches.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: VmWare

[Zachary Kline]

Hello,
The static is only a problem that affects Flite, which Ubuntu 6.10 uses by 
default.
Espeak works perfectly.
Hope this helps,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brent Harding" <bharding@doorpi.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: VmWare


>I tried this with VMWare Player. I was going to load up the Ubuntu 6.10 iso
> and install it on a virtual machine this way. I used easyvmx.com to 
> generate
> the proper files and chose the ES whatever sound card it would use by
> default. Everything seemed to go OK until Orca loaded, and I got odd
> static-like noises instead of speech. I think sound is definitely broken
> some how in VMWare Player. I might uninstall that and try server instead.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeremy" <l84ad8r@gmail.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:27 AM
> Subject: Re: VmWare
>
>
>> Late reply to one of the earlier posts on this subject. I had asked a
>> question about how to get a installation of linux running in a vm,
>> and, I have to say that I did get it working. It Turned out to be
>> very easy, but, I was wondering about sound support in the vm as I
>> was just using speakup through my serial port. It was kind of cool
>> when I got it working as I was on skype on the windows host and it
>> never gave me any trouble, but, I am guessing that getting some sort
>> of software synth working would not work unless I had another
>> soundcard to rout it through? I am not even sure if I can find
>> drivers for my soundcard that is built into this laptop, but, that is
>> a question for another time I suppose. If someone can tell me more
>> about how this kind of thing works, that would be wonderful. I
>> noticed that someone did get software speech going with a vm, so,
>> figured I would ask.
>> Thanks bunches.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: VmWare

[Brent Harding]

Oh, thought it was either Orca or the Festival speech. I don't much care for 
that speech engine anyways.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary Kline" <Z_kline@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: VmWare


> Hello,
> The static is only a problem that affects Flite, which Ubuntu 6.10 uses by
> default.
> Espeak works perfectly.
> Hope this helps,
> Zack.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brent Harding" <bharding@doorpi.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:56 AM
> Subject: Re: VmWare
>
>
>>I tried this with VMWare Player. I was going to load up the Ubuntu 6.10 
>>iso
>> and install it on a virtual machine this way. I used easyvmx.com to
>> generate
>> the proper files and chose the ES whatever sound card it would use by
>> default. Everything seemed to go OK until Orca loaded, and I got odd
>> static-like noises instead of speech. I think sound is definitely broken
>> some how in VMWare Player. I might uninstall that and try server instead.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jeremy" <l84ad8r@gmail.com>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: VmWare
>>
>>
>>> Late reply to one of the earlier posts on this subject. I had asked a
>>> question about how to get a installation of linux running in a vm,
>>> and, I have to say that I did get it working. It Turned out to be
>>> very easy, but, I was wondering about sound support in the vm as I
>>> was just using speakup through my serial port. It was kind of cool
>>> when I got it working as I was on skype on the windows host and it
>>> never gave me any trouble, but, I am guessing that getting some sort
>>> of software synth working would not work unless I had another
>>> soundcard to rout it through? I am not even sure if I can find
>>> drivers for my soundcard that is built into this laptop, but, that is
>>> a question for another time I suppose. If someone can tell me more
>>> about how this kind of thing works, that would be wonderful. I
>>> noticed that someone did get software speech going with a vm, so,
>>> figured I would ask.
>>> Thanks bunches.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
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Re: VmWare

[Alex Snow]

The 6.10 iso uses flite (or festival, I forget which) as its tts.  
THis has issues with vmware for some reason...give 7.04 a try, it 
switched to espeak which fixes the static problem.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 
at 08:56:48AM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
> I tried this with VMWare Player. I was going to load up the Ubuntu 6.10 iso 
> and install it on a virtual machine this way. I used easyvmx.com to generate 
> the proper files and chose the ES whatever sound card it would use by 
> default. Everything seemed to go OK until Orca loaded, and I got odd 
> static-like noises instead of speech. I think sound is definitely broken 
> some how in VMWare Player. I might uninstall that and try server instead.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeremy" <l84ad8r@gmail.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:27 AM
> Subject: Re: VmWare
> 
> 
> > Late reply to one of the earlier posts on this subject. I had asked a
> > question about how to get a installation of linux running in a vm,
> > and, I have to say that I did get it working. It Turned out to be
> > very easy, but, I was wondering about sound support in the vm as I
> > was just using speakup through my serial port. It was kind of cool
> > when I got it working as I was on skype on the windows host and it
> > never gave me any trouble, but, I am guessing that getting some sort
> > of software synth working would not work unless I had another
> > soundcard to rout it through? I am not even sure if I can find
> > drivers for my soundcard that is built into this laptop, but, that is
> > a question for another time I suppose. If someone can tell me more
> > about how this kind of thing works, that would be wonderful. I
> > noticed that someone did get software speech going with a vm, so,
> > figured I would ask.
> > Thanks bunches.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: VmWare

[Gregory Nowak]

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Can someone please describe the difference between the player, and
server? The vmware web site isn't clear on that as far as I can
tell. Thanks.

Greg


On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 08:56:48AM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
> I tried this with VMWare Player. I was going to load up the Ubuntu 6.10 iso 
> and install it on a virtual machine this way. I used easyvmx.com to generate 
> the proper files and chose the ES whatever sound card it would use by 
> default. Everything seemed to go OK until Orca loaded, and I got odd 
> static-like noises instead of speech. I think sound is definitely broken 
> some how in VMWare Player. I might uninstall that and try server instead.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 

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Re[2]: VmWare

[Farhan]

on 4/18/2007 at 15:51 Gregory Nowak said
> Can someone please describe the difference between the player, and
> server? The vmware web site isn't clear on that as far as I can
> tell. Thanks.

The vmware player just plays already created vmware images.
The vmware server allows you to create and also run vmware images.
The vmware server is just kind of like a free vmware workstation if you want to think of it like that.

Re: VmWare

[Alex Snow]

yThe player requires that you already have a virtual machine 
configuration created by the workstation or server (?) version.  The 
server version is the full vmware, kind of like workstation except 
with features geared more towards server virtualization.
On 
Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 12:17:07PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> Can someone please describe the difference between the player, and
> server? The vmware web site isn't clear on that as far as I can
> tell. Thanks.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 08:56:48AM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
> > I tried this with VMWare Player. I was going to load up the Ubuntu 6.10 iso 
> > and install it on a virtual machine this way. I used easyvmx.com to generate 
> > the proper files and chose the ES whatever sound card it would use by 
> > default. Everything seemed to go OK until Orca loaded, and I got odd 
> > static-like noises instead of speech. I think sound is definitely broken 
> > some how in VMWare Player. I might uninstall that and try server instead.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
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Re: VmWare

[Jeremy]

So, can someone please point me to a place where I can get info on 
how to get the live cd for ubuntu live cd and how to get it going. I 
did not have any luck on a old box I had here do to gnome not loading 
I think, but, it did indeed load on my vm, just couldn't read it. The 
one I got working was not the live cd I don't think.
Any help would be great.
Thanks.

Re: VmWare

[Brent Harding]

The player is really meant for prebuilt virtual machines. You can generate 
config files for it using sites like easyvmx.com and then install an OS into 
your virtual image that way. I finally made it work with Feisty, but I wish 
the audio was multichannel so other audio that comes up won't disturb Orca.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: VmWare


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Can someone please describe the difference between the player, and
> server? The vmware web site isn't clear on that as far as I can
> tell. Thanks.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 08:56:48AM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
>> I tried this with VMWare Player. I was going to load up the Ubuntu 6.10 
>> iso
>> and install it on a virtual machine this way. I used easyvmx.com to 
>> generate
>> the proper files and chose the ES whatever sound card it would use by
>> default. Everything seemed to go OK until Orca loaded, and I got odd
>> static-like noises instead of speech. I think sound is definitely broken
>> some how in VMWare Player. I might uninstall that and try server instead.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>
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Re: VmWare

[Jeremy]

Late reply to one of the earlier posts on this subject. I had asked a 
question about how to get a installation of linux running in a vm, 
and, I have to say that I did get it working. It Turned out to be 
very easy, but, I was wondering about sound support in the vm as I 
was just using speakup through my serial port. It was kind of cool 
when I got it working as I was on skype on the windows host and it 
never gave me any trouble, but, I am guessing that getting some sort 
of software synth working would not work unless I had another 
soundcard to rout it through? I am not even sure if I can find 
drivers for my soundcard that is built into this laptop, but, that is 
a question for another time I suppose. If someone can tell me more 
about how this kind of thing works, that would be wonderful. I 
noticed that someone did get software speech going with a vm, so, 
figured I would ask.
Thanks bunches.

RE: vmware

[Dawes, Stephen]

You may want to take a look at plex86 and boches first. Plex86 and
Boches are open source where as vmware must be purchased. 
I can't remember the respective web sites, but you could try:
plex86.org
boches.org
as a starting point. If that doesn't work do a google search for the 2
packages and you will be able to find the sites that way. From what I
have read, and I haven't tried either package yet, they certainly seem
worth a try.

Steve Dawes
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vmware

[Sergey Fleytin]

Hi, all!

I am very much interested in using vmware, so i have some questions,
since i am a compleate newbye in ti. First of all, is anyone on this
list using vmware? How accessable it is? Can it be installed and run
without sighted assistance? What about running screen reviewing
software on a virtual machine? I plan to install Dos operating system
firstly for a test and secondly for running some of my favorite
Dos applications under Linux. I know about dosemu, but it is not
always does what i want. So any help and experiences will be highly
appreciated.

Best regards,

Sergey.

vmware

[Scott Howell]

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if anyone is using vmware to load windows in Linux, please write to me off the list.
I have a few questions. I had a converstation with a gent who posed some intresting questions.
One of those being if it were possible to run existing commercial screen access packages like Window-Eyes etc. in windows running under vmware.
Also, if the configuration was possible without sighted assistance.
Any info appreciated.



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Re: vmware

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Can't help you about configs, but I heard that Bart, a fellow Aussie
lister, was running JFW with eloquence under windows NT under VM ware under
linux on a laptop.  So I'd say the answer is yeah.

Geoff.

Re: vmware

[Scott Howell]

tnx, I gather you need to have X windows setup first. Someone told me there
is a text config program for setting up X. He didn't know what it was,
anyone know?

tnx



----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: vmware


> Hi:
>
> Can't help you about configs, but I heard that Bart, a fellow Aussie
> lister, was running JFW with eloquence under windows NT under VM ware
under
> linux on a laptop.  So I'd say the answer is yeah.
>
> Geoff.
>
>
>
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Re: vmware

[Kerry Hoath]

The setup of X can be done without sighted assistance but the setup of vmware
can not. The text ap for configuring the Xfree x servers is called
xf86config

You *will* nieed sighted assistance to configure the virtual machines in vmware
once configured you can boot them no worries.
Regards, Kerry.
On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 08:05:30AM -0500, Scott Howell wrote:
> tnx, I gather you need to have X windows setup first. Someone told me there
> is a text config program for setting up X. He didn't know what it was,
> anyone know?
> 
> tnx
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: vmware
> 
> 
> > Hi:
> >
> > Can't help you about configs, but I heard that Bart, a fellow Aussie
> > lister, was running JFW with eloquence under windows NT under VM ware
> under
> > linux on a laptop.  So I'd say the answer is yeah.
> >
> > Geoff.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: vmware

[scott howell]

tnx for the info. THis aut to be fun. Maybe I'll get Linux on that windows
box and teach my wife right from the get go.<G>
btw, is it possible to setup Linux on a box via minicom and then have tit
boot to the regular console? also, if memory serves me, isn't X able to be
the default console?
I ask only cause I would really like to have her using Linux if
possible. Not sure the regular text console would be as easy cause she'd
have to do a lot of typing of commands and not so sure she'd be as willing
to learn.<G>

tnx

Re: vmware

[Bart Bunting]

Kerry Hoath writes:
 > The setup of X can be done without sighted assistance but the setup of vmware
 > can not. The text ap for configuring the Xfree x servers is called
 > xf86config
 > 
 > You *will* nieed sighted assistance to configure the virtual machines in vmware
 > once configured you can boot them no worries.
 > Regards, Kerry.

of course there is the possibility of getting someone else to do it
and shipping you the config files for the vm and the disk immage.
probably large.  but it'd be doable.

Bart

Re: vmware

[John Covici]

Well, there XF86Config, but at one point it runs X, so some eyes will
be of use.
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on Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:05:30 -0500 "Scott Howell" <n3byy@speakeasy.org> in
<02fd01bf9a48$accb7140$b58cb683@hq.nasa.gov> wrote:
>tnx, I gather you need to have X windows setup first. Someone told me there
>is a text config program for setting up X. He didn't know what it was,
>anyone know?
>
>tnx
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 8:00 AM
>Subject: Re: vmware
>
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Can't help you about configs, but I heard that Bart, a fellow Aussie
>> lister, was running JFW with eloquence under windows NT under VM ware
>under
>> linux on a laptop.  So I'd say the answer is yeah.
>>
>> Geoff.
>>
>>
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Re: vmware

[Kris Van Hees]

The installation process for vmware itself is entirely text-based.  However,
to actually create a VM you need to use the GUI wizard, which is a real shame.
They might be willing to provide a non-GUI version of that though, if enough
people support that request, I think.

The other issue though is that e.g. to install Windows in a VM, you of course
have to go through the entire Windows installation process which is also very
GUI based, and I am not aware of anything that provides speach assistance at
that stage of the game.

	Kris

On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 08:30:02AM -0500, Scott Howell wrote:
>    if anyone is using vmware to load windows in Linux, please write to me
>    off the list.
>    
>    I have a few questions. I had a converstation with a gent who posed
>    some intresting questions.
>    
>    One of those being if it were possible to run existing commercial
>    screen access packages like Window-Eyes etc. in windows running under
>    vmware.
>    
>    Also, if the configuration was possible without sighted assistance.
>    
>    Any info appreciated.

Re: vmware

[cpt.kirk]

While I have not looked at the installation of VMWare, I can speak about
the instalation of Windows. It is possible to do this with no interaction
beyond starting it. I t will take a little time to find all the details.
Windows 98 is actually quite easy, and I should be able to provide the
needed file. Windows 95 is possible also. It comes down to specifying an
inf file (typically msbatch.inf) on the command line.

There is one created for you when you install Windows 98. To make it
completely non-interactive takes some modification though. If (and only
if) there is interest in that information I will look it up. Might be the
weekend before I can post all the gory details. If I can find it, I will
post one that I have already done for Windows 98.

Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
------------------

Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now).

Re: vmware

[Scott Howell]

I actually have a script someone gave me. I can give it to whomever wants it
or if someone would put it on their site, I'll send it to him/her.



----- Original Message -----
From: <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: vmware


> While I have not looked at the installation of VMWare, I can speak about
> the instalation of Windows. It is possible to do this with no interaction
> beyond starting it. I t will take a little time to find all the details.
> Windows 98 is actually quite easy, and I should be able to provide the
> needed file. Windows 95 is possible also. It comes down to specifying an
> inf file (typically msbatch.inf) on the command line.
>
> There is one created for you when you install Windows 98. To make it
> completely non-interactive takes some modification though. If (and only
> if) there is interest in that information I will look it up. Might be the
> weekend before I can post all the gory details. If I can find it, I will
> post one that I have already done for Windows 98.
>
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> ------------------
>
> Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now).
>
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Re: vmware

[cpt.kirk]

You can specify a script. In fact here is how it works (if memory serves
correct). If there is no script given on the commend line then setup looks
in the current directory for msbatch.inf. If that is found it uses it. If
it is not found, then it will proceed with default. If an inf file is
specified but not found then you will get an error and you must restart
setup. It is not capable of recovering that.

I don't wish to spend all my time answering Windows questions, but I can
(And will) assist with the occasional problem. I just wish I knew as much
in Linux as I do in Windows.

Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
------------------

Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now).

Re: vmware

[Count Zero]

Hi, definitely let me know about this, I've been looking for this info for
a while now.  If nothing else, please send me what you have off of the list
so we don't clutter it up.

Thanks and best regards.
Tom Mary Beth and the menagerie

Re: vmware

[Victor Tsaran]

Guys, on WIndows98 CD there is a Resource Toolkit which, among other things,
explains the noninteractive installation. I believe  there even is a program
called msbatch.exe which leads you through a process of creating a
msbatch.inf file, of which Kirk has written already. So, browse your Win98
CD and you'll find the info there.
Regards,
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Count Zero" <kf6ddt@concentric.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: vmware


> Hi, definitely let me know about this, I've been looking for this info for
> a while now.  If nothing else, please send me what you have off of the
list
> so we don't clutter it up.
>
> Thanks and best regards.
> Tom Mary Beth and the menagerie
>
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Re: vmware

[Scott Howell]

actually and this will be an assumption, but if you install windows by
typing "setup", you can specify a script on the command line which will
automate the install.
I'll let folks on the speakup list know. They might be willing to bug you
guys into doing a text install.<G>

tnx

vmware

[Bart Bunting]

Scott Howell writes:
 > if anyone is using vmware to load windows in Linux, please write to me off the list.
 > I have a few questions. I had a converstation with a gent who posed some intresting questions.
 > One of those being if it were possible to run existing commercial screen access packages like Window-Eyes etc. in windows running under vmware.
yes, it works. had it running with vmware 1.1
 > Also, if the configuration was possible without sighted assistance.
no not at all. much sighted asistance is required.


works quite nicely though.  they say they've made sound improvements
in the new version, probably works even better.

Bart
ps
if you are using jaws you may well run into trouble with authorisation if you arn't running vmware off a raw partition.

Re: vmware

[John Covici]

I am using vmware and Windows 98 under that and WindowEyes under that
and it works!  Its very slow on my Pentium 200, but it does function.

Unfortunately, you will need sighted assistance to configure the thing
and you have to install windows 98 just like a new C drive -- in fact
-- you actually format the drive (virtual disk).

Hope this helps.
Also, you need to do some jiggery pokery if you want to use the same
port as your synthesizer for speakup, so if you have another synth
this would be better.


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Re: vmware

[scott howell]

what's the trickery to use the same synth. I ask only cause I have one isa
slot for the doubletalk and can't get the sounding board in there. Wish I
could sell that and get another Doubletalk.
I'd take $150 for the sounding board if I could get it. Not a bad synth,
but no support for LInux and never will be.
Wish someone could figure a driver up for it.<G>

tnx

Re: vmware

[John Covici]

I don't know what to do for the internal synth, for external ones, you
have to make sure that nothing in the guest OS sets the device
corresponding to the synth to a speed other than 9600 baud and you
have to comment out the request_region in the driver for the synth, so
a device is registered by serial.c .

On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, scott howell wrote:

> what's the trickery to use the same synth. I ask only cause I have one isa
> slot for the doubletalk and can't get the sounding board in there. Wish I
> could sell that and get another Doubletalk.
> I'd take $150 for the sounding board if I could get it. Not a bad synth,
> but no support for LInux and never will be.
> Wish someone could figure a driver up for it.<G>
> 
> tnx
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: vmware

[scott howell]

anyone know what to do with internal synths?

tnx

this is in the case of where you have one synth and your trying to run
another os under mware.