re: aptitude

re: aptitude

[Jude DaShiell]

cross all ten of your toes and all ten of your fingers and try the command 
as root: apt-get remove --purge package-name If it fails and you've 
already installed aptitude then try: aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade 
and allow aptitude to fix what it will.  Maybe this will get fixed.

Re: aptitude

[Littlefield, tyler]

thanks, tried.
found out the person I gave root to removed perl.
I thought they had just removed a pakcage, or that I did...
Tyler Littlefield
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From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: re: aptitude


> cross all ten of your toes and all ten of your fingers and try the command
> as root: apt-get remove --purge package-name If it fails and you've
> already installed aptitude then try: aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade
> and allow aptitude to fix what it will.  Maybe this will get fixed.
>
>
>
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Speakup and VMWare

[Monty Lilburn]

Hello All,

I am running Windows XP via VMPlayer on top of a Debian distro with 
Speakup compiled into a 2.6.18 kernel.  (straight in, not as modules)  I 
am using Speakup with a Dectalk Express attached to /dev/ttyS0.

What I would like to do is get the Window-Eyes running on the Windows XP 
working with the dectalk express.

Since Speakup completely takes over and locks /dev/ttyS0,
I successfully managed to set up a virtual serial port on the virtual 
machine that pointed to /proc/speakup/synth_direct  on the host machine 
(Debian running Speakup)  I thought for a moment that by doing this I 
could then get Window-Eyes to use the Dectalk Express.  Unfortunately this 
didn't really work.  Setting Window-Eyes to use any serial hardware synth 
other than the Dectalk Express  does result in speech mixed with synth 
codes being spoken by the Dectalk.  When I  set Windo-Eyes to use the 
Dectalk Express, no speech at all happens.  I'm guessing this may have to 
do with flow-control or some setting that I would need to play with to get 
working.

The other reason this method won't work now that I think about it is 
because the synth_direct device is defaulted to only be writable which 
implies to me that it isn't readable and there for things like indexing 
won't work.

Does anyone know of a better way to achieve my objective of being able to 
fully access the serial port  attached to the Dectalk express?  Is there a 
speakup device or work around that will allow this to happen?

Thanks in advance,

   Monty

Re: Speakup and VMWare

[Gregory Nowak]

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Have you tried /dev/synth instead?

Also, could you please consider writing up a howto of some sort
describing what you did to get to where you are at now running winxp
under VMPlayer? I for one would be interested in seeing what the
procedure is like, and I probably am not the only one.

Greg


On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 05:58:31PM +0000, Monty Lilburn wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I am running Windows XP via VMPlayer on top of a Debian distro with 
> Speakup compiled into a 2.6.18 kernel.  (straight in, not as modules)  I 
> am using Speakup with a Dectalk Express attached to /dev/ttyS0.
> 
> What I would like to do is get the Window-Eyes running on the Windows XP 
> working with the dectalk express.
> 
> Since Speakup completely takes over and locks /dev/ttyS0,
> I successfully managed to set up a virtual serial port on the virtual 
> machine that pointed to /proc/speakup/synth_direct  on the host machine 
> (Debian running Speakup)  I thought for a moment that by doing this I 
> could then get Window-Eyes to use the Dectalk Express.  Unfortunately this 
> didn't really work.  Setting Window-Eyes to use any serial hardware synth 
> other than the Dectalk Express  does result in speech mixed with synth 
> codes being spoken by the Dectalk.  When I  set Windo-Eyes to use the 
> Dectalk Express, no speech at all happens.  I'm guessing this may have to 
> do with flow-control or some setting that I would need to play with to get 
> working.
> 
> The other reason this method won't work now that I think about it is 
> because the synth_direct device is defaulted to only be writable which 
> implies to me that it isn't readable and there for things like indexing 
> won't work.
> 
> Does anyone know of a better way to achieve my objective of being able to 
> fully access the serial port  attached to the Dectalk express?  Is there a 
> speakup device or work around that will allow this to happen?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
>    Monty
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Speakup and VMWare

[Tyler Spivey]

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To access the dectalk express, you need to either connect it to another
serial port, or fool linux into releasing the port that speakup is
using. try:
setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550a
I don't have a linux machine atm to test that on, but it should work.
just echo anything that the dectalk can speak to it to make sure, and
make sure that speakup and window eyes don't try to use the same synth -
interesting results can occur.

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using serial port locked by Speakup (was: Re: Speakup and VMWare)

[Monty Lilburn]

Hello,

Thanks to Greg and Tyler for suggestions on how to essentially allow
bi-directional communications directly to a Dectalk Express while Speakup is 
active.  Unfortunately, I still am not having success.

For others who may be reading this, I am specifically trying  to allow Windows 
XP that I have running with VMWare on my Debian box with Speakup compiled into 
the kernel to access /dev/ttyS0 which is currently locked by Speakup.

For  VMWare configuration reasons, I can't seam to use /dev/synth, and although
  I can send data to /proc/speakup/direct_synth, I can not receive data (such as
indexing info back through that method).  At this point it would really seam 
that I need to be able to  use /dev/ttyS0 even while locked by speakup.

I tried Tyler's suggestion of executing:

setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550a

And, although the command executed fine, it didn't seam to make a 
difference.  Have you had success with this?  If so, at what point do you 
run setserial?  Prior to running vmplayer or after Windows is up?


If anyone has thoughts on how to get this working that would be much 
appreciated. Even if you haven't played with VMWare, the general problem is
just being able to echo  (and receive) data to the serial port in use by 
Speakup

BTW:  I plan on writing a HowTo on my experiences of getting VMWare working 
with  Debian plus a successful unattended instalation of Windows XP.


Thanks for the help

Best regards,
   Monty


On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, Tyler Spivey wrote:

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> To access the dectalk express, you need to either connect it to another
> serial port, or fool linux into releasing the port that speakup is
> using. try:
> setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550a
> I don't have a linux machine atm to test that on, but it should work.
> just echo anything that the dectalk can speak to it to make sure, and
> make sure that speakup and window eyes don't try to use the same synth -
> interesting results can occur.
>
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Re: using serial port locked by Speakup (was: Re: Speakup and VMWare)

[Littlefield, tyler]

Monty,
I think you're running into a kernel issue here.
What I think the main issue is, is a generic m$ issue.
Winblows nt, especially xp, in an attempt to try to get people to be kernel
safe decides to lock everyone out, which means you have to go through the
kernel to do anything.
VmWare may be able to simulate things, but it may not be able to go down to
the hardware abstraction layer, which is what you may need if your going to
the serial port.
HTH,
Tyler Littlefield
phone:
(888) 767-3893
website:
tysplace.homelinux.net
msn: compgeek134@hotmail.com
aim: st8amnd2005
skype: st8amnd127
----- Original Message -----
From: Monty Lilburn <monty-speakup@bc.cx>
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:09 AM
Subject: using serial port locked by Speakup (was: Re: Speakup and VMWare)


> Hello,
>
> Thanks to Greg and Tyler for suggestions on how to essentially allow
> bi-directional communications directly to a Dectalk Express while Speakup
is
> active.  Unfortunately, I still am not having success.
>
> For others who may be reading this, I am specifically trying  to allow
Windows
> XP that I have running with VMWare on my Debian box with Speakup compiled
into
> the kernel to access /dev/ttyS0 which is currently locked by Speakup.
>
> For  VMWare configuration reasons, I can't seam to use /dev/synth, and
although
>   I can send data to /proc/speakup/direct_synth, I can not receive data
(such as
> indexing info back through that method).  At this point it would really
seam
> that I need to be able to  use /dev/ttyS0 even while locked by speakup.
>
> I tried Tyler's suggestion of executing:
>
> setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550a
>
> And, although the command executed fine, it didn't seam to make a
> difference.  Have you had success with this?  If so, at what point do you
> run setserial?  Prior to running vmplayer or after Windows is up?
>
>
> If anyone has thoughts on how to get this working that would be much
> appreciated. Even if you haven't played with VMWare, the general problem
is
> just being able to echo  (and receive) data to the serial port in use by
> Speakup
>
> BTW:  I plan on writing a HowTo on my experiences of getting VMWare
working
> with  Debian plus a successful unattended instalation of Windows XP.
>
>
> Thanks for the help
>
> Best regards,
>    Monty
>
>
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, Tyler Spivey wrote:
>
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> > To access the dectalk express, you need to either connect it to another
> > serial port, or fool linux into releasing the port that speakup is
> > using. try:
> > setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550a
> > I don't have a linux machine atm to test that on, but it should work.
> > just echo anything that the dectalk can speak to it to make sure, and
> > make sure that speakup and window eyes don't try to use the same synth -
> > interesting results can occur.
> >
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