State of accessibility in linux

State of accessibility in linux

[Andrew Wagner]

Hi all.
I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility for linux
users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of having a screen
reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case now? Is
there a linux distribution where the installation is local and accessible?
What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a linux
distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on Microsoft.
One of these days...

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Chris Norman]

hI MATE,
tHERE IS STILL A SCREEN READER THAT WORKS FROM BOOTUP FROM SHUTDOWN, IT'S 
CALLED "sPEAKUP".

gO TO WWW.LINUX-SPEAKUP.ORG, THERE ARE DISTRIBUTIONS ALREADY PACKAGED WITH 
SPEAKUP. tHE ONLY THING IS, IF YOU WANT SPEECH FROM BOOTUP TO POWER DOWN, 
YOU NEED A HARDWARE SYNTHESISER, OTHERWISE YOU WILL ONLY GET SPEECH FROM 
WHEN YOU LOAD THE SOFTWARE SYNTHESISER.

iF YOU WANT A DISTRIBUTION WHICH WORKS WITH SPEECH (SOFTWARE), AND CAN BE 
INSTALLED BY A BLIND PERSON, i RECOMEND grml.

gO TO WWW.GRML.ORG AND DOWNLOAD IT FROM THERE.

wHEN YOU BOOT IT, YOU WILL NEED A BOOT LINE SOMETHING LIKE THE FOLLOWING:

GRML SWSPEAK LANG=UK KEYBOARD=UK

tHERE IS LOTS OF STUFF OUT THERE, AND LOADS OF PEOPLE WILLING TO HELP.

hOPE THIS HELPS AND TAKE CARE,

Chris Norman
<!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:40 AM
Subject: State of accessibility in linux


> Hi all.
> I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility for linux
> users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of having a 
> screen
> reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case now? Is
> there a linux distribution where the installation is local and accessible?
> What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a linux
> distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on Microsoft.
> One of these days...
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[sean murphy]

Hi Andrew,

The accessibility to Linux varies depending on which application you are 
using.  I know of four applications for the shell environment.

Speakup
Emacs speak (its own desktop environment)
BRLTTY (only used with braille displays)
IBM (They have a screen reader which I know very little about)

There is a XWindows screen reader, but I don't know much about it and how 
good it is.  If anyone on the list could add some info to this, I would be 
welcomed.  I would like to know how it compares to Windows or MAC.

Sean

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:40 AM
Subject: State of accessibility in Linux


> Hi all.
> I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility for linux
> users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of having a 
> screen
> reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case now? Is
> there a linux distribution where the installation is local and accessible?
> What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a linux
> distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on Microsoft.
> One of these days...
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Scott Howell]

For Gnome there's Gnopernicus which at least as of the last time I  
tried it, it worked, but wasn't very efficient. I had real hopes that  
would be the case, but if your looking for a comparison between the  
gui-based Linux solutions and the Mac, the Mac would win hands down.  
I say this because so far KDE isn't accessible to my knowledge,  
Gnopernicus despite being a solution and a good one isn't really  
ready for daily use based on my experience, and I am sure this will  
improve with time. On the other hand, the Mac with VoiceOver is what  
I use daily and for a large number of tasks and its very good. Is it  
perfect? No, but then what adaptive solution is. They all have their  
issues, but you simply have to choose what works best for you. Now if  
your talking about access from the console, well Speakup will win  
everytime because there is truly an accessible solution if there ever  
was one. Speakup reigns supreme from the console providing more  
access than any other adaptive solution both gui or console-based.
Now these are just my opinions and if you disagree, that's fine, I'm  
not looking to turn this into a pissing contest, just merely making  
some observations based on my experience.


Scott



On May 25, 2006, at 6:52 AM, sean murphy wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
> The accessibility to Linux varies depending on which application  
> you are
> using.  I know of four applications for the shell environment.
>
> Speakup
> Emacs speak (its own desktop environment)
> BRLTTY (only used with braille displays)
> IBM (They have a screen reader which I know very little about)
>
> There is a XWindows screen reader, but I don't know much about it  
> and how
> good it is.  If anyone on the list could add some info to this, I  
> would be
> welcomed.  I would like to know how it compares to Windows or MAC.
>
> Sean
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:40 AM
> Subject: State of accessibility in Linux
>
>
>> Hi all.
>> I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility  
>> for linux
>> users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of having a
>> screen
>> reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case  
>> now? Is
>> there a linux distribution where the installation is local and  
>> accessible?
>> What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a linux
>> distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on  
>> Microsoft.
>> One of these days...
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi Scott
With regard to Gnome accessibility, don't forget about the other  
screen reader, Orca. It has great potential and, at least for me, has  
superceded gnopernicus completely. It's scriptable and has  
independent cursor moving keys similar to speakup, with the ability  
to click the mouse where the cursor is as the windows screen readers  
do. Voiceover is still much more efficient at this point, yet Orca is  
getting better quite fast.
Just my $0.02


On May 25, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> For Gnome there's Gnopernicus which at least as of the last time I
> tried it, it worked, but wasn't very efficient. I had real hopes that
> would be the case, but if your looking for a comparison between the
> gui-based Linux solutions and the Mac, the Mac would win hands down.
> I say this because so far KDE isn't accessible to my knowledge,
> Gnopernicus despite being a solution and a good one isn't really
> ready for daily use based on my experience, and I am sure this will
> improve with time. On the other hand, the Mac with VoiceOver is what
> I use daily and for a large number of tasks and its very good. Is it
> perfect? No, but then what adaptive solution is. They all have their
> issues, but you simply have to choose what works best for you. Now if
> your talking about access from the console, well Speakup will win
> everytime because there is truly an accessible solution if there ever
> was one. Speakup reigns supreme from the console providing more
> access than any other adaptive solution both gui or console-based.
> Now these are just my opinions and if you disagree, that's fine, I'm
> not looking to turn this into a pissing contest, just merely making
> some observations based on my experience.
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2006, at 6:52 AM, sean murphy wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>> The accessibility to Linux varies depending on which application
>> you are
>> using.  I know of four applications for the shell environment.
>>
>> Speakup
>> Emacs speak (its own desktop environment)
>> BRLTTY (only used with braille displays)
>> IBM (They have a screen reader which I know very little about)
>>
>> There is a XWindows screen reader, but I don't know much about it
>> and how
>> good it is.  If anyone on the list could add some info to this, I
>> would be
>> welcomed.  I would like to know how it compares to Windows or MAC.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:40 AM
>> Subject: State of accessibility in Linux
>>
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility
>>> for linux
>>> users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of  
>>> having a
>>> screen
>>> reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case
>>> now? Is
>>> there a linux distribution where the installation is local and
>>> accessible?
>>> What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a linux
>>> distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on
>>> Microsoft.
>>> One of these days...
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Scott Howell]

Hey, you know I forgot about Orca. I heard of it ery recently and  
have been meaning to have a look at it. So thanks for the word on  
that and its good to know there's another option available for Gnome.


Scott



On May 25, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:

> Hi Scott
> With regard to Gnome accessibility, don't forget about the other
> screen reader, Orca. It has great potential and, at least for me, has
> superceded gnopernicus completely. It's scriptable and has
> independent cursor moving keys similar to speakup, with the ability
> to click the mouse where the cursor is as the windows screen readers
> do. Voiceover is still much more efficient at this point, yet Orca is
> getting better quite fast.
> Just my $0.02
>
>
> On May 25, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>> For Gnome there's Gnopernicus which at least as of the last time I
>> tried it, it worked, but wasn't very efficient. I had real hopes that
>> would be the case, but if your looking for a comparison between the
>> gui-based Linux solutions and the Mac, the Mac would win hands down.
>> I say this because so far KDE isn't accessible to my knowledge,
>> Gnopernicus despite being a solution and a good one isn't really
>> ready for daily use based on my experience, and I am sure this will
>> improve with time. On the other hand, the Mac with VoiceOver is what
>> I use daily and for a large number of tasks and its very good. Is it
>> perfect? No, but then what adaptive solution is. They all have their
>> issues, but you simply have to choose what works best for you. Now if
>> your talking about access from the console, well Speakup will win
>> everytime because there is truly an accessible solution if there ever
>> was one. Speakup reigns supreme from the console providing more
>> access than any other adaptive solution both gui or console-based.
>> Now these are just my opinions and if you disagree, that's fine, I'm
>> not looking to turn this into a pissing contest, just merely making
>> some observations based on my experience.
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 25, 2006, at 6:52 AM, sean murphy wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>
>>> The accessibility to Linux varies depending on which application
>>> you are
>>> using.  I know of four applications for the shell environment.
>>>
>>> Speakup
>>> Emacs speak (its own desktop environment)
>>> BRLTTY (only used with braille displays)
>>> IBM (They have a screen reader which I know very little about)
>>>
>>> There is a XWindows screen reader, but I don't know much about it
>>> and how
>>> good it is.  If anyone on the list could add some info to this, I
>>> would be
>>> welcomed.  I would like to know how it compares to Windows or MAC.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
>>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:40 AM
>>> Subject: State of accessibility in Linux
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility
>>>> for linux
>>>> users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of
>>>> having a
>>>> screen
>>>> reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case
>>>> now? Is
>>>> there a linux distribution where the installation is local and
>>>> accessible?
>>>> What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a linux
>>>> distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on
>>>> Microsoft.
>>>> One of these days...
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[propaine]

Where can I find information on Orca?  Thanks!

Propaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jacob Schmude" <j.schmude@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: State of accessibility in linux


> Hi Scott
> With regard to Gnome accessibility, don't forget about the other  
> screen reader, Orca. It has great potential and, at least for me, has  
> superceded gnopernicus completely. It's scriptable and has  
> independent cursor moving keys similar to speakup, with the ability  
> to click the mouse where the cursor is as the windows screen readers  
> do. Voiceover is still much more efficient at this point, yet Orca is  
> getting better quite fast.
> Just my $0.02
> 
> 
> On May 25, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
> > For Gnome there's Gnopernicus which at least as of the last time I
> > tried it, it worked, but wasn't very efficient. I had real hopes that
> > would be the case, but if your looking for a comparison between the
> > gui-based Linux solutions and the Mac, the Mac would win hands down.
> > I say this because so far KDE isn't accessible to my knowledge,
> > Gnopernicus despite being a solution and a good one isn't really
> > ready for daily use based on my experience, and I am sure this will
> > improve with time. On the other hand, the Mac with VoiceOver is what
> > I use daily and for a large number of tasks and its very good. Is it
> > perfect? No, but then what adaptive solution is. They all have their
> > issues, but you simply have to choose what works best for you. Now if
> > your talking about access from the console, well Speakup will win
> > everytime because there is truly an accessible solution if there ever
> > was one. Speakup reigns supreme from the console providing more
> > access than any other adaptive solution both gui or console-based.
> > Now these are just my opinions and if you disagree, that's fine, I'm
> > not looking to turn this into a pissing contest, just merely making
> > some observations based on my experience.
> >
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 25, 2006, at 6:52 AM, sean murphy wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Andrew,
> >>
> >> The accessibility to Linux varies depending on which application
> >> you are
> >> using.  I know of four applications for the shell environment.
> >>
> >> Speakup
> >> Emacs speak (its own desktop environment)
> >> BRLTTY (only used with braille displays)
> >> IBM (They have a screen reader which I know very little about)
> >>
> >> There is a XWindows screen reader, but I don't know much about it
> >> and how
> >> good it is.  If anyone on the list could add some info to this, I
> >> would be
> >> welcomed.  I would like to know how it compares to Windows or MAC.
> >>
> >> Sean
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
> >> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:40 AM
> >> Subject: State of accessibility in Linux
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi all.
> >>> I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility
> >>> for linux
> >>> users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of  
> >>> having a
> >>> screen
> >>> reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case
> >>> now? Is
> >>> there a linux distribution where the installation is local and
> >>> accessible?
> >>> What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a linux
> >>> distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on
> >>> Microsoft.
> >>> One of these days...
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Speakup mailing list
> >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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Re: State of accessibility in linux

[sean murphy]

Scott,

Thanks for your feedback.  I have played with the MAC Voice Over Screen 
reader and is impressive for such a young product.

I must install gnome and play with the products available for XWindow.

You are correct in saying all OS Screen Readers have their own problems...

Sean

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Howell" <s.howell@verizon.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: State of accessibility in linux


> For Gnome there's Gnopernicus which at least as of the last time I
> tried it, it worked, but wasn't very efficient. I had real hopes that
> would be the case, but if your looking for a comparison between the
> gui-based Linux solutions and the Mac, the Mac would win hands down.
> I say this because so far KDE isn't accessible to my knowledge,
> Gnopernicus despite being a solution and a good one isn't really
> ready for daily use based on my experience, and I am sure this will
> improve with time. On the other hand, the Mac with VoiceOver is what
> I use daily and for a large number of tasks and its very good. Is it
> perfect? No, but then what adaptive solution is. They all have their
> issues, but you simply have to choose what works best for you. Now if
> your talking about access from the console, well Speakup will win
> everytime because there is truly an accessible solution if there ever
> was one. Speakup reigns supreme from the console providing more
> access than any other adaptive solution both gui or console-based.
> Now these are just my opinions and if you disagree, that's fine, I'm
> not looking to turn this into a pissing contest, just merely making
> some observations based on my experience.
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2006, at 6:52 AM, sean murphy wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>> The accessibility to Linux varies depending on which application
>> you are
>> using.  I know of four applications for the shell environment.
>>
>> Speakup
>> Emacs speak (its own desktop environment)
>> BRLTTY (only used with braille displays)
>> IBM (They have a screen reader which I know very little about)
>>
>> There is a XWindows screen reader, but I don't know much about it
>> and how
>> good it is.  If anyone on the list could add some info to this, I
>> would be
>> welcomed.  I would like to know how it compares to Windows or MAC.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:40 AM
>> Subject: State of accessibility in Linux
>>
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility
>>> for linux
>>> users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of having a
>>> screen
>>> reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case
>>> now? Is
>>> there a linux distribution where the installation is local and
>>> accessible?
>>> What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a linux
>>> distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on
>>> Microsoft.
>>> One of these days...
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Andrew Wagner]

So, any other thoughts on what especially needs done, to make speakup a
viable solution for more users who need accessibility? Thanks. Andrew

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Michael Whapples]

The specific problems I have when using speakup for everyday things, would 
not be solved by changes in speakup, but would require some other text based 
software. The problems are javascript that will be recognised by those 
awkward sites that expect specific browsers and seem to refuse anything else 
and a decent OCR package.

There may be some features to make speakup quicker and easier to use, but in 
my mind it works very well with the text console. If it were to work with 
the Xwindow environment, it would loose some of those features I like now 
(speech all the time whilst the computer is running).

From
Michael Whapples
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: State of accessibility in linux


So, any other thoughts on what especially needs done, to make speakup a
viable solution for more users who need accessibility? Thanks. Andrew

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Ralph W. Reid]

I have been using Slackware Linux with Speakup modified kernels for
some time now with what I would call very good results.  I have set up
systems on my own with no sighted assistance, build databases and
associated scripts using MySQL, set up an LAN of my own, browsed the
web, edited various types of files with various editors, logged into
remote systems to perform various tasks, and more, all thanks to
Speakup on text consoles.

Other projects seem to be addressing the GUI interface issues, so the
only major steps forward I can personally think of for Speakup at the
moment include support for USB hardware speech synthesizers, and for
software speech synthesizers to be easier to set up.  Software speech
synthesis seems to be moving forward, and I have read hints on this
list that USB connections are on at least one to-do list, so others
seem to be considering these issues as well :) .

HTH, and have a great day.

On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:36:07AM -0400, Andrew Wagner wrote:
> So, any other thoughts on what especially needs done, to make speakup a
> viable solution for more users who need accessibility? Thanks. Andrew
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Andrew Wagner]

Oops, typo. My question was supposed to be about making *Linux* a more
viable option for users who need accessibility. Sorry about that.

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Scott Howell]

That depends on what you mean. I don't think Speakup needs much more  
if really anything. If your looking at accessibility to the console  
and console-based apps, you'll find Speakup to be more than a viable  
solution. If you are referring to access to the gui, then Speakup  
isn't the tool. Not that it isn't possible, it wasn't written to be a  
Gnome or KDE access solution.
Accessibility is a matter of what your trying to accomplish and then  
finding the tools to do the job.


Scott



On May 26, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Andrew Wagner wrote:

> So, any other thoughts on what especially needs done, to make  
> speakup a
> viable solution for more users who need accessibility? Thanks. Andrew
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[John covici]

About all speakup needs is -- a find and dictionary and caps alert
while reading the screen would be nice.

on Friday 05/26/2006 Scott Howell(s.howell@verizon.net) wrote
 > That depends on what you mean. I don't think Speakup needs much more  
 > if really anything. If your looking at accessibility to the console  
 > and console-based apps, you'll find Speakup to be more than a viable  
 > solution. If you are referring to access to the gui, then Speakup  
 > isn't the tool. Not that it isn't possible, it wasn't written to be a  
 > Gnome or KDE access solution.
 > Accessibility is a matter of what your trying to accomplish and then  
 > finding the tools to do the job.
 > 
 > 
 > Scott
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > On May 26, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Andrew Wagner wrote:
 > 
 > > So, any other thoughts on what especially needs done, to make  
 > > speakup a
 > > viable solution for more users who need accessibility? Thanks. Andrew
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Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Samuel Thibault]

Scott Howell, le Thu 25 May 2006 13:01:10 -0400, a écrit :
> I say this because so far KDE isn't accessible to my knowledge,  

IIRC, KDE 4 will be.

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Scott Howell]

Ah that is good info and thanks for sharing that.


Scott



On May 26, 2006, at 8:25 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Scott Howell, le Thu 25 May 2006 13:01:10 -0400, a écrit :
>> I say this because so far KDE isn't accessible to my knowledge,
>
> IIRC, KDE 4 will be.
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Why are you comparing apples with potatoes?

What is you want to achieve? 

Gena
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 08:52:23PM +1000, sean murphy wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> The accessibility to Linux varies depending on which application you are 
> using.  I know of four applications for the shell environment.
> 
> Speakup
> Emacs speak (its own desktop environment)
> BRLTTY (only used with braille displays)
> IBM (They have a screen reader which I know very little about)
> 
> There is a XWindows screen reader, but I don't know much about it and how 
> good it is.  If anyone on the list could add some info to this, I would be 
> welcomed.  I would like to know how it compares to Windows or MAC.
> 
> Sean
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:40 AM
> Subject: State of accessibility in Linux
> 
> 
> > Hi all.
> > I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility for linux
> > users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of having a 
> > screen
> > reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case now? Is
> > there a linux distribution where the installation is local and accessible?
> > What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a linux
> > distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on Microsoft.
> > One of these days...
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: State of accessibility in linux

[David Poehlman]

I like voice over with shell.

On May 25, 2006, at 6:52 AM, sean murphy wrote:

Hi Andrew,

The accessibility to Linux varies depending on which application you are
using.  I know of four applications for the shell environment.

Speakup
Emacs speak (its own desktop environment)
BRLTTY (only used with braille displays)
IBM (They have a screen reader which I know very little about)

There is a XWindows screen reader, but I don't know much about it and  
how
good it is.  If anyone on the list could add some info to this, I  
would be
welcomed.  I would like to know how it compares to Windows or MAC.

Sean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:40 AM
Subject: State of accessibility in Linux


> Hi all.
> I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility for  
> linux
> users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of having a
> screen
> reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case  
> now? Is
> there a linux distribution where the installation is local and  
> accessible?
> What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a linux
> distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on  
> Microsoft.
> One of these days...
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


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Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Karen Lewellen]

Actually, are not there more Linux options too?
yassar, and e-lux and one more if I am not mistaken and I may be
voice over is great too, depending on what you want to do.  It like I 
suppose everything  save for DOS does not work with everything, grin.
Karen

On Sat, 27 May 2006, David Poehlman wrote:

> I like voice over with shell.
>
> On May 25, 2006, at 6:52 AM, sean murphy wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> The accessibility to Linux varies depending on which application you are
> using.  I know of four applications for the shell environment.
>
> Speakup
> Emacs speak (its own desktop environment)
> BRLTTY (only used with braille displays)
> IBM (They have a screen reader which I know very little about)
>
> There is a XWindows screen reader, but I don't know much about it and
> how
> good it is.  If anyone on the list could add some info to this, I
> would be
> welcomed.  I would like to know how it compares to Windows or MAC.
>
> Sean
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:40 AM
> Subject: State of accessibility in Linux
>
>
>> Hi all.
>> I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility for
>> linux
>> users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of having a
>> screen
>> reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case
>> now? Is
>> there a linux distribution where the installation is local and
>> accessible?
>> What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a linux
>> distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on
>> Microsoft.
>> One of these days...
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Ryan Mann]

Do you mean you actually like using Voice Over with the terminal?  
That's one thing I don't like about it because it doesn't read terminal 
automatically.  In my opinion,  one of the main things a screen reader 
should be able to do is to read things automatically.

Original message:
> I like voice over with shell.

> On May 25, 2006, at 6:52 AM, sean murphy wrote:

> Hi Andrew,

> The accessibility to Linux varies depending on which application you are
> using.  I know of four applications for the shell environment.

> Speakup
> Emacs speak (its own desktop environment)
> BRLTTY (only used with braille displays)
> IBM (They have a screen reader which I know very little about)

> There is a XWindows screen reader, but I don't know much about it and
> how
> good it is.  If anyone on the list could add some info to this, I
> would be
> welcomed.  I would like to know how it compares to Windows or MAC.

> Sean

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:40 AM
> Subject: State of accessibility in Linux


>> Hi all.
>> I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility for
>> linux
>> users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of having a
>> screen
>> reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case
>> now? Is
>> there a linux distribution where the installation is local and
>> accessible?
>> What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a linux
>> distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on
>> Microsoft.
>> One of these days...
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup



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Re: State of accessibility in linux

[LARRY SKUTCHAN]

Doesn't IBM have a script-based screen reader for GNOME in the works,
too?


>>> j.schmude@gmail.com Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:05:33 PM >>>
Hi Scott
With regard to Gnome accessibility, don't forget about the other  
screen reader, Orca. It has great potential and, at least for me, has 

superceded gnopernicus completely. It's scriptable and has  
independent cursor moving keys similar to speakup, with the ability  
to click the mouse where the cursor is as the windows screen readers  
do. Voiceover is still much more efficient at this point, yet Orca is 

getting better quite fast.
Just my $0.02


On May 25, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> For Gnome there's Gnopernicus which at least as of the last time I
> tried it, it worked, but wasn't very efficient. I had real hopes
that
> would be the case, but if your looking for a comparison between the
> gui-based Linux solutions and the Mac, the Mac would win hands down.
> I say this because so far KDE isn't accessible to my knowledge,
> Gnopernicus despite being a solution and a good one isn't really
> ready for daily use based on my experience, and I am sure this will
> improve with time. On the other hand, the Mac with VoiceOver is what
> I use daily and for a large number of tasks and its very good. Is it
> perfect? No, but then what adaptive solution is. They all have their
> issues, but you simply have to choose what works best for you. Now
if
> your talking about access from the console, well Speakup will win
> everytime because there is truly an accessible solution if there
ever
> was one. Speakup reigns supreme from the console providing more
> access than any other adaptive solution both gui or console-based.
> Now these are just my opinions and if you disagree, that's fine, I'm
> not looking to turn this into a pissing contest, just merely making
> some observations based on my experience.
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2006, at 6:52 AM, sean murphy wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>> The accessibility to Linux varies depending on which application
>> you are
>> using.  I know of four applications for the shell environment.
>>
>> Speakup
>> Emacs speak (its own desktop environment)
>> BRLTTY (only used with braille displays)
>> IBM (They have a screen reader which I know very little about)
>>
>> There is a XWindows screen reader, but I don't know much about it
>> and how
>> good it is.  If anyone on the list could add some info to this, I
>> would be
>> welcomed.  I would like to know how it compares to Windows or MAC.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andrew Wagner" <wagner.andrew@gmail.com>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:40 AM
>> Subject: State of accessibility in Linux
>>
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> I'm pretty new to this list. What is the state of accessibility
>>> for linux
>>> users? I read somewhere that there was at one time a goal of  
>>> having a
>>> screen
>>> reader that functioned from boot up to shut down. Is that the case
>>> now? Is
>>> there a linux distribution where the installation is local and
>>> accessible?
>>> What projects need to be done? I have a goal to find/create a
linux
>>> distribution to get my (blind) girlfriend off her dependency on
>>> Microsoft.
>>> One of these days...
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
>
>
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Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Ricky Enger]

Hi,
For information on Orca, check out the project home page at
http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca/

Despite the fact that Orca is pretty much still in the alpha stage, 
it's amazingly functional and easy to use, and works with most apps 
right out of the box without the need for scripting.

I'd strongly encourage anyone interested in exploring the Linux GUI 
environment to give it a try.

Ricky



At 06:45 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote:
>Where can I find information on Orca?  Thanks!
>
>Propaine

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[propaine]

Thank you!

Propaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ricky Enger" <renger@carolina.rr.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: State of accessibility in linux


> Hi,
> For information on Orca, check out the project home page at
> http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca/
> 
> Despite the fact that Orca is pretty much still in the alpha stage, 
> it's amazingly functional and easy to use, and works with most apps 
> right out of the box without the need for scripting.
> 
> I'd strongly encourage anyone interested in exploring the Linux GUI 
> environment to give it a try.
> 
> Ricky
> 
> 
> 
> At 06:45 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote:
> >Where can I find information on Orca?  Thanks!
> >
> >Propaine
> 
> 
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Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Marcel Oats]

Hi, would you say it's better than Gnopernicus?
Marcel

At 04:22 Ay M 1/06/2006, you wrote:
>Hi,
>For information on Orca, check out the project home page at
>http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca/
>
>Despite the fact that Orca is pretty much still in the alpha stage,
>it's amazingly functional and easy to use, and works with most apps
>right out of the box without the need for scripting.
>
>I'd strongly encourage anyone interested in exploring the Linux GUI
>environment to give it a try.
>
>Ricky
>
>
>
>At 06:45 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote:
> >Where can I find information on Orca?  Thanks!
> >
> >Propaine
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Ricky Enger]

Hi Marcel,
Orca is designed quite differently than Gnopernicus, and its major 
advantage is that there is almost no learning curve involved in terms 
of being able to use the screen reader.  Orca speaks most information 
automatically, and if there is a need for using flat review, you can 
activate it with a single keystroke.  At that point, the keystrokes 
for reviewing are much like those in Speakup.
Right now, web browsing is still a bit cumbersome, but everything 
else works quite well.  GAIM, Star/OpenOffice, email, file browsing, 
system administration tools, the list goes on and on.

To get more info about Orca, visit
http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca/

Ricky

At 03:56 PM 6/3/2006, you wrote:
>Hi, would you say it's better than Gnopernicus?
>Marcel
>
>At 04:22 Ay M 1/06/2006, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >For information on Orca, check out the project home page at
> >http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca/
> >
> >Despite the fact that Orca is pretty much still in the alpha stage,
> >it's amazingly functional and easy to use, and works with most apps
> >right out of the box without the need for scripting.
> >
> >I'd strongly encourage anyone interested in exploring the Linux GUI
> >environment to give it a try.
> >
> >Ricky
> >
> >
> >
> >At 06:45 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote:
> > >Where can I find information on Orca?  Thanks!
> > >
> > >Propaine
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Marcel Oats]

Hi, thanks for that, I'll check this out.  Interestingly, Ubuntu, 
which is what we are playing with at present, now has Gnopernicus 
available as part of their "assistive technology".  Pity they didn't 
consider Orca instead, though since it's only available in source, it 
could pose problems anyways for updating.

Thanks
Marcel

At 02:43 Ay M 5/06/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Marcel,
>Orca is designed quite differently than Gnopernicus, and its major
>advantage is that there is almost no learning curve involved in terms
>of being able to use the screen reader.  Orca speaks most information
>automatically, and if there is a need for using flat review, you can
>activate it with a single keystroke.  At that point, the keystrokes
>for reviewing are much like those in Speakup.
>Right now, web browsing is still a bit cumbersome, but everything
>else works quite well.  GAIM, Star/OpenOffice, email, file browsing,
>system administration tools, the list goes on and on.
>
>To get more info about Orca, visit
>http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca/
>
>Ricky
>
>At 03:56 PM 6/3/2006, you wrote:
> >Hi, would you say it's better than Gnopernicus?
> >Marcel
> >
> >At 04:22 Ay M 1/06/2006, you wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >For information on Orca, check out the project home page at
> > >http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca/
> > >
> > >Despite the fact that Orca is pretty much still in the alpha stage,
> > >it's amazingly functional and easy to use, and works with most apps
> > >right out of the box without the need for scripting.
> > >
> > >I'd strongly encourage anyone interested in exploring the Linux GUI
> > >environment to give it a try.
> > >
> > >Ricky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 06:45 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote:
> > > >Where can I find information on Orca?  Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >Propaine
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Al Puzzuoli]

Hello Marcel,

If you're using Ubuntu Dapper, then Orca is available in the universe 
repository.  The name of the package is actually gnome-orca, because Orca 
was already taken by another package; However, development is moving very 
rapidly.  The package currently in Universe was created a couple months ago, 
and is already significantly out of date, so you're probably better off 
either downloading the 0.2.4 source from  gnome.org, or getting the latest 
via gnome CVS by checking out the 'orca' module.

--Al

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marcel Oats" <moats@orcon.net.nz>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: State of accessibility in linux


> Hi, thanks for that, I'll check this out.  Interestingly, Ubuntu,
> which is what we are playing with at present, now has Gnopernicus
> available as part of their "assistive technology".  Pity they didn't
> consider Orca instead, though since it's only available in source, it
> could pose problems anyways for updating.
>
> Thanks
> Marcel
>
> At 02:43 Ay M 5/06/2006, you wrote:
>>Hi Marcel,
>>Orca is designed quite differently than Gnopernicus, and its major
>>advantage is that there is almost no learning curve involved in terms
>>of being able to use the screen reader.  Orca speaks most information
>>automatically, and if there is a need for using flat review, you can
>>activate it with a single keystroke.  At that point, the keystrokes
>>for reviewing are much like those in Speakup.
>>Right now, web browsing is still a bit cumbersome, but everything
>>else works quite well.  GAIM, Star/OpenOffice, email, file browsing,
>>system administration tools, the list goes on and on.
>>
>>To get more info about Orca, visit
>>http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca/
>>
>>Ricky
>>
>>At 03:56 PM 6/3/2006, you wrote:
>> >Hi, would you say it's better than Gnopernicus?
>> >Marcel
>> >
>> >At 04:22 Ay M 1/06/2006, you wrote:
>> > >Hi,
>> > >For information on Orca, check out the project home page at
>> > >http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca/
>> > >
>> > >Despite the fact that Orca is pretty much still in the alpha stage,
>> > >it's amazingly functional and easy to use, and works with most apps
>> > >right out of the box without the need for scripting.
>> > >
>> > >I'd strongly encourage anyone interested in exploring the Linux GUI
>> > >environment to give it a try.
>> > >
>> > >Ricky
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >At 06:45 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote:
>> > > >Where can I find information on Orca?  Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > >Propaine
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >_______________________________________________
>> > >Speakup mailing list
>> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Marcel Oats]

Hi Al, this is interesting.  I am wanting to install Ubuntu on a 
machine of my own so as I can fiddle with it and do these kinds of 
things myself.  I seem to be mistaken a lot of the time, but I 
believe there is no support for Speakup in Ubuntu yet, is that 
correct?  Their accessibility guide on ubuntu wiki is very limited, 
in that it tells us how to start gnopernicus from the live cd, that 
if you perform an install it is installed as well, and also that 
speech is not available during the graphical installer.
Their boot manager is interesting as well.  I need to get some eyes 
round here I guess, (smile).

Since it is debien-based, I guess there'd be nothing to stop me 
installing a speakup-enabled kernel.  Yes, I'd download Orca from 
source, possibly from cvs.
Anyway, enough rambling.

Marcel

At 12:56 PM 5/06/2006, you wrote:
>Hello Marcel,
>
>If you're using Ubuntu Dapper, then Orca is available in the universe
>repository.  The name of the package is actually gnome-orca, because Orca
>was already taken by another package; However, development is moving very
>rapidly.  The package currently in Universe was created a couple months ago,
>and is already significantly out of date, so you're probably better off
>either downloading the 0.2.4 source from  gnome.org, or getting the latest
>via gnome CVS by checking out the 'orca' module.
>
>--Al
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marcel Oats" <moats@orcon.net.nz>
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:12 PM
>Subject: Re: State of accessibility in linux
>
>
> > Hi, thanks for that, I'll check this out.  Interestingly, Ubuntu,
> > which is what we are playing with at present, now has Gnopernicus
> > available as part of their "assistive technology".  Pity they didn't
> > consider Orca instead, though since it's only available in source, it
> > could pose problems anyways for updating.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Marcel
> >
> > At 02:43 Ay M 5/06/2006, you wrote:
> >>Hi Marcel,
> >>Orca is designed quite differently than Gnopernicus, and its major
> >>advantage is that there is almost no learning curve involved in terms
> >>of being able to use the screen reader.  Orca speaks most information
> >>automatically, and if there is a need for using flat review, you can
> >>activate it with a single keystroke.  At that point, the keystrokes
> >>for reviewing are much like those in Speakup.
> >>Right now, web browsing is still a bit cumbersome, but everything
> >>else works quite well.  GAIM, Star/OpenOffice, email, file browsing,
> >>system administration tools, the list goes on and on.
> >>
> >>To get more info about Orca, visit
> >>http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca/
> >>
> >>Ricky
> >>
> >>At 03:56 PM 6/3/2006, you wrote:
> >> >Hi, would you say it's better than Gnopernicus?
> >> >Marcel
> >> >
> >> >At 04:22 Ay M 1/06/2006, you wrote:
> >> > >Hi,
> >> > >For information on Orca, check out the project home page at
> >> > >http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca/
> >> > >
> >> > >Despite the fact that Orca is pretty much still in the alpha stage,
> >> > >it's amazingly functional and easy to use, and works with most apps
> >> > >right out of the box without the need for scripting.
> >> > >
> >> > >I'd strongly encourage anyone interested in exploring the Linux GUI
> >> > >environment to give it a try.
> >> > >
> >> > >Ricky
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >At 06:45 PM 5/25/2006, you wrote:
> >> > > >Where can I find information on Orca?  Thanks!
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Propaine
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >_______________________________________________
> >> > >Speakup mailing list
> >> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: State of accessibility in linux

[Hynek Hanke]

Al Puzzuoli píše v Ne 04. 06. 2006 v 20:56 -0400:
> If you're using Ubuntu Dapper, then Orca is available in the universe 
> repository.  The name of the package is actually gnome-orca, because Orca 
> was already taken by another package;

Hi,

gnome-orca is not a correct name as Orca is not a Gnome screen reader
as far as I know although it is developed by Gnome and currently works
best with Gnome. KDE is also going to be accessible through Orca when
all the AT-SPI bridges are finished and tested.

With regards,
Hynek Hanke