software recommendation

software recommendation

[Charles Hallenbeck]

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Hi people,

I have recently installed a program that I am enthusiastic about and 
want to recommend it. It is a radical departure from everything you are 
familiar with, but it is a genuine improvement over most of the things I 
have been using to browse the web or navigate files and directories. 
Below is the first couple of paragraphs from the author's web site. The 
author is Karl Dahlke, and his site is karl@eklhad.net

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I believe, and I am in the minority on this one,
that totally blind users should employ command-line applications,
rather than pasting a screen reader on top of full-screen programs.
Manipulating the cursor via speech is irreparably inefficient.
To this end I have written a combination editor + browser + mail client 
that is
command-line interactive. You type something and the computer responds.
There is no screen, anywhere, ever.

This program is a re-implementation of ed, with browse capabilities 
built in.
You can edit a local file or a remote html document.
If you have retrieved an html file, the new command `b' browses the 
document,
rendering all the html tags in a blind-friendly manner.
If you are interested in all the formatting details,
use the undo command to revert back to the raw html.
Since it is a combined editor browser, it is called edbrowse.

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Here are three direct links, one to the manual, one to a binary package, 
and one to the source tarball. 

http://www.eklhad.net/linux/app/edbdoc.html
http://www.eklhad.net/linux/app/ee
http://www.eklhad.net/linux/app/edbrowse-2.2.10.zip

If you are comfortable with a line-oriented editor such as ed, you will 
have an easy time warming up to this package. I have been able to access 
sites which were not accessible to other browsers, and even my router is 
a pleasure to interact with. It has some javascript support, and a 
really nice way of completing forms and submitting them online. I have 
made it my preferred browser. 

Give it a look. It might be just what you are looking for. It is a GPL 
licensed product, of course. 

Chuck

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Re: software recommendation

[Tyler Spivey]

I also use this program for most of my web browsing under Linux. I don't
use its email features, because mutt is superior to it, and so is vim
when you want to edit character-based text. I used to be a die-hard ed
fan, but now I'm a mixed edbrowse/vim fan, so everything is going to
plan. If you need any help, let me know and I might be able to answer
your question.

Re: software recommendation

[Gregory Nowak]

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I'll admit to not having looked at the docs for this, but I don't
suppose the browser part of it can deal with javascript? Also, when
editing html, does the editor portion have the ability to recognize
heading, paragraphs, and so on, and is it then able to automatically
put in the html tags needed to generate an html page, so that someone
not familiar with html can nevertheless produce a simple set of html
pages with the editor?

Greg


On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:38:51PM -0800, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> I also use this program for most of my web browsing under Linux. I don't
> use its email features, because mutt is superior to it, and so is vim
> when you want to edit character-based text. I used to be a die-hard ed
> fan, but now I'm a mixed edbrowse/vim fan, so everything is going to
> plan. If you need any help, let me know and I might be able to answer
> your question.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: software recommendation

[Charles Hallenbeck]

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That is my experience too. The email support relies on an interactive 
fetchmail session, and there is no support for encryption/signing, so 
for the moment I too am sticking with mutt. The bookmarking works great, 
and the javascript support is working where it counts. But the fact that 
you can open a directory and step through its contents, descending into 
subdirectories and files, renaming or deleting them, etc., is a real 
plus for me. 

Chuck


On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:38:51PM -0800, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> I also use this program for most of my web browsing under Linux. I don't
> use its email features, because mutt is superior to it, and so is vim
> when you want to edit character-based text. I used to be a die-hard ed
> fan, but now I'm a mixed edbrowse/vim fan, so everything is going to
> plan. If you need any help, let me know and I might be able to answer
> your question.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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The Moon is Full
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Re: software recommendation

[Charles Hallenbeck]

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It does have javascript support, which is selectable from the command 
line. The support is not complete, but it selectively implements a few 
critical functions. The manual is well written and discusses these 
issues pretty thoroughly.

Your other question is definitely a "no". There are no advantages here 
for persons wishing to create html documents, except that once you have 
produced a raw html document, you can convert it to a browsable form and 
get very helpful diagnostics on the fly. The browsable form is read-only 
if the original is html, so to fix it, you have to "unbrowse" it and 
repair the html. But it's up to the user to know how to write html.

It's not a perfect solution for everything, but it is a real step 
forward for many tasks. 

Chuck


On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 07:08:11PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> I'll admit to not having looked at the docs for this, but I don't
> suppose the browser part of it can deal with javascript? Also, when
> editing html, does the editor portion have the ability to recognize
> heading, paragraphs, and so on, and is it then able to automatically
> put in the html tags needed to generate an html page, so that someone
> not familiar with html can nevertheless produce a simple set of html
> pages with the editor?
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:38:51PM -0800, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> > I also use this program for most of my web browsing under Linux. I don't
> > use its email features, because mutt is superior to it, and so is vim
> > when you want to edit character-based text. I used to be a die-hard ed
> > fan, but now I'm a mixed edbrowse/vim fan, so everything is going to
> > plan. If you need any help, let me know and I might be able to answer
> > your question.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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> web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org
> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc
> skype: gregn1
> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first)
> 
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> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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kernel config

[John G. Heim]

How do you folks configure a kernel? I need to compile a kernel and am 
dreading the  both the line driven config option and the menuconfig option.

Can I edit the config file by hand?

Re: kernel config

[Kirk Reiser]

Editting the .config file by hand is a sort of iffy business.  What
many of us do that compile a lot of various kernels is keep our most
recent .config file and drop it into the new kernels root directory
after running make mrproper and checking out speakup if you are using
it.  Once you've dropped the .config in the directory you run make
oldconfig which will only ask you questions that have been added to
linux since the previously built kernel.  Once that is done it is a
trivial matter to then run make menuconfig and go modify specific
configuration options.

  Kirk

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Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

History file copy for installing apollo2 synth!

[Paul Traynor]

Hi All,

Would anyone have a copy of their history file which would include the steps
for getting the apollo2 synth working with speakup and also making it
automatically talk afterwards when the computer is turned on. I need it for
a work machine.

Many thanks for help,

Paul.