help with install of debian and speakup!?

help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

Hay list,
I am trying to install speakup over an old copy of windows 98. I put in the boot disk, and booted to it. I did format c: /u, and things went good. now, when I take the disk out, I get diskett error, and I hit escape to continu, and it asks for a system disk, and won't do a thing until I have a system disk. It looks as if windows 98 isn't totally gone. Is there a way to get rid of this? I tried to find where in my bios that it was that you would set the drie boot order, dac I think it was, and... still no luck there either.
Thanks,

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Gregory Nowak]

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Well, if you did what you described, then windows is in fact gone, and
the message you're getting is in fact from the system bios. I don't
understand what you mean when you say you want to install debian over
windows 98, there is no such thing. You either install win98, or
debian, but you can't install one over the other. 

If you want win98 on your system, then you'll have to reinstall it
now, or restore a backup if you took the time to make one. If you want
to install debian, then you'll need to get rid of the fat32 partition,
and repartition the drive with a linux partition, and linux swap would
be recommended too. 

If you're going to install debian, then take the time to read the
extensive documentation for it at http://www.debian.org. This applies
to any gnu/linux distribution, not just debian. Also, the installation
procedure varies from distro to distro, so don't expect that just
because you now know how to install debian, that you'll also be able
to install slackware, fedora, ETC. in the same way. What you know
about how debian installs may make it easier for you to install
another distribution, but that's not a substitute for the other
distro's documentation. Gnu/linux isn't windows, where you can expect
to just pop the install cd in, and be installing it in 30 seconds
without ever having read a manual.

Greg


On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 10:10:46AM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> Hay list,
> I am trying to install speakup over an old copy of windows 98. I put in the boot disk, and booted to it. I did format c: /u, and things went good. now, when I take the disk out, I get diskett error, and I hit escape to continu, and it asks for a system disk, and won't do a thing until I have a system disk. It looks as if windows 98 isn't totally gone. Is there a way to get rid of this? I tried to find where in my bios that it was that you would set the drie boot order, dac I think it was, and... still no luck there either.
> Thanks,
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

OK, I reset the bios with the jumper, and restored defaults, every time I 
restart, I got rid of that invalid disk error, but now I see invalid system 
disk. Is there a floppy disk or something that will give me a linux-bootable 
partition?
Also, how do I know if this computer will boot from cds? is there a way to 
get a floppy to start the install? I think there is still some dos installed 
on there.
Thanks,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


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> Well, if you did what you described, then windows is in fact gone, and
> the message you're getting is in fact from the system bios. I don't
> understand what you mean when you say you want to install debian over
> windows 98, there is no such thing. You either install win98, or
> debian, but you can't install one over the other.
>
> If you want win98 on your system, then you'll have to reinstall it
> now, or restore a backup if you took the time to make one. If you want
> to install debian, then you'll need to get rid of the fat32 partition,
> and repartition the drive with a linux partition, and linux swap would
> be recommended too.
>
> If you're going to install debian, then take the time to read the
> extensive documentation for it at http://www.debian.org. This applies
> to any gnu/linux distribution, not just debian. Also, the installation
> procedure varies from distro to distro, so don't expect that just
> because you now know how to install debian, that you'll also be able
> to install slackware, fedora, ETC. in the same way. What you know
> about how debian installs may make it easier for you to install
> another distribution, but that's not a substitute for the other
> distro's documentation. Gnu/linux isn't windows, where you can expect
> to just pop the install cd in, and be installing it in 30 seconds
> without ever having read a manual.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 10:10:46AM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> Hay list,
>> I am trying to install speakup over an old copy of windows 98. I put in 
>> the boot disk, and booted to it. I did format c: /u, and things went 
>> good. now, when I take the disk out, I get diskett error, and I hit 
>> escape to continu, and it asks for a system disk, and won't do a thing 
>> until I have a system disk. It looks as if windows 98 isn't totally gone. 
>> Is there a way to get rid of this? I tried to find where in my bios that 
>> it was that you would set the drie boot order, dac I think it was, and... 
>> still no luck there either.
>> Thanks,
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

dude!
Your trippen.
remember google?
atlest that is what you told everyone on the programming list.
You totally don't understand what your doing. hell, half the time I  
don't know what the hell I',m doing. it takes read, learning reading  
some more and trial and error. at least is has for me and I'm been  
doing this computer gig for 12 years and got three certifications. I  
know it understand it, but i don't know it all and it just takes  
comprehensive reading my man.
On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> OK, I reset the bios with the jumper, and restored defaults, every  
> time I
> restart, I got rid of that invalid disk error, but now I see  
> invalid system
> disk. Is there a floppy disk or something that will give me a linux- 
> bootable
> partition?
> Also, how do I know if this computer will boot from cds? is there a  
> way to
> get a floppy to start the install? I think there is still some dos  
> installed
> on there.
> Thanks,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
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>> Well, if you did what you described, then windows is in fact gone,  
>> and
>> the message you're getting is in fact from the system bios. I don't
>> understand what you mean when you say you want to install debian over
>> windows 98, there is no such thing. You either install win98, or
>> debian, but you can't install one over the other.
>>
>> If you want win98 on your system, then you'll have to reinstall it
>> now, or restore a backup if you took the time to make one. If you  
>> want
>> to install debian, then you'll need to get rid of the fat32  
>> partition,
>> and repartition the drive with a linux partition, and linux swap  
>> would
>> be recommended too.
>>
>> If you're going to install debian, then take the time to read the
>> extensive documentation for it at http://www.debian.org. This applies
>> to any gnu/linux distribution, not just debian. Also, the  
>> installation
>> procedure varies from distro to distro, so don't expect that just
>> because you now know how to install debian, that you'll also be able
>> to install slackware, fedora, ETC. in the same way. What you know
>> about how debian installs may make it easier for you to install
>> another distribution, but that's not a substitute for the other
>> distro's documentation. Gnu/linux isn't windows, where you can expect
>> to just pop the install cd in, and be installing it in 30 seconds
>> without ever having read a manual.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 10:10:46AM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>> Hay list,
>>> I am trying to install speakup over an old copy of windows 98. I  
>>> put in
>>> the boot disk, and booted to it. I did format c: /u, and things went
>>> good. now, when I take the disk out, I get diskett error, and I hit
>>> escape to continu, and it asks for a system disk, and won't do a  
>>> thing
>>> until I have a system disk. It looks as if windows 98 isn't  
>>> totally gone.
>>> Is there a way to get rid of this? I tried to find where in my  
>>> bios that
>>> it was that you would set the drie boot order, dac I think it  
>>> was, and...
>>> still no luck there either.
>>> Thanks,
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

and u just straight wangsta homie!
I have tried google, like I said before, and this is the last time I tell
you this, because every question I ask you yell google, I use a list as a
last resort.
And, if like you said, your one of the big bad techs, and you have had 12
years linux exp... shouldn't you "know what your doing?"
Also, I haven't found much else. I think my sighted help is getting tired of
helping with linux, so I am trying to find a bit of information before I
have to get my sighted person to go back to the comp again. I reset the
jumper, and trashed the errors. things are good now, all but the system disk
error. I checked the bios, and device 1 is infact the cd drive... So, I am
stumped...
Thanks,Any help is really appriciated.
MSN: compgeek134
skype:
st8amnd127
THX,
Tyler 

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Lorenzo Taylor]

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According to Gregory Nowak:
# Gnu/linux isn't windows, where you can expect to just pop the install cd in,
# and be installing it in 30 seconds without ever having read a manual.

Actually, I found Debian Sarge to be much easier to install than Windows.
GNU/Linux installers have come a very long way since 2003 when I started using
Slackware, and I was actually able to figure out Slackware's installer then
without reading any documentation.  Granted, it wasn't as easy to install as
Windows at that time, but with the advances that have been made in the Debian
installer just over the last year, I have found it to be about the easiest
operating system to install, and that is taking Windows into consideration.

Lorenzo
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Gregory Nowak]

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Ok, I don't understand why you're resetting the bios. Going that route
just complicates things because you're now going from hardware that
you knew worked properly, to hardware which may or may not be working
properly now due to perhaps misconfigured cmos settings. I'll say this
again, go read debian's install docs. They're very well written,
almost to the point of repeatedly beleaguering every point from the perspective of
someone like myself, who has an idea of what he/she is doing.

As for if your machine can boot from cd-rom, there should be a boot
from cd option in your cmos setup. If not, you might be able to use
smart boot manager, for which I don't remember the url right now, to
boot from cd using a floppy disk. There are debian boot floppies, but
some recent posts to this list suggested that they're not
speakup-enabled.

Again, I can't say this enough, go read the docs.

Greg


On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 01:56:22PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> OK, I reset the bios with the jumper, and restored defaults, every time I 
> restart, I got rid of that invalid disk error, but now I see invalid system 
> disk. Is there a floppy disk or something that will give me a linux-bootable 
> partition?
> Also, how do I know if this computer will boot from cds? is there a way to 
> get a floppy to start the install? I think there is still some dos installed 
> on there.
> Thanks,

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Lorenzo Taylor]

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Somewhere in your BIOS settings there should be a boot order menu or else
entries for first boot device, second boot device, etc.  Be sure your floppy and
CD drives, in whatever order you like, boot before your hard drive.  If there is
no OS on your hard drive and your floppy and/or CD drive doesn't attemp to boot
first, you will get error messages and it will be impossible to install the OS
of your choice.  Some BIOS's allow booting from another device if the hard drive
fails, but I can't guarantee that they all do.  Your best bet is to have both
your floppy and CD drives boot before the hard drive.

HTH,
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

thats what I set it to, and I still get this invalid system disk thing... 
its like it wants windows 98 back. lol
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


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> Somewhere in your BIOS settings there should be a boot order menu or else
> entries for first boot device, second boot device, etc.  Be sure your 
> floppy and
> CD drives, in whatever order you like, boot before your hard drive.  If 
> there is
> no OS on your hard drive and your floppy and/or CD drive doesn't attemp to 
> boot
> first, you will get error messages and it will be impossible to install 
> the OS
> of your choice.  Some BIOS's allow booting from another device if the hard 
> drive
> fails, but I can't guarantee that they all do.  Your best bet is to have 
> both
> your floppy and CD drives boot before the hard drive.
>
> HTH,
> Lorenzo
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

I checked the docs, but I didn't see a whole lot on my error...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


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> Ok, I don't understand why you're resetting the bios. Going that route
> just complicates things because you're now going from hardware that
> you knew worked properly, to hardware which may or may not be working
> properly now due to perhaps misconfigured cmos settings. I'll say this
> again, go read debian's install docs. They're very well written,
> almost to the point of repeatedly beleaguering every point from the 
> perspective of
> someone like myself, who has an idea of what he/she is doing.
>
> As for if your machine can boot from cd-rom, there should be a boot
> from cd option in your cmos setup. If not, you might be able to use
> smart boot manager, for which I don't remember the url right now, to
> boot from cd using a floppy disk. There are debian boot floppies, but
> some recent posts to this list suggested that they're not
> speakup-enabled.
>
> Again, I can't say this enough, go read the docs.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 01:56:22PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> OK, I reset the bios with the jumper, and restored defaults, every time I
>> restart, I got rid of that invalid disk error, but now I see invalid 
>> system
>> disk. Is there a floppy disk or something that will give me a 
>> linux-bootable
>> partition?
>> Also, how do I know if this computer will boot from cds? is there a way 
>> to
>> get a floppy to start the install? I think there is still some dos 
>> installed
>> on there.
>> Thanks,
>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

BTW, its not with the install of linux that I am having the problem, I don't 
see how the docs are helping. I read them, and they jump into installation 
and stuff.. that would be good for me, if I could get the install to start. 
but as I can't get past these prompts...
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


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> Ok, I don't understand why you're resetting the bios. Going that route
> just complicates things because you're now going from hardware that
> you knew worked properly, to hardware which may or may not be working
> properly now due to perhaps misconfigured cmos settings. I'll say this
> again, go read debian's install docs. They're very well written,
> almost to the point of repeatedly beleaguering every point from the 
> perspective of
> someone like myself, who has an idea of what he/she is doing.
>
> As for if your machine can boot from cd-rom, there should be a boot
> from cd option in your cmos setup. If not, you might be able to use
> smart boot manager, for which I don't remember the url right now, to
> boot from cd using a floppy disk. There are debian boot floppies, but
> some recent posts to this list suggested that they're not
> speakup-enabled.
>
> Again, I can't say this enough, go read the docs.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 01:56:22PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> OK, I reset the bios with the jumper, and restored defaults, every time I
>> restart, I got rid of that invalid disk error, but now I see invalid 
>> system
>> disk. Is there a floppy disk or something that will give me a 
>> linux-bootable
>> partition?
>> Also, how do I know if this computer will boot from cds? is there a way 
>> to
>> get a floppy to start the install? I think there is still some dos 
>> installed
>> on there.
>> Thanks,
>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Gregory Nowak]

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I see. Let's go back a bit then. What did you do to get the install to
start?

What you should have done is to put the debian netinst cd into the
cd-rom drive, and reboot your machine. If you at that point got the
invalid disk error, or whatever error you got, you should have then
rebooted, gone into cmos, and checked if you have a boot from cd
option in the cmos menus. If you do, then that should have been set to
boot before the hard drive. What I do on my systems is to set the boot
order to cd-rom, floppy, first hard drive. Then, you should have saved
the settings, and tried again. If that didn't work, then I have to
conclude that perhaps for some reason your machine can't boot from
cd-rom. However, if the machine originally came with win98 installed,
then it is most likely new enough to be able to boot from cd-rom.

However, if it can't boot from cd-rom, then you'll need to find a
floppy image with smart boot manager in it, and write that out to a
floppy.

If you didn't do things in that way, then maybe you should tell us in
detail exactly what you did, so that we can make suggestions as to
where you should go from here.

Greg


On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 03:53:30PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> BTW, its not with the install of linux that I am having the problem, I don't 
> see how the docs are helping. I read them, and they jump into installation 
> and stuff.. that would be good for me, if I could get the install to start. 
> but as I can't get past these prompts...

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

thats how I did things. Now, I am sitting with a dos prompt on my screen, 
and I see drive f, (probably the one with the debian cd) and drive g, 
probably my cd burner. Is there a way I can start the install from here?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


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> I see. Let's go back a bit then. What did you do to get the install to
> start?
>
> What you should have done is to put the debian netinst cd into the
> cd-rom drive, and reboot your machine. If you at that point got the
> invalid disk error, or whatever error you got, you should have then
> rebooted, gone into cmos, and checked if you have a boot from cd
> option in the cmos menus. If you do, then that should have been set to
> boot before the hard drive. What I do on my systems is to set the boot
> order to cd-rom, floppy, first hard drive. Then, you should have saved
> the settings, and tried again. If that didn't work, then I have to
> conclude that perhaps for some reason your machine can't boot from
> cd-rom. However, if the machine originally came with win98 installed,
> then it is most likely new enough to be able to boot from cd-rom.
>
> However, if it can't boot from cd-rom, then you'll need to find a
> floppy image with smart boot manager in it, and write that out to a
> floppy.
>
> If you didn't do things in that way, then maybe you should tell us in
> detail exactly what you did, so that we can make suggestions as to
> where you should go from here.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 03:53:30PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> BTW, its not with the install of linux that I am having the problem, I 
>> don't
>> see how the docs are helping. I read them, and they jump into 
>> installation
>> and stuff.. that would be good for me, if I could get the install to 
>> start.
>> but as I can't get past these prompts...
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

for one its twelve years in computer technology in general. not  
linux. because the linux (and/or gnu) was not avalable to the blind  
just yet as we know it. so stop misspeaking something you  
miscommunicate.
On Jan 14, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> and u just straight wangsta homie!
> I have tried google, like I said before, and this is the last time  
> I tell
> you this, because every question I ask you yell google, I use a  
> list as a
> last resort.
> And, if like you said, your one of the big bad techs, and you have  
> had 12
> years linux exp... shouldn't you "know what your doing?"
> Also, I haven't found much else. I think my sighted help is getting  
> tired of
> helping with linux, so I am trying to find a bit of information  
> before I
> have to get my sighted person to go back to the comp again. I reset  
> the
> jumper, and trashed the errors. things are good now, all but the  
> system disk
> error. I checked the bios, and device 1 is infact the cd drive...  
> So, I am
> stumped...
> Thanks,Any help is really appriciated.
> MSN: compgeek134
> skype:
> st8amnd127
> THX,
> Tyler
>
>
>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

I run debian on a pentiium 66 mhz with 32ram. it is a great distro  
and very simple to install, I installed it over ftp and its simple.  
it again, as I stress, if you don't truely understand the technical  
aspect of it, takes allot of reading. for example, I'm having a hell  
of a time installing fedora, but i read, and read and read and keep  
trouble shoting. I just don't think ty understands how boot up works  
in general, hint, why he doesn't understand why he is getting an  
error msg ffrom the bios advising him that there is no os to boot on  
his hdd and he should either boot up off a cd, floppy or some other  
bootable device.

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

thats' odde, because I had to use the floppy boot option on my p66  
box and they worked for me on the unstable /test/beta version of sarge
On Jan 14, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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> Ok, I don't understand why you're resetting the bios. Going that route
> just complicates things because you're now going from hardware that
> you knew worked properly, to hardware which may or may not be working
> properly now due to perhaps misconfigured cmos settings. I'll say this
> again, go read debian's install docs. They're very well written,
> almost to the point of repeatedly beleaguering every point from the  
> perspective of
> someone like myself, who has an idea of what he/she is doing.
>
> As for if your machine can boot from cd-rom, there should be a boot
> from cd option in your cmos setup. If not, you might be able to use
> smart boot manager, for which I don't remember the url right now, to
> boot from cd using a floppy disk. There are debian boot floppies, but
> some recent posts to this list suggested that they're not
> speakup-enabled.
>
> Again, I can't say this enough, go read the docs.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 01:56:22PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> OK, I reset the bios with the jumper, and restored defaults, every  
>> time I
>> restart, I got rid of that invalid disk error, but now I see  
>> invalid system
>> disk. Is there a floppy disk or something that will give me a  
>> linux-bootable
>> partition?
>> Also, how do I know if this computer will boot from cds? is there  
>> a way to
>> get a floppy to start the install? I think there is still some dos  
>> installed
>> on there.
>> Thanks,
>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

Ty!
do you have a debian boot cd or boot floppy in the system when you  
start it?
On Jan 14, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> thats what I set it to, and I still get this invalid system disk  
> thing...
> its like it wants windows 98 back. lol
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:34 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
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>> Somewhere in your BIOS settings there should be a boot order menu  
>> or else
>> entries for first boot device, second boot device, etc.  Be sure your
>> floppy and
>> CD drives, in whatever order you like, boot before your hard  
>> drive.  If
>> there is
>> no OS on your hard drive and your floppy and/or CD drive doesn't  
>> attemp to
>> boot
>> first, you will get error messages and it will be impossible to  
>> install
>> the OS
>> of your choice.  Some BIOS's allow booting from another device if  
>> the hard
>> drive
>> fails, but I can't guarantee that they all do.  Your best bet is  
>> to have
>> both
>> your floppy and CD drives boot before the hard drive.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Lorenzo
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tom Moore]

I don't think Fedora will install on 32 megs of ram these days.
Think the minimum is either 64 or 128.

Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


>I run debian on a pentiium 66 mhz with 32ram. it is a great distro  
> and very simple to install, I installed it over ftp and its simple.  
> it again, as I stress, if you don't truely understand the technical  
> aspect of it, takes allot of reading. for example, I'm having a hell  
> of a time installing fedora, but i read, and read and read and keep  
> trouble shoting. I just don't think ty understands how boot up works  
> in general, hint, why he doesn't understand why he is getting an  
> error msg ffrom the bios advising him that there is no os to boot on  
> his hdd and he should either boot up off a cd, floppy or some other  
> bootable device.
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Re[2]: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Farhan]

The linux gui still isn't available yet.
The way I installed Debian, i burned  a debian cd and i had to use the
smartbootmgr.dsk file found on the slackware ftp site. I used the gui
version of rorite to write this file to a floppy. This writing to a
floppy was done on a windows xp computer, the computer i wanted to
install Debian on was a pentium 1 old crap machine i had here. The
issue i was having with my bios is any cd's wouldn't boot but floppies
would, if you figure out what i'm talking about, maybe this might work
for you, it worked for me, when you get the disk written you go down
five times with your cursor down key and you should land on the boot
from cd option. after booting the floppy

on1/14/2006BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net said  
for one its twelve years in computer technology in general. not  
linux. because the linux (and/or gnu) was not avalable to the blind  
just yet as we know it. so stop misspeaking something you  
miscommunicate.
On Jan 14, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> and u just straight wangsta homie!
> I have tried google, like I said before, and this is the last time  
> I tell
> you this, because every question I ask you yell google, I use a  
> list as a
> last resort.
> And, if like you said, your one of the big bad techs, and you have  
> had 12
> years linux exp... shouldn't you "know what your doing?"
> Also, I haven't found much else. I think my sighted help is getting  
> tired of
> helping with linux, so I am trying to find a bit of information  
> before I
> have to get my sighted person to go back to the comp again. I reset  
> the
> jumper, and trashed the errors. things are good now, all but the  
> system disk
> error. I checked the bios, and device 1 is infact the cd drive...  
> So, I am
> stumped...
> Thanks,Any help is really appriciated.
> MSN: compgeek134
> skype:
> st8amnd127
> THX,
> Tyler
>
>
>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

lol! this is your standard bios error when youu are not bootable off  
a valid boot media, weather it abe a boot cd, floppy, or hdd with an  
os on it. obviously since you formatted your hdd your only other  
choices is a linux boot floppy which hopefully let you install via  
ftp, or a set of install cds.
On Jan 14, 2006, at 3:50 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> I checked the docs, but I didn't see a whole lot on my error...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:34 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
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>> Ok, I don't understand why you're resetting the bios. Going that  
>> route
>> just complicates things because you're now going from hardware that
>> you knew worked properly, to hardware which may or may not be working
>> properly now due to perhaps misconfigured cmos settings. I'll say  
>> this
>> again, go read debian's install docs. They're very well written,
>> almost to the point of repeatedly beleaguering every point from the
>> perspective of
>> someone like myself, who has an idea of what he/she is doing.
>>
>> As for if your machine can boot from cd-rom, there should be a boot
>> from cd option in your cmos setup. If not, you might be able to use
>> smart boot manager, for which I don't remember the url right now, to
>> boot from cd using a floppy disk. There are debian boot floppies, but
>> some recent posts to this list suggested that they're not
>> speakup-enabled.
>>
>> Again, I can't say this enough, go read the docs.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 01:56:22PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>> OK, I reset the bios with the jumper, and restored defaults,  
>>> every time I
>>> restart, I got rid of that invalid disk error, but now I see invalid
>>> system
>>> disk. Is there a floppy disk or something that will give me a
>>> linux-bootable
>>> partition?
>>> Also, how do I know if this computer will boot from cds? is there  
>>> a way
>>> to
>>> get a floppy to start the install? I think there is still some dos
>>> installed
>>> on there.
>>> Thanks,
>>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

Its not a prompt its a bios error. Do? You? Have ? a? bootable cd? or  
floppy? that retains? a? installer of a distro????
On Jan 14, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> BTW, its not with the install of linux that I am having the  
> problem, I don't
> see how the docs are helping. I read them, and they jump into  
> installation
> and stuff.. that would be good for me, if I could get the install  
> to start.
> but as I can't get past these prompts...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:34 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Ok, I don't understand why you're resetting the bios. Going that  
>> route
>> just complicates things because you're now going from hardware that
>> you knew worked properly, to hardware which may or may not be working
>> properly now due to perhaps misconfigured cmos settings. I'll say  
>> this
>> again, go read debian's install docs. They're very well written,
>> almost to the point of repeatedly beleaguering every point from the
>> perspective of
>> someone like myself, who has an idea of what he/she is doing.
>>
>> As for if your machine can boot from cd-rom, there should be a boot
>> from cd option in your cmos setup. If not, you might be able to use
>> smart boot manager, for which I don't remember the url right now, to
>> boot from cd using a floppy disk. There are debian boot floppies, but
>> some recent posts to this list suggested that they're not
>> speakup-enabled.
>>
>> Again, I can't say this enough, go read the docs.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 01:56:22PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>> OK, I reset the bios with the jumper, and restored defaults,  
>>> every time I
>>> restart, I got rid of that invalid disk error, but now I see invalid
>>> system
>>> disk. Is there a floppy disk or something that will give me a
>>> linux-bootable
>>> partition?
>>> Also, how do I know if this computer will boot from cds? is there  
>>> a way
>>> to
>>> get a floppy to start the install? I think there is still some dos
>>> installed
>>> on there.
>>> Thanks,
>>
>> - --
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

I'm not trying to install fedora on a box that i alreayy have debian  
on. its my celeron 1.2 ghz, 256 ram in whichh i am having a horrible  
time with.
On Jan 14, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Tom Moore wrote:

> I don't think Fedora will install on 32 megs of ram these days.
> Think the minimum is either 64 or 128.
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> I run debian on a pentiium 66 mhz with 32ram. it is a great distro
>> and very simple to install, I installed it over ftp and its simple.
>> it again, as I stress, if you don't truely understand the technical
>> aspect of it, takes allot of reading. for example, I'm having a hell
>> of a time installing fedora, but i read, and read and read and keep
>> trouble shoting. I just don't think ty understands how boot up works
>> in general, hint, why he doesn't understand why he is getting an
>> error msg ffrom the bios advising him that there is no os to boot on
>> his hdd and he should either boot up off a cd, floppy or some other
>> bootable device.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tom Moore]

Can you do the telnet install from the other machine?

Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> I'm not trying to install fedora on a box that i alreayy have debian  
> on. its my celeron 1.2 ghz, 256 ram in whichh i am having a horrible  
> time with.
> On Jan 14, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Tom Moore wrote:
> 
>> I don't think Fedora will install on 32 megs of ram these days.
>> Think the minimum is either 64 or 128.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>
>>
>>> I run debian on a pentiium 66 mhz with 32ram. it is a great distro
>>> and very simple to install, I installed it over ftp and its simple.
>>> it again, as I stress, if you don't truely understand the technical
>>> aspect of it, takes allot of reading. for example, I'm having a hell
>>> of a time installing fedora, but i read, and read and read and keep
>>> trouble shoting. I just don't think ty understands how boot up works
>>> in general, hint, why he doesn't understand why he is getting an
>>> error msg ffrom the bios advising him that there is no os to boot on
>>> his hdd and he should either boot up off a cd, floppy or some other
>>> bootable device.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Umm -- I think Fedora needs more than 32 MB of ram to install. Maybe 
some Fedorists on the list can confirm that.


On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:40:27PM -0700, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:
 >I'm having a hell  
> of a time installing fedora, but i read, and read and read and keep  
> trouble shoting.


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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

well. thats what happens when you think huh? so, go back to your books, and 
leave it to the pros who can help.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


>I run debian on a pentiium 66 mhz with 32ram. it is a great distro
> and very simple to install, I installed it over ftp and its simple.
> it again, as I stress, if you don't truely understand the technical
> aspect of it, takes allot of reading. for example, I'm having a hell
> of a time installing fedora, but i read, and read and read and keep
> trouble shoting. I just don't think ty understands how boot up works
> in general, hint, why he doesn't understand why he is getting an
> error msg ffrom the bios advising him that there is no os to boot on
> his hdd and he should either boot up off a cd, floppy or some other
> bootable device.
>
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Re: Re[2]: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

Hello,
I have tom helping me via skype, he is doing the exact same thing as you are 
talking about.
Thx,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Farhan" <i.am.farhan@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:44 PM
Subject: Re[2]: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> The linux gui still isn't available yet.
> The way I installed Debian, i burned  a debian cd and i had to use the
> smartbootmgr.dsk file found on the slackware ftp site. I used the gui
> version of rorite to write this file to a floppy. This writing to a
> floppy was done on a windows xp computer, the computer i wanted to
> install Debian on was a pentium 1 old crap machine i had here. The
> issue i was having with my bios is any cd's wouldn't boot but floppies
> would, if you figure out what i'm talking about, maybe this might work
> for you, it worked for me, when you get the disk written you go down
> five times with your cursor down key and you should land on the boot
> from cd option. after booting the floppy
>
> on1/14/2006BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net said
> for one its twelve years in computer technology in general. not
> linux. because the linux (and/or gnu) was not avalable to the blind
> just yet as we know it. so stop misspeaking something you
> miscommunicate.
> On Jan 14, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>
>> and u just straight wangsta homie!
>> I have tried google, like I said before, and this is the last time
>> I tell
>> you this, because every question I ask you yell google, I use a
>> list as a
>> last resort.
>> And, if like you said, your one of the big bad techs, and you have
>> had 12
>> years linux exp... shouldn't you "know what your doing?"
>> Also, I haven't found much else. I think my sighted help is getting
>> tired of
>> helping with linux, so I am trying to find a bit of information
>> before I
>> have to get my sighted person to go back to the comp again. I reset
>> the
>> jumper, and trashed the errors. things are good now, all but the
>> system disk
>> error. I checked the bios, and device 1 is infact the cd drive...
>> So, I am
>> stumped...
>> Thanks,Any help is really appriciated.
>> MSN: compgeek134
>> skype:
>> st8amnd127
>> THX,
>> Tyler
>>
>>
>>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

When i use the cd, it gives me the error, the only way I get anything 
besides the invalid system disk is if I have the 98 boot disk in there, and 
it gives me a dos prompt.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> Ty!
> do you have a debian boot cd or boot floppy in the system when you
> start it?
> On Jan 14, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>
>> thats what I set it to, and I still get this invalid system disk
>> thing...
>> its like it wants windows 98 back. lol
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>
>>
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>>> Somewhere in your BIOS settings there should be a boot order menu
>>> or else
>>> entries for first boot device, second boot device, etc.  Be sure your
>>> floppy and
>>> CD drives, in whatever order you like, boot before your hard
>>> drive.  If
>>> there is
>>> no OS on your hard drive and your floppy and/or CD drive doesn't
>>> attemp to
>>> boot
>>> first, you will get error messages and it will be impossible to
>>> install
>>> the OS
>>> of your choice.  Some BIOS's allow booting from another device if
>>> the hard
>>> drive
>>> fails, but I can't guarantee that they all do.  Your best bet is
>>> to have
>>> both
>>> your floppy and CD drives boot before the hard drive.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>> Lorenzo
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

I could, if I could get the thing started... if your still on skype, I would 
ask that you help with that, (for security)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Moore" <tom@tomstroubleshooting.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> Can you do the telnet install from the other machine?
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> I'm not trying to install fedora on a box that i alreayy have debian
>> on. its my celeron 1.2 ghz, 256 ram in whichh i am having a horrible
>> time with.
>> On Jan 14, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Tom Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think Fedora will install on 32 megs of ram these days.
>>> Think the minimum is either 64 or 128.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I run debian on a pentiium 66 mhz with 32ram. it is a great distro
>>>> and very simple to install, I installed it over ftp and its simple.
>>>> it again, as I stress, if you don't truely understand the technical
>>>> aspect of it, takes allot of reading. for example, I'm having a hell
>>>> of a time installing fedora, but i read, and read and read and keep
>>>> trouble shoting. I just don't think ty understands how boot up works
>>>> in general, hint, why he doesn't understand why he is getting an
>>>> error msg ffrom the bios advising him that there is no os to boot on
>>>> his hdd and he should either boot up off a cd, floppy or some other
>>>> bootable device.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>>>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Gregory Nowak]

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I am only repeating what others have stated here not too long
ago. I've only used the iso myself to boot and install.

Greg


On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:42:40PM -0700, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:
> thats' odde, because I had to use the floppy boot option on my p66  
> box and they worked for me on the unstable /test/beta version of sarge

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Gregory Nowak]

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I'm confused. Are you still talking about installing debian, or are
you wanting to install fedora now? As far as I know, debian doesn't
have an install via telnet option. You can certainly install fedora
instead if you'd like, but this won't solve your boot problems,
especially since the speakup-enabled fedora has no boot floppies
available, though the standard fedora might, I don't know about that.

Greg


On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:32:46PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> I could, if I could get the thing started... if your still on skype, I would 
> ask that you help with that, (for security)

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

am still doing debian... I was informed of that. I think I may have fixed 
the debian problem. (thanks tom!)
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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


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> I'm confused. Are you still talking about installing debian, or are
> you wanting to install fedora now? As far as I know, debian doesn't
> have an install via telnet option. You can certainly install fedora
> instead if you'd like, but this won't solve your boot problems,
> especially since the speakup-enabled fedora has no boot floppies
> available, though the standard fedora might, I don't know about that.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:32:46PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> I could, if I could get the thing started... if your still on skype, I 
>> would
>> ask that you help with that, (for security)
>
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> skype: gregn1
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>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tom Moore]

The problem he had was the image he downloaded wasn't burned to the cd 
properly so we still don't know yet if there's a problem with his bios or 
not.
I suspect that once the image is burned properly things will work as 
expected.
Also he'll probably want to do a bit of reading of the install manual so 
that he'll know what to expect, or he can take it the way I did it nad 
install a few times til you get things the way you like.
>From what I can tell he is a young man and even though he is having problems 
early in the game I feel he will probably have something to offer the 
community in some way down the road.

Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tyler Littlefield" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> am still doing debian... I was informed of that. I think I may have fixed
> the debian problem. (thanks tom!)
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> I'm confused. Are you still talking about installing debian, or are
>> you wanting to install fedora now? As far as I know, debian doesn't
>> have an install via telnet option. You can certainly install fedora
>> instead if you'd like, but this won't solve your boot problems,
>> especially since the speakup-enabled fedora has no boot floppies
>> available, though the standard fedora might, I don't know about that.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:32:46PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>> I could, if I could get the thing started... if your still on skype, I
>>> would
>>> ask that you help with that, (for security)
>>
>> - -- 
>> web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org
>> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc
>> skype: gregn1
>> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first)
>>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

hay,
sorry for all the problems. I got ahold of winiso, and extracted the immage 
to a folder. I coppied and pasted to my writable cd folder, and then burned 
the cd... boom, things seem to be working... sorta. I have a question 
though, when I try to use the boot disk, it says boot failed, and then 
returns me to the same old prompt we have been talking about. Is this thing 
rigged to go to drive d? if so, how do I set my jumper to one hard drive? I 
have two harddrives in that computer, and think that might be the problem.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Moore" <tom@tomstroubleshooting.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> The problem he had was the image he downloaded wasn't burned to the cd
> properly so we still don't know yet if there's a problem with his bios or
> not.
> I suspect that once the image is burned properly things will work as
> expected.
> Also he'll probably want to do a bit of reading of the install manual so
> that he'll know what to expect, or he can take it the way I did it nad
> install a few times til you get things the way you like.
> From what I can tell he is a young man and even though he is having 
> problems
> early in the game I feel he will probably have something to offer the
> community in some way down the road.
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> am still doing debian... I was informed of that. I think I may have fixed
>> the debian problem. (thanks tom!)
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> I'm confused. Are you still talking about installing debian, or are
>>> you wanting to install fedora now? As far as I know, debian doesn't
>>> have an install via telnet option. You can certainly install fedora
>>> instead if you'd like, but this won't solve your boot problems,
>>> especially since the speakup-enabled fedora has no boot floppies
>>> available, though the standard fedora might, I don't know about that.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:32:46PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>>> I could, if I could get the thing started... if your still on skype, I
>>>> would
>>>> ask that you help with that, (for security)
>>>
>>> - -- 
>>> web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org
>>> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc
>>> skype: gregn1
>>> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first)
>>>
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Re[2]: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Farhan]

I no what yourproblem is now. You need to burn your iso with a real
burning program like Nero or ezy cd creator.

on1/14/2006Tyler Littlefield said  
hay,
sorry for all the problems. I got ahold of winiso, and extracted the immage 
to a folder. I coppied and pasted to my writable cd folder, and then burned 
the cd... boom, things seem to be working... sorta. I have a question 
though, when I try to use the boot disk, it says boot failed, and then 
returns me to the same old prompt we have been talking about. Is this thing 
rigged to go to drive d? if so, how do I set my jumper to one hard drive? I 
have two harddrives in that computer, and think that might be the problem.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Moore" <tom@tomstroubleshooting.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> The problem he had was the image he downloaded wasn't burned to the cd
> properly so we still don't know yet if there's a problem with his bios or
> not.
> I suspect that once the image is burned properly things will work as
> expected.
> Also he'll probably want to do a bit of reading of the install manual so
> that he'll know what to expect, or he can take it the way I did it nad
> install a few times til you get things the way you like.
> From what I can tell he is a young man and even though he is having 
> problems
> early in the game I feel he will probably have something to offer the
> community in some way down the road.
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> am still doing debian... I was informed of that. I think I may have fixed
>> the debian problem. (thanks tom!)
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> I'm confused. Are you still talking about installing debian, or are
>>> you wanting to install fedora now? As far as I know, debian doesn't
>>> have an install via telnet option. You can certainly install fedora
>>> instead if you'd like, but this won't solve your boot problems,
>>> especially since the speakup-enabled fedora has no boot floppies
>>> available, though the standard fedora might, I don't know about that.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:32:46PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>>> I could, if I could get the thing started... if your still on skype, I
>>>> would
>>>> ask that you help with that, (for security)
>>>
>>> - -- 
>>> web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org
>>> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc
>>> skype: gregn1
>>> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first)
>>>
>>> - --
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Lorenzo Taylor]

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Oh dear!  You don't want to extract the iso to a folder and then burn it to a
CD.  If you do, the CD won't be bootable.  There is a special boot image written
to a reserved sector on the CD that makes it bootable.  Simply copying and
pasting the files to the CD won't copy that image as far as I know.  You will
need to burn the iso directly.  But also note that when you burn the iso to the
CD, you need to be sure you have files and directories on the CD rather than a
single iso file.  Most CD burning software will burn the iso correctly, but it
is still wise to check to be sure it's correct.

HTH,
Lorenzo
- -- 
Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
		-- Mark Twain
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

no. the trouble I am having is
when it is doing its initial boot, I get an msg saying "Alps Touch  
pad detected disabling hardware tapping"

now, I had this problem when I was installing fc4 and That was with  
brltty. so now, I want to install the speakup fc3. but with the fc4  
issue I had to dusavke tge niyse devuce ub tge vuis abd tge fc4  
viited, but nothing I do with the fc3 will boot it. unless I research  
the boot commands ffor the boot prompt. the rescuee cd, the bootcd or  
install cd1 won't boot it with tts=ltlk,ttyS0. all I get is  
doubletalk started, speeking and then the error msg on my screen, the  
doubletalk doesn't even speak the error, it just speaks its startup  
msg. any ideas?
On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:01 PM, Tom Moore wrote:

> Can you do the telnet install from the other machine?
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> I'm not trying to install fedora on a box that i alreayy have debian
>> on. its my celeron 1.2 ghz, 256 ram in whichh i am having a horrible
>> time with.
>> On Jan 14, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Tom Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think Fedora will install on 32 megs of ram these days.
>>> Think the minimum is either 64 or 128.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I run debian on a pentiium 66 mhz with 32ram. it is a great distro
>>>> and very simple to install, I installed it over ftp and its simple.
>>>> it again, as I stress, if you don't truely understand the technical
>>>> aspect of it, takes allot of reading. for example, I'm having a  
>>>> hell
>>>> of a time installing fedora, but i read, and read and read and keep
>>>> trouble shoting. I just don't think ty understands how boot up  
>>>> works
>>>> in general, hint, why he doesn't understand why he is getting an
>>>> error msg ffrom the bios advising him that there is no os to  
>>>> boot on
>>>> his hdd and he should either boot up off a cd, floppy or some other
>>>> bootable device.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

why aren't you booting up wiith a linux boot flopy if you are trying  
to install linux off a cd. doesn't that make more sense then a dos  
boot cd?
On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:31 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> When i use the cd, it gives me the error, the only way I get anything
> besides the invalid system disk is if I have the 98 boot disk in  
> there, and
> it gives me a dos prompt.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:43 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> Ty!
>> do you have a debian boot cd or boot floppy in the system when you
>> start it?
>> On Jan 14, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>
>>> thats what I set it to, and I still get this invalid system disk
>>> thing...
>>> its like it wants windows 98 back. lol
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>>
>>>
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>>>> Somewhere in your BIOS settings there should be a boot order menu
>>>> or else
>>>> entries for first boot device, second boot device, etc.  Be sure  
>>>> your
>>>> floppy and
>>>> CD drives, in whatever order you like, boot before your hard
>>>> drive.  If
>>>> there is
>>>> no OS on your hard drive and your floppy and/or CD drive doesn't
>>>> attemp to
>>>> boot
>>>> first, you will get error messages and it will be impossible to
>>>> install
>>>> the OS
>>>> of your choice.  Some BIOS's allow booting from another device if
>>>> the hard
>>>> drive
>>>> fails, but I can't guarantee that they all do.  Your best bet is
>>>> to have
>>>> both
>>>> your floppy and CD drives boot before the hard drive.
>>>>
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Lorenzo
>>>> - --
>>>> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
>>>> -- Mark Twain
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

I agree with you, ty is a very sharp young man and is fantastic  
behind the keyboard in an ide. but, he is impatient and has a  
sarcastic aditutde for some reason. but is a sharp kid.
On Jan 14, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Tom Moore wrote:

> The problem he had was the image he downloaded wasn't burned to the cd
> properly so we still don't know yet if there's a problem with his  
> bios or
> not.
> I suspect that once the image is burned properly things will work as
> expected.
> Also he'll probably want to do a bit of reading of the install  
> manual so
> that he'll know what to expect, or he can take it the way I did it nad
> install a few times til you get things the way you like.
>> From what I can tell he is a young man and even though he is  
>> having problems
> early in the game I feel he will probably have something to offer the
> community in some way down the road.
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> am still doing debian... I was informed of that. I think I may  
>> have fixed
>> the debian problem. (thanks tom!)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>
>>
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>>> I'm confused. Are you still talking about installing debian, or are
>>> you wanting to install fedora now? As far as I know, debian doesn't
>>> have an install via telnet option. You can certainly install fedora
>>> instead if you'd like, but this won't solve your boot problems,
>>> especially since the speakup-enabled fedora has no boot floppies
>>> available, though the standard fedora might, I don't know about  
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:32:46PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>>> I could, if I could get the thing started... if your still on  
>>>> skype, I
>>>> would
>>>> ask that you help with that, (for security)
>>>
>>> - --
>>> web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org
>>> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc
>>> skype: gregn1
>>> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first)
>>>
>>> - --
>>> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org
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>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re[2]: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Farhan]

Feh, he isn't even using normal cd burning software,he's using the
crap that's in windows xp by default. oops?

on1/15/2006Lorenzo Taylor said  
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Oh dear!  You don't want to extract the iso to a folder and then burn it to a
CD.  If you do, the CD won't be bootable.  There is a special boot image written
to a reserved sector on the CD that makes it bootable.  Simply copying and
pasting the files to the CD won't copy that image as far as I know.  You will
need to burn the iso directly.  But also note that when you burn the iso to the
CD, you need to be sure you have files and directories on the CD rather than a
single iso file.  Most CD burning software will burn the iso correctly, but it
is still wise to check to be sure it's correct.

HTH,
Lorenzo
- -- 
Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
		-- Mark Twain
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Chris Norman]

Hay list,
I am trying to install speakup over an old copy of windows 98. I put in the 
boot disk, and booted to it. I did format c: /u, and things went good. now, 
when I take the disk out, I get diskett error, and I hit escape to continu, 
and it asks for a system disk, and won't do a thing until I have a system 
disk. It looks as if windows 98 isn't totally gone. Is there a way to get 
rid of this? I tried to find where in my bios that it was that you would set 
the drie boot order, dac I think it was, and... still no luck there either.
Thanks,

Silly question, and you're probably going to hate me for this, but have you 
read the installation guide?

HTH,

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

Do you know how you would "burn it" with winiso?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


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>
> Oh dear!  You don't want to extract the iso to a folder and then burn it 
> to a
> CD.  If you do, the CD won't be bootable.  There is a special boot image 
> written
> to a reserved sector on the CD that makes it bootable.  Simply copying and
> pasting the files to the CD won't copy that image as far as I know.  You 
> will
> need to burn the iso directly.  But also note that when you burn the iso 
> to the
> CD, you need to be sure you have files and directories on the CD rather 
> than a
> single iso file.  Most CD burning software will burn the iso correctly, 
> but it
> is still wise to check to be sure it's correct.
>
> HTH,
> Lorenzo
> - -- 
> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
> -- Mark Twain
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Re: Re[2]: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

lmfao!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Farhan" <i.am.farhan@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:49 AM
Subject: Re[2]: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> Feh, he isn't even using normal cd burning software,he's using the
> crap that's in windows xp by default. oops?
>
> on1/15/2006Lorenzo Taylor said
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> Oh dear!  You don't want to extract the iso to a folder and then burn it 
> to a
> CD.  If you do, the CD won't be bootable.  There is a special boot image 
> written
> to a reserved sector on the CD that makes it bootable.  Simply copying and
> pasting the files to the CD won't copy that image as far as I know.  You 
> will
> need to burn the iso directly.  But also note that when you burn the iso 
> to the
> CD, you need to be sure you have files and directories on the CD rather 
> than a
> single iso file.  Most CD burning software will burn the iso correctly, 
> but it
> is still wise to check to be sure it's correct.
>
> HTH,
> Lorenzo
> - -- 
> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
> -- Mark Twain
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

well, I would rather have the sarcastic attitude rather than think I know 
everything. I seem to get a little more help with jokes and humor rather 
than trying to be the bad ass.
But, I guess we have our own preferences...
Later,
~~TyLeR~~
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


>I agree with you, ty is a very sharp young man and is fantastic
> behind the keyboard in an ide. but, he is impatient and has a
> sarcastic aditutde for some reason. but is a sharp kid.
> On Jan 14, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Tom Moore wrote:
>
>> The problem he had was the image he downloaded wasn't burned to the cd
>> properly so we still don't know yet if there's a problem with his
>> bios or
>> not.
>> I suspect that once the image is burned properly things will work as
>> expected.
>> Also he'll probably want to do a bit of reading of the install
>> manual so
>> that he'll know what to expect, or he can take it the way I did it nad
>> install a few times til you get things the way you like.
>>> From what I can tell he is a young man and even though he is
>>> having problems
>> early in the game I feel he will probably have something to offer the
>> community in some way down the road.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>
>>
>>> am still doing debian... I was informed of that. I think I may
>>> have fixed
>>> the debian problem. (thanks tom!)
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>>
>>>
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>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> I'm confused. Are you still talking about installing debian, or are
>>>> you wanting to install fedora now? As far as I know, debian doesn't
>>>> have an install via telnet option. You can certainly install fedora
>>>> instead if you'd like, but this won't solve your boot problems,
>>>> especially since the speakup-enabled fedora has no boot floppies
>>>> available, though the standard fedora might, I don't know about
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:32:46PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>>>> I could, if I could get the thing started... if your still on
>>>>> skype, I
>>>>> would
>>>>> ask that you help with that, (for security)
>>>>
>>>> - --
>>>> web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org
>>>> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc
>>>> skype: gregn1
>>>> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first)
>>>>
>>>> - --
>>>> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org
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>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Lorenzo Taylor]

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Unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing about Winiso.  I am only somewhat
familiar with Nero, and it's been a couple of years and even more versions since
I last used it.  Sorry.  <smile>

Lorenzo
- -- 
Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
		-- Mark Twain
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

no prob. I read the DOCUMENTATION on it, and seen where you could write a 
wtb file, using the files... would this help much? it writes the boot 
information to a floppy... if so, what should I name it, so that windows 
will know what to do with it?
Thanks,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


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> Unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing about Winiso.  I am only somewhat
> familiar with Nero, and it's been a couple of years and even more versions 
> since
> I last used it.  Sorry.  <smile>
>
> Lorenzo
> - -- 
> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
> -- Mark Twain
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

win iso just lets you look at the files of a iso. it has nothing to  
do with burning. you need a real cd burning package like nero or ezcd  
creator. or.....
as said before use boot up floppies (linux of course not dos) and do  
a ftp install.
On Jan 15, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> Do you know how you would "burn it" with winiso?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:04 AM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Oh dear!  You don't want to extract the iso to a folder and then  
>> burn it
>> to a
>> CD.  If you do, the CD won't be bootable.  There is a special boot  
>> image
>> written
>> to a reserved sector on the CD that makes it bootable.  Simply  
>> copying and
>> pasting the files to the CD won't copy that image as far as I  
>> know.  You
>> will
>> need to burn the iso directly.  But also note that when you burn  
>> the iso
>> to the
>> CD, you need to be sure you have files and directories on the CD  
>> rather
>> than a
>> single iso file.  Most CD burning software will burn the iso  
>> correctly,
>> but it
>> is still wise to check to be sure it's correct.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Lorenzo
>> - --
>> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
>> -- Mark Twain
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
>>
>> iD8DBQFDygIqG9IpekrhBfIRAsqZAJ46znAZod/i+7diXtN7xkE72lX+jgCeIskK
>> my74WCUkx5TE2Q1In5k5R/c=
>> =bHiS
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Re[2]: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

were you just laughing at yourself?
On Jan 15, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> lmfao!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Farhan" <i.am.farhan@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:49 AM
> Subject: Re[2]: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> Feh, he isn't even using normal cd burning software,he's using the
>> crap that's in windows xp by default. oops?
>>
>> on1/15/2006Lorenzo Taylor said
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Oh dear!  You don't want to extract the iso to a folder and then  
>> burn it
>> to a
>> CD.  If you do, the CD won't be bootable.  There is a special boot  
>> image
>> written
>> to a reserved sector on the CD that makes it bootable.  Simply  
>> copying and
>> pasting the files to the CD won't copy that image as far as I  
>> know.  You
>> will
>> need to burn the iso directly.  But also note that when you burn  
>> the iso
>> to the
>> CD, you need to be sure you have files and directories on the CD  
>> rather
>> than a
>> single iso file.  Most CD burning software will burn the iso  
>> correctly,
>> but it
>> is still wise to check to be sure it's correct.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Lorenzo
>> - --
>> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
>> -- Mark Twain
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
>>
>> iD8DBQFDygIqG9IpekrhBfIRAsqZAJ46znAZod/i+7diXtN7xkE72lX+jgCeIskK
>> my74WCUkx5TE2Q1In5k5R/c=
>> =bHiS
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

no. because windows has nothing to do with this ty. YOU, have, to,  
take, windows, out, of, the, equation. the only thing you would use  
windows for is to burn the cd.
On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> no prob. I read the DOCUMENTATION on it, and seen where you could  
> write a
> wtb file, using the files... would this help much? it writes the boot
> information to a floppy... if so, what should I name it, so that  
> windows
> will know what to do with it?
> Thanks,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing about Winiso.  I am only  
>> somewhat
>> familiar with Nero, and it's been a couple of years and even more  
>> versions
>> since
>> I last used it.  Sorry.  <smile>
>>
>> Lorenzo
>> - --
>> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
>> -- Mark Twain
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
>>
>> iD8DBQFDypWrG9IpekrhBfIRAuqxAJ4jInchyjsUStGehXxONgPcLFx+JwCff1IW
>> OQiINpUOBIQm2iMYxRB+p/I=
>> =rurU
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

hay people, I got it... finally. Now, I have a question. Where do I start 
with config and etc? this is my first linux system. Also, is there a way to 
get my IP, so I can ssh into the system?
Thanks,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> no. because windows has nothing to do with this ty. YOU, have, to,
> take, windows, out, of, the, equation. the only thing you would use
> windows for is to burn the cd.
> On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>
>> no prob. I read the DOCUMENTATION on it, and seen where you could
>> write a
>> wtb file, using the files... would this help much? it writes the boot
>> information to a floppy... if so, what should I name it, so that
>> windows
>> will know what to do with it?
>> Thanks,
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing about Winiso.  I am only
>>> somewhat
>>> familiar with Nero, and it's been a couple of years and even more
>>> versions
>>> since
>>> I last used it.  Sorry.  <smile>
>>>
>>> Lorenzo
>>> - --
>>> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
>>> -- Mark Twain
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
>>>
>>> iD8DBQFDypWrG9IpekrhBfIRAuqxAJ4jInchyjsUStGehXxONgPcLFx+JwCff1IW
>>> OQiINpUOBIQm2iMYxRB+p/I=
>>> =rurU
>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Ty,

Do this as root:

apt-get install debian-reference-en

After that  finishes, do this:

man debian-reference

and it will tell you how to browse the latest version of the debian 
reference manual in English, where you will find answers to most of your 
questions.

Welcome to Linux!

Chuck



On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 03:17:12PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> hay people, I got it... finally. Now, I have a question. Where do I start 
> with config and etc? this is my first linux system. Also, is there a way to 
> get my IP, so I can ssh into the system?
> Thanks,
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
> 
> 
> > no. because windows has nothing to do with this ty. YOU, have, to,
> > take, windows, out, of, the, equation. the only thing you would use
> > windows for is to burn the cd.
> > On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> >
> >> no prob. I read the DOCUMENTATION on it, and seen where you could
> >> write a
> >> wtb file, using the files... would this help much? it writes the boot
> >> information to a floppy... if so, what should I name it, so that
> >> windows
> >> will know what to do with it?
> >> Thanks,
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:34 AM
> >> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >>> Hash: SHA1
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing about Winiso.  I am only
> >>> somewhat
> >>> familiar with Nero, and it's been a couple of years and even more
> >>> versions
> >>> since
> >>> I last used it.  Sorry.  <smile>
> >>>
> >>> Lorenzo
> >>> - --
> >>> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
> >>> -- Mark Twain
> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
> >>>
> >>> iD8DBQFDypWrG9IpekrhBfIRAuqxAJ4jInchyjsUStGehXxONgPcLFx+JwCff1IW
> >>> OQiINpUOBIQm2iMYxRB+p/I=
> >>> =rurU
> >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Speakup mailing list
> >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

explain what you mean by
"I got it"
Did you boot up off a boot disk, did you install a distro if so which  
one.
etc. specifics on this list will get you far.
On Jan 15, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> hay people, I got it... finally. Now, I have a question. Where do I  
> start
> with config and etc? this is my first linux system. Also, is there  
> a way to
> get my IP, so I can ssh into the system?
> Thanks,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> no. because windows has nothing to do with this ty. YOU, have, to,
>> take, windows, out, of, the, equation. the only thing you would use
>> windows for is to burn the cd.
>> On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>
>>> no prob. I read the DOCUMENTATION on it, and seen where you could
>>> write a
>>> wtb file, using the files... would this help much? it writes the  
>>> boot
>>> information to a floppy... if so, what should I name it, so that
>>> windows
>>> will know what to do with it?
>>> Thanks,
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:34 AM
>>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing about Winiso.  I am only
>>>> somewhat
>>>> familiar with Nero, and it's been a couple of years and even more
>>>> versions
>>>> since
>>>> I last used it.  Sorry.  <smile>
>>>>
>>>> Lorenzo
>>>> - --
>>>> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
>>>> -- Mark Twain
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
>>>>
>>>> iD8DBQFDypWrG9IpekrhBfIRAuqxAJ4jInchyjsUStGehXxONgPcLFx+JwCff1IW
>>>> OQiINpUOBIQm2iMYxRB+p/I=
>>>> =rurU
>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

OK, i went and did some research on how to install ssh. now, I am doing 
apt-get install ssh, and it is telling me the package is obsolete, or not 
found, I know I have a network connection, because I used the ping command. 
I did apt-get update, and still nothing. it said it failed to get some 
files, when I go look at /etc/apt/sources.list the only thing I see is a 
reference to the cdrom drive for some reason...
Thanks,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> Ty,
>
> Do this as root:
>
> apt-get install debian-reference-en
>
> After that  finishes, do this:
>
> man debian-reference
>
> and it will tell you how to browse the latest version of the debian
> reference manual in English, where you will find answers to most of your
> questions.
>
> Welcome to Linux!
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 03:17:12PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> hay people, I got it... finally. Now, I have a question. Where do I start
>> with config and etc? this is my first linux system. Also, is there a way 
>> to
>> get my IP, so I can ssh into the system?
>> Thanks,
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>
>>
>> > no. because windows has nothing to do with this ty. YOU, have, to,
>> > take, windows, out, of, the, equation. the only thing you would use
>> > windows for is to burn the cd.
>> > On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> >
>> >> no prob. I read the DOCUMENTATION on it, and seen where you could
>> >> write a
>> >> wtb file, using the files... would this help much? it writes the boot
>> >> information to a floppy... if so, what should I name it, so that
>> >> windows
>> >> will know what to do with it?
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
>> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:34 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> >>> Hash: SHA1
>> >>>
>> >>> Unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing about Winiso.  I am only
>> >>> somewhat
>> >>> familiar with Nero, and it's been a couple of years and even more
>> >>> versions
>> >>> since
>> >>> I last used it.  Sorry.  <smile>
>> >>>
>> >>> Lorenzo
>> >>> - --
>> >>> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
>> >>> -- Mark Twain
>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
>> >>>
>> >>> iD8DBQFDypWrG9IpekrhBfIRAuqxAJ4jInchyjsUStGehXxONgPcLFx+JwCff1IW
>> >>> OQiINpUOBIQm2iMYxRB+p/I=
>> >>> =rurU
>> >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Speakup mailing list
>> >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
> The Moon is Waning Gibbous (98% of Full)
> But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Okay,

You installed from CD evidently, so your sources.list file does not have 
the correct contents to search the network for stuff. It wants to search 
the CD you installed from.  Let me see if I can find you a sample of 
what the sources.list might contain to search the network instead of the 
CD.

-- 
The Moon is Waning Gibbous (98% of Full)
But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Ty,

Here is a copy of my own sources.list, which I have modified so it works 
for sarge instead of what I am using.

Notice that the first line is commented out with a hash mark, but the 
others are not. 

This should get you started. If you had done a net install instead of a 
CD install it would have been done for you by the installer.

----------

#deb file:///cdrom/ sarge non-free contrib main

deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge non-free contrib main
deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge non-free contrib main

deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main
deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main

deb http://people.debian.org/~shane/speakup/kernel ./

----------

Hope that helps.

Chuck


-- 
The Moon is Waning Gibbous (98% of Full)
But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Lorenzo Taylor]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

It seems you don't have a proper /etc/apt/sources.list.  Try running

apt-config

as root.  This should give you the chance to create your sources list.

Lorenzo
- -- 
Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
		-- Mark Twain
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Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

ok, How do I get this to my linux system?
LOL.
Thx,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> Ty,
> 
> Here is a copy of my own sources.list, which I have modified so it works 
> for sarge instead of what I am using.
> 
> Notice that the first line is commented out with a hash mark, but the 
> others are not. 
> 
> This should get you started. If you had done a net install instead of a 
> CD install it would have been done for you by the installer.
> 
> ----------
> 
> #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge non-free contrib main
> 
> deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge non-free contrib main
> deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge non-free contrib main
> 
> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main
> deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main
> 
> deb http://people.debian.org/~shane/speakup/kernel ./
> 
> ----------
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> -- 
> The Moon is Waning Gibbous (98% of Full)
> But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Beats me. 

-- 
The Moon is Waning Gibbous (98% of Full)
But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

in all do respect, unless i'm wrong my debiann sarge package came  
with a ssh demon. yours didn't? how did you do the innstall, what did  
you choose to install? what synth are you using?
On Jan 15, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> OK, i went and did some research on how to install ssh. now, I am  
> doing
> apt-get install ssh, and it is telling me the package is obsolete,  
> or not
> found, I know I have a network connection, because I used the ping  
> command.
> I did apt-get update, and still nothing. it said it failed to get some
> files, when I go look at /etc/apt/sources.list the only thing I see  
> is a
> reference to the cdrom drive for some reason...
> Thanks,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> Ty,
>>
>> Do this as root:
>>
>> apt-get install debian-reference-en
>>
>> After that  finishes, do this:
>>
>> man debian-reference
>>
>> and it will tell you how to browse the latest version of the debian
>> reference manual in English, where you will find answers to most  
>> of your
>> questions.
>>
>> Welcome to Linux!
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 03:17:12PM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>> hay people, I got it... finally. Now, I have a question. Where do  
>>> I start
>>> with config and etc? this is my first linux system. Also, is  
>>> there a way
>>> to
>>> get my IP, so I can ssh into the system?
>>> Thanks,
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>>
>>>
>>>> no. because windows has nothing to do with this ty. YOU, have, to,
>>>> take, windows, out, of, the, equation. the only thing you would use
>>>> windows for is to burn the cd.
>>>> On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> no prob. I read the DOCUMENTATION on it, and seen where you could
>>>>> write a
>>>>> wtb file, using the files... would this help much? it writes  
>>>>> the boot
>>>>> information to a floppy... if so, what should I name it, so that
>>>>> windows
>>>>> will know what to do with it?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
>>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing about Winiso.  I am only
>>>>>> somewhat
>>>>>> familiar with Nero, and it's been a couple of years and even more
>>>>>> versions
>>>>>> since
>>>>>> I last used it.  Sorry.  <smile>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lorenzo
>>>>>> - --
>>>>>> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
>>>>>> -- Mark Twain
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> iD8DBQFDypWrG9IpekrhBfIRAuqxAJ4jInchyjsUStGehXxONgPcLFx+JwCff1IW
>>>>>> OQiINpUOBIQm2iMYxRB+p/I=
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

I just figured out how to mound the floppy... (thank god for google!) I will 
put it on a floppy, use dos2unix, after I unwrap it, and then move it into 
the dir. Thx!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> Beats me.
>
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

That should work. But don't forget the suggestion Lorenzo made, which 
might be even easier.

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

OK, is there a dos2unix prog for windows? I haven't found it, and can't get 
it until apt is running.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> That should work. But don't forget the suggestion Lorenzo made, which
> might be even easier.
>
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> But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

The linux utilities are called "fromdos" and "todos" but they are in a 
package called sysutils which you have to get with apt-get also.

You know what I would do if I were you? I would start over again with a 
fresh install of Debian making sure I could get speech right out of the 
Debian box from the get-go.  

What CD did you use? Is it the speakup modified net-install disk 
everyone else uses? What hardware synth do you have to put on your 
Debian box? 

You can install Debian using speech and without sighted assistance, by 
starting like this once your installation disk reaches the boot prompt:

speakup speakup_synth=ltlk

where ltlk stands for the litetalk, or some other abbreviation if that 
is what you have. Then carefully follow the instructions, and be sure to 
pick "network install" instead of "install from CD" when the question 
arises.

It's no big deal to start over. Look at what you've already learned 
doing what you have done. Next time will be a snap.

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

lol, I have installed it with speech, but, someone said there were 14 cds. 
maybe if I do the network install, I can skip burning all of them... off to 
do that...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> The linux utilities are called "fromdos" and "todos" but they are in a
> package called sysutils which you have to get with apt-get also.
>
> You know what I would do if I were you? I would start over again with a
> fresh install of Debian making sure I could get speech right out of the
> Debian box from the get-go.
>
> What CD did you use? Is it the speakup modified net-install disk
> everyone else uses? What hardware synth do you have to put on your
> Debian box?
>
> You can install Debian using speech and without sighted assistance, by
> starting like this once your installation disk reaches the boot prompt:
>
> speakup speakup_synth=ltlk
>
> where ltlk stands for the litetalk, or some other abbreviation if that
> is what you have. Then carefully follow the instructions, and be sure to
> pick "network install" instead of "install from CD" when the question
> arises.
>
> It's no big deal to start over. Look at what you've already learned
> doing what you have done. Next time will be a snap.
>
> -- 
> The Moon is Waning Gibbous (98% of Full)
> But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tom Moore]

Another solution is to go get Deep Burner I think it is to write the iso 
image inwindows.

Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> win iso just lets you look at the files of a iso. it has nothing to
> do with burning. you need a real cd burning package like nero or ezcd
> creator. or.....
> as said before use boot up floppies (linux of course not dos) and do
> a ftp install.
> On Jan 15, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>
>> Do you know how you would "burn it" with winiso?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lorenzo Taylor" <lorenzo@taylor.homelinux.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>>
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> Oh dear!  You don't want to extract the iso to a folder and then
>>> burn it
>>> to a
>>> CD.  If you do, the CD won't be bootable.  There is a special boot
>>> image
>>> written
>>> to a reserved sector on the CD that makes it bootable.  Simply
>>> copying and
>>> pasting the files to the CD won't copy that image as far as I
>>> know.  You
>>> will
>>> need to burn the iso directly.  But also note that when you burn
>>> the iso
>>> to the
>>> CD, you need to be sure you have files and directories on the CD
>>> rather
>>> than a
>>> single iso file.  Most CD burning software will burn the iso
>>> correctly,
>>> but it
>>> is still wise to check to be sure it's correct.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>> Lorenzo
>>> - --
>>> Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
>>> -- Mark Twain
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>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Most of us who are using debian with speakup have only ever burned one 
CD, the network install CD, and the rest you get  a la carte as you need 
it from the Debian repositories. 

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Gregory Nowak]

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Actually, I'd recommend using the speakup26 target instead of the
speakup target, so you'll start off with a 2.6 kernel.

Greg


On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 07:41:14PM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> The linux utilities are called "fromdos" and "todos" but they are in a 
> package called sysutils which you have to get with apt-get also.
> 
> You know what I would do if I were you? I would start over again with a 
> fresh install of Debian making sure I could get speech right out of the 
> Debian box from the get-go.  
> 
> What CD did you use? Is it the speakup modified net-install disk 
> everyone else uses? What hardware synth do you have to put on your 
> Debian box? 
> 
> You can install Debian using speech and without sighted assistance, by 
> starting like this once your installation disk reaches the boot prompt:
> 
> speakup speakup_synth=ltlk
> 
> where ltlk stands for the litetalk, or some other abbreviation if that 
> is what you have. Then carefully follow the instructions, and be sure to 
> pick "network install" instead of "install from CD" when the question 
> arises.
> 
> It's no big deal to start over. Look at what you've already learned 
> doing what you have done. Next time will be a snap.
> 
> -- 
> The Moon is Waning Gibbous (98% of Full)
> But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

There is a problem with the speakup26 kernel, in that the mark/cut/paste 
feature crashes the system when you press cut. I recommend starting with 
the 2.4.27 kernel, then upgrading to one of the 2.6.12 kernels available 
on Shane's file space.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 06:34:05PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Actually, I'd recommend using the speakup26 target instead of the
> speakup target, so you'll start off with a 2.6 kernel.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 07:41:14PM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > The linux utilities are called "fromdos" and "todos" but they are in a 
> > package called sysutils which you have to get with apt-get also.
> > 
> > You know what I would do if I were you? I would start over again with a 
> > fresh install of Debian making sure I could get speech right out of the 
> > Debian box from the get-go.  
> > 
> > What CD did you use? Is it the speakup modified net-install disk 
> > everyone else uses? What hardware synth do you have to put on your 
> > Debian box? 
> > 
> > You can install Debian using speech and without sighted assistance, by 
> > starting like this once your installation disk reaches the boot prompt:
> > 
> > speakup speakup_synth=ltlk
> > 
> > where ltlk stands for the litetalk, or some other abbreviation if that 
> > is what you have. Then carefully follow the instructions, and be sure to 
> > pick "network install" instead of "install from CD" when the question 
> > arises.
> > 
> > It's no big deal to start over. Look at what you've already learned 
> > doing what you have done. Next time will be a snap.
> > 
> > -- 
> > The Moon is Waning Gibbous (98% of Full)
> > But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Tyler Littlefield]

I have a question, if I leave my comp up for a while, it will sorta just 
lock up the synth, I can still type in commands, but it just won't speak 
them to synth. any ideas?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> There is a problem with the speakup26 kernel, in that the mark/cut/paste
> feature crashes the system when you press cut. I recommend starting with
> the 2.4.27 kernel, then upgrading to one of the 2.6.12 kernels available
> on Shane's file space.
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 06:34:05PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Actually, I'd recommend using the speakup26 target instead of the
>> speakup target, so you'll start off with a 2.6 kernel.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 07:41:14PM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>> > The linux utilities are called "fromdos" and "todos" but they are in a
>> > package called sysutils which you have to get with apt-get also.
>> >
>> > You know what I would do if I were you? I would start over again with a
>> > fresh install of Debian making sure I could get speech right out of the
>> > Debian box from the get-go.
>> >
>> > What CD did you use? Is it the speakup modified net-install disk
>> > everyone else uses? What hardware synth do you have to put on your
>> > Debian box?
>> >
>> > You can install Debian using speech and without sighted assistance, by
>> > starting like this once your installation disk reaches the boot prompt:
>> >
>> > speakup speakup_synth=ltlk
>> >
>> > where ltlk stands for the litetalk, or some other abbreviation if that
>> > is what you have. Then carefully follow the instructions, and be sure 
>> > to
>> > pick "network install" instead of "install from CD" when the question
>> > arises.
>> >
>> > It's no big deal to start over. Look at what you've already learned
>> > doing what you have done. Next time will be a snap.
>> >
>> > -- 
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>> > But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
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>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

If you are logged in and at a prompt, you should hear a beep from your 
PC speaker when you hit the backspace key. Does that happen? 

On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 08:42:36AM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> I have a question, if I leave my comp up for a while, it will sorta just 
> lock up the synth, I can still type in commands, but it just won't speak 
> them to synth. any ideas?


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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Gregory Nowak]

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Yes, but I personally didn't see that as a good enough reason not
to use the speakup26 target.

Greg


On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 04:30:36AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> There is a problem with the speakup26 kernel, in that the mark/cut/paste 
> feature crashes the system when you press cut. I recommend starting with 
> the 2.4.27 kernel, then upgrading to one of the 2.6.12 kernels available 
> on Shane's file space.

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[tyler]

yes.
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?


> If you are logged in and at a prompt, you should hear a beep from your
> PC speaker when you hit the backspace key. Does that happen?
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 08:42:36AM -0700, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> I have a question, if I leave my comp up for a while, it will sorta just
>> lock up the synth, I can still type in commands, but it just won't speak
>> them to synth. any ideas?
>
>
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> But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Then you can be sure your keyboard is working. Next enter these two 
commands:

reset
stty sane

and if your console display was screwed up, that will unscrew it.

Now if your synth is still not working, we have at least eliminated some 
co;mmon problems that would also kill your speech. What is your synth? 
Turning it off and on again might help, but also you can ask speakup to 
reinitialize it. Here is the nitty gritty way to do that, although once 
you get up and running there may be simpler scripts to help.

Enter these two commands, being careful with the typing, of course:

echo "none" > /proc/speakup/synth_name

and then enter it again, substituting the official abbreviation of your 
particular synth. For instance, "ltlk" for the litetalk, "bns" for the 
braille and speak, "txprt" for the artic transport, etc.

Chuck

On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 04:41:27PM -0800, tyler wrote:
> yes.
> Tyler Littlefield.


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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[Jim Wantz]

I've got an even simpler suggestion.  Try apt-get install mtools (once you 
have a good /etc/apt/sources.list and you can do things like mdir a: and 
mcopy a:\filename .
I have mtools installed on both my Fedora and Debian systems--it works 
great.

      Jim Wantz
      WB0TFK



On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> I just figured out how to mound the floppy... (thank god for google!) I will
> put it on a floppy, use dos2unix, after I unwrap it, and then move it into
> the dir. Thx!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?
>
>
>> Beats me.
>>
>> --
>> The Moon is Waning Gibbous (98% of Full)
>> But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Thoughts on newbies getting stuck

[Debee Norling]

Since there are a lot of new beginners on this list, I'll make this comment
which is already obvious to the more advanced users.

If you are new to Linux and struggling to get it installed and/or want to
play with software speech, you should try fooling around with Oralux
	www.oralux.org

This is a Knoppix-based distro intended for blind users. It will not affect
any data on your hard disk as it boots from the CD-rom.  However anything
you want to preserve, such as scripts, text files or  downloaded data can
easily be saved to a hard disk, a USB flash drive or even a floppy.

You can test whether you can burn an iso because you must do so to get
Oralux going. You can also test if your Bios would boot an installation CD,
because if Oralux boots, then an install CD should as well. You can run a
batch file on the CD under Windows to create a floppy disk which will boot
the CD if you don't have sighted help to poke around in your BIOS settings.

You can test whether software speech will work on your system because it
boots up talking. You can learn Unix commands without messing anything up.
You can try examining interesting output, such as the results of dmesg,
because Knoppix is so good at hardware detection. This helped me figure out
what modules my hardware needed.

Oralux also supports hardware synthesizers  so you can try out your ports.
It supports most network cards without you having to do anything. It has oss
and alsa drivers so you can hear the difference.  It has emacspeak so you
can start learning emacs. It has a good FAQ that answers many beginner
questions I had when getting started a couple of years ago.

Oralux supports a Braille display which is great if software speech fails to
work and you have a Braille display. Braille is also great for reading those
darned case-specific man pages. Speakup isn't part of Oralux but
what you learn using Oralux helps you install a better distro with speakup.
You will discover for example that software speech is sluggish, and that
some synthesizers will not work with some sound cards. For example on a
modern laptop, using the oss drivers, flite simply squeaks at me, whereas it
works beautifully on an older system. Using the alsa drivers it sounds
great, though a bit slow, and on the same older system, it just crashes the
entire thing.

You can try typical tasks like FTP fetching files, writing C code or shell
scripts, browsing the web or designing a web page using tools under Oralux
and you can borrow any PC, such as one in a school computer lab to do so.

Oralux isn't going to replace Fedora, but the idea is that you use it to get
started. Also if you have to work on a computer you don't own you can still
use Linux with access. I currently use it to fool with emacs as I'm more
proficient in vi. I use it to access machines in the computer lab where I
work that aren't running any access technology. I used it to recently rescue
a system I'd managed to really screw up. I used it to telnet to my tivo to
fix a problem that made it crash regularly, and I used it to telnet to
another machine where I'd accidently made it boot up no longer talking.
More advanced users have depended on Oralux as a launching pad to get a full
distro installed on a second machine. I have also used it to test if I'd
gotten ssh running correctly on another computer that can only run NetBSD.

I have also used Oralux with my machine that has only one serial port so I
could have both speech and Braille for troubleshooting a problem.

--Debee

Re: Thoughts on newbies getting stuck

[hank smith]

how do you use oralux to get linux installed on a second machine?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Debee Norling" <debee@jfcl.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Thoughts on newbies getting stuck


> Since there are a lot of new beginners on this list, I'll make this 
> comment
> which is already obvious to the more advanced users.
>
> If you are new to Linux and struggling to get it installed and/or want to
> play with software speech, you should try fooling around with Oralux
> www.oralux.org
>
> This is a Knoppix-based distro intended for blind users. It will not 
> affect
> any data on your hard disk as it boots from the CD-rom.  However anything
> you want to preserve, such as scripts, text files or  downloaded data can
> easily be saved to a hard disk, a USB flash drive or even a floppy.
>
> You can test whether you can burn an iso because you must do so to get
> Oralux going. You can also test if your Bios would boot an installation 
> CD,
> because if Oralux boots, then an install CD should as well. You can run a
> batch file on the CD under Windows to create a floppy disk which will boot
> the CD if you don't have sighted help to poke around in your BIOS 
> settings.
>
> You can test whether software speech will work on your system because it
> boots up talking. You can learn Unix commands without messing anything up.
> You can try examining interesting output, such as the results of dmesg,
> because Knoppix is so good at hardware detection. This helped me figure 
> out
> what modules my hardware needed.
>
> Oralux also supports hardware synthesizers  so you can try out your ports.
> It supports most network cards without you having to do anything. It has 
> oss
> and alsa drivers so you can hear the difference.  It has emacspeak so you
> can start learning emacs. It has a good FAQ that answers many beginner
> questions I had when getting started a couple of years ago.
>
> Oralux supports a Braille display which is great if software speech fails 
> to
> work and you have a Braille display. Braille is also great for reading 
> those
> darned case-specific man pages. Speakup isn't part of Oralux but
> what you learn using Oralux helps you install a better distro with 
> speakup.
> You will discover for example that software speech is sluggish, and that
> some synthesizers will not work with some sound cards. For example on a
> modern laptop, using the oss drivers, flite simply squeaks at me, whereas 
> it
> works beautifully on an older system. Using the alsa drivers it sounds
> great, though a bit slow, and on the same older system, it just crashes 
> the
> entire thing.
>
> You can try typical tasks like FTP fetching files, writing C code or shell
> scripts, browsing the web or designing a web page using tools under Oralux
> and you can borrow any PC, such as one in a school computer lab to do so.
>
> Oralux isn't going to replace Fedora, but the idea is that you use it to 
> get
> started. Also if you have to work on a computer you don't own you can 
> still
> use Linux with access. I currently use it to fool with emacs as I'm more
> proficient in vi. I use it to access machines in the computer lab where I
> work that aren't running any access technology. I used it to recently 
> rescue
> a system I'd managed to really screw up. I used it to telnet to my tivo to
> fix a problem that made it crash regularly, and I used it to telnet to
> another machine where I'd accidently made it boot up no longer talking.
> More advanced users have depended on Oralux as a launching pad to get a 
> full
> distro installed on a second machine. I have also used it to test if I'd
> gotten ssh running correctly on another computer that can only run NetBSD.
>
> I have also used Oralux with my machine that has only one serial port so I
> could have both speech and Braille for troubleshooting a problem.
>
> --Debee
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[tony seth]

Well, glad ya got it up and running,  anyway... go ahead and disregard 
my message then... and welcome to the wonderful world of linux!

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Re: help with install of debian and speakup!?

[tony seth]

sorry if someone else answers your question, don't know which cd 
burning utility you may use, but since easy cd creator seems ot be 
found all kinds of places, I'll give instructions for using it to burn an iso.
Just start the program, from the project selector choose make a data 
cd, then when the application window opens, open the file menu and find 
the record from cd image choice hit enter onthat, and in the dialog box 
pay attention to the file time combo box, it'll probably have .cif as 
the file type, so alt down arrow to open the combo box, then down arrow 
to change the file type to iso, then shift tab back to the edit box 
you'd type in or browse to the location of the iso image, and hit enter.
The start recording dialog will come up, and it should be pretty self 
explanitory, but once you actually start recording, you may want to 
make the screen reader you use less chatty, as it will anounce status 
messages, that should pretty much do it.
Sorry for the long winded explanation.
hth

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