A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[jim grimsby]

The following is how the 
Document HOW to Install the Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution shows
how to use easy cd creator to create disks. 
1. Choose "File," "NEW DATA CD," and "Create CD from CD Image..." You'll
be presented with a dialog box.
2. Click on the "Files of type:" dropdown box and select "ISO Image
Files (*.ISO)"
3. Select the .ISO file you want to burn and then press "Open."
4. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
5. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
then press OK to begin creating your CD ROM. 
A easier way is 
1. using my computer select the image file you want to create. 
2. press shift_f10 and select record. 
3. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
4. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
then press OK to 
begin creating your CD ROM. 
Just an alternative.  Most users of easy cd creator have no idea it has
this feature and this is the only reason I bring it up. 
Hope it helps. 

Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

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You call that easy? <smile> Sounds like a Windows app to me. All that
pulling and clicking and dialoguing just to burn a CD? Wow!


On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, jim grimsby wrote:

> The following is how the
> Document HOW to Install the Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution shows
> how to use easy cd creator to create disks.
> 1. Choose "File," "NEW DATA CD," and "Create CD from CD Image..." You'll
> be presented with a dialog box.
> 2. Click on the "Files of type:" dropdown box and select "ISO Image
> Files (*.ISO)"
> 3. Select the .ISO file you want to burn and then press "Open."
> 4. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> 5. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> then press OK to begin creating your CD ROM.
> A easier way is
> 1. using my computer select the image file you want to create.
> 2. press shift_f10 and select record.
> 3. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> 4. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> then press OK to
> begin creating your CD ROM.
> Just an alternative.  Most users of easy cd creator have no idea it has
> this feature and this is the only reason I bring it up.
> Hope it helps.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Janina Sajka]

Thanks, Jim.

I'll replace the guidance with your suggestion in the next edition of
the Speakup Modified Installation HOWTO.

jim grimsby writes:
> The following is how the 
> Document HOW to Install the Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution shows
> how to use easy cd creator to create disks. 
> 1. Choose "File," "NEW DATA CD," and "Create CD from CD Image..." You'll
> be presented with a dialog box.
> 2. Click on the "Files of type:" dropdown box and select "ISO Image
> Files (*.ISO)"
> 3. Select the .ISO file you want to burn and then press "Open."
> 4. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> 5. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> then press OK to begin creating your CD ROM. 
> A easier way is 
> 1. using my computer select the image file you want to create. 
> 2. press shift_f10 and select record. 
> 3. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> 4. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> then press OK to 
> begin creating your CD ROM. 
> Just an alternative.  Most users of easy cd creator have no idea it has
> this feature and this is the only reason I bring it up. 
> Hope it helps. 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

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Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Janina Sajka]

Yeah, Chuck. I'm with you, man!

But, I caught such heat around here for not telling Windows users how to
use their OS to burn an iso image.

Finally, I had to take pity. After all, they are all trying to become
Linux users. But, I must admit, it gives me pause whether people who
can't explore a toolbar are going to succeed with man pages.

Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
> You call that easy? <smile> Sounds like a Windows app to me. All that
> pulling and clicking and dialoguing just to burn a CD? Wow!
> 
> 
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, jim grimsby wrote:
> 
> >The following is how the
> >Document HOW to Install the Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution shows
> >how to use easy cd creator to create disks.
> >1. Choose "File," "NEW DATA CD," and "Create CD from CD Image..." You'll
> >be presented with a dialog box.
> >2. Click on the "Files of type:" dropdown box and select "ISO Image
> >Files (*.ISO)"
> >3. Select the .ISO file you want to burn and then press "Open."
> >4. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> >5. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> >then press OK to begin creating your CD ROM.
> >A easier way is
> >1. using my computer select the image file you want to create.
> >2. press shift_f10 and select record.
> >3. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> >4. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> >then press OK to
> >begin creating your CD ROM.
> >Just an alternative.  Most users of easy cd creator have no idea it has
> >this feature and this is the only reason I bring it up.
> >Hope it helps.
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> -- 
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> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re[2]: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Farhan]

heh, i'm a good windows user, i'm not blind blind, whare i don't no how to save files or anything if i install a program i figure out how too use all 3 screenreaders, but this isnt a windows list so i'll shut up now, i want to get a job so i want to learn as much as i can.
on 4/6/2005 janina@rednote.netJanina Sajka
said
Yeah, Chuck. I'm with you, man!

But, I caught such heat around here for not telling Windows users how to
use their OS to burn an iso image.

Finally, I had to take pity. After all, they are all trying to become
Linux users. But, I must admit, it gives me pause whether people who
can't explore a toolbar are going to succeed with man pages.

Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
> You call that easy? <smile> Sounds like a Windows app to me. All that
> pulling and clicking and dialoguing just to burn a CD? Wow!
> 
> 
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, jim grimsby wrote:
> 
> >The following is how the
> >Document HOW to Install the Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution shows
> >how to use easy cd creator to create disks.
> >1. Choose "File," "NEW DATA CD," and "Create CD from CD Image..." You'll
> >be presented with a dialog box.
> >2. Click on the "Files of type:" dropdown box and select "ISO Image
> >Files (*.ISO)"
> >3. Select the .ISO file you want to burn and then press "Open."
> >4. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> >5. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> >then press OK to begin creating your CD ROM.
> >A easier way is
> >1. using my computer select the image file you want to create.
> >2. press shift_f10 and select record.
> >3. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> >4. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> >then press OK to
> >begin creating your CD ROM.
> >Just an alternative.  Most users of easy cd creator have no idea it has
> >this feature and this is the only reason I bring it up.
> >Hope it helps.
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> -- 
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (7% of Full)
> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

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Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Steve Holmes]

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Three screen readers? My God man, there goes well over $1,500 in a
puff!  Based on this original thread, I have a two step shell script
that I use to take a directory of files and end up with a nice single
session ISO CD with same files.  Took more setup at the beginning for
mkisofs but works like a champ now.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 09:38:35AM -0500, Farhan wrote:
> heh, i'm a good windows user, i'm not blind blind, whare i don't no how to save files or anything if i install a program i figure out how too use all 3 screenreaders, but this isnt a windows list so i'll shut up now, i want to get a job so i want to learn as much as i can.
> on 4/6/2005 janina@rednote.netJanina Sajka
> said
> Yeah, Chuck. I'm with you, man!
> 
> But, I caught such heat around here for not telling Windows users how to
> use their OS to burn an iso image.
> 
> Finally, I had to take pity. After all, they are all trying to become
> Linux users. But, I must admit, it gives me pause whether people who
> can't explore a toolbar are going to succeed with man pages.
> 
> Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
> > You call that easy? <smile> Sounds like a Windows app to me. All that
> > pulling and clicking and dialoguing just to burn a CD? Wow!
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, jim grimsby wrote:
> > 
> > >The following is how the
> > >Document HOW to Install the Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution shows
> > >how to use easy cd creator to create disks.
> > >1. Choose "File," "NEW DATA CD," and "Create CD from CD Image..." You'll
> > >be presented with a dialog box.
> > >2. Click on the "Files of type:" dropdown box and select "ISO Image
> > >Files (*.ISO)"
> > >3. Select the .ISO file you want to burn and then press "Open."
> > >4. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> > >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> > >5. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> > >then press OK to begin creating your CD ROM.
> > >A easier way is
> > >1. using my computer select the image file you want to create.
> > >2. press shift_f10 and select record.
> > >3. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> > >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> > >4. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> > >then press OK to
> > >begin creating your CD ROM.
> > >Just an alternative.  Most users of easy cd creator have no idea it has
> > >this feature and this is the only reason I bring it up.
> > >Hope it helps.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > -- 
> > The Moon is Waning Crescent (7% of Full)
> > "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> > Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
> 
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 

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RE: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[jim grimsby]

Three screen readers? My God man, there goes well over $1,500 in a puff!
More then that friend.  One of the big advantages I see in linux is the
blind person for the most part does not have to pay any more then a
sighted person to use there computer. 
  Based on this original thread, I have a two step shell script that I
use to take a directory of files and end up with a nice single session
ISO CD with same files.  Took more setup at the beginning for mkisofs
but works like a champ now.
Sounds like a nice script you might want to share it with us.  

On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 09:38:35AM -0500, Farhan wrote:
> heh, i'm a good windows user, i'm not blind blind, whare i don't no 
> how to save files or anything if i install a program i figure out how 
> too use all 3 screenreaders, but this isnt a windows list so i'll shut

> up now, i want to get a job so i want to learn as much as i can. on 
> 4/6/2005 janina@rednote.netJanina Sajka said Yeah, Chuck. I'm with 
> you, man!
> 
> But, I caught such heat around here for not telling Windows users how 
> to use their OS to burn an iso image.
> 
> Finally, I had to take pity. After all, they are all trying to become 
> Linux users. But, I must admit, it gives me pause whether people who 
> can't explore a toolbar are going to succeed with man pages.
> 
> Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
> > You call that easy? <smile> Sounds like a Windows app to me. All 
> > that pulling and clicking and dialoguing just to burn a CD? Wow!
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, jim grimsby wrote:
> > 
> > >The following is how the
> > >Document HOW to Install the Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution 
> > >shows how to use easy cd creator to create disks. 1. Choose "File,"

> > >"NEW DATA CD," and "Create CD from CD Image..." You'll be presented

> > >with a dialog box. 2. Click on the "Files of type:" dropdown box 
> > >and select "ISO Image Files (*.ISO)"
> > >3. Select the .ISO file you want to burn and then press "Open."
> > >4. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write
Method is
> > >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> > >5. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary,
and
> > >then press OK to begin creating your CD ROM.
> > >A easier way is
> > >1. using my computer select the image file you want to create.
> > >2. press shift_f10 and select record.
> > >3. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write
Method is
> > >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> > >4. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary,
and
> > >then press OK to
> > >begin creating your CD ROM.
> > >Just an alternative.  Most users of easy cd creator have no idea it
has
> > >this feature and this is the only reason I bring it up.
> > >Hope it helps.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > --
> > The Moon is Waning Crescent (7% of Full)
> > "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo
Emerson
> > Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC
http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group
(FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
> 
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different 
> problem.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Steve Holmes]

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On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 10:11:51AM -0700, jim grimsby wrote:
> Sounds like a nice script you might want to share it with us.  

This is obviously a work in progress with no documentation.  It has a
brief menu with 2 options and it prompts for user input.  I call it
cd-burn.  I will insert it below my next comment.

When you quote messages, could you please include a quoting symbol in
front of the quoted portions? Mutt has a really hot feature where you
can skip over quoted text to get to your current replies but it
depends on a quoting character to do this.  Presently, it is hard to
differentiate your quoted parts from your actual responses.
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#!/bin/sh
# General purpose CD burner script using crecord and mkisofs

make_iso1() {
echo
echo -n "Enter name of directory to copy files from: "
read -e INPUT
echo -n "Enter name of ISO file image: "
read -e ISOFILE
echo -n "Enter volume label: "
read -e VOLID
mkisofs -v -r -J -V $VOLID -o $ISOFILE $INPUT
}

write_data1() {
echo -n "Enter name of ISO file: "
read -e ISOFILE
cdrecord -v -eject -tao fs=8m -data $ISOFILE
}

# Main portion
CHOICE=""
while [ "$CHOICE" = "" ] ; do
    clear
    echo "CD Burner Main Menu"
    echo ""
    echo "1 - Build ISO image for single session CD"
    echo "2 - Burn a single session data CD"
    echo "X - Exit"
    echo ""
    echo -n "Enter choice: "
    read CHOICE
    case "$CHOICE" in
    1)
        make_iso1
    ;;
    2)
        write_data1
    ;;
    x)
    echo ""
        echo "Exitting CD burner script!"
	exit 0
    ;;
    esac
done
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Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Sean McMahon]

As a newcommer to the seen, toolbars don't get the focus well if at all.  Man
pages are easier once you figure out what the brackets mean.  When you read
linux docs, windows so-called help files look like crap.  I read up on how to
partition the disk from win encase I need to do that for my dool boot system
when I create it.  The help for this program didn't explain it's options and
didn't give definitions for it's unrecognizable terms.  I guess you always get
10 times the worth with free stuff.</rant>
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator


Yeah, Chuck. I'm with you, man!

But, I caught such heat around here for not telling Windows users how to
use their OS to burn an iso image.

Finally, I had to take pity. After all, they are all trying to become
Linux users. But, I must admit, it gives me pause whether people who
can't explore a toolbar are going to succeed with man pages.

Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
> You call that easy? <smile> Sounds like a Windows app to me. All that
> pulling and clicking and dialoguing just to burn a CD? Wow!
>
>
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, jim grimsby wrote:
>
> >The following is how the
> >Document HOW to Install the Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution shows
> >how to use easy cd creator to create disks.
> >1. Choose "File," "NEW DATA CD," and "Create CD from CD Image..." You'll
> >be presented with a dialog box.
> >2. Click on the "Files of type:" dropdown box and select "ISO Image
> >Files (*.ISO)"
> >3. Select the .ISO file you want to burn and then press "Open."
> >4. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> >5. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> >then press OK to begin creating your CD ROM.
> >A easier way is
> >1. using my computer select the image file you want to create.
> >2. press shift_f10 and select record.
> >3. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> >4. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> >then press OK to
> >begin creating your CD ROM.
> >Just an alternative.  Most users of easy cd creator have no idea it has
> >this feature and this is the only reason I bring it up.
> >Hope it helps.
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> -- 
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (7% of Full)
> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

> _______________________________________________
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Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org

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Re: Re[2]: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Sean McMahon]

Part of the problem with being good at windows is you only know what they want
you to know, no more.  Many things, like registry editing not covered by help
neither is the registry.  This is why linux is better.  When the program is
complex, you just have a blank screen which forces you to read docs.  When you
have buttons and dialogs, you only think you can do a few things because only
those options are put infront of you so you never rtfm.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Farhan" <i.am.farhan@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:38 AM
Subject: Re[2]: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator


heh, i'm a good windows user, i'm not blind blind, whare i don't no how to save
files or anything if i install a program i figure out how too use all 3
screenreaders, but this isnt a windows list so i'll shut up now, i want to get a
job so i want to learn as much as i can.
on 4/6/2005 janina@rednote.netJanina Sajka
said
Yeah, Chuck. I'm with you, man!

But, I caught such heat around here for not telling Windows users how to
use their OS to burn an iso image.

Finally, I had to take pity. After all, they are all trying to become
Linux users. But, I must admit, it gives me pause whether people who
can't explore a toolbar are going to succeed with man pages.

Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
> You call that easy? <smile> Sounds like a Windows app to me. All that
> pulling and clicking and dialoguing just to burn a CD? Wow!
>
>
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, jim grimsby wrote:
>
> >The following is how the
> >Document HOW to Install the Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution shows
> >how to use easy cd creator to create disks.
> >1. Choose "File," "NEW DATA CD," and "Create CD from CD Image..." You'll
> >be presented with a dialog box.
> >2. Click on the "Files of type:" dropdown box and select "ISO Image
> >Files (*.ISO)"
> >3. Select the .ISO file you want to burn and then press "Open."
> >4. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> >5. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> >then press OK to begin creating your CD ROM.
> >A easier way is
> >1. using my computer select the image file you want to create.
> >2. press shift_f10 and select record.
> >3. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> >4. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> >then press OK to
> >begin creating your CD ROM.
> >Just an alternative.  Most users of easy cd creator have no idea it has
> >this feature and this is the only reason I bring it up.
> >Hope it helps.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Sean McMahon]

May us lazy people view or download this iso making script from somewhere?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator


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Three screen readers? My God man, there goes well over $1,500 in a
puff!  Based on this original thread, I have a two step shell script
that I use to take a directory of files and end up with a nice single
session ISO CD with same files.  Took more setup at the beginning for
mkisofs but works like a champ now.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 09:38:35AM -0500, Farhan wrote:
> heh, i'm a good windows user, i'm not blind blind, whare i don't no how to
save files or anything if i install a program i figure out how too use all 3
screenreaders, but this isnt a windows list so i'll shut up now, i want to get a
job so i want to learn as much as i can.
> on 4/6/2005 janina@rednote.netJanina Sajka
> said
> Yeah, Chuck. I'm with you, man!
>
> But, I caught such heat around here for not telling Windows users how to
> use their OS to burn an iso image.
>
> Finally, I had to take pity. After all, they are all trying to become
> Linux users. But, I must admit, it gives me pause whether people who
> can't explore a toolbar are going to succeed with man pages.
>
> Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
> > You call that easy? <smile> Sounds like a Windows app to me. All that
> > pulling and clicking and dialoguing just to burn a CD? Wow!
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, jim grimsby wrote:
> >
> > >The following is how the
> > >Document HOW to Install the Speakup Modified Fedora Distribution shows
> > >how to use easy cd creator to create disks.
> > >1. Choose "File," "NEW DATA CD," and "Create CD from CD Image..." You'll
> > >be presented with a dialog box.
> > >2. Click on the "Files of type:" dropdown box and select "ISO Image
> > >Files (*.ISO)"
> > >3. Select the .ISO file you want to burn and then press "Open."
> > >4. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> > >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> > >5. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> > >then press OK to begin creating your CD ROM.
> > >A easier way is
> > >1. using my computer select the image file you want to create.
> > >2. press shift_f10 and select record.
> > >3. At the "CD Creation Setup" dialog box, make sure the Write Method is
> > >set to "Disc-At-Once" and Close CD.
> > >4. Select the desired write speed and create options, if necessary, and
> > >then press OK to
> > >begin creating your CD ROM.
> > >Just an alternative.  Most users of easy cd creator have no idea it has
> > >this feature and this is the only reason I bring it up.
> > >Hope it helps.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
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>
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Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

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On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 10:58:40AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> When you quote messages, could you please include a quoting symbol in
> front of the quoted portions? Mutt has a really hot feature where you
> can skip over quoted text to get to your current replies but it
> depends on a quoting character to do this.  Presently, it is hard to
> differentiate your quoted parts from your actual responses.

Yes, I have to second Steve's request as well.

Greg



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Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Sean McMahon]

What's the difference between disk-it-once and track-it-once.  I burned an iso
on win of the debian installer image both ways and couldn't tell if something
different came out with one option or the other.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator


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>
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 10:11:51AM -0700, jim grimsby wrote:
> > Sounds like a nice script you might want to share it with us.
>
> This is obviously a work in progress with no documentation.  It has a
> brief menu with 2 options and it prompts for user input.  I call it
> cd-burn.  I will insert it below my next comment.
>
> When you quote messages, could you please include a quoting symbol in
> front of the quoted portions? Mutt has a really hot feature where you
> can skip over quoted text to get to your current replies but it
> depends on a quoting character to do this.  Presently, it is hard to
> differentiate your quoted parts from your actual responses.
> - ----- Begin shell script -----
> #!/bin/sh
> # General purpose CD burner script using crecord and mkisofs
>
> make_iso1() {
> echo
> echo -n "Enter name of directory to copy files from: "
> read -e INPUT
> echo -n "Enter name of ISO file image: "
> read -e ISOFILE
> echo -n "Enter volume label: "
> read -e VOLID
> mkisofs -v -r -J -V $VOLID -o $ISOFILE $INPUT
> }
>
> write_data1() {
> echo -n "Enter name of ISO file: "
> read -e ISOFILE
> cdrecord -v -eject -tao fs=8m -data $ISOFILE
> }
>
> # Main portion
> CHOICE=""
> while [ "$CHOICE" = "" ] ; do
>     clear
>     echo "CD Burner Main Menu"
>     echo ""
>     echo "1 - Build ISO image for single session CD"
>     echo "2 - Burn a single session data CD"
>     echo "X - Exit"
>     echo ""
>     echo -n "Enter choice: "
>     read CHOICE
>     case "$CHOICE" in
>     1)
>         make_iso1
>     ;;
>     2)
>         write_data1
>     ;;
>     x)
>     echo ""
>         echo "Exitting CD burner script!"
> exit 0
>     ;;
>     esac
> done
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RE: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[jim grimsby]

As a newcommer to the seen, toolbars don't get the focus well if at all.
Well that is not true the quick launch is a tool bar so is the system
tray.  They get focus just fine.  
  Man pages are easier once you figure out what the brackets mean.  When
you read linux docs, windows so-called help files look like crap. 
Agreed there are a lot more ways to get help from within linux.  
 I read up on how to partition the disk from win encase I need to

RE: Re[2]: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[jim grimsby]

Part of the problem with being good at windows is you only know what
they want you to know, no more. 
I do not wish to get in to a windows verses linux conversation.  I think
we all have are own reasons for using what ever operating system we
choose.  For example I wish to build linux based computers and I am sick
of always having to pay for minor updates just to be able to use my
software.   Others are switching to linux because they do not like the
gui other switch because they like to work with source code.  What ever
the reason linux should have a package right for you.  I recommend that
you try a few as I have done and see witch is right for you.  I my self
am leaning towards sarge but others have there likes and dislikes. 
Linux also has a gui interface and for many users it works wonderful.
So I see no need to bash the gui interface. 
 Many things, like registry editing not covered by help
This is not true there are many help files on the Microsoft web sight
concerning registry editing.  There are also documentation on api vb
script many other thing.  So as in linux you can find out what you wish
to know very easily if you are willing to read the documentation.  It is
true that windows assumes the average user would not wish to edit the
registry so you have to download these help files but to say they are
not available is not true. 
 neither is the registry.  This is why linux is better.  When the
program is complex, you just have a blank screen which forces you to
read docs.  When you have buttons and dialogs, you only think you can do
a few things because only those options are put infront of you so you
never rtfm.
No what makes linux better is the choices it offers.  In windows yes you
have a command line you can use but the number of programs it works with
are very limited these days.  And while it is true that there are a
number of shells for windows that would change the look and feel of your
desktop once you start using these shell many windows programs will not
work.  Linux you have no  such problem you can switch from using gnome
to kde programs easily you have many desktop choices both in the text
mode and the graphical mode.  So to say the gui in windows is a bad
thing is not really a fair statement to say that the lack of choices in
windows is a fair statement.  Windows for some things is a good
operating systems.  Linux for most things is a wonderful operating
system and it is becoming much easier for an average non power user to
use.  Lindows for one has brought linux to the average sighted user in a
wonderful way using kde all hardware is plug and play the cnr warehouse
they use can get source code and build is for you with a singual click.
There again linux is better because of the choices.  Many of us on this
list would not like such a system.  But I can already tell you that when
and if such a system becomes accessible for the blind user I am going to
have a hi demand for such a system.  The fact is that once this happens
blind people are going to move away from windows and to linux in a big
way.  Two things are going to cause this.  One the high price of screen
readers for windows.  To the fact that the blind user can not install
his or her own operating system with out using a script and if some
thing goes wrong he has no idea what the problem is.  Once gnome or kde
has a browser that will provide the same functionality that internet
explorer provides threw the screen reader or other wise lets not wake up
that debate again  you are going to see a mass migration towards linux.
I know there are a lot of browsers for linux but from what I have been
reading freedom box still is providing the most access as a linux
browser.  I for one see no reason to pay to be on a network just to be
able to use the browser.  And that was the requirements the last time I
tested this browser out.  Maybe things have change.  
Well I am off my soap box. 

Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, 

Steve Holmes writes:
> Mutt has a really hot feature where you
> can skip over quoted text to get to your current replies but it
> depends on a quoting character to do this.

Do you know of a way to make the unquoted text the default display?

In other words, I'd like to see only the new text when I open a message
in Mutt and only toggle the quoted text into view if I need to pick up
some context.

I spent quite a bit of time on Saturday looking for a way to do this,
but came up empty. Best I could figure was to pipe messages through an
external display filter before displaying. That strategy seems to have
it's own builtin problem--as in how to say "don't invoke the filter and
redisplay?"

Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[W. Nick Dotson]

Those parameters are relevant to audio disks, "track at once" leaving user-definable gaps between "tracks" "cuts", 
and "disc at once" tending not to do that...

Nick


On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:28:09 -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:

What's the difference between disk-it-once and track-it-once.  I burned an iso
on win of the debian installer image both ways and couldn't tell if something
different came out with one option or the other.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator


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> On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 10:11:51AM -0700, jim grimsby wrote:
> > Sounds like a nice script you might want to share it with us.
>
> This is obviously a work in progress with no documentation.  It has a
> brief menu with 2 options and it prompts for user input.  I call it
> cd-burn.  I will insert it below my next comment.
>
> When you quote messages, could you please include a quoting symbol in
> front of the quoted portions? Mutt has a really hot feature where you
> can skip over quoted text to get to your current replies but it
> depends on a quoting character to do this.  Presently, it is hard to
> differentiate your quoted parts from your actual responses.
> - ----- Begin shell script -----
> #!/bin/sh
> # General purpose CD burner script using crecord and mkisofs
>
> make_iso1() {
> echo
> echo -n "Enter name of directory to copy files from: "
> read -e INPUT
> echo -n "Enter name of ISO file image: "
> read -e ISOFILE
> echo -n "Enter volume label: "
> read -e VOLID
> mkisofs -v -r -J -V $VOLID -o $ISOFILE $INPUT
> }
>
> write_data1() {
> echo -n "Enter name of ISO file: "
> read -e ISOFILE
> cdrecord -v -eject -tao fs=8m -data $ISOFILE
> }
>
> # Main portion
> CHOICE=""
> while [ "$CHOICE" = "" ] ; do
>     clear
>     echo "CD Burner Main Menu"
>     echo ""
>     echo "1 - Build ISO image for single session CD"
>     echo "2 - Burn a single session data CD"
>     echo "X - Exit"
>     echo ""
>     echo -n "Enter choice: "
>     read CHOICE
>     case "$CHOICE" in
>     1)
>         make_iso1
>     ;;
>     2)
>         write_data1
>     ;;
>     x)
>     echo ""
>         echo "Exitting CD burner script!"
> exit 0
>     ;;
>     esac
> done
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Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Steve Holmes]

Well I'm lazy too and that's why I just stuck it in this message.  If
you read it, then you got it.  Just save out the message and edit out
the other stuff.  That's why I put those separators in there it should
be a no brainer to cut it out.  If I upload it to a site for public
download, then I have to support it <sigh>.  I didn't say it would
work, did I?:)  All I know is it works on my machine with my default
settings for cdrecord.  I would consider publishing this when I add a
few more features and gee, maybe even some docs to go with it.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 12:21:00PM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> May us lazy people view or download this iso making script from somewhere?

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RE: Stradling Cultures--was: "Re[2]: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator"

[W. Nick Dotson]

I'm just wanting to speak for those of us who are trying to wind ourselves into the Linux OS; I hasten to say, not by any 
means for all of us--rather for those who have, used a variety of Operating Systems for work and avocational uses, but 
who are not, and don't aspire to be programmers...

I used Burroughs 6300 through 6700 systems using BMD programming language and punch cards as a Computer 
Science Major doing TriVariate analysis of factors related to (true) "Race Riots" in the largest 250 American Cities 1900 
to 1970...  That was in 1970, and my access method was "The Bed of Nails" to read the punch cards, and a reader for 
the resultant printouts...

In 1978 I used a TotalTalk with 300-baud modem to access BBS systems, and various mainframe systems to 
demonstrate to employers it could be done, as a Rehab Teacher for florida's Division of Blind Services.  In 1982 I started 
using a Classic VersaBraille (Cassette storage) and Apple II.  This showed proof of concept that I and 24 other blind 
counselors could use these devices to get client documentation into a print form equal to or better than the handwritten 
form sighted counselors gave to a Reagan reduced clerical staff thus saving our jobs...  In 1983 I ran a Summer 
Computer daycamp for blind children from 4 rural counties here in Northern fL, and the next year was asked to provide 
my curiculim to the State's Official Camp at the School for the blind in St. Augustine, when after the first week, they found 
that the kids had locally acquired knowledge of computer use locally at their school exceeding the intentions of those 
running the camp.  In 1985 I went to work for Visual Technologies supporting braille embossers and display units, in 1987 
all products recruiting hiring training and supervising support staff.  That brought me to IBM PC's in addition to Apples...  
Starting my own firm 6-16-89 to 12-31-02, starting with Windows 3.1 in 1991 or 92 to the present with XP...  From August 
96 to the present I've worked for Kurzweil Educational Systems.  And, Bill and Janinah helped me birth my first--hopefully 
there will be more--Linux Fedora box...

My point is, that I and many others, coming soon, will be wanting to learn about Linux.  Some of us were Pioneers, but 
some of us are older, and lacking in energy.  Perhaps, we want to learn, but neither have the time or energy that 
younger, perhaps more ambitious aggressive and energy-filled programmer types have to give toward the process of 
searching for and dealving into documentation.

My point is this: to what end Linux?  If it is merely something that programmer types play with, and can look down on 
those who lack their proclivities, tallents, and energetic focus, then, the OS isn't going to ever be getting the amount of 
"real productive work" being done by we "dummies" "weenies" whatever you wish to call us--who because of the 
necessities of work and avocational pursuits find ourselves getting things done with Windows; and if that's the case, I 
might as well just FDISK and Reformat my Linux box, forget about learning this OPerating system and ever getting any 
real work done with it.  However, it this is the grand OS, ye who have expertise proclaim it to be, then, for the rest of us, 
it, or educational materials, and resources have to be developed and made available.  

What I'm trying to say is, if this is going to be like Amateur Radio, "Do it the way we old timers did, or don't do it at all", 
then, like Amateur Radio, the Hobby will become marginalized, and become less a useful tool to those whom it say it 
seeks to serve.

It is one thing to encourage independent action; entirely another to escoriate those with differing capabilities, energy-
levels, proclivities, educations and working backgrounds, who are genuinely interested and seek to make use of this no 
doubt powerfull and useful Operating System.  Windows pays my salary, and allows me the time and money to find out 
how Linux might be of use to me and others, and the time and resources to spread the word with those with whom I 
come into contact--but only if I can make progress and not be daunted and stimied by the effort, and those from whom I 
was lead to believe I could seek assistance.  I read because I have nothing but untrameled ignorance of the OS and it's 
tools, yet the attitudes of the self-proclaimed experts is less than welcoming of We neophytes.

W. Nick Dotson

Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  Try shift t.  Unfortunately, you will have to press it for every
message, but it removes all lines that start with a > (greater than).

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 04:51:07PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> Steve Holmes writes:
> > Mutt has a really hot feature where you
> > can skip over quoted text to get to your current replies but it
> > depends on a quoting character to do this.
> 
> Do you know of a way to make the unquoted text the default display?
> 
> In other words, I'd like to see only the new text when I open a message
> in Mutt and only toggle the quoted text into view if I need to pick up
> some context.
> 
> I spent quite a bit of time on Saturday looking for a way to do this,
> but came up empty. Best I could figure was to pipe messages through an
> external display filter before displaying. That strategy seems to have
> it's own builtin problem--as in how to say "don't invoke the filter and
> redisplay?"
> 
> 
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Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Steve Holmes]

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On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 04:51:07PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> Do you know of a way to make the unquoted text the default display?
> 
> In other words, I'd like to see only the new text when I open a message
> in Mutt and only toggle the quoted text into view if I need to pick up
> some context.

You would ask me that <sigh>.  I know I've seen that ability mentioned
in mutt's documentation but I can't remember now how to do that.  If I
can recall though, there may be a command key to remove all quoted
text from the current view.  I generally just use the Shift-S key to
skip through and that has generally done me well.  I'm in emacs as I
edit this so can't look at the help index right now but I'll bet
there's something in there to do what I mentioned.

Sorry I couldn't be more informative.
- -- 
HolmesGrown Solutions
The best solutions for the best price!
http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
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Re: Stradling Cultures--was: "Re[2]: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator"

[Steve Holmes]

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I don't know who smugged you recently on here, but I admit there is
probably some self pride among those of us who may have got a lot of
this all figured out.  One point or two of disagreement with you goes
to documentation.  There's tones of documentation out there that
explains various fascets of Linux.  The problem is more, which thing
do I read for which question or problem.  Some docs are quite lengthy
and possibly overwelming to the reader who seeks a quick answer to his
/ her question.  I think another big divide between linux and windows
is user interfaces.  Many casual users (found around the windows camp
like the GUI and admittedly, it is easy to use for common tasks.
Where on the other hand, linux text based clients use command line
options.  The more powerful and flexible the program, the more options
there and consequently the more dificult it becomes.  I personally
think that will be the biggest stumbling block for new comers to
linux.  Linux has grown considerably in popularity thanks to GUI stuff
in Xwindows and I think largely Red Hat's package management
features.  But for some of us with some of that geek spirit inside,
there's still lots of room in linux with "under the hood distros like
Slackware and LFS where we can get down to the bare metal and tweak
thing ourselves too.  there's room for all kinds.

I look over just this list and I know there's some people who I don't
think are super technical like Ann Parsons, Cheryl Honiak who come
from teaching backgrounds (I believe) who use linux regularly but
aren't geeks by any means:).  Sorry gals for the name dropping:).

There may indeed be a fundamental culture difference between the typic
windows user and the typical linux user.  I could parallel this with
old time ham radio hobiests and perhaps CB or FRS users.  CB and FRS
users can pop in a radio, start using it and not worry about licenses,
exams, or any of that where the hams need to pass license exams, dig
into their equipment more, build their own antenas if so desired and
so on.

I have actually been quite successful with linux over the past 11
years but my first introduction meant a couple all day sessions with a
more experienced linux user at the very beginning to kinda jump start
me so to speak plus I messed with some unix shell accounts back then.
- From then on, I've pretty much taught myself entirely everything I
know about linux except for the much additional help I've picked up
from folks here on this list and my local linux users group mail list.

- -- 
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The best solutions for the best price!
http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
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Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Sean McMahon]

Yes I did see it.  btw, does anyone really support any software?  It seems very
handy I'll check it out once I get cdrecord working.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator


> Well I'm lazy too and that's why I just stuck it in this message.  If
> you read it, then you got it.  Just save out the message and edit out
> the other stuff.  That's why I put those separators in there it should
> be a no brainer to cut it out.  If I upload it to a site for public
> download, then I have to support it <sigh>.  I didn't say it would
> work, did I?:)  All I know is it works on my machine with my default
> settings for cdrecord.  I would consider publishing this when I add a
> few more features and gee, maybe even some docs to go with it.
>
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 12:21:00PM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> > May us lazy people view or download this iso making script from somewhere?
>
> -- 
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RE: Stradling Cultures--was: "Re[2]: A easier way to create cd'susing easy cd creator"

[Chris Hofstader]

I'm probably in a fairly unique position here.  I have worked professionally
with both Windows at FS and GNU/Linux when I worked with Stallman years ago.
I think GNU/Linux is more friendly to we hackers because it has such an
extensive set of really cool tools.  It is also not much less friendly than
DOS where Windows falls somewhere in between.  

It's good to see a KESI person on this list, I feel a little less lonely.
Maybe we can convince a Duxbury person to show up too. 

Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Janina Sajka]

No, no, that's exactly the problem. I don't want to have to type a cap T
after displaying the message. I want the filter invoked by default when
I request the message to be displayed.

In other words, I want cap T to be the default. Then, I can hit a cap T
if I want to see all the quotes.

PS: I've remapped it to tick, because cap T is a bit hard to type.

Kenny Hitt writes:
> Hi.  Try shift t.  Unfortunately, you will have to press it for every
> message, but it removes all lines that start with a > (greater than).
> 
> Hope this helps.
>           Kenny
> 	  
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 04:51:07PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > Steve Holmes writes:
> > > Mutt has a really hot feature where you
> > > can skip over quoted text to get to your current replies but it
> > > depends on a quoting character to do this.
> > 
> > Do you know of a way to make the unquoted text the default display?
> > 
> > In other words, I'd like to see only the new text when I open a message
> > in Mutt and only toggle the quoted text into view if I need to pick up
> > some context.
> > 
> > I spent quite a bit of time on Saturday looking for a way to do this,
> > but came up empty. Best I could figure was to pipe messages through an
> > external display filter before displaying. That strategy seems to have
> > it's own builtin problem--as in how to say "don't invoke the filter and
> > redisplay?"
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Janina Sajka]

I looked hard in the docs, but didn't find how to do this. I even
Googled with several searches.

Found some fun things, but not this.

PS: New fun thing, providing an "expires-on" tag in the message header.
For those messages it's useful to keep for a week or two.

Steve Holmes writes:
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> 
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 04:51:07PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > Do you know of a way to make the unquoted text the default display?
> > 
> > In other words, I'd like to see only the new text when I open a message
> > in Mutt and only toggle the quoted text into view if I need to pick up
> > some context.
> 
> You would ask me that <sigh>.  I know I've seen that ability mentioned
> in mutt's documentation but I can't remember now how to do that.  If I
> can recall though, there may be a command key to remove all quoted
> text from the current view.  I generally just use the Shift-S key to
> skip through and that has generally done me well.  I'm in emacs as I
> edit this so can't look at the help index right now but I'll bet
> there's something in there to do what I mentioned.
> 
> Sorry I couldn't be more informative.
> - -- 
> HolmesGrown Solutions
> The best solutions for the best price!
> http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Sergei V. Fleytin]

Hello, list,

For those of you who need an easy way to burn a CD under linux but
don't want to mess with all kinds of menus and choices I would
recommend a package called "burn" which I personally use. It is a very
easy to use yet powerful frontend written in python that allows you to
do a lot of things. Debian users can find ready to use package for
this tool and others can go to

http://www.bigpaul.org/burn/

-- 
With best regards, Sergei.

misc linux questions -- was: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Laura Eaves]

Hi all --
With all the discussion of CD burning being so difficult on linux, has 
anyone successfully burned a DVD?
I just purchased a pc with a DVD burner and hope to put linux on it, and it 
would be nice if I could use the DVD burner -- not necessarily to copy 
movies, but to store other things.
Just curious.  When it gets here I will be diving into the linux thing in 
earnest -- up till now i have been lurking but haven't had a machine to work 
with.

Also, I have a question about file systems and partitioning.
Someone on the list told me privately that you can't put 2 different file 
system formats on the same hard drive -- such as fat32 and ntfs or whatever. 
Is that true?  I have a large HD and wanted both linux and XP pro to be 
accessible on that machine.  Can't I specify different file systems for 
separate partitions?
Sorry if this is an inane question.  Disk format and file system specifics 
is not my forte.
TIA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sergei V. Fleytin" <fleytin@yandex.ru>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator


Hello, list,

For those of you who need an easy way to burn a CD under linux but
don't want to mess with all kinds of menus and choices I would
recommend a package called "burn" which I personally use. It is a very
easy to use yet powerful frontend written in python that allows you to
do a lot of things. Debian users can find ready to use package for
this tool and others can go to

http://www.bigpaul.org/burn/

-- 
With best regards, Sergei.

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Re: misc linux questions -- was: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 02:54:11PM EST, Laura Eaves wrote:
> Hi all --
> With all the discussion of CD burning being so difficult on linux, has 
> anyone successfully burned a DVD?

Several in fact. It is not too difficult. Just create an ISo of what you 
want to burn, and use the growisofs command I think it is, which comes 
in the dvd+rw-tools package.

It can also burn the data directly without creating an ISO, but slows 
the process down I think.
- -- 
Luke

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Re: misc linux questions -- was: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 12:54:11AM -0400, Laura Eaves wrote:
> Hi all --
> With all the discussion of CD burning being so difficult on linux, has 
> anyone successfully burned a DVD?

Your message gives me a chance to point out a difference between Linux
and Windows.  CD burning isn't difficult in Linux, it's just there are
several programs to do it.

Usually, when you see a discussion on a Linux list about how to do
something, you are seeing a group of people explaining there favorite
method to do something.  The closest comparison I can think of to the
Windows world is "what program is best for x?"

The real difficulty is decidine what solution will fit best in the
personal interface you have to your Linux box.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny

Re: misc linux questions -- was: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Steve Holmes]

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You said you were told that you couldn't have two different file
systems on the same hard drive?  Not true!  I've done this for many
years.  My current machine has the following layout.  Note that /hda
is my primary IDE drive and /hdb is my second drive.  The numbered
lists below will be the partitions on each.

/hda: 1. NTFS for my Win2000 environment.
/hda: 2. FAT32 can be shared between Win2K and Linux
/hda: 3. ext3 for my primary Linux partition
/hda: 4. Linux Swap
/hdb: a 20 gig hard drive with two ext3 partitions.  the first
partition is a small region I use for booting as lilo doesn't seem to
create a bootable image if I use /hda3.  Strange situation but it
works.

Bottom line here: You *CAN* have both linux and windows on the same
hard disk and they can be dual booted.  One thing I would suspect
however, windows might have to be on the first partition on the drive
to work but linux doesn't care as much.

HTH
- -- 
HolmesGrown Solutions
The best solutions for the best price!
http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
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Re: Stradling Cultures--was: "Re[2]: A easier way to createcd'susing easy cd creator"

[Sean McMahon]

A few things to point out.  Many of the features that windows users see as power
over the command line result from dos being like a subset of unix.  I think
linux makes difficult tasks easy and some perceived easy tasks difficult.  On
Debian for example, upgrading/removing/installing is way easier then Windows.
Setting up your mplayer to automatically play files you find on the web, that
takes a little more work then just installing winamp.  However, the power you
get with mplayer can't be matched.  Windows hides a lot of information to seem
less confusing.  Linux could just as easily hide this information, and you can
create such an information hiding interface if you want.  However, because
there's a wider base of users to support, a freedom of ideas, open source
programs may look less pollished to the newcomer then those you pay fore because
they are the first to introduce  new ideas.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Hofstader" <chris.hofstader@knology.net>
To: "'W. Nick Dotson'" <nickdotson@bellsouth.net>; "'Speakup is a screen review
system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: Stradling Cultures--was: "Re[2]: A easier way to createcd'susing
easy cd creator"


> I'm probably in a fairly unique position here.  I have worked professionally
> with both Windows at FS and GNU/Linux when I worked with Stallman years ago.
> I think GNU/Linux is more friendly to we hackers because it has such an
> extensive set of really cool tools.  It is also not much less friendly than
> DOS where Windows falls somewhere in between.
>
> It's good to see a KESI person on this list, I feel a little less lonely.
> Maybe we can convince a Duxbury person to show up too.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: misc linux questions -- was: Re: A easier way to create cd's usingeasy cd creator

[Sean McMahon]

You can't put ntfs/fat32 on the same partition as linux.  On the same harddrive,
of course you can do that.  There's even a dool boot howto on tldp.org.  Not
entirely relevant but some very good info.  Backup your data first.  Follow what
your distro says in its installation guide for partitioning and partitioning of
multi-boot systems.  Some claim they can resize native ntfs/fat partitions.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1@carolina.rr.com>
To: <fleytin@yandex.ru>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:54 PM
Subject: misc linux questions -- was: Re: A easier way to create cd's usingeasy
cd creator


> Hi all --
> With all the discussion of CD burning being so difficult on linux, has
> anyone successfully burned a DVD?
> I just purchased a pc with a DVD burner and hope to put linux on it, and it
> would be nice if I could use the DVD burner -- not necessarily to copy
> movies, but to store other things.
> Just curious.  When it gets here I will be diving into the linux thing in
> earnest -- up till now i have been lurking but haven't had a machine to work
> with.
>
> Also, I have a question about file systems and partitioning.
> Someone on the list told me privately that you can't put 2 different file
> system formats on the same hard drive -- such as fat32 and ntfs or whatever.
> Is that true?  I have a large HD and wanted both linux and XP pro to be
> accessible on that machine.  Can't I specify different file systems for
> separate partitions?
> Sorry if this is an inane question.  Disk format and file system specifics
> is not my forte.
> TIA
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sergei V. Fleytin" <fleytin@yandex.ru>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:40 AM
> Subject: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator
>
>
> Hello, list,
>
> For those of you who need an easy way to burn a CD under linux but
> don't want to mess with all kinds of menus and choices I would
> recommend a package called "burn" which I personally use. It is a very
> easy to use yet powerful frontend written in python that allows you to
> do a lot of things. Debian users can find ready to use package for
> this tool and others can go to
>
> http://www.bigpaul.org/burn/
>
> -- 
> With best regards, Sergei.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: misc linux questions -- was: Re: A easier way to create cd'susing easy cd creator

[Sean McMahon]

Windows may have to be on the first partition, but if that's the case what does
it mean when they say the boot loader has to be loaded in the first 1024 bytes?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: misc linux questions -- was: Re: A easier way to create cd'susing
easy cd creator


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160
>
> You said you were told that you couldn't have two different file
> systems on the same hard drive?  Not true!  I've done this for many
> years.  My current machine has the following layout.  Note that /hda
> is my primary IDE drive and /hdb is my second drive.  The numbered
> lists below will be the partitions on each.
>
> /hda: 1. NTFS for my Win2000 environment.
> /hda: 2. FAT32 can be shared between Win2K and Linux
> /hda: 3. ext3 for my primary Linux partition
> /hda: 4. Linux Swap
> /hdb: a 20 gig hard drive with two ext3 partitions.  the first
> partition is a small region I use for booting as lilo doesn't seem to
> create a bootable image if I use /hda3.  Strange situation but it
> works.
>
> Bottom line here: You *CAN* have both linux and windows on the same
> hard disk and they can be dual booted.  One thing I would suspect
> however, windows might have to be on the first partition on the drive
> to work but linux doesn't care as much.
>
> HTH
> - -- 
> HolmesGrown Solutions
> The best solutions for the best price!
> http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
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Re: misc linux questions -- was: Re: A easier way to create cd'susing easy cd creator

[hank smith]

has any one tried the nero for linux?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: misc linux questions -- was: Re: A easier way to create 
cd'susing easy cd creator


> Hi.
>
> On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 12:54:11AM -0400, Laura Eaves wrote:
>> Hi all --
>> With all the discussion of CD burning being so difficult on linux, has
>> anyone successfully burned a DVD?
>
> Your message gives me a chance to point out a difference between Linux
> and Windows.  CD burning isn't difficult in Linux, it's just there are
> several programs to do it.
>
> Usually, when you see a discussion on a Linux list about how to do
> something, you are seeing a group of people explaining there favorite
> method to do something.  The closest comparison I can think of to the
> Windows world is "what program is best for x?"
>
> The real difficulty is decidine what solution will fit best in the
> personal interface you have to your Linux box.
>
> Hope this helps.
>          Kenny
>
>
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Re: Stradling Cultures--was: "Re[2]: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator"

[W. Nick Dotson]

Didn't mean to imply that there was a pausity of docs, conversely, some just "rtfm" but don't give a clue where for the 
problem being queried about.  Janina almost always gives explicit directions to where and what, especially to We Green 
Horned Newbies.  I was indeed, making the parallel between Amateur radio and other services, and the two divergent 
styles of Elmering.  And Bill and Janina are exemplars of the type of Elmering I saw here in Pensacola from the many 
older ex-millitary types, who'd come over skull, practice CW, or help you delve into the innards of a rig without killing 
yourself, or destroying the rig because you were too eager and didn't take a precaution Etc.  It's just that there will have 
to be a more formalized approach to teaching, structuring FAQS and Tutorials to the non-programmers if the OS is to 
become a mature tool for blind user's who now have few alternatives to Gatesian hegemony.  Many of us coming in 
have neither the backgrounds, nor the rest of those attributes I alluded to in my previous post, and I guess I was 
objecting to the laconic abstruce often encrypted responses that don't teach the inquirer until he's been through several 
representations of his/her problem, and someone either condescends, comes to a noble rescue, or, loses patience and 
helps despite their predelections against hands-on in the mud (no pun intended) teaching.

Nick


On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 15:56:10 -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:

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I don't know who smugged you recently on here, but I admit there is
probably some self pride among those of us who may have got a lot of
this all figured out.  One point or two of disagreement with you goes
to documentation.  There's tones of documentation out there that
explains various fascets of Linux.  The problem is more, which thing
do I read for which question or problem.  Some docs are quite lengthy
and possibly overwelming to the reader who seeks a quick answer to his
/ her question.  I think another big divide between linux and windows
is user interfaces.  Many casual users (found around the windows camp
like the GUI and admittedly, it is easy to use for common tasks.
Where on the other hand, linux text based clients use command line
options.  The more powerful and flexible the program, the more options
there and consequently the more dificult it becomes.  I personally
think that will be the biggest stumbling block for new comers to
linux.  Linux has grown considerably in popularity thanks to GUI stuff
in Xwindows and I think largely Red Hat's package management
features.  But for some of us with some of that geek spirit inside,
there's still lots of room in linux with "under the hood distros like
Slackware and LFS where we can get down to the bare metal and tweak
thing ourselves too.  there's room for all kinds.

I look over just this list and I know there's some people who I don't
think are super technical like Ann Parsons, Cheryl Honiak who come
from teaching backgrounds (I believe) who use linux regularly but
aren't geeks by any means:).  Sorry gals for the name dropping:).

There may indeed be a fundamental culture difference between the typic
windows user and the typical linux user.  I could parallel this with
old time ham radio hobiests and perhaps CB or FRS users.  CB and FRS
users can pop in a radio, start using it and not worry about licenses,
exams, or any of that where the hams need to pass license exams, dig
into their equipment more, build their own antenas if so desired and
so on.

I have actually been quite successful with linux over the past 11
years but my first introduction meant a couple all day sessions with a
more experienced linux user at the very beginning to kinda jump start
me so to speak plus I messed with some unix shell accounts back then.
- From then on, I've pretty much taught myself entirely everything I
know about linux except for the much additional help I've picked up
from folks here on this list and my local linux users group mail list.

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Re: misc linux questions -- was: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator

[Janina Sajka]

You can create dvd's. It works basically the same way as recording cdr
disks. Of course, it starts with the hardware interface. You need a good
driver, and not all dvd drives are supported. But, once you get that
done, it's fairly straight forward.

The person giving you advice on partitions is giving you very bad
advice. You can perfectly well have an admixture of almost any kind of
file system on your drive. People do vfat, ntfs, and ext3 all the time,
for instance.

However, I don't believe you'll find pre-digested kernels with ntfs
support very readily. I might be wrong, but the basic problem is that
ntfs is proprietary to Microsoft, so gets people nervous around the
licenses.

Laura Eaves writes:
> Hi all --
> With all the discussion of CD burning being so difficult on linux, has 
> anyone successfully burned a DVD?
> I just purchased a pc with a DVD burner and hope to put linux on it, and it 
> would be nice if I could use the DVD burner -- not necessarily to copy 
> movies, but to store other things.
> Just curious.  When it gets here I will be diving into the linux thing in 
> earnest -- up till now i have been lurking but haven't had a machine to work 
> with.
> 
> Also, I have a question about file systems and partitioning.
> Someone on the list told me privately that you can't put 2 different file 
> system formats on the same hard drive -- such as fat32 and ntfs or whatever. 
> Is that true?  I have a large HD and wanted both linux and XP pro to be 
> accessible on that machine.  Can't I specify different file systems for 
> separate partitions?
> Sorry if this is an inane question.  Disk format and file system specifics 
> is not my forte.
> TIA
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sergei V. Fleytin" <fleytin@yandex.ru>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:40 AM
> Subject: Re: A easier way to create cd's using easy cd creator
> 
> 
> Hello, list,
> 
> For those of you who need an easy way to burn a CD under linux but
> don't want to mess with all kinds of menus and choices I would
> recommend a package called "burn" which I personally use. It is a very
> easy to use yet powerful frontend written in python that allows you to
> do a lot of things. Debian users can find ready to use package for
> this tool and others can go to
> 
> http://www.bigpaul.org/burn/
> 
> -- 
> With best regards, Sergei.
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