Mutt or pine and best configuration to use?

Mutt or pine and best configuration to use?

[jim grimsby]

Hi,  well the subject says what I am looking for.  I have looked at the
man pages for both mutt and pine.  I also have played with fetch mail
and mutt a little.  I have to say I like it but pine sounds a little
more user friendly from what I have read.  So just wondering what do
most of you guys use mutt or pine.  Advantages and disadvantages.  Also
I remember some one saying there are some things that should be changed
for mutt and pine to make them work better using speakup.  I have looked
threw the manuals and see nothing witch advices about this.  Now if
these questions have already been answered before and if I am generating
list clutter I am sorry.  If that is the case please direct me to where
I can look to find out about these things and I will leave the list
alone.  Thanks 

Re: Mutt or pine and best configuration to use?

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 08:26:43PM EST, jim grimsby wrote:
> Hi,  well the subject says what I am looking for.  I have looked at the
> man pages for both mutt and pine.  I also have played with fetch mail
> and mutt a little.  I have to say I like it but pine sounds a little
> more user friendly from what I have read.  So just wondering what do
> most of you guys use mutt or pine.  Advantages and disadvantages.

I use mutt, and have since about June last year. I also found it very 
hard to get into using a text-based Linux mail client, and considered 
pine as well. I chose mutt for a few reasons, including the fact that it 
is very configurable, it is standards compliant, and is quite Speakup 
friendly.

I looked at the pine interface, but didn't like it as much. I was also 
able to find out more about Mutt than pine, which helped me make my 
decision.

It is ultimately up to you, but I do recommend mutt, as you can 
configure it to your tastes, and once learnt, it is possible to work 
very quickly in it, with the aid of the Speakup review keys, which you 
will need to read email.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Mutt or pine and best configuration to use?

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 10:05:47PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
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> configure it to your tastes, and once learnt, it is possible to work 
> very quickly in it, with the aid of the Speakup review keys, which you 
> will need to read email.
> 

I think you might have a config problem with your mutt.  I don't need
speakup review keys to read mail.  What situation causes to need the
review keys?

          Kenny

Re: Mutt or pine and best configuration to use?

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 11:25:08PM EST, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 10:05:47PM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> <snip>
> 
> > configure it to your tastes, and once learnt, it is possible to work 
> > very quickly in it, with the aid of the Speakup review keys, which you 
> > will need to read email.
> > 
> 
> I think you might have a config problem with your mutt.  I don't need
> speakup review keys to read mail.  What situation causes to need the
> review keys?

I would rather not listen to the whole screen being read out. It is no 
great deal to simply go to the top of the screen with the Speakup review 
keys, and go dwon from there. I have a customized header display, so 
getting through those is no problem. It also means that if I need to 
copy any info quickly from the email while reading, I am able to do so 
without having to find the correct line on the screen first.
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Re: Mutt or pine and best configuration to use?

[David Csercsics]

I use neither Mutt nor Pine. I like NMH personally. If you're looking for something that's a snap to set up or configure then you probably don't want to use NMH unless you're willing to read through some docs to get the setup that you want. I like it because it is great for handling large amounts of mail and great for programming. I like the fact that you can use all the shell functions and utilities to help deal with your mail. So the interface is very simple and yet very complex at the same time. Configuration for the most part is not so bad either so long as you don't intend to alter files that need format strings because NMH's format xstrings are not for those who dislike reading large manpages. On the other hand once you have things set up the way that you like then you're good.

Re: Mutt or pine and best configuration to use?

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.
This one of those questions where everyone who replys will say the
program I use is best.  I think mut is the best.
I like it's features and the ability to reconfigure any part of it that
you don't like into something you do.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny

On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 02:26:43AM -0800, jim grimsby wrote:
> Hi,  well the subject says what I am looking for.  I have looked at the
> man pages for both mutt and pine.  I also have played with fetch mail
> and mutt a little.  I have to say I like it but pine sounds a little
> more user friendly from what I have read.  So just wondering what do
> most of you guys use mutt or pine.  Advantages and disadvantages.  Also
> I remember some one saying there are some things that should be changed
> for mutt and pine to make them work better using speakup.  I have looked
> threw the manuals and see nothing witch advices about this.  Now if
> these questions have already been answered before and if I am generating
> list clutter I am sorry.  If that is the case please direct me to where
> I can look to find out about these things and I will leave the list
> alone.  Thanks 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Mutt or pine and best configuration to use?

[Janina Sajka]

Well, you asked for opinions, so I'll give mine.

Learn mutt.

You've got some learning to do regardless of whether you choose mutt or
pine. If mutt seems more formidable, perhaps it's only because it's more
powerful.

Again, speaking only for myself, I used to use Pine. I used it for maybe
four or five years. Eventually, I could tired of the four-five
keystrokes it takes to delete a thread. I decided to put up with the
pain of learning a new mail client to gain things like the ability to
delete a thread in one keystroke. There were other reasons, but that was
the one that tipped me into mutt. I am not sorry.

So, if you take up mutt, perhaps the most important blind friendly tweak
is the following in your ~/.muttrc:

set arrow_cursor                # use -> instead of hiliting the whole
line

You will need to set a similar function should you choose Pine.

You can get my current .muttrc from my ftp site:

ftp.rednote.net

Once there, you need to:

cd goodies/system/user

Good luck.

jim grimsby writes:
> Hi,  well the subject says what I am looking for.  I have looked at the
> man pages for both mutt and pine.  I also have played with fetch mail
> and mutt a little.  I have to say I like it but pine sounds a little
> more user friendly from what I have read.  So just wondering what do
> most of you guys use mutt or pine.  Advantages and disadvantages.  Also
> I remember some one saying there are some things that should be changed
> for mutt and pine to make them work better using speakup.  I have looked
> threw the manuals and see nothing witch advices about this.  Now if
> these questions have already been answered before and if I am generating
> list clutter I am sorry.  If that is the case please direct me to where
> I can look to find out about these things and I will leave the list
> alone.  Thanks 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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