pine

pine

[randy turner]

well i have to run get-mail first,
then pine will send the message like it should
does this give any one any ideas?
i have tried setting up sendmail
but it does not do right.
randy

Re: pine

[Adam Myrow]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:

> well i have to run get-mail first,
> then pine will send the message like it should
> does this give any one any ideas?

It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your POP 
server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  I think 
it's some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, there's not much 
you can do about it except always check your mail right before you send, 
or get another ISP.

Re: pine

[randy turner]

hi adam,
well that sure explanes it
sure wish they would tell you
when they change something like that.
i have been working on this for 4 days now.
i could turn the spam feture off
but i don't want all of that spam
in my box.
thanks for all of the help
randy

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Adam Myrow wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
>
>> well i have to run get-mail first,
>> then pine will send the message like it should
>> does this give any one any ideas?
>
> It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your POP 
> server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  I think it's 
> some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, there's not much you can 
> do about it except always check your mail right before you send, or get 
> another ISP.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

Re: pine

[Janina Sajka]

Mostly, folks here use fetchmail to retrieve email.

Some of us also receive mail directly, but this involves more than just
setting up sendmail (or another agent like exim or postfix). For
example, you might need a domain name so that the Internet knows how to
find your computer.

Lastly, there are advantages to using an mta (like sendmail, exim, or
postfix)) over the smtp definition in a mail user agent like Pine (or
Mutt).

But, you'll have to be far more precise about what you're trying to do,
and exactly what happens if we can help you very much.

Just saying something like "it doesn't work" is going to get you
nowhere.

randy turner writes:
> 
> 
> well i have to run get-mail first,
> then pine will send the message like it should
> does this give any one any ideas?
> i have tried setting up sendmail
> but it does not do right.
> randy
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: pine

[Janina Sajka]

So, case in point? No?

Why rely on the ISP to send your mail? Get that sendmail, or exim, or
whatever, working and use it.

Sorry if I dived in here late and missed something salient.

Adam Myrow writes:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
> 
> >well i have to run get-mail first,
> >then pine will send the message like it should
> >does this give any one any ideas?
> 
> It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your POP 
> server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  I think 
> it's some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, there's not much 
> you can do about it except always check your mail right before you send, 
> or get another ISP.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: pine

[Janina Sajka]

spamassassin is a great anti-spam bot. Only real downside, is that you
do have to receive the spam locally before spamassassin can dispose of
it, but it does work well. I see only about 10-12 spams a day, and I get
several hundred emails a day.

My spamassassin is configured to throw spam into its own mail folder,
premarked for deletion. Ocassionally, I go in there and look to see if
some message was put there erroneously. I haven't found any errors in
the past months, and I'm always amazed at how many messages are there,
when I do look. And, when I leave the folder, they're all gone, because
they've already been marked for deletion, and my ua is set to delete on
folder exit.

randy turner writes:
> 
> 
> hi adam,
> well that sure explanes it
> sure wish they would tell you
> when they change something like that.
> i have been working on this for 4 days now.
> i could turn the spam feture off
> but i don't want all of that spam
> in my box.
> thanks for all of the help
> randy
> 
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Adam Myrow wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
> >
> >>well i have to run get-mail first,
> >>then pine will send the message like it should
> >>does this give any one any ideas?
> >
> >It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your POP 
> >server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  I think 
> >it's some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, there's not much 
> >you can do about it except always check your mail right before you send, 
> >or get another ISP.
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

spam: was Re: pine

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  If you use Exim v 4, you might want to check out sa-exim.

sa-exim - Use SpamAssassin at SMTP time with the Exim v4 MTA

I haven't installed it yet, but I plan to sometime soon.  For now, I'm
like you and have to recieve the spam before deleting it.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 09:56:08AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> spamassassin is a great anti-spam bot. Only real downside, is that you
> do have to receive the spam locally before spamassassin can dispose of
> it, but it does work well. I see only about 10-12 spams a day, and I get
> several hundred emails a day.
> 
> My spamassassin is configured to throw spam into its own mail folder,
> premarked for deletion. Ocassionally, I go in there and look to see if
> some message was put there erroneously. I haven't found any errors in
> the past months, and I'm always amazed at how many messages are there,
> when I do look. And, when I leave the folder, they're all gone, because
> they've already been marked for deletion, and my ua is set to delete on
> folder exit.
> 

Re: spam: was Re: pine

[Janina Sajka]

Let me clarify:

I use spamassassin as mail arrives smtp.

When I say I must first receive, I'm talking about it coming in over the
wire. I never actually see it in mutt, until I go looking at it on
purpose. It doesn't get in way whatsoever, but I could imagine it would
still be a problem on a dial up connection where choking the bandwidth
would be of concern.

PS: I use sendmail. I figure, "stick with the leader that delivers 90%
of the mail to the Fortune 1000."

Kenny Hitt writes:
> Hi.  If you use Exim v 4, you might want to check out sa-exim.
> 
> sa-exim - Use SpamAssassin at SMTP time with the Exim v4 MTA
> 
> I haven't installed it yet, but I plan to sometime soon.  For now, I'm
> like you and have to recieve the spam before deleting it.
> 
> Hope this helps.
>           Kenny
> 	  
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 09:56:08AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > spamassassin is a great anti-spam bot. Only real downside, is that you
> > do have to receive the spam locally before spamassassin can dispose of
> > it, but it does work well. I see only about 10-12 spams a day, and I get
> > several hundred emails a day.
> > 
> > My spamassassin is configured to throw spam into its own mail folder,
> > premarked for deletion. Ocassionally, I go in there and look to see if
> > some message was put there erroneously. I haven't found any errors in
> > the past months, and I'm always amazed at how many messages are there,
> > when I do look. And, when I leave the folder, they're all gone, because
> > they've already been marked for deletion, and my ua is set to delete on
> > folder exit.
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: spam: was Re: pine

[Hart Larry]

Hi Janina-and-All:  Speaking of pine and spam, will spam asassin also work on 
messages in usenet news groups?  ESPECIALLY WHEN the same miserable messages 
are posted to many of the groups I read.
Thanks so much in advance.
Hart

Re: pine

[Sean McMahon]

There's certainly nothing that says you have to send mail through your isp smtp
server.  You can but don't have to do it this way.  Use an mta only if an mta is
necessary.  Be careful about what you allow to access your mta esp. if it sends
mail from your system directly to the internet.  I've never heard of a system
where you have to get your mail before you can send mail.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: pine


> So, case in point? No?
>
> Why rely on the ISP to send your mail? Get that sendmail, or exim, or
> whatever, working and use it.
>
> Sorry if I dived in here late and missed something salient.
>
> Adam Myrow writes:
> > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
> >
> > >well i have to run get-mail first,
> > >then pine will send the message like it should
> > >does this give any one any ideas?
> >
> > It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your POP
> > server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  I think
> > it's some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, there's not much
> > you can do about it except always check your mail right before you send,
> > or get another ISP.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
>
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: pine

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

If you have a dynamic IP address and attempt to send mail directly from
your own system instead of going through your ISP, you will run into a
surprising number of recipients who will refuse your mail in the belief
that you are a spammer. Also, the default sendmail configuration
nowadays disallows relaying. i.e., outsiders cannot use your sendmail
to relay mail through you and your ISP to the world. With your own port
25 open, mail coming to you is accepted, but mail intended for others
is not. To change that feature you have to select "promiscuous"
relaying.

Chuck


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Sean McMahon wrote:

> There's certainly nothing that says you have to send mail through your isp smtp
> server.  You can but don't have to do it this way.  Use an mta only if an mta is
> necessary.  Be careful about what you allow to access your mta esp. if it sends
> mail from your system directly to the internet.  I've never heard of a system
> where you have to get your mail before you can send mail.

-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (56% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Personal site www.hhs48.com, Software site www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: spam: was Re: pine

[Janina Sajka]

I don't see why not, but I haven't configured it for that.

Still, this kind of question is a perfect fit for Google, so I went to:

http://www.google.com/linux

so I could keep my results focused on Linux and not bother with other
OS. In the search field I put

usenet spamassassin

Well, what do you know? I might have even hit the "I feel lucky today"
button. 


Hart Larry writes:
> Hi Janina-and-All:  Speaking of pine and spam, will spam asassin also work 
> on messages in usenet news groups?  ESPECIALLY WHEN the same miserable 
> messages are posted to many of the groups I read.
> Thanks so much in advance.
> Hart
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: pine

[Janina Sajka]

I find the authenticated smtp, port 587, trick extremely useful when I'm
traveling.

Didn't we have this discussion about a month or two ago?

You may need it, and you may not. I do believe I qualified my statements
with the subjunctive, and I don't believe I said you had to receive in
order to send. Oh well. Here we go again.

Sean McMahon writes:
> There's certainly nothing that says you have to send mail through your isp smtp
> server.  You can but don't have to do it this way.  Use an mta only if an mta is
> necessary.  Be careful about what you allow to access your mta esp. if it sends
> mail from your system directly to the internet.  I've never heard of a system
> where you have to get your mail before you can send mail.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:53 AM
> Subject: Re: pine
> 
> 
> > So, case in point? No?
> >
> > Why rely on the ISP to send your mail? Get that sendmail, or exim, or
> > whatever, working and use it.
> >
> > Sorry if I dived in here late and missed something salient.
> >
> > Adam Myrow writes:
> > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
> > >
> > > >well i have to run get-mail first,
> > > >then pine will send the message like it should
> > > >does this give any one any ideas?
> > >
> > > It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your POP
> > > server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  I think
> > > it's some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, there's not much
> > > you can do about it except always check your mail right before you send,
> > > or get another ISP.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > -- 
> >
> > Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
> > janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
> >
> > If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

RE: pine

[Sina Bahram]

Hi janina,

Do you mean it captures 10 to 12 spam messages a day, or that those are the
ones it misses?

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:56 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: pine

spamassassin is a great anti-spam bot. Only real downside, is that you do
have to receive the spam locally before spamassassin can dispose of it, but
it does work well. I see only about 10-12 spams a day, and I get several
hundred emails a day.

My spamassassin is configured to throw spam into its own mail folder,
premarked for deletion. Ocassionally, I go in there and look to see if some
message was put there erroneously. I haven't found any errors in the past
months, and I'm always amazed at how many messages are there, when I do
look. And, when I leave the folder, they're all gone, because they've
already been marked for deletion, and my ua is set to delete on folder exit.

randy turner writes:
> 
> 
> hi adam,
> well that sure explanes it
> sure wish they would tell you
> when they change something like that.
> i have been working on this for 4 days now.
> i could turn the spam feture off
> but i don't want all of that spam
> in my box.
> thanks for all of the help
> randy
> 
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Adam Myrow wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
> >
> >>well i have to run get-mail first,
> >>then pine will send the message like it should does this give any 
> >>one any ideas?
> >
> >It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your 
> >POP server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  
> >I think it's some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, 
> >there's not much you can do about it except always check your mail 
> >right before you send, or get another ISP.
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.


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Re: pine

[Janina Sajka]

And, you don't want to do that, else you, yourself become a spammer.


Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
> 
> If you have a dynamic IP address and attempt to send mail directly from
> your own system instead of going through your ISP, you will run into a
> surprising number of recipients who will refuse your mail in the belief
> that you are a spammer. Also, the default sendmail configuration
> nowadays disallows relaying. i.e., outsiders cannot use your sendmail
> to relay mail through you and your ISP to the world. With your own port
> 25 open, mail coming to you is accepted, but mail intended for others
> is not. To change that feature you have to select "promiscuous"
> relaying.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Sean McMahon wrote:
> 
> >There's certainly nothing that says you have to send mail through your isp 
> >smtp
> >server.  You can but don't have to do it this way.  Use an mta only if an 
> >mta is
> >necessary.  Be careful about what you allow to access your mta esp. if it 
> >sends
> >mail from your system directly to the internet.  I've never heard of a 
> >system
> >where you have to get your mail before you can send mail.
> 
> -- 
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (56% of Full)
> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Personal site www.hhs48.com, Software site www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: pine

[Janina Sajka]

I don't track how many it captures. I'm say about 10 or so get through.

I can set the rules more tightly, but then it marks mail as spam by
mistake. That's not good, because then the mail that really isn't spam
ends up in the spam folder and I have to go looking for it.

It's a game of balance. I think I have it about right. I have not seen a
mail marked as spam that shouldn't have been marked as spam in months
now. And, my inbox only gets about 10 or so spams a day--out of
literally hundreds of emails daily. Many, many more are caught and
dumped without me seeing them--unless I choose to go look.

Let me clarify that last point one more time. No mail is automatically
thrown away. If spamassassin marks it as spam, it gets put in a special
folder called spam and it is marked for deletion, the 'd' flag. When the
day comes that I want to look in that folder, for whatever reason, all
this mail is sitting there. When I leave that folder, it's all finally
thrown out--unless I've first removed the 'd' flag on some particular
message.

Sina Bahram writes:
> Hi janina,
> 
> Do you mean it captures 10 to 12 spam messages a day, or that those are the
> ones it misses?
> 
> Take care,
> Sina
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:56 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: pine
> 
> spamassassin is a great anti-spam bot. Only real downside, is that you do
> have to receive the spam locally before spamassassin can dispose of it, but
> it does work well. I see only about 10-12 spams a day, and I get several
> hundred emails a day.
> 
> My spamassassin is configured to throw spam into its own mail folder,
> premarked for deletion. Ocassionally, I go in there and look to see if some
> message was put there erroneously. I haven't found any errors in the past
> months, and I'm always amazed at how many messages are there, when I do
> look. And, when I leave the folder, they're all gone, because they've
> already been marked for deletion, and my ua is set to delete on folder exit.
> 
> randy turner writes:
> > 
> > 
> > hi adam,
> > well that sure explanes it
> > sure wish they would tell you
> > when they change something like that.
> > i have been working on this for 4 days now.
> > i could turn the spam feture off
> > but i don't want all of that spam
> > in my box.
> > thanks for all of the help
> > randy
> > 
> > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Adam Myrow wrote:
> > 
> > >On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
> > >
> > >>well i have to run get-mail first,
> > >>then pine will send the message like it should does this give any 
> > >>one any ideas?
> > >
> > >It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your 
> > >POP server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  
> > >I think it's some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, 
> > >there's not much you can do about it except always check your mail 
> > >right before you send, or get another ISP.
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
> 
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
> 
> 
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If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: spam: was Re: pine

[Hart Larry]

Well Janina, there seems to be no "I'm feeling lucky" button on that linux 
link, useing Lynx
Hart

Re: pine

[randy turner]

thanks,
i think that i have figured it out,
it has something to do with the spam filters on my isp.
i realized how that message sounded
after i wrote it lol!
thanks again,
randy


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Mostly, folks here use fetchmail to retrieve email.
>
> Some of us also receive mail directly, but this involves more than just
> setting up sendmail (or another agent like exim or postfix). For
> example, you might need a domain name so that the Internet knows how to
> find your computer.
>
> Lastly, there are advantages to using an mta (like sendmail, exim, or
> postfix)) over the smtp definition in a mail user agent like Pine (or
> Mutt).
>
> But, you'll have to be far more precise about what you're trying to do,
> and exactly what happens if we can help you very much.
>
> Just saying something like "it doesn't work" is going to get you
> nowhere.
>
> randy turner writes:
>>
>>
>> well i have to run get-mail first,
>> then pine will send the message like it should
>> does this give any one any ideas?
>> i have tried setting up sendmail
>> but it does not do right.
>> randy
>>
>>
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> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
>
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>
>
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Re: pine

[randy turner]

but even with sendmail i still have to go through my isp,
as long as i recieve mail first i am ok,
thanks
randy


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:

> So, case in point? No?
>
> Why rely on the ISP to send your mail? Get that sendmail, or exim, or
> whatever, working and use it.
>
> Sorry if I dived in here late and missed something salient.
>
> Adam Myrow writes:
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
>>
>>> well i have to run get-mail first,
>>> then pine will send the message like it should
>>> does this give any one any ideas?
>>
>> It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your POP
>> server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  I think
>> it's some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, there's not much
>> you can do about it except always check your mail right before you send,
>> or get another ISP.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
>
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>
>
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: pine

[Janina Sajka]

No, I don't understand this.

With a connection to the Internet, your own smtp agent can direct mail
wherever it determines is the next delivery relay. That's the meaning of
having your mta configured and working for smtp. Whether or not it's
advisable in your circumstances, depends on your circumstances. In my
case, I'm fulfilling that function for myself, and when I'm on the road,
I authenticate with my home server for this service.

But, you don't need your ISP to play smtp for you. That's your
choice--unless they're blocking outbound packets from your machine. If
they're doing that, dump them and get someone who doesn't do that. If
they're blocking outbound traffic, you'll have all kinds of trouble with
them forever. It may be mail today, it will be something else tomorrow,
and then something still beyond tomorrow.

randy turner writes:
> 
> but even with sendmail i still have to go through my isp,
> as long as i recieve mail first i am ok,
> thanks
> randy
> 
> 
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> >So, case in point? No?
> >
> >Why rely on the ISP to send your mail? Get that sendmail, or exim, or
> >whatever, working and use it.
> >
> >Sorry if I dived in here late and missed something salient.
> >
> >Adam Myrow writes:
> >>On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
> >>
> >>>well i have to run get-mail first,
> >>>then pine will send the message like it should
> >>>does this give any one any ideas?
> >>
> >>It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your POP
> >>server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  I think
> >>it's some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, there's not much
> >>you can do about it except always check your mail right before you send,
> >>or get another ISP.
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> >
> >Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
> >janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
> >
> >If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
> >
> >
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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: pine

[randy turner]

wow!, i did not know that you could do that,
i am very green when it comes to email setup,
i need to find some good manuals to study on it
for a beginner.
thanks again
randy


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:

> No, I don't understand this.
>
> With a connection to the Internet, your own smtp agent can direct mail
> wherever it determines is the next delivery relay. That's the meaning of
> having your mta configured and working for smtp. Whether or not it's
> advisable in your circumstances, depends on your circumstances. In my
> case, I'm fulfilling that function for myself, and when I'm on the road,
> I authenticate with my home server for this service.
>
> But, you don't need your ISP to play smtp for you. That's your
> choice--unless they're blocking outbound packets from your machine. If
> they're doing that, dump them and get someone who doesn't do that. If
> they're blocking outbound traffic, you'll have all kinds of trouble with
> them forever. It may be mail today, it will be something else tomorrow,
> and then something still beyond tomorrow.
>
> randy turner writes:
>>
>> but even with sendmail i still have to go through my isp,
>> as long as i recieve mail first i am ok,
>> thanks
>> randy
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:
>>
>>> So, case in point? No?
>>>
>>> Why rely on the ISP to send your mail? Get that sendmail, or exim, or
>>> whatever, working and use it.
>>>
>>> Sorry if I dived in here late and missed something salient.
>>>
>>> Adam Myrow writes:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> well i have to run get-mail first,
>>>>> then pine will send the message like it should
>>>>> does this give any one any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your POP
>>>> server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  I think
>>>> it's some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, there's not much
>>>> you can do about it except always check your mail right before you send,
>>>> or get another ISP.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
>>> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>>>
>>> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
>>> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
>>>
>>> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
>
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>

Re: pine

[randy turner]

i am very green on this,
the only way that i know to setup up my mail is
through my mail server and that is
mail.texasisp.com
sending and recieving email is a pretty vast subject.
thanks again
randy


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:

> No, I don't understand this.
>
> With a connection to the Internet, your own smtp agent can direct mail
> wherever it determines is the next delivery relay. That's the meaning of
> having your mta configured and working for smtp. Whether or not it's
> advisable in your circumstances, depends on your circumstances. In my
> case, I'm fulfilling that function for myself, and when I'm on the road,
> I authenticate with my home server for this service.
>
> But, you don't need your ISP to play smtp for you. That's your
> choice--unless they're blocking outbound packets from your machine. If
> they're doing that, dump them and get someone who doesn't do that. If
> they're blocking outbound traffic, you'll have all kinds of trouble with
> them forever. It may be mail today, it will be something else tomorrow,
> and then something still beyond tomorrow.
>
> randy turner writes:
>>
>> but even with sendmail i still have to go through my isp,
>> as long as i recieve mail first i am ok,
>> thanks
>> randy
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:
>>
>>> So, case in point? No?
>>>
>>> Why rely on the ISP to send your mail? Get that sendmail, or exim, or
>>> whatever, working and use it.
>>>
>>> Sorry if I dived in here late and missed something salient.
>>>
>>> Adam Myrow writes:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> well i have to run get-mail first,
>>>>> then pine will send the message like it should
>>>>> does this give any one any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your POP
>>>> server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  I think
>>>> it's some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, there's not much
>>>> you can do about it except always check your mail right before you send,
>>>> or get another ISP.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
>>> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>>>
>>> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
>>> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
>>>
>>> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>
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>
> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
>
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>
>
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Re: spam: was Re: pine

[Gregory Nowak]

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Actually, cutting spam at the smtp level means rejecting the mail
from any time after the "mail From" line, to after the end of the
"data" portion of the message. Spam rejected at the smtp level doesn't
even make it into the delivery queue, let alone into any folders.

As for calling sendmail the leader in mail delivery, by looking at 

http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html

I am under the impression that qmail seems to be the leader in mail
delivery, and I have never seen the same claims that are being made
about qmail being also made about sendmail. Then again, I haven't
exactly searched the web for such claims regarding sendmail either.

Greg


On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 10:40:02AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Let me clarify:
> 
> I use spamassassin as mail arrives smtp.
> 
> When I say I must first receive, I'm talking about it coming in over the
> wire. I never actually see it in mutt, until I go looking at it on
> purpose. It doesn't get in way whatsoever, but I could imagine it would
> still be a problem on a dial up connection where choking the bandwidth
> would be of concern.
> 
> PS: I use sendmail. I figure, "stick with the leader that delivers 90%
> of the mail to the Fortune 1000."
> 

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Re: spam: was Re: pine

[Janina Sajka]

Ah, Gregory, you did not read me correctly. I never said what you said I
said.

I was far more specific than that. You seem to have heard the first part
of my compound statement and missed the second part.


Gregory Nowak writes:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> 
> Actually, cutting spam at the smtp level means rejecting the mail
> from any time after the "mail From" line, to after the end of the
> "data" portion of the message. Spam rejected at the smtp level doesn't
> even make it into the delivery queue, let alone into any folders.
> 
> As for calling sendmail the leader in mail delivery, by looking at 
> 
> http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html
> 
> I am under the impression that qmail seems to be the leader in mail
> delivery, and I have never seen the same claims that are being made
> about qmail being also made about sendmail. Then again, I haven't
> exactly searched the web for such claims regarding sendmail either.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 10:40:02AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Let me clarify:
> > 
> > I use spamassassin as mail arrives smtp.
> > 
> > When I say I must first receive, I'm talking about it coming in over the
> > wire. I never actually see it in mutt, until I go looking at it on
> > purpose. It doesn't get in way whatsoever, but I could imagine it would
> > still be a problem on a dial up connection where choking the bandwidth
> > would be of concern.
> > 
> > PS: I use sendmail. I figure, "stick with the leader that delivers 90%
> > of the mail to the Fortune 1000."
> > 
> 
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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: pine

[randy turner]

slackware 10.0 soon to be slackware 10.1
no i don't have my own domain
really unless it gets worse
i will probably stick to what i have,
how ever i am allways interested in other options.
randy


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:

> What distro of Linux are you running?
>
> Do you have a domain name of your own?
>
> I think these are the threshold questions. The first, so that help can
> be specific and not abstract and generic. The second, because without
> your own domain, you probably don't want to do your own mail.
>
> randy turner writes:
>> i am very green on this,
>> the only way that i know to setup up my mail is
>> through my mail server and that is
>> mail.texasisp.com
>> sending and recieving email is a pretty vast subject.
>> thanks again
>> randy
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:
>>
>>> No, I don't understand this.
>>>
>>> With a connection to the Internet, your own smtp agent can direct mail
>>> wherever it determines is the next delivery relay. That's the meaning of
>>> having your mta configured and working for smtp. Whether or not it's
>>> advisable in your circumstances, depends on your circumstances. In my
>>> case, I'm fulfilling that function for myself, and when I'm on the road,
>>> I authenticate with my home server for this service.
>>>
>>> But, you don't need your ISP to play smtp for you. That's your
>>> choice--unless they're blocking outbound packets from your machine. If
>>> they're doing that, dump them and get someone who doesn't do that. If
>>> they're blocking outbound traffic, you'll have all kinds of trouble with
>>> them forever. It may be mail today, it will be something else tomorrow,
>>> and then something still beyond tomorrow.
>>>
>>> randy turner writes:
>>>>
>>>> but even with sendmail i still have to go through my isp,
>>>> as long as i recieve mail first i am ok,
>>>> thanks
>>>> randy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, case in point? No?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why rely on the ISP to send your mail? Get that sendmail, or exim, or
>>>>> whatever, working and use it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry if I dived in here late and missed something salient.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam Myrow writes:
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well i have to run get-mail first,
>>>>>>> then pine will send the message like it should
>>>>>>> does this give any one any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a feature of your ISP which forces you to authenticate with your
>>>>>> POP
>>>>>> server, and then, it will let you send mail for a limited time.  I think
>>>>>> it's some sort of anti-spam measure, and unfortunately, there's not much
>>>>>> you can do about it except always check your mail right before you send,
>>>>>> or get another ISP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
>>>>> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>>>>>
>>>>> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
>>>>> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
>>>>>
>>>>> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
>>> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>>>
>>> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
>>> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
>>>
>>> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>
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>
> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
>
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>

Re: pine

[Steve Holmes]

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Speaking of port blockage, I know of at least three ISP's in my area
that do this; more specifically, they intercept all traffic on port 25
and if it isn't destined to their own mail server, it gets bounced
back as undeliverable.  They even include a specific message telling
you that it must be sent through their MTA.  Cox high speed internet,
the only high speed internet provider in my immediate area does this.
I have several linux and windows machines at my house on a LAN, they
all route mail to my internal mail host which runx Exim and I have
Exim configured to smart host all outgoing mail to Cox and it all
works well so far.  Cox blocks even more inbound ports - namely FTP,
HTTP, Telnet and 25 SMTP.  They don't seem to block ssh port 22 though:).
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Re: spam: was Re: pine

[Toby Fisher]

From: "Hart Larry" <chime@hubert-humphrey.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: spam: was Re: pine


> Hi Janina-and-All:  Speaking of pine and spam, will spam asassin also work 
> on messages in usenet news groups?  ESPECIALLY WHEN the same miserable 
> messages are posted to many of the groups I read.

There is software to do a similar job, however unless you are running your 
own news server/proxy, such as Leafnode, inn etc, it won't do you much good. 
The best thing to do is use something other than Pine for newsgroup reading 
(the filtering rules are a bit complex in Pine imho) and use the killfile 
facility.  For some time I used Slrn with quite good results.  If you don't 
use an nntp server, you'll also need slrnpull to get the news in the first 
place.

Cheers.

Toby

Re: was Re: pine

[Toby Fisher]

From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: spam: was Re: pine


> Hi.  If you use Exim v 4, you might want to check out sa-exim.
>
> sa-exim - Use SpamAssassin at SMTP time with the Exim v4 MTA
>

Alternatively, you could also use the exiscan-acl patch, again with v4,which 
encorporates Spamassassin and your favourite anti-virus scanner, as well as 
perl regular expression matching.  I use this, and find it very useful 
indeed.

Cheers.

Toby

Re: pine

[Toby Fisher]

From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: pine


> spamassassin is a great anti-spam bot. Only real downside, is that you
> do have to receive the spam locally before spamassassin can dispose of
> it, but it does work well. I see only about 10-12 spams a day, and I get
> several hundred emails a day.

I've set up Exim to do several things which help in defeating spam. 
Probably my 2 favourites are a reverse dns look-up, so, for example, if the 
spammer is using an ip address that has not been allocated, the message gets 
rejected before sending, and a callback function, where let's say the From 
address that is sent is spammer@abc.com, Exim looks up the mx record for 
abc.com (rejecting the connection if it cannot find one), then contacts the 
mail exchanger for abc.com and tries to start an smtp dialog.  It sends a 
helo, a From and a To, using spammer@abc.com as the addressee.  If the mail 
exchanger gives a 550 indicating that spammer is an invalid user, Exim draws 
the conclusion that spammer is a fake user and ends the smtp session with a 
550 error.

> My spamassassin is configured to throw spam into its own mail folder,
> premarked for deletion. Ocassionally, I go in there and look to see if
> some message was put there erroneously. I haven't found any errors in
> the past months, and I'm always amazed at how many messages are there,
> when I do look. And, when I leave the folder, they're all gone, because
> they've already been marked for deletion, and my ua is set to delete on
> folder exit.

I just bin them, I was keeping them for a while but when I had no false 
positives in about 3 months I decided against it as the large volume of spam 
was making it time-consuming.

Hth

Toby

Re: was Re: pine

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  If you're lazy like me, and you run Debian testing or
unstable, you can just "apt-get install exim4-daemon-heavy".  This
already is patched for you.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 01:05:55AM -0000, Toby Fisher wrote:
> 
> From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:10 PM
> Subject: spam: was Re: pine
> 
> 
> >Hi.  If you use Exim v 4, you might want to check out sa-exim.
> >
> >sa-exim - Use SpamAssassin at SMTP time with the Exim v4 MTA
> >
> 
> Alternatively, you could also use the exiscan-acl patch, again with 
> v4,which encorporates Spamassassin and your favourite anti-virus scanner, 
> as well as perl regular expression matching.  I use this, and find it very 
> useful indeed.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Toby
> 
> 
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Re: pine

[Janina Sajka]

Others may disagree, but I cannot countenance any ISP blocking ports on
my account. I would regard this as a kind of denail of service and take
my money to an isp that didn't engage in such parental practices.

So, I will sing the praises of my isp, Speakeasy:
http://www.speakeasy.net. No blocking, outbound or in. National service,
dialup and DSL. Never a problem, in the years I've been a customer.

As a matter of fact, I usually forget I even have an isp, until I see
the charges in my monthly statement. That's my yardstick for judging an
isp.

Speakeasy doesn't care if you run a server--in fact they encourage you
to do it. Want to resell your broadband to your neighbors over wireless?
They encourage that too.

So, with posts such as we've had the last few days, I have to ask: Is
your isp cheating you?

Steve Holmes writes:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Speaking of port blockage, I know of at least three ISP's in my area
> that do this; more specifically, they intercept all traffic on port 25
> and if it isn't destined to their own mail server, it gets bounced
> back as undeliverable.  They even include a specific message telling
> you that it must be sent through their MTA.  Cox high speed internet,
> the only high speed internet provider in my immediate area does this.
> I have several linux and windows machines at my house on a LAN, they
> all route mail to my internal mail host which runx Exim and I have
> Exim configured to smart host all outgoing mail to Cox and it all
> works well so far.  Cox blocks even more inbound ports - namely FTP,
> HTTP, Telnet and 25 SMTP.  They don't seem to block ssh port 22 though:).
> - -- 
> HolmesGrown Solutions
> The best solutions for the best price!
> http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

Re: pine

[Steve Holmes]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I have always heard good things about them.  I just wish I could get
DSL in my neighborhood so I could hook up with them.  I'm a Cognigen
rep and we sell Speakeasy and I would love to use them but... I'm too
far from my local central office so my line fails all DSL related loop
tests! So for the time being, it's Cox Cable with their port blocking <sigh>.

On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 11:56:21AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Others may disagree, but I cannot countenance any ISP blocking ports on
> my account. I would regard this as a kind of denail of service and take
> my money to an isp that didn't engage in such parental practices.
> 
> So, I will sing the praises of my isp, Speakeasy:
> http://www.speakeasy.net. No blocking, outbound or in. National service,
> dialup and DSL. Never a problem, in the years I've been a customer.
> 
> As a matter of fact, I usually forget I even have an isp, until I see
> the charges in my monthly statement. That's my yardstick for judging an
> isp.
> 
> Speakeasy doesn't care if you run a server--in fact they encourage you
> to do it. Want to resell your broadband to your neighbors over wireless?
> They encourage that too.
> 
> So, with posts such as we've had the last few days, I have to ask: Is
> your isp cheating you?
> 
> Steve Holmes writes:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > Speaking of port blockage, I know of at least three ISP's in my area
> > that do this; more specifically, they intercept all traffic on port 25
> > and if it isn't destined to their own mail server, it gets bounced
> > back as undeliverable.  They even include a specific message telling
> > you that it must be sent through their MTA.  Cox high speed internet,
> > the only high speed internet provider in my immediate area does this.
> > I have several linux and windows machines at my house on a LAN, they
> > all route mail to my internal mail host which runx Exim and I have
> > Exim configured to smart host all outgoing mail to Cox and it all
> > works well so far.  Cox blocks even more inbound ports - namely FTP,
> > HTTP, Telnet and 25 SMTP.  They don't seem to block ssh port 22 though:).
> > - -- 
> > HolmesGrown Solutions
> > The best solutions for the best price!
> > http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
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> > 
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> > IYU/5XRcAAQGM8ILdnz7a/Q=
> > =RgTp
> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
> 
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 

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Re: pine

[Gregory Nowak]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I considered speak easy more then once, but thought that their too
expensive. I'm sure there are now, and are going to be people who will
pay them what they ask, but I won't be one of them, unless their
prices drop significantly.

Greg


On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 02:43:52PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> I have always heard good things about them.  I just wish I could get
> DSL in my neighborhood so I could hook up with them.  I'm a Cognigen
> rep and we sell Speakeasy and I would love to use them but... I'm too
> far from my local central office so my line fails all DSL related loop
> tests! So for the time being, it's Cox Cable with their port blocking <sigh>.
> 

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Re: pine

[Sean McMahon]

What kind of ports does cox block and for what purposes are they use?  Reason I
ask is I no someone with cox who has trouble with a vpn client.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: pine


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I have always heard good things about them.  I just wish I could get
> DSL in my neighborhood so I could hook up with them.  I'm a Cognigen
> rep and we sell Speakeasy and I would love to use them but... I'm too
> far from my local central office so my line fails all DSL related loop
> tests! So for the time being, it's Cox Cable with their port blocking <sigh>.
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 11:56:21AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Others may disagree, but I cannot countenance any ISP blocking ports on
> > my account. I would regard this as a kind of denail of service and take
> > my money to an isp that didn't engage in such parental practices.
> >
> > So, I will sing the praises of my isp, Speakeasy:
> > http://www.speakeasy.net. No blocking, outbound or in. National service,
> > dialup and DSL. Never a problem, in the years I've been a customer.
> >
> > As a matter of fact, I usually forget I even have an isp, until I see
> > the charges in my monthly statement. That's my yardstick for judging an
> > isp.
> >
> > Speakeasy doesn't care if you run a server--in fact they encourage you
> > to do it. Want to resell your broadband to your neighbors over wireless?
> > They encourage that too.
> >
> > So, with posts such as we've had the last few days, I have to ask: Is
> > your isp cheating you?
> >
> > Steve Holmes writes:
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > Speaking of port blockage, I know of at least three ISP's in my area
> > > that do this; more specifically, they intercept all traffic on port 25
> > > and if it isn't destined to their own mail server, it gets bounced
> > > back as undeliverable.  They even include a specific message telling
> > > you that it must be sent through their MTA.  Cox high speed internet,
> > > the only high speed internet provider in my immediate area does this.
> > > I have several linux and windows machines at my house on a LAN, they
> > > all route mail to my internal mail host which runx Exim and I have
> > > Exim configured to smart host all outgoing mail to Cox and it all
> > > works well so far.  Cox blocks even more inbound ports - namely FTP,
> > > HTTP, Telnet and 25 SMTP.  They don't seem to block ssh port 22 though:).
> > > - -- 
> > > HolmesGrown Solutions
> > > The best solutions for the best price!
> > > http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
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> >
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> >
> > Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
> > janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
> >
> > If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
> >
> >
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> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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> >
>
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> The best solutions for the best price!
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Re: pine

[Steve Holmes]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Actually, if you have good accessible DSL in your area, I don't think
their rates are too bad.  If you have to use one of their "outside"
DSL providers that don't go through you LEC's central office, that's
when the rates go up; that's my problem.  I could actually use
Speakeasy if I wanted to pay over $55 per month and like you, I'm not
willing to spend that much.  Cox is either $39 or $49 if you also get
their TV but their download speeds are something like 5 megabit.

On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 03:54:36PM -0600, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> I considered speak easy more then once, but thought that their too
> expensive. I'm sure there are now, and are going to be people who will
> pay them what they ask, but I won't be one of them, unless their
> prices drop significantly.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 02:43:52PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > I have always heard good things about them.  I just wish I could get
> > DSL in my neighborhood so I could hook up with them.  I'm a Cognigen
> > rep and we sell Speakeasy and I would love to use them but... I'm too
> > far from my local central office so my line fails all DSL related loop
> > tests! So for the time being, it's Cox Cable with their port blocking <sigh>.
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 

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Re: pine

[Steve Holmes]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Cox blocks port 25 which is normal SMTP so that people can't send mail
directly to your own machine.  Similarly with port 80 which is HTTP.
The big intent here is they don't want you to be hosting servers on
your equipment.  For that, they will gladly sell you a business
account for I'm sure, lots more money.

I use Cisco's VPN client to connect up with my office and have no
problems at all.  Dunno if one tried it in the reverse direction where
the home machine were the server.

On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 03:36:03PM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> What kind of ports does cox block and for what purposes are they use?  Reason I
> ask is I no someone with cox who has trouble with a vpn client.

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Re: pine

[Janina Sajka]

Each of us makes our own choices, clearly. For me, price is not the only
factor to consider. Getting the service I'm paying for also factors very
highly. My experience previous to Speakeasy was that I got far less than
I was told to expect by my contract. With Speakeasy, I have not had such
a problem.

So, you want an old jalopy? You'll certainly find one for less than a
Caddilac. On the other hand ...


Steve Holmes writes:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Actually, if you have good accessible DSL in your area, I don't think
> their rates are too bad.  If you have to use one of their "outside"
> DSL providers that don't go through you LEC's central office, that's
> when the rates go up; that's my problem.  I could actually use
> Speakeasy if I wanted to pay over $55 per month and like you, I'm not
> willing to spend that much.  Cox is either $39 or $49 if you also get
> their TV but their download speeds are something like 5 megabit.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 03:54:36PM -0600, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > I considered speak easy more then once, but thought that their too
> > expensive. I'm sure there are now, and are going to be people who will
> > pay them what they ask, but I won't be one of them, unless their
> > prices drop significantly.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 02:43:52PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > I have always heard good things about them.  I just wish I could get
> > > DSL in my neighborhood so I could hook up with them.  I'm a Cognigen
> > > rep and we sell Speakeasy and I would love to use them but... I'm too
> > > far from my local central office so my line fails all DSL related loop
> > > tests! So for the time being, it's Cox Cable with their port blocking <sigh>.
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> 
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> The best solutions for the best price!
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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.

RE: spam: was Re: pine

[Dawes, Stephen]

I think a 486 is a little to lite for MailScanner, but that said, I have
successfully ran it on a P133 for quite some time without noticing any
big delays.



Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
 
 

NOTICE -
This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
> Sent: 2005 February 16 3:03 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: spam: was Re: pine
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> How big a machine must you have to run MailScanner on? I 
> unfortunately use a '486 for my inside local area mail host.  
> It works fine for just tossing and smart hosting mail but 
> when I ran Spam Assassin on it, it went down on its knees and 
> took over a minute to process one e-mail!
> It owuld have never kept up at that rate:).
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 09:00:14AM -0700, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I use MailScanner to filter out all spam virus and other 
> dangerous mail.
> > MailScanner, and the m of mail and the s of scanner are in 
> uppercase, 
> > is quite easy to install. It interfaces with a number of AV and 
> > anti-spam programs.
> > Check it out at:
> > MailScanner.info
> > 
> > Other things that I like about MailScanner:
> > -> that there is a good group on the mail list and they are vary 
> > -> helpful
> > in helping with problems.
> > -> it is easy to configure additional personal rules and 
> other filters.
> > -> it keeps the spam filters and AV dat files up-to-date 
> automatically.
> > -> you can have all message in HTML format automatically converted 
> > -> into
> > text. 
> > 'and these are but a few of the many features of MailScanner.
> > 
> > NOW, before you go-off and say that there are no virus on Linux, it 
> > doesn't matter. Because regardless of whether there are viruses on 
> > Linux or not, it is the message transporting the virus that is 
> > intercepted and immediately removed preventing it from being 
> > accidentally or otherwise spread to others that can be 
> affected by virus.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
> > Steve Dawes
> > Phone: (403) 268-5527
> > Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > NOTICE -
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> person or entity named above and may contain information that 
> is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the 
> intended recipient named above or a person responsible for 
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> recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, 
> distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the 
> information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you 
> have received this communication in error, please notify us 
> immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this 
> communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. 
> The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation.
> > 
> > 
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Re: spam: was Re: pine

[Steve Holmes]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

How big a machine must you have to run MailScanner on? I unfortunately
use a '486 for my inside local area mail host.  It works fine for just
tossing and smart hosting mail but when I ran Spam Assassin on it, it
went down on its knees and took over a minute to process one e-mail!
It owuld have never kept up at that rate:).

On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 09:00:14AM -0700, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I use MailScanner to filter out all spam virus and other dangerous mail.
> MailScanner, and the m of mail and the s of scanner are in uppercase, is
> quite easy to install. It interfaces with a number of AV and anti-spam
> programs.
> Check it out at:
> MailScanner.info
> 
> Other things that I like about MailScanner:
> -> that there is a good group on the mail list and they are vary helpful
> in helping with problems.
> -> it is easy to configure additional personal rules and other filters.
> -> it keeps the spam filters and AV dat files up-to-date automatically.
> -> you can have all message in HTML format automatically converted into
> text. 
> 'and these are but a few of the many features of MailScanner.
> 
> NOW, before you go-off and say that there are no virus on Linux, it
> doesn't matter. Because regardless of whether there are viruses on Linux
> or not, it is the message transporting the virus that is intercepted and
> immediately removed preventing it from being accidentally or otherwise
> spread to others that can be affected by virus.
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
> Steve Dawes
> Phone: (403) 268-5527
> Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
>  
>  
> 
> 
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RE: spam: was Re: pine

[Dawes, Stephen]

Hi all,

I use MailScanner to filter out all spam virus and other dangerous mail.
MailScanner, and the m of mail and the s of scanner are in uppercase, is
quite easy to install. It interfaces with a number of AV and anti-spam
programs.
Check it out at:
MailScanner.info

Other things that I like about MailScanner:
-> that there is a good group on the mail list and they are vary helpful
in helping with problems.
-> it is easy to configure additional personal rules and other filters.
-> it keeps the spam filters and AV dat files up-to-date automatically.
-> you can have all message in HTML format automatically converted into
text. 
'and these are but a few of the many features of MailScanner.

NOW, before you go-off and say that there are no virus on Linux, it
doesn't matter. Because regardless of whether there are viruses on Linux
or not, it is the message transporting the virus that is intercepted and
immediately removed preventing it from being accidentally or otherwise
spread to others that can be affected by virus.



Stephen Dawes  <B.A., B.Sc.>
Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
 
 


NOTICE -
This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation.