network device detection with FC2

network device detection with FC2

[Cheryl Homiak]

Hi all.
A few months ago I did a speakup-modified FC2 install on my laptop. My
network card was detected with no problem and I was prompted to set it up.

Now i'm installing FC2 on my desktop, using the October 15th installation
isos from the site. But I went through the installation screens three
times and I was never prompted for my network--though I did get the
firewall screen which I believe should come after it. Am I missing
something here or is it my 3com 3c509 card that isn't being detected or
what? I finally am going ahead with installing the packages, but this
means
I'll have to probably work on the network after the install is completed
and I wasn't planning on having to do that.
I did do a google search and found a couple other complaints about the
3c509 not working but I didn't find a solution or a reason. I'm starting
to get a complex about this card; first debian wouldn't recognize it in an
install--though now you can choose it from a list and it works--and now
this!!!
Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks.


-- 
Cheryl

"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: network device detection with FC2

[Gregory Nowak]

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Isn't the 3c509 an old ISA card? If so, then I haven't seen a distro
yet which automatically detects non-pnp isa cards, which is what I
believe the 3c509 is. I of course do stand to be corrected.

Greg


On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 01:58:01PM -0500, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> A few months ago I did a speakup-modified FC2 install on my laptop. My
> network card was detected with no problem and I was prompted to set it up.
> 
> Now i'm installing FC2 on my desktop, using the October 15th installation
> isos from the site. But I went through the installation screens three
> times and I was never prompted for my network--though I did get the
> firewall screen which I believe should come after it. Am I missing
> something here or is it my 3com 3c509 card that isn't being detected or
> what? I finally am going ahead with installing the packages, but this
> means
> I'll have to probably work on the network after the install is completed
> and I wasn't planning on having to do that.
> I did do a google search and found a couple other complaints about the
> 3c509 not working but I didn't find a solution or a reason. I'm starting
> to get a complex about this card; first debian wouldn't recognize it in an
> install--though now you can choose it from a list and it works--and now
> this!!!
> Any input would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
> 
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Re: network device detection with FC2

[Cheryl Homiak]

It is isa, but I didn't have any problem with it in knoppix or gentoo. Of
course I used knoppix in installing gentoo so I guess that only counts
once. And of course knoppix is a full livecd so I guess that's different.



-- 
Cheryl

"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: network device detection with FC2

[Janina Sajka]

Off the top of my head I don't recall what driver is used for that card,
but you should be able to find this via /etc/modules.conf (or the newer
/etc/modprobe.conf) in your previous installation--if you have a back of
/etc, for example.

If you need the driver during installation, you can switch consoles and
modprobe it in.

Worst case, it will not be that hard to add your network settings
later. The key is finding the appropriate driver. If you don't have a
backup of /etc, then you need to identify which driver that card
requires. The rest of the configuration is a matter of about 4 files
that you can easily edit by hand.


Cheryl Homiak writes:
> 
> Hi all.
> A few months ago I did a speakup-modified FC2 install on my laptop. My
> network card was detected with no problem and I was prompted to set it up.
> 
> Now i'm installing FC2 on my desktop, using the October 15th installation
> isos from the site. But I went through the installation screens three
> times and I was never prompted for my network--though I did get the
> firewall screen which I believe should come after it. Am I missing
> something here or is it my 3com 3c509 card that isn't being detected or
> what? I finally am going ahead with installing the packages, but this
> means
> I'll have to probably work on the network after the install is completed
> and I wasn't planning on having to do that.
> I did do a google search and found a couple other complaints about the
> 3c509 not working but I didn't find a solution or a reason. I'm starting
> to get a complex about this card; first debian wouldn't recognize it in an
> install--though now you can choose it from a list and it works--and now
> this!!!
> Any input would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: network device detection with FC2

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  The module is probably 3c509.o.
Since this is an ISA card, it won't likely be auto detected by any
distro's installer.  Switching to another console and modprobe 3c509
should get it working.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 11:45:09AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Off the top of my head I don't recall what driver is used for that card,
> but you should be able to find this via /etc/modules.conf (or the newer
> /etc/modprobe.conf) in your previous installation--if you have a back of
> /etc, for example.
> 
> If you need the driver during installation, you can switch consoles and
> modprobe it in.
> 
> Worst case, it will not be that hard to add your network settings
> later. The key is finding the appropriate driver. If you don't have a
> backup of /etc, then you need to identify which driver that card
> requires. The rest of the configuration is a matter of about 4 files
> that you can easily edit by hand.
> 
> 
> Cheryl Homiak writes:
> > 
> > Hi all.
> > A few months ago I did a speakup-modified FC2 install on my laptop. My
> > network card was detected with no problem and I was prompted to set it up.
> > 
> > Now i'm installing FC2 on my desktop, using the October 15th installation
> > isos from the site. But I went through the installation screens three
> > times and I was never prompted for my network--though I did get the
> > firewall screen which I believe should come after it. Am I missing
> > something here or is it my 3com 3c509 card that isn't being detected or
> > what? I finally am going ahead with installing the packages, but this
> > means
> > I'll have to probably work on the network after the install is completed
> > and I wasn't planning on having to do that.
> > I did do a google search and found a couple other complaints about the
> > 3c509 not working but I didn't find a solution or a reason. I'm starting
> > to get a complex about this card; first debian wouldn't recognize it in an
> > install--though now you can choose it from a list and it works--and now
> > this!!!
> > Any input would be appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Cheryl
> > 
> > "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Chair
> 				Accessibility Workgroup
> 				Free Standards Group (FSG)
> 
> janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> 
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Re: network device detection with FC2

[Cheryl Homiak]

Well, I got it working, but switching to the other console and doing
modprobe 3c509
didn't get a negative response but didn't get me the screen either. I was 
able to bring it up after the install and eventually I just recompiled the 
kernel with that built into the kernel; I know that might not have been 
the easiest way to do it but it worked. Once i did that my ethernet 
connection was started at boot. it might be nice if FC at least asked if 
you wanted to do a network and maybe gave you a list of cards/modules. But 
it wasn't really a huge problem once I figured out what I wanted to do 
about it.
Actually, isapnp does find my card.


-- 
Cheryl

"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: network device detection with FC2

[Janina Sajka]

Cheryl Homiak writes:
> it might be nice if FC at least asked if 
> you wanted to do a network and maybe gave you a list of cards/modules. But 
> it wasn't really a huge problem once I figured out what I wanted to do 
> about it.


It does. It just doesn't bother you with it if it thinks you don't have
a nic installed. So, you're not seeing the screens because it didn't
autodetect your nic.

Not only does it prompt you for installing networking, ordinarily, you
can even install over the network, from an nfs mount somewhere, or ftp
or http, for example.

Re: network device detection with FC2

[Cheryl Homiak]

Yeah, I did know that, because when I had installed on my laptop a few 
months ago, my nic card was detected and I got the networking screen. 
That's why I realized what was wrong when I didn't get the networking 
screen on my desktop. In some dists, you're still given a question or 
screen re: configuring the network even if your card isn't detected. But 
again, not a huge problem if you realize that's what's happening.


-- 
Cheryl

"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Re: network device detection with FC2

[Janina Sajka]

Well, the Red Hat installation documentation, which we do reference from
the Speakup Modified installation HOWTO, does detail how to handle
circumstances when hardware is not auto-detected correctly.

Of course, that's not a guarantee of success, but I did want to note the
documentation on this issue for the sake of completeness.

Cheryl Homiak writes:
> Yeah, I did know that, because when I had installed on my laptop a few 
> months ago, my nic card was detected and I got the networking screen. 
> That's why I realized what was wrong when I didn't get the networking 
> screen on my desktop. In some dists, you're still given a question or 
> screen re: configuring the network even if your card isn't detected. But 
> again, not a huge problem if you realize that's what's happening.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040