Confused on windows verses Linux networking

Confused on windows verses Linux networking

[Jared Stofflett]

I have two Linux boxes, both running fedora core 2. One is meant as a
windows file server so runs samba, and has the line in smb.conf that reads
something like
Hostname=dataServer
I know that this creates a NetBIOS name which is used to brows networks in
windows. I have another Linux box that I'm trying to run as a local web
server, so it's really stripped down. All windows clients are going to be
accessing it through internet explorer. I do not want to start to run samba,
but would like to have an easier way to access it then having to type in
192.168.0.109
I know I was able to access stuff on the box running samba by doing
http://dataServer:901
TO get to swatt, using the NetBIOS name as a fully qualified domain name.
Unfortunately all the stuff I've read about hostnames under Linux is
yourComputer.yourDomain.someOtherDomain.com
Is there a way to set the computer to ignore domains so that everything on
the same subnet such as 192.168.0.xxx will be able to do the following 
http://webserver
Where webserver is the Linux box that isn't running samba.
Everything I've read says I'd have to do
http://webserver.mydomain.com
Which assumes I own a domain, which I do not, and am not going to.
appreciate any help with this.

Re: Confused on windows verses Linux networking

[Luke Yelavich]

Hi
On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 08:30:41AM EST, Jared Stofflett wrote:
> I have two Linux boxes, both running fedora core 2. One is meant as a
> windows file server so runs samba, and has the line in smb.conf that reads
> something like
> Hostname=dataServer

You know you don't actually nee this. Samba will use the hostname set up in
the /etc/hosts file. This is only really needed IMO if you want the Samba
server to appear as a different name.

> I know that this creates a NetBIOS name which is used to brows networks in
> windows. I have another Linux box that I'm trying to run as a local web
> server, so it's really stripped down. All windows clients are going to be
> accessing it through internet explorer. I do not want to start to run samba,
> but would like to have an easier way to access it then having to type in
> 192.168.0.109

What you need to do is set up a local DNS server for your lan. The reason why
Samba machines are accessible with their name in Internet Explorer is because
Windows is using the NetBIOS name from Samba to resolve the IP address.

> I know I was able to access stuff on the box running samba by doing
> http://dataServer:901
> TO get to swatt, using the NetBIOS name as a fully qualified domain name.
> Unfortunately all the stuff I've read about hostnames under Linux is
> yourComputer.yourDomain.someOtherDomain.com

You don't have to do this, if everything is set up correctly. I have a simple
LAN domain name, but only have to enter a computer's hostname to access it.

> Is there a way to set the computer to ignore domains so that everything on
> the same subnet such as 192.168.0.xxx will be able to do the following 
> http://webserver
> Where webserver is the Linux box that isn't running samba.
> Everything I've read says I'd have to do
> http://webserver.mydomain.com
> Which assumes I own a domain, which I do not, and am not going to.
> appreciate any help with this.

If you are using a Linux box as a gateway/firewall for your network, I would
check out dnsmasq. Do a google for it. I am using it on my Gateway, and it takes
care of DHCP, and DNS for my LAN, and also acts as a caching DNS server for
access to the net. This means that all the computers on the LAN only point to
it for DNS requests, and it then uses my ISP DNS servers. If my ISP DNS servers
change, I don't have to go round changing all my machines, as the DHCP for my
net connection will handle that, and dnsmasq will do the rest.

hth

Luke

Re: Confused on windows verses Linux networking

[Gregory Nowak]

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The way I understand things,  you need to be on a domain of some sort,
be it a private one, since you can't just use host names. I use the
domain lan.lan, which works fine here. However, if you want to access
machines by name like you describe, you will need to either mess with
/etc/hosts, or setup a name server using bind for example.

Greg


On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 06:30:41PM -0400, Jared Stofflett wrote:
> I have two Linux boxes, both running fedora core 2. One is meant as a
> windows file server so runs samba, and has the line in smb.conf that reads
> something like
> Hostname=dataServer
> I know that this creates a NetBIOS name which is used to brows networks in
> windows. I have another Linux box that I'm trying to run as a local web
> server, so it's really stripped down. All windows clients are going to be
> accessing it through internet explorer. I do not want to start to run samba,
> but would like to have an easier way to access it then having to type in
> 192.168.0.109
> I know I was able to access stuff on the box running samba by doing
> http://dataServer:901
> TO get to swatt, using the NetBIOS name as a fully qualified domain name.
> Unfortunately all the stuff I've read about hostnames under Linux is
> yourComputer.yourDomain.someOtherDomain.com
> Is there a way to set the computer to ignore domains so that everything on
> the same subnet such as 192.168.0.xxx will be able to do the following 
> http://webserver
> Where webserver is the Linux box that isn't running samba.
> Everything I've read says I'd have to do
> http://webserver.mydomain.com
> Which assumes I own a domain, which I do not, and am not going to.
> appreciate any help with this.
> 
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RE: Confused on windows verses Linux networking

[Jared Stofflett]

Ok, this makes things more interesting. This machine has to go onto a
network ran by windows 2000 server for dns, so hopefully I can just use
ifconfig to set the machine a static ip and the dns server on windows 2000
can give it a nice name.

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The way I understand things,  you need to be on a domain of some sort, be it
a private one, since you can't just use host names. I use the domain
lan.lan, which works fine here. However, if you want to access machines by
name like you describe, you will need to either mess with /etc/hosts, or
setup a name server using bind for example.

Greg


On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 06:30:41PM -0400, Jared Stofflett wrote:
> I have two Linux boxes, both running fedora core 2. One is meant as a 
> windows file server so runs samba, and has the line in smb.conf that 
> reads something like Hostname=dataServer I know that this creates a 
> NetBIOS name which is used to brows networks in windows. I have 
> another Linux box that I'm trying to run as a local web server, so 
> it's really stripped down. All windows clients are going to be 
> accessing it through internet explorer. I do not want to start to run 
> samba, but would like to have an easier way to access it then having 
> to type in
> 192.168.0.109
> I know I was able to access stuff on the box running samba by doing
> http://dataServer:901
> TO get to swatt, using the NetBIOS name as a fully qualified domain name.
> Unfortunately all the stuff I've read about hostnames under Linux is 
> yourComputer.yourDomain.someOtherDomain.com
> Is there a way to set the computer to ignore domains so that 
> everything on the same subnet such as 192.168.0.xxx will be able to do 
> the following http://webserver Where webserver is the Linux box that 
> isn't running samba.
> Everything I've read says I'd have to do http://webserver.mydomain.com 
> Which assumes I own a domain, which I do not, and am not going to.
> appreciate any help with this.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> !DSPAM:411fe431175869618070793!
> 
> 

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Re: Confused on windows verses Linux networking

[Joseph C. Lininger]

The reason that the http://dataserver thing works is because samba registers
that name with netbios. Without netbios, the webserver name won't be
registered. However, you do have a work around. Simply add an entry to the
Windows hosts file to point the name webserver to the desired ip address.
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Subject: Confused on windows verses Linux networking


> I have two Linux boxes, both running fedora core 2. One is meant as a
> windows file server so runs samba, and has the line in smb.conf that reads
> something like
> Hostname=dataServer
> I know that this creates a NetBIOS name which is used to brows networks in
> windows. I have another Linux box that I'm trying to run as a local web
> server, so it's really stripped down. All windows clients are going to be
> accessing it through internet explorer. I do not want to start to run
samba,
> but would like to have an easier way to access it then having to type in
> 192.168.0.109
> I know I was able to access stuff on the box running samba by doing
> http://dataServer:901
> TO get to swatt, using the NetBIOS name as a fully qualified domain name.
> Unfortunately all the stuff I've read about hostnames under Linux is
> yourComputer.yourDomain.someOtherDomain.com
> Is there a way to set the computer to ignore domains so that everything on
> the same subnet such as 192.168.0.xxx will be able to do the following
> http://webserver
> Where webserver is the Linux box that isn't running samba.
> Everything I've read says I'd have to do
> http://webserver.mydomain.com
> Which assumes I own a domain, which I do not, and am not going to.
> appreciate any help with this.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Confused on windows verses Linux networking

[Alex Snow]

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try setting up a dnss erver on your local network...bind is pretty 
easy to configure and even easier if you use webmin.
On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 
at 06:30:41PM -0400, Jared Stofflett wrote:
> I have two Linux boxes, both running fedora core 2. One is meant as a
> windows file server so runs samba, and has the line in smb.conf that reads
> something like
> Hostname=dataServer
> I know that this creates a NetBIOS name which is used to brows networks in
> windows. I have another Linux box that I'm trying to run as a local web
> server, so it's really stripped down. All windows clients are going to be
> accessing it through internet explorer. I do not want to start to run samba,
> but would like to have an easier way to access it then having to type in
> 192.168.0.109
> I know I was able to access stuff on the box running samba by doing
> http://dataServer:901
> TO get to swatt, using the NetBIOS name as a fully qualified domain name.
> Unfortunately all the stuff I've read about hostnames under Linux is
> yourComputer.yourDomain.someOtherDomain.com
> Is there a way to set the computer to ignore domains so that everything on
> the same subnet such as 192.168.0.xxx will be able to do the following 
> http://webserver
> Where webserver is the Linux box that isn't running samba.
> Everything I've read says I'd have to do
> http://webserver.mydomain.com
> Which assumes I own a domain, which I do not, and am not going to.
> appreciate any help with this.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Confused on windows verses Linux networking

[Sean M McMahon]

Domain name servers are what translate domains, the ip address, into web 
addresses, like http://www.webserver.com.  Without one and without a 
domain name I believe that isn't possible.  Your 192.168.xxx address for 
the linux machine isn't set to any domain.  If you have multible ip 
addresses, you could try to connect to one of them from the other.  I'm 
guessing you don't and have nat running?  That means one outer ip address 
with multiple on your sub-net.  To summarize, your problem is like you 
giving yourself an address which is different then your mailing address.