gnome

gnome

[Farhan]

Hello all i was wondering what linux distro is the best for a newbie at 
this thing. my sighted friend has mandrake and i hurd there is a 
screenreader for gnome called  Gnopernicus what distro do i need to make 
this run and such.


Farhan
One Word Answers are the new era... 

Re: gnome

[Janina Sajka]

Gnopernicus isn't ready for prime time. If you like fussing with development technology you can certainly play with Gnopernicus whichever distro you install. But, if you're looking for a Linux screen reader, best stick with the tried, true and reliable Speakup.


Farhan writes:
> Hello all i was wondering what linux distro is the best for a newbie at 
> this thing. my sighted friend has mandrake and i hurd there is a 
> screenreader for gnome called  Gnopernicus what distro do i need to make 
> this run and such.
> 
> 
> Farhan
> One Word Answers are the new era... 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

		Chair, Accessibility Workgroup
	Free Standards Group (FSG)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: gnome

[Farhan]

Um what if your not good with command lines. i is there anyway for a gui to 
be inplamented
at 07:45 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote:
>Gnopernicus isn't ready for prime time. If you like fussing with 
>development technology you can certainly play with Gnopernicus whichever 
>distro you install. But, if you're looking for a Linux screen reader, best 
>stick with the tried, true and reliable Speakup.
>
>
>Farhan writes:
> > Hello all i was wondering what linux distro is the best for a newbie at
> > this thing. my sighted friend has mandrake and i hurd there is a
> > screenreader for gnome called  Gnopernicus what distro do i need to make
> > this run and such.
> >
> >
> > Farhan
> > One Word Answers are the new era...
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>--
>
>                                 Janina Sajka, Director
>                                 Technology Research and Development
>                                 Governmental Relations Group
>                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>                 Chair, Accessibility Workgroup
>         Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net           Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Farhan
One Word Answers are the new era... 

Re: gnome

[Janina Sajka]

I understand. However, the point remains that all the graphical screen readers are still developmental. They don't really work yet, to put it in simple words. There are two, however, gnopernicus and orca. Still, you'd best be quite expert at Linux to start mucking around with them. That's part of what I mean by "not ready."

On the other hand, Speakup isn't all command line. Programs like Mutt, Pine, and the Lynx and Links web browsers are not command line, strictly speaking. They present interfaces on screen, and they provide builtin help mechanisms. You should still consider Speakup even if you don't consider yourself good with command lines.

The truth of the matter is that you're still going to need Speakup some of the time even when the day comes that you can perfectly well use Gnopernicus all day long. Why? Because Gnopernicus won't speak until absolutely everything is loaded and running. Speakup, on the other hand, speaks from the very beginning of the process. So, if there's something amis and you need to ask for help--that's where you're going to get the information that people who want to help you are going to need in order to help you.

Or, look at this this way. Let's say it's now the year 2012 and you're using Gnopernicus with Open Office and Mozilla all day long. But, you can't get on the Internet--and you don't know why. All of a sudden it just stopped working.

The fix could be a very simple fix, but you can't easily debug the situation with GUI tools. Perhaps you can use the GNOME Terminal. But, the GNOME Terminal is a command line inside the GUI. So, why not have the Caddilac of command line accessibility at hand?

No, there's no day in the future when Speakup goes away. We're always going to need it.

Farhan writes:
> Um what if your not good with command lines. i is there anyway for a gui to 
> be inplamented
> at 07:45 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote:
> >Gnopernicus isn't ready for prime time. If you like fussing with 
> >development technology you can certainly play with Gnopernicus whichever 
> >distro you install. But, if you're looking for a Linux screen reader, best 
> >stick with the tried, true and reliable Speakup.
> >
> >
> >Farhan writes:
> >> Hello all i was wondering what linux distro is the best for a newbie at
> >> this thing. my sighted friend has mandrake and i hurd there is a
> >> screenreader for gnome called  Gnopernicus what distro do i need to make
> >> this run and such.
> >>
> >>
> >> Farhan
> >> One Word Answers are the new era...
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >--
> >
> >                                Janina Sajka, Director
> >                                Technology Research and Development
> >                                Governmental Relations Group
> >                                American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >                Chair, Accessibility Workgroup
> >        Free Standards Group (FSG)
> >
> >Email: janina@afb.net           Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> Farhan
> One Word Answers are the new era... 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

		Chair, Accessibility Workgroup
	Free Standards Group (FSG)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: gnome

[Farhan]

Ah i see what your saying. what if i don't have a hardware synth?  wht 
linux distro is good enough? suse? mandrake? redhat?
At 08:38 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote:
>I understand. However, the point remains that all the graphical screen 
>readers are still developmental. They don't really work yet, to put it in 
>simple words. There are two, however, gnopernicus and orca. Still, you'd 
>best be quite expert at Linux to start mucking around with them. That's 
>part of what I mean by "not ready."
>
>On the other hand, Speakup isn't all command line. Programs like Mutt, 
>Pine, and the Lynx and Links web browsers are not command line, strictly 
>speaking. They present interfaces on screen, and they provide builtin help 
>mechanisms. You should still consider Speakup even if you don't consider 
>yourself good with command lines.
>
>The truth of the matter is that you're still going to need Speakup some of 
>the time even when the day comes that you can perfectly well use 
>Gnopernicus all day long. Why? Because Gnopernicus won't speak until 
>absolutely everything is loaded and running. Speakup, on the other hand, 
>speaks from the very beginning of the process. So, if there's something 
>amis and you need to ask for help--that's where you're going to get the 
>information that people who want to help you are going to need in order to 
>help you.
>
>Or, look at this this way. Let's say it's now the year 2012 and you're 
>using Gnopernicus with Open Office and Mozilla all day long. But, you 
>can't get on the Internet--and you don't know why. All of a sudden it just 
>stopped working.
>
>The fix could be a very simple fix, but you can't easily debug the 
>situation with GUI tools. Perhaps you can use the GNOME Terminal. But, the 
>GNOME Terminal is a command line inside the GUI. So, why not have the 
>Caddilac of command line accessibility at hand?
>
>No, there's no day in the future when Speakup goes away. We're always 
>going to need it.
>
>Farhan writes:
> > Um what if your not good with command lines. i is there anyway for a 
> gui to
> > be inplamented
> > at 07:45 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote:
> > >Gnopernicus isn't ready for prime time. If you like fussing with
> > >development technology you can certainly play with Gnopernicus whichever
> > >distro you install. But, if you're looking for a Linux screen reader, 
> best
> > >stick with the tried, true and reliable Speakup.
> > >
> > >
> > >Farhan writes:
> > >> Hello all i was wondering what linux distro is the best for a newbie at
> > >> this thing. my sighted friend has mandrake and i hurd there is a
> > >> screenreader for gnome called  Gnopernicus what distro do i need to make
> > >> this run and such.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Farhan
> > >> One Word Answers are the new era...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >                                Janina Sajka, Director
> > >                                Technology Research and Development
> > >                                Governmental Relations Group
> > >                                American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > >                Chair, Accessibility Workgroup
> > >        Free Standards Group (FSG)
> > >
> > >Email: janina@afb.net           Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > Farhan
> > One Word Answers are the new era...
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>--
>
>                                 Janina Sajka, Director
>                                 Technology Research and Development
>                                 Governmental Relations Group
>                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>                 Chair, Accessibility Workgroup
>         Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
>Email: janina@afb.net           Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Farhan
One Word Answers are the new era... 

Re: gnome

[Shaun Oliver]

I heard tell that Farhan delivered up the following on Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 08:58:46AM -0500, 
*SNIP*
what if i don't have a hardware synth?  
wht 
> linux distro is good enough? suse? mandrake? redhat?


unlike windows you're not confined to one particular flavour.
the only advice we can give you is to choose the distro that you can get 
the most support for.
and on this list, that's slackware, debian, gen2, and fedora.
if you don't have a hardware synth you'll still miss out on hearing a 
kernel panic or any error that comes up before your sound does.
just correct janina on a minor detale,
speakup comes up after kernel decompress which is as early as you're 
going to get at this stage without modifying your bootloader's config 
file to have your prompt speak.
we're here to help and that means also helping you overcome your 
objections or try to meet them head on and give you enough information 
to get started in the linux world.
we all had to start somewhere.
hth


-- 
Shaun Oliver


"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au
WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/
IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
IRCNICK: blindman

Re: gnome

[Farhan]

The reason i asked about suse or mandrake because it autodetects all the 
networking stuff sinse i have a network i want to be abled to connect to te 
internet threw my router
at 09:12 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote:
>I heard tell that Farhan delivered up the following on Wed, Jun 02, 2004 
>at 08:58:46AM -0500,
>*SNIP*
>what if i don't have a hardware synth?
>wht
> > linux distro is good enough? suse? mandrake? redhat?
>
>
>unlike windows you're not confined to one particular flavour.
>the only advice we can give you is to choose the distro that you can get
>the most support for.
>and on this list, that's slackware, debian, gen2, and fedora.
>if you don't have a hardware synth you'll still miss out on hearing a
>kernel panic or any error that comes up before your sound does.
>just correct janina on a minor detale,
>speakup comes up after kernel decompress which is as early as you're
>going to get at this stage without modifying your bootloader's config
>file to have your prompt speak.
>we're here to help and that means also helping you overcome your
>objections or try to meet them head on and give you enough information
>to get started in the linux world.
>we all had to start somewhere.
>hth
>
>
>--
>Shaun Oliver
>
>
>"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
>email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au
>WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/
>IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
>IRCNICK: blindman
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Farhan
One Word Answers are the new era... 

Re: gnome

[Shaun Oliver]

you won't need to worry about autodetecting network cards and the like 
as a good many are suported under linux.
if you get stuck during an install we'll try to help in any way we can.

-- 
Shaun Oliver


"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au
WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/
IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
IRCNICK: blindman

Re: gnome

[Janina Sajka]

Everybody detects all the hardware--if they can. Nobody can set all the network data automatically unless via something like the dhcp protocol, in which case everybody does it.

This is no way to discriminate among the distros. It's nutty.

Farhan writes:
> The reason i asked about suse or mandrake because it autodetects all the 
> networking stuff sinse i have a network i want to be abled to connect to te 
> internet threw my router
> at 09:12 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote:
> >I heard tell that Farhan delivered up the following on Wed, Jun 02, 2004 
> >at 08:58:46AM -0500,
> >*SNIP*
> >what if i don't have a hardware synth?
> >wht
> >> linux distro is good enough? suse? mandrake? redhat?
> >
> >
> >unlike windows you're not confined to one particular flavour.
> >the only advice we can give you is to choose the distro that you can get
> >the most support for.
> >and on this list, that's slackware, debian, gen2, and fedora.
> >if you don't have a hardware synth you'll still miss out on hearing a
> >kernel panic or any error that comes up before your sound does.
> >just correct janina on a minor detale,
> >speakup comes up after kernel decompress which is as early as you're
> >going to get at this stage without modifying your bootloader's config
> >file to have your prompt speak.
> >we're here to help and that means also helping you overcome your
> >objections or try to meet them head on and give you enough information
> >to get started in the linux world.
> >we all had to start somewhere.
> >hth
> >
> >
> >--
> >Shaun Oliver
> >
> >
> >"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> >email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au
> >WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/
> >IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
> >IRCNICK: blindman
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> Farhan
> One Word Answers are the new era... 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

		Chair, Accessibility Workgroup
	Free Standards Group (FSG)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: gnome

[Janina Sajka]

Oopps, I have two other points that should have been in my last message. Sorry. Here they are:

4.)	Pcspkr is also important when starting a graphical desktop, especially when you're running at the runlevel that starts this automatically. A beep is played just as the login dialog appears on screen. So, this is a very important reason to make sure that your beeps are enabled during the boot process.

5.) You should also add a beep to lilo or grub--whichever you use.

For grub, use an editor like vim that can put Ctrl-G chars into text. I put a Ctrl-G right ahead of, and right behind the title of my kernel. You also have to defeat the splash image in order to hear this beep. So the three critical lines of grub.conf become:

timeout=20
#splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
title \aFedora Core (2.6.5-1.358spk)\a


Of course, your exact entries may be different, but this should help give you the idea.

BTW: To input a control char in vim, first issue Ctrl-V and the you can just do Ctrl-G and it will be pasted into the text.

For lilo, you would create a text /boot/message file and then rerun lilo. Here's an example:


\aWelcome to Toccata!\a

Re: gnome

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  Access to the GUI is still beeing developed.  Access to the console
works with no problems.
Even if you had complete access to the GUI, you will be running terminal
sessions to do things in a shell.

          Kenny

On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 08:13:35AM -0500, Farhan wrote:
> Um what if your not good with command lines. i is there anyway for a gui to 
> be inplamented
> at 07:45 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote:
> >Gnopernicus isn't ready for prime time. If you like fussing with 
> >development technology you can certainly play with Gnopernicus whichever 
> >distro you install. But, if you're looking for a Linux screen reader, best 
> >stick with the tried, true and reliable Speakup.
> >
> >
> >Farhan writes:
> >> Hello all i was wondering what linux distro is the best for a newbie at
> >> this thing. my sighted friend has mandrake and i hurd there is a
> >> screenreader for gnome called  Gnopernicus what distro do i need to make
> >> this run and such.
> >>
> >>
> >> Farhan
> >> One Word Answers are the new era...
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >--
> >
> >                                Janina Sajka, Director
> >                                Technology Research and Development
> >                                Governmental Relations Group
> >                                American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >                Chair, Accessibility Workgroup
> >        Free Standards Group (FSG)
> >
> >Email: janina@afb.net           Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> Farhan
> One Word Answers are the new era... 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

playing sounds at startup

[Stephen Clower]

Hello folks,
  A while back, I recall someone mentioning a way to cause Linux to play various sounds at different times such as at the login prompt and at shutdown. Since I mostly use software speech to access Linux, I don't have access until the login prompt, so it'd be nice to know when my machine is displaying it. If someone could send me that information again I'd appreciate it.
Thanks,
Steve

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
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MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
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You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: playing sounds at startup

[Farhan]

How do you use linux with software speech? what distro?
at 09:16 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote:
>Hello folks,
>   A while back, I recall someone mentioning a way to cause Linux to play 
> various sounds at different times such as at the login prompt and at 
> shutdown. Since I mostly use software speech to access Linux, I don't 
> have access until the login prompt, so it'd be nice to know when my 
> machine is displaying it. If someone could send me that information again 
> I'd appreciate it.
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
>Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
>You can reach me by any of the following:
>E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
>MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
>AIM: AudioRabbit03
>
>You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting 
>http://www.steve-audio.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Farhan
One Word Answers are the new era... 

Re: playing sounds at startup

[Stephen Clower]

Any distro will work with software speech, so long as it comes with sound support and a version of GCC. Aside from the really tiny distributions written for cell phones and the like, this shouldn't be a problem.


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On 6/2/2004 at 9:20 AM Farhan wrote:

>How do you use linux with software speech? what distro?
>at 09:16 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote:
>>Hello folks,
>>   A while back, I recall someone mentioning a way to cause Linux to play
>> various sounds at different times such as at the login prompt and at
>> shutdown. Since I mostly use software speech to access Linux, I don't
>> have access until the login prompt, so it'd be nice to know when my
>> machine is displaying it. If someone could send me that information
>again
>> I'd appreciate it.
>>Thanks,
>>Steve
>>
>>Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
>>You can reach me by any of the following:
>>E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
>>MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
>>AIM: AudioRabbit03
>>
>>You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
>>http://www.steve-audio.net
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Speakup mailing list
>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>Farhan
>One Word Answers are the new era...
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: playing sounds at startup

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
	What distro is a matter for you to choose. Look at the web sites, 
examine the feature lists, and decide for yourself. IMHO, it would 
probably be quickest to get speakup's software speech running on Fedora, 
since you won't have to mess around with kernel compiling, however speakup 
can be made to work on any distro, as can the software speech.
HTH
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Farhan wrote:

F> How do you use linux with software speech? what distro?

Re: playing sounds at startup

[Alex Snow]

You use something like yasr with flite. this isn't a good solution because
you won't see all the startup/shutdown messages you do with speakup.  The
only problem is installation. you will probably need another computer
running a telecom package like teraterm and a serial cable or a machine
running a telnet client for a redhat/fedora (?) telnet install.

Speakup does support software speech as of recently, but I cant comment on
it as I've never used it. Your best bet is still hardware speech if you can
get a synth.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Farhan" <corrupter@mchsi.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: playing sounds at startup


> How do you use linux with software speech? what distro?
> at 09:16 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote:
> >Hello folks,
> >   A while back, I recall someone mentioning a way to cause Linux to play
> > various sounds at different times such as at the login prompt and at
> > shutdown. Since I mostly use software speech to access Linux, I don't
> > have access until the login prompt, so it'd be nice to know when my
> > machine is displaying it. If someone could send me that information
again
> > I'd appreciate it.
> >Thanks,
> >Steve
> >
> >Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> >You can reach me by any of the following:
> >E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> >MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> >AIM: AudioRabbit03
> >
> >You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
> >http://www.steve-audio.net
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> Farhan
> One Word Answers are the new era...
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: playing sounds at startup

[Roy Nickelson]

hi,
just add a line like the following to /etc/rc.local

play /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav

This is assumming you are using redhat or fedora. 
Roy
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, 
Stephen Clower wrote:

> Hello folks,
>   A while back, I recall someone mentioning a way to cause Linux to play various sounds at different times such as at the login prompt and at shutdown. Since I mostly use software speech to access Linux, I don't have access until the login prompt, so it'd be nice to know when my machine is displaying it. If someone could send me that information again I'd appreciate it.
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
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Re: playing sounds at startup

[Gregory Nowak]

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What you can do is put a control g in your /etc/issue file. This will
beep your pc speaker when your /etc/issue file gets displayed, which
happens when the system is ready for you to login.

Greg


On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:16:55AM -0500, Stephen Clower wrote:
> Hello folks,
>   A while back, I recall someone mentioning a way to cause Linux to play various sounds at different times such as at the login prompt and at shutdown. Since I mostly use software speech to access Linux, I don't have access until the login prompt, so it'd be nice to know when my machine is displaying it. If someone could send me that information again I'd appreciate it.
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> You can reach me by any of the following:
> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> 
> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net
>     
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Re: playing sounds at startup

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Steve:

Yes, yes. This is important even if you do have a hardware synth for those of using laptops. Sometimes, you don't want to hook it up.

1.)	You can add something like:

aplay /boot/boot.wav

to your /etc/rc.local (or your distro's equivalent). That's what I do. And, using a generic sort of location like /boot/boot.wav lets you decide at any time that you want to change the sound you hear by simply copying a different .wav into that location.

2.)	I put 'aplay /boot/login.wav' and 'aplay /boot/logout.wav' into my .bash_profile and my .bash_logout. Perhaps a bit less useful, but these help me know about successful login/logout when speech isn't available.

3.)	Under the 2.6 kernels, be sure you've goot the beep working. On Fedora at least it's off by default. The best mechanism we've found so far to make sure it's always available is to add the pcspkr driver to your initrd. Of course, you can also modprobe for it -- but that's not helpful during boot! <grin>

Stephen Clower writes:
> Hello folks,
>   A while back, I recall someone mentioning a way to cause Linux to play various sounds at different times such as at the login prompt and at shutdown. Since I mostly use software speech to access Linux, I don't have access until the login prompt, so it'd be nice to know when my machine is displaying it. If someone could send me that information again I'd appreciate it.
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.

Re: gnome

[Alex Snow]

>> Um what if your not good with command lines.
Then read some docs. the commandline is pretty easy to pick up.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Farhan" <corrupter@mchsi.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: gnome


> Um what if your not good with command lines. i is there anyway for a gui
to
> be inplamented
> at 07:45 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote:
> >Gnopernicus isn't ready for prime time. If you like fussing with
> >development technology you can certainly play with Gnopernicus whichever
> >distro you install. But, if you're looking for a Linux screen reader,
best
> >stick with the tried, true and reliable Speakup.
> >
> >
> >Farhan writes:
> > > Hello all i was wondering what linux distro is the best for a newbie
at
> > > this thing. my sighted friend has mandrake and i hurd there is a
> > > screenreader for gnome called  Gnopernicus what distro do i need to
make
> > > this run and such.
> > >
> > >
> > > Farhan
> > > One Word Answers are the new era...
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Re: gnome

[David Csercsics]

>>> Um what if your not good with command lines.
>Then read some docs. the commandline is pretty easy to pick up.

Yup the DOS-to-Linux howto on tldp.org should be a good start.
Read man man and info info to learn how the docs that come with
Linux work.

Re: gnome

[Stephen Clower]

>>> Um what if your not good with command lines.
>Then read some docs. the commandline is pretty easy to pick up.
You'll find that once you've gotten the hang of the command line, it's much easier to accomplish a lot of tasks with Linux. Maybe 'm just biased because I remember the good old days with MS-DOS, but using text in and text out eliminates most of the unnecessary garbage cluttering both the screen and the computer's memory.

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
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MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
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You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: gnome

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  For now, I believe having console access is a requirement for any
blind person trying to use gnopernicus.  Gnopernicus is improving, but
it's not there yet.

          Kenny

On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 08:45:18AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Gnopernicus isn't ready for prime time. If you like fussing with development technology you can certainly play with Gnopernicus whichever distro you install. But, if you're looking for a Linux screen reader, best stick with the tried, true and reliable Speakup.
> 
> 
> Farhan writes:
> > Hello all i was wondering what linux distro is the best for a newbie at 
> > this thing. my sighted friend has mandrake and i hurd there is a 
> > screenreader for gnome called  Gnopernicus what distro do i need to make 
> > this run and such.
> > 
> > 
> > Farhan
> > One Word Answers are the new era... 
> > 
> > 
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> 
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Re: gnome

[Stephen Clower]

Farhan,
  For now, don't bother with Gnome or Gnopernicus. Gnopernicus is still very developmental, and it's not really suited for the Linux newbie. As for which distribution is the best, you'll have to decide that on your own. All of the popular distributions work with Gnome, and most come with that desktop already built in. If you don't have a hardware synthesizer, you'll probably need some sighted help getting things installed and configured, but once there you can install a software synthesizer such as Flite, a screen reader like YASR, and be on your way with a talking Linux distribution. The new pre-2.0 version of Speakup also supports software speech, and it seems to work much better than does YASR, but it's much easier to obtain and start YASR.
Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: Gnome

[tony seth]

Hey Robbie, which distro are you using tha build script on?  Just 
curious, I have been thinking of playing with gnome, but not sure which 
distro to work with... I use slackware, but their gnome packages are 
broken, I've heard other people having success with it on slackware, 
but it seems more people have had better luck with debian and fadora... 
thanks much.
Cheereo.

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Re: Gnome

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I am using Slackware.  Now, it is complaining that it doesn't have
everything avaiable for Python so I am downloading the Python
distribution right now and trying that out.  this is truly a pain.  I
hope it is worth all of the time when I am done.  Oh did I mention that
I am on dial up?  LOL

On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 05:41:08PM -0400, tony seth wrote:
> Hey Robbie, which distro are you using tha build script on?  Just 
> curious, I have been thinking of playing with gnome, but not sure which 
> distro to work with... I use slackware, but their gnome packages are 
> broken, I've heard other people having success with it on slackware, 
> but it seems more people have had better luck with debian and fadora... 
> thanks much.
> Cheereo.
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Gnome

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Hello all,

I just downloaded and set up Gnome using Garnome from www.gnome.org.
This is a script that automates the process by downloading all of the
tarballs and installing it all.  Now, how do I start it?  I created
.xession and .xinitrc files but startx does not work.  It gives me an
error like connection reset by peer or something.

Robby
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RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Dawes, Stephen]

Janina,

As a suggestion, you may want to add a section on yum into your how-to. 

If you don't know yum, it is an easy-to-use command-line-based
application that does an excellent job of managing your rpms. Yum is
also very useful for doing such system activities as: 
Installing applications.
Removing applications.
Keeping your system up-to-date.
Doing system upgrades.
The overall advantage to yum is that it takes away all the guess work
when it comes to dependencies.

I have found a partial yum how-to at:
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO.html 
that you maybe able to use / modify for the speakup community.

The yum info page can be found at:
https://lists.linux.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/yum

Otherwise, the How-to that I read on RH9 was easy to follow.

Just my thoughts for the future.

OH YEAH! I did an "yum upgrade" to fedora to see if it can be done, and
it worked like a charm. Once all was done, I re-started my computer and
was running fedora. Ain't life good!

Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca



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Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Darragh]

simple question really.  but I don't have the answer.  for installing the
kurnel I type the line
rpm -i kernel-2.4.22-2.nptlspk2.i686.rpm
and hit enter but I get an error message. any ideas why?
I've tried using the fool path as well with no change.

Darragh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dawes, Stephen" <Stephen.Dawes@calgary.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads


Janina,

As a suggestion, you may want to add a section on yum into your how-to.

If you don't know yum, it is an easy-to-use command-line-based
application that does an excellent job of managing your rpms. Yum is
also very useful for doing such system activities as:
Installing applications.
Removing applications.
Keeping your system up-to-date.
Doing system upgrades.
The overall advantage to yum is that it takes away all the guess work
when it comes to dependencies.

I have found a partial yum how-to at:
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO.html
that you maybe able to use / modify for the speakup community.

The yum info page can be found at:
https://lists.linux.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/yum

Otherwise, the How-to that I read on RH9 was easy to follow.

Just my thoughts for the future.

OH YEAH! I did an "yum upgrade" to fedora to see if it can be done, and
it worked like a charm. Once all was done, I re-started my computer and
was running fedora. Ain't life good!

Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca



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Re: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads

[Janina Sajka]

Darragh writes:
> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> 
> simple question really.  but I don't have the answer.  for installing the
> kurnel I type the line
> rpm -i kernel-2.4.22-2.nptlspk2.i686.rpm
> and hit enter but I get an error message. any ideas why?

What error? And where, exactly, did this kernel come from? I'm asking
for the specifics as this same kernel name will show up in several
directories--dfor the reason that it's to be matched to the installed
system.

You can't mix. You have to match.


> I've tried using the fool path as well with no change.
> 
> Darragh
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dawes, Stephen" <Stephen.Dawes@calgary.ca>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:27 PM
> Subject: RE: Fedora, Good Newby howtos, mailing lists and downloads
> 
> 
> Janina,
> 
> As a suggestion, you may want to add a section on yum into your how-to.
> 
> If you don't know yum, it is an easy-to-use command-line-based
> application that does an excellent job of managing your rpms. Yum is
> also very useful for doing such system activities as:
> Installing applications.
> Removing applications.
> Keeping your system up-to-date.
> Doing system upgrades.
> The overall advantage to yum is that it takes away all the guess work
> when it comes to dependencies.
> 
> I have found a partial yum how-to at:
> http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO.html
> that you maybe able to use / modify for the speakup community.
> 
> The yum info page can be found at:
> https://lists.linux.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/yum
> 
> Otherwise, the How-to that I read on RH9 was easy to follow.
> 
> Just my thoughts for the future.
> 
> OH YEAH! I did an "yum upgrade" to fedora to see if it can be done, and
> it worked like a charm. Once all was done, I re-started my computer and
> was running fedora. Ain't life good!
> 
> Steve Dawes
> Phone: (403) 268-5527
> Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
> 
> 
> 
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gnome

[Darragh]

While this thing is compiling away, can I first say thanks to every one who
has helped me this far.  hmm, hopefully it compiles without errors now!

Can any one tell me how to get started with Gnopernicus?  I'm not going to
get to it until the weekend but while I'm waiting on things to lode I would
like to be reading up on it so I have an idea what to expect.

Thanks

Darragh

gnome

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys, anyone ever here used gnome?
How well does it work?
I'm interested in getting involved with it.
Any ideas where to start?

Thanks,
Jed

Re: gnome

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, I use gnome 2.2 on a Red Hat 9.0 box.
However, not everything is perfect yet, and you are limited in accessible
applications at this point.

Some of the more accessible apps for gnome include:

balsa email client.
gedit text editor.
gnome calculator.
gnome dictionary.
gnome cd player.

Java applications written with accessible swing such as the notepad program
can be used if the java-access-bridge is working properly.



----- Original Message -----
From: Jed Barton <jed@jedbarton.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:46 PM
Subject: gnome


> Hey guys, anyone ever here used gnome?
> How well does it work?
> I'm interested in getting involved with it.
> Any ideas where to start?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
>
>
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Re: gnome

[Lorenzo Prince]

The gnome screen reader is difficult to install and is still quite a bit 
buggy at this point, but things are being fixed rather quickly.  Also, the 
developers of the screen reading package need all the help they can get, 
do if you feel like going ahead and trying it out, feel free to do so, and 
report any bugs you see, and if you like programming, they could probably 
use that help too.  The more people there are who are willing to test the 
software and help in its development, the sooner it will be usable by the 
general population, and the more useful it will be.

Lorenzo

Jed Barton staggered into view and mumbled:

> Hey guys, anyone ever here used gnome?
> How well does it work?
> I'm interested in getting involved with it.
> Any ideas where to start?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jed
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