Hello.

Hello.

[Effortless Union with the Divine]

Hi, hopefully this works, still getting the kinks worked out of this
Debian system. Speakup has presented a whole new world of opportunity to
the blind, and it feels excited to become involved with it. A few things
imediately noticed: Debian installation media needs updating. The reiser
disk doesn't work, and for the part where the installer needs to copy
the installation media, you need to use the regular root disk as opposed
to the speakup-enabled one. After getting the system installed OK, an
annoying bios problem tripped us up for a while, totally unrelated to
speakup of course, but just for note if anyone haas two drives, and lilo
just won't even load (use the serial option to hear it), a bug in the
bios may reverse the drive letters. For a stop-gap solution you can use
the swap and drive directives (read up on them) in the lilo.conf. Lilo
will complain bitterly, so you will have to get a sighted friend go into
the bios and disable the second hard drive. Also, maybe disabling the
hardware jumper on the second drive.

Back to the intallation, which went OK after that. Now some speakup 
problems:
using an Artic Transport.
The rate, vol, and pitch parameters don't seem to take imediate effect. 
Putting them in the append line of lilo.conf with the speakup_ser and 
speakup_synth parameters wich do work, doesn't. Putting them in 
~/.bash_profile doesn't work when logging in, though it does copy the 
correct values to the /proc/speakup files, it only takes effect when 
rerunning the .bash_profile. Strangeness. Anyone have any ideas?
Oh yes and that brings up the next question. This system ahas the 
awesomely enabling speakup-2.4.24 kernel image, from the Debian testing 
branch. Some posts refer to a new version of speakup, 2.0, available 
through cvs. Would anyone have any recommendations as to staying with 
the current setup, or getting cvs working, getting the new source, and 
making a custom kernel, which this would require, true?
Thanks for any help anyone can give. Speakup rocks. One post said 2.0 
allows easier reassigning of keys. Speaking of, where does debian keep 
that? Oh also, sometimes when reading the screen, it won't print a new 
line of text. Oh and it read the string
-rwx--x--x as a single - "dash".
and some cursor tracking would come in handy, say in lynx for arrowing 
to a link on which to hit d.

Seeya.

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Hello

[KatolaZ]

Hi there,

I am the guy working on the minimal Devuan live images, and as you
might remember I am interested in making those live ISOs usable by
visually impaired users, although my experience in this field is
*very* *limited*. You can find the current images (still in
development) at the following URL:

  http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu

These images ship with espeak/espeakup, brltty, and yasr by default. I
have exchanged a few emails with Greg Nowak on this matter, and he
suggested me to join this mailing-list, to speed-up the process of
getting feedback and asking you for useful features.

Following the comments forwarded by some of you, I am currently
working on providing an accessible run-level on those live-images,
which will include:

1) audible feedback during the boot;

2) automatic login for root and regular user, to speedup
configuration;

3) hopefully, configuration of the sound card to use with
espeak/espeakup.

If you don't mind, I will post updates on my progress here, every now
and then, and I would be grateful to you for any comment, suggestion,
critic that you would be so kind to provide.

Thanks in advance for any help you will be able to provide.

HND

KatolaZ

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Re: Hello

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi,

It’s awesome to see you interested in making these images accessible. 
Keep up the good work, and I’ll personally be following the progress 
very closely! :-)

On 6/4/2016 10:55 PM, KatolaZ wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I am the guy working on the minimal Devuan live images, and as you
> might remember I am interested in making those live ISOs usable by
> visually impaired users, although my experience in this field is
> *very* *limited*. You can find the current images (still in
> development) at the following URL:
>
>    http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu
>
> These images ship with espeak/espeakup, brltty, and yasr by default. I
> have exchanged a few emails with Greg Nowak on this matter, and he
> suggested me to join this mailing-list, to speed-up the process of
> getting feedback and asking you for useful features.
>
> Following the comments forwarded by some of you, I am currently
> working on providing an accessible run-level on those live-images,
> which will include:
>
> 1) audible feedback during the boot;
>
> 2) automatic login for root and regular user, to speedup
> configuration;
>
> 3) hopefully, configuration of the sound card to use with
> espeak/espeakup.
>
> If you don't mind, I will post updates on my progress here, every now
> and then, and I would be grateful to you for any comment, suggestion,
> critic that you would be so kind to provide.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you will be able to provide.
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ
>
​

Re: Hello

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Jun 05, 2016 at 08:55:17AM +0430, Parham Doustdar wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It’s awesome to see you interested in making these images accessible. Keep
> up the good work, and I’ll personally be following the progress very
> closely! :-)
> 

Hi Parham,

thanks for your encouragement. I am currently working at the next
version of the images, which already include beeps for accessible boot
entries, and an accessible runlevel with autologin (with "root" on
tty1 and "devuan" on tty2-6), audible boot feedback, and beep when the
prompts are ready.

I will keep you posted.

HND

KatolaZ


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Re: Hello

[Jude DaShiell]

Is some form of wifi support planned for devuan?  I was able to run it 
locally and will try it with an ethernet connection to see if it gets 
out onto the internet when I do that.
If emacs is already on devuan it would be possible with edits of 
probably three files to install emacspeak-git and get it working pretty 
quickly.  export DTK_PROGRAM=speakup_soft in each .profile file and a 
line in each user's .emacs file given on the emacspeak-git distro's info 
page should get that done.

On Sat, 4 Jun 2016, KatolaZ wrote:

> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 14:25:00
> From: KatolaZ <katolaz@freaknet.org>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> To: speakup@linux-speakup.org
> Subject: Hello
> 
> Hi there,
>
> I am the guy working on the minimal Devuan live images, and as you
> might remember I am interested in making those live ISOs usable by
> visually impaired users, although my experience in this field is
> *very* *limited*. You can find the current images (still in
> development) at the following URL:
>
>  http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu
>
> These images ship with espeak/espeakup, brltty, and yasr by default. I
> have exchanged a few emails with Greg Nowak on this matter, and he
> suggested me to join this mailing-list, to speed-up the process of
> getting feedback and asking you for useful features.
>
> Following the comments forwarded by some of you, I am currently
> working on providing an accessible run-level on those live-images,
> which will include:
>
> 1) audible feedback during the boot;
>
> 2) automatic login for root and regular user, to speedup
> configuration;
>
> 3) hopefully, configuration of the sound card to use with
> espeak/espeakup.
>
> If you don't mind, I will post updates on my progress here, every now
> and then, and I would be grateful to you for any comment, suggestion,
> critic that you would be so kind to provide.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you will be able to provide.
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ
>
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Re: Hello

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Jun 05, 2016 at 08:45:32AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

Hi Jude,

answers are inline below.

> Is some form of wifi support planned for devuan?  I was able to run it
> locally and will try it with an ethernet connection to see if it gets out
> onto the internet when I do that.

In the last images there is a minimal wpa_supplicant.conf, which
should be sufficient to configure wifi using wpa_cli. I am aware that
this is not ideal, but I couldn't find a proper network manager to
include in the minimal live (almost all of them are bloated, and
require a massive amount of dependencies). I know that the Devuan
developers are working at a minimal console-based connection manager,
but that is not yet there.

In the meanwhile, I am also trying to include the accessible boot
option in the standard live (which will have higher requirements in
terms of both RAM and disk footprint), and this is a very good
suggestion. 

> If emacs is already on devuan it would be possible with edits of probably
> three files to install emacspeak-git and get it working pretty quickly.
> export DTK_PROGRAM=speakup_soft in each .profile file and a line in each
> user's .emacs file given on the emacspeak-git distro's info page should get
> that done.
>

Emacs is on Devuan, but not in these minimal live images, where only
zile (a tiny emacs clone) is available. So at the moment there is no
support for emacspeak either :( Sorry for that. I am working to keep
these images really "minimal", in terms of disk and memory
requirements.

Nevertheless, I am planning to include the possibility of installing
"on-the-fly" specific sets of packages, e.g. emacspeak, by choosing
them from a simple menu, but this is something that might require a
bit of work to become useful.

Thanks again for your feedback :)

HND

KatolaZ

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Re: Hello

[Jude DaShiell]

archlinux for command line wifi configuration uses a package called 
netctl one of its dependencies is dialog and there are other 
dependencies too but I suspect netctl with all dependencies installed 
will be a good deal smaller than any of the other network managers you 
have researched to date.  For the record, the wifi adapter I have is a 
ralink which on debian requires fnon-free firmware but installs without 
that on talkingarchlinux just needing netctl package and dialog.  If you 
try netctl, the wifimenu command will be installed and that's what you 
use to start things off.  wifimenu -o if netctl finds a wifi adapter it 
can use will get you a list of available networks from which to select 
and then it's a matter of netctl list to show availablenetworks 
andnetctl start first network string in list from netctl list then 
netctl enable networkstrring to make that network come up automatically 
on boot.

On Sun, 5 Jun 2016, KatolaZ wrote:

> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:08:25
> From: KatolaZ <katolaz@freaknet.org>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: Hello
> 
> On Sun, Jun 05, 2016 at 08:45:32AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> Hi Jude,
>
> answers are inline below.
>
>> Is some form of wifi support planned for devuan?  I was able to run it
>> locally and will try it with an ethernet connection to see if it gets out
>> onto the internet when I do that.
>
> In the last images there is a minimal wpa_supplicant.conf, which
> should be sufficient to configure wifi using wpa_cli. I am aware that
> this is not ideal, but I couldn't find a proper network manager to
> include in the minimal live (almost all of them are bloated, and
> require a massive amount of dependencies). I know that the Devuan
> developers are working at a minimal console-based connection manager,
> but that is not yet there.
>
> In the meanwhile, I am also trying to include the accessible boot
> option in the standard live (which will have higher requirements in
> terms of both RAM and disk footprint), and this is a very good
> suggestion. 
>
>> If emacs is already on devuan it would be possible with edits of probably
>> three files to install emacspeak-git and get it working pretty quickly.
>> export DTK_PROGRAM=speakup_soft in each .profile file and a line in each
>> user's .emacs file given on the emacspeak-git distro's info page should get
>> that done.
>>
>
> Emacs is on Devuan, but not in these minimal live images, where only
> zile (a tiny emacs clone) is available. So at the moment there is no
> support for emacspeak either :( Sorry for that. I am working to keep
> these images really "minimal", in terms of disk and memory
> requirements.
>
> Nevertheless, I am planning to include the possibility of installing
> "on-the-fly" specific sets of packages, e.g. emacspeak, by choosing
> them from a simple menu, but this is something that might require a
> bit of work to become useful.
>
> Thanks again for your feedback :)
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ
>
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Re: Hello

[KatolaZ]

On Mon, Jun 06, 2016 at 11:42:08AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> archlinux for command line wifi configuration uses a package called netctl
> one of its dependencies is dialog and there are other dependencies too but I
> suspect netctl with all dependencies installed will be a good deal smaller
> than any of the other network managers you have researched to date.  For the
> record, the wifi adapter I have is a ralink which on debian requires
> fnon-free firmware but installs without that on talkingarchlinux just

Hi Jude,

thank you very much for your feedback, which is very much
appreciated. I will go and have a look to this netctl used in Arch.
Concerning firmware, we will surely add all the free firwmares in th
enext release, but most probably no non-free firmware will be shipped
with the standard version.

Thanks

KatolaZ

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Re: Hello

[John G Heim]

I am able to verify that devuan works with my 40-cell braille display 
from Freedom Scientific.

What is the login id & password? I was able to guess it, I think. I used 
devuan/devuan. But then I couldn't sudo. So then I couldn't test 
speakup. Is there some other login that has sudo rights?

I was also able to validate that sound is working. This is on a Dell 
720. I rand espeak and it worked.

One suggestion ... It would be helpful if the syslinux splash screen is 
brighter. If the syslinux splash screen is really bright, a partially 
sighted person can tell when the poot prompt is displayed. A totally 
blind person can use a light probe or a smart phone app.

On 06/04/2016 01:25 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I am the guy working on the minimal Devuan live images, and as you
> might remember I am interested in making those live ISOs usable by
> visually impaired users, although my experience in this field is
> *very* *limited*. You can find the current images (still in
> development) at the following URL:
>
>    http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu
>
> These images ship with espeak/espeakup, brltty, and yasr by default. I
> have exchanged a few emails with Greg Nowak on this matter, and he
> suggested me to join this mailing-list, to speed-up the process of
> getting feedback and asking you for useful features.
>
> Following the comments forwarded by some of you, I am currently
> working on providing an accessible run-level on those live-images,
> which will include:
>
> 1) audible feedback during the boot;
>
> 2) automatic login for root and regular user, to speedup
> configuration;
>
> 3) hopefully, configuration of the sound card to use with
> espeak/espeakup.
>
> If you don't mind, I will post updates on my progress here, every now
> and then, and I would be grateful to you for any comment, suggestion,
> critic that you would be so kind to provide.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you will be able to provide.
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ
>

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Re: Hello

[Gregory Nowak]

On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 02:17:12PM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
> What is the login id & password? I was able to guess it, I think. I
> used devuan/devuan. But then I couldn't sudo. So then I couldn't
> test speakup. Is there some other login that has sudo rights?

Logging in as root/toor will give you root access. This is mentioned
on the page where you can download the images from.

Greg


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Re: Hello

[John G Heim]

Well, the login info is on there alright but it's pretty well hidden. 
Once I was able to log in as root, I was able to get speakup working 
with software speech. No luck with my Tripletalk hardware synth though.  
We had a thread about serial port hardware synths just a few months ago. 
IIRC, you had to put something in grub. I never got that to work and it 
doesn't apply here anyway. But I see there is a /dev/ttyS0 and I believe 
the most recent speakup patches require you to keep the kernel from 
creating a /dev/ttyS0 before they can load a speakup hardware synt 
driver module.






On 06/07/2016 03:09 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 02:17:12PM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
>> What is the login id & password? I was able to guess it, I think. I
>> used devuan/devuan. But then I couldn't sudo. So then I couldn't
>> test speakup. Is there some other login that has sudo rights?
> Logging in as root/toor will give you root access. This is mentioned
> on the page where you can download the images from.
>
> Greg
>
>

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Re: Hello

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 03:41:11PM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
> Well, the login info is on there alright but it's pretty well hidden. Once I
> was able to log in as root, I was able to get speakup working with software
> speech. No luck with my Tripletalk hardware synth though.  We had a thread


Sorry for that. Regular user is devuan/devuan. Administrator is
root/toor. In the next release I am working on, the accessible
runlevel already has autologin (root on tty1 and devuan on the other 5
ttys). 

> about serial port hardware synths just a few months ago. IIRC, you had to
> put something in grub. I never got that to work and it doesn't apply here
> anyway. But I see there is a /dev/ttyS0 and I believe the most recent
> speakup patches require you to keep the kernel from creating a /dev/ttyS0
> before they can load a speakup hardware synt driver module.
> 
> 

Here I really need your help guys. We don't have grub in the Devuan
minimal live, but I am sure we can find a workaround. But please point
me to the stuff I need to study :)

HND

KatolaZ

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Re: Hello

[Gregory Nowak]

On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 03:41:11PM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
> Once I was able to log in as root, I was able to get speakup
> working with software speech. No luck with my Tripletalk hardware
> synth though.  We had a thread about serial port hardware synths
> just a few months ago. IIRC, you had to put something in grub. I
> never got that to work and it doesn't apply here anyway. But I see
> there is a /dev/ttyS0 and I believe the most recent speakup patches
> require you to keep the kernel from creating a /dev/ttyS0 before
> they can load a speakup hardware synt driver module.

I don't have a tripletalk here, so can't comment. However, I can tell
you that I've tried using the devuan minimal i386 iso with a bns 640
via the speakup_bns module, and that works just fine. All I
needed to do is modprobe speakup_bns, and it came right up talking
through the bns. So, I know the bns driver at least
works right out of the box.

Greg


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Re: Hello

[Zachary Kline]

Hi,

Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t these only work if you have hardware serial ports on the motherboard? These have been virtually unheard of on modern desktops and laptops for years. If it were possible for Speakup to work with USB serial synthesizers, that would be ideal.

Sorry for the thread hijack,
Zack.
> On Jun 7, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Gregory Nowak <greg@gregn.net> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 03:41:11PM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
>> Once I was able to log in as root, I was able to get speakup
>> working with software speech. No luck with my Tripletalk hardware
>> synth though.  We had a thread about serial port hardware synths
>> just a few months ago. IIRC, you had to put something in grub. I
>> never got that to work and it doesn't apply here anyway. But I see
>> there is a /dev/ttyS0 and I believe the most recent speakup patches
>> require you to keep the kernel from creating a /dev/ttyS0 before
>> they can load a speakup hardware synt driver module.
> 
> I don't have a tripletalk here, so can't comment. However, I can tell
> you that I've tried using the devuan minimal i386 iso with a bns 640
> via the speakup_bns module, and that works just fine. All I
> needed to do is modprobe speakup_bns, and it came right up talking
> through the bns. So, I know the bns driver at least
> works right out of the box.
> 
> Greg
> 
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Re: Hello

[Gregory Nowak]

Yes, as far as I know speakup doesn't yet support serial ports that
are pci or usb converters. I did my testing with the bns on a machine
with standard serial ports on the motherboard. For what it's worth, I
also tried the devuan minimal i386 iso with a doubletalk pc, and that
works fine too.

Greg


On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 03:30:37PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t these only work if you have hardware serial ports on the motherboard? These have been virtually unheard of on modern desktops and laptops for years. If it were possible for Speakup to work with USB serial synthesizers, that would be ideal.


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Re: Hello

[John G Heim]

Huh... The tripletalk uses the same driver as the doubletalk. So you're 
saying you typede, "modprobe speakup_ltlk" and it worked? I'm running 
the i386 version of devuan. I'm about as sure as I can be that my synth 
works. I can type "uname -r > /dev/ttyS0" and the kernel version is 
spoken via the tripletalk.

On 06/07/2016 05:37 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Yes, as far as I know speakup doesn't yet support serial ports that
> are pci or usb converters. I did my testing with the bns on a machine
> with standard serial ports on the motherboard. For what it's worth, I
> also tried the devuan minimal i386 iso with a doubletalk pc, and that
> works fine too.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 03:30:37PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t these only work if you have hardware serial ports on the motherboard? These have been virtually unheard of on modern desktops and laptops for years. If it were possible for Speakup to work with USB serial synthesizers, that would be ideal.
>

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Re: Hello

[covici]

How did you get that to work -- did you patch serialio.c or are you
using  an older kernel?

John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:

> 
> Huh... The tripletalk uses the same driver as the doubletalk. So
> you're saying you typede, "modprobe speakup_ltlk" and it worked? I'm
> running the i386 version of devuan. I'm about as sure as I can be that
> my synth works. I can type "uname -r > /dev/ttyS0" and the kernel
> version is spoken via the tripletalk.
> 
> On 06/07/2016 05:37 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > Yes, as far as I know speakup doesn't yet support serial ports that
> > are pci or usb converters. I did my testing with the bns on a machine
> > with standard serial ports on the motherboard. For what it's worth, I
> > also tried the devuan minimal i386 iso with a doubletalk pc, and that
> > works fine too.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 03:30:37PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t these only work if you have hardware serial ports on the motherboard? These have been virtually unheard of on modern desktops and laptops for years. If it were possible for Speakup to work with USB serial synthesizers, that would be ideal.
> >
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Re: Hello

[Gregory Nowak]

On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 08:58:03AM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
> you're saying you typede, "modprobe speakup_ltlk" and it worked? I'm

No. If you go back and read my reply below, you'll note I specifically
said I tested with a doubletalk pc, not a doubletalk sa. What that
means then is that I typed:

modprobe speakup_dtlk

and got speech.

Greg


> running the i386 version of devuan. I'm about as sure as I can be
> that my synth works. I can type "uname -r > /dev/ttyS0" and the
> kernel version is spoken via the tripletalk.
> 
> On 06/07/2016 05:37 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> >Yes, as far as I know speakup doesn't yet support serial ports that
> >are pci or usb converters. I did my testing with the bns on a machine
> >with standard serial ports on the motherboard. For what it's worth, I
> >also tried the devuan minimal i386 iso with a doubletalk pc, and that
> >works fine too.
> >
> >Greg
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 03:30:37PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t these only work if you have hardware serial ports on the motherboard? These have been virtually unheard of on modern desktops and laptops for years. If it were possible for Speakup to work with USB serial synthesizers, that would be ideal.
> >
> 
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Re: Hello

[John G Heim]

I have to dispute your assertion that serial ports have been unheard of 
on desktops for years. A basic Dell desktop still comes with a serial 
port. In fact, personally, I have never seen a desktop without a serial 
port.  I work for the University Of Wisconsin and of the hundreds of PC 
desktops I've worked on, every single one has had a serial port. At home 
I build my own computers so when I order a motherboard, I just make sure 
it has a serial port header block.

I'll grant that very few laptops have serial ports these days. But, to 
be quite honest, I don't think that's particularly relevant. I don't 
even think it's particularly relevant that many desktops don't have 
serial ports.  I doubt that very many people would use speakup on a 
laptop even if it worked via a usb port.  I doubt that very many people 
use speakup on their desktop on a daily basis. Don't get me wrong, 
speakup is sill a key part of the accessibility infrastructure but it is 
mostly valuable for servers and for rescue systems.

I know the opinions I've stated above are going to be controversial on 
this list. But I assert that the number of orca users vastly outnumbers 
the speakup users. And even orca users are probably a very tiny group. 
But, again, I am not saying speakup isn't important. My opinion is that 
it's extremely important because there are people who put bread on the 
table via speakup. Some of us literally couldn't do our jobs without 
speakup.

In fact, this is an important consideration for the developers of 
devuan. We aren't talking about some bug in a Windows screen reader that 
makes it hard for someone to play sudoku on-line.  Admittedly there are 
other rescue systems around. But if devuan is to become a player, a 
distro that everybody is familiar with,  it's extremely important that 
it be accessible. This is not an exaggeration -- the ability of someone 
to feed their family might depend on it.

I don't know how a developer weighs those considerations. What's more 
important, a bug that keeps a thousand people from playing sudoku or one 
that keeps ten people from rescuing a web server that is down? I know 
where I'd come down though.

PS: I don't care how sudoku is spelled.

On 06/07/2016 05:30 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t these only work if you have hardware serial ports on the motherboard? These have been virtually unheard of on modern desktops and laptops for years. If it were possible for Speakup to work with USB serial synthesizers, that would be ideal.
>
> Sorry for the thread hijack,
> Zack.
>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Gregory Nowak <greg@gregn.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 03:41:11PM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
>>> Once I was able to log in as root, I was able to get speakup
>>> working with software speech. No luck with my Tripletalk hardware
>>> synth though.  We had a thread about serial port hardware synths
>>> just a few months ago. IIRC, you had to put something in grub. I
>>> never got that to work and it doesn't apply here anyway. But I see
>>> there is a /dev/ttyS0 and I believe the most recent speakup patches
>>> require you to keep the kernel from creating a /dev/ttyS0 before
>>> they can load a speakup hardware synt driver module.
>> I don't have a tripletalk here, so can't comment. However, I can tell
>> you that I've tried using the devuan minimal i386 iso with a bns 640
>> via the speakup_bns module, and that works just fine. All I
>> needed to do is modprobe speakup_bns, and it came right up talking
>> through the bns. So, I know the bns driver at least
>> works right out of the box.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
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Re: Hello

[KatolaZ]

On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 08:45:59AM -0500, John G Heim wrote:

[cut]

> 
> In fact, this is an important consideration for the developers of devuan. We
> aren't talking about some bug in a Windows screen reader that makes it hard
> for someone to play sudoku on-line.  Admittedly there are other rescue
> systems around. But if devuan is to become a player, a distro that everybody
> is familiar with,  it's extremely important that it be accessible. This is
> not an exaggeration -- the ability of someone to feed their family might
> depend on it.

Hi John,

Thank you for your kind email and sorry for the aggressive quoting on
my side. I appreciate your take on Orca vs speakup, but we should
probably recall that what I am developing is a console-only minimal
live Devuan system, not a full-featured desktop system. That's why
speakup looked like the most reasonable solution.

As I said, I don't have that much experience with accessibility. I am
not visually impaired (sorry for that!), I have never used a hw speech
synthetizer, and I have barely seen a braille terminal a couple of
times in my entire life, so I genuinely don't know what are the issues
there. I am here because I think that people on this list can help, as
have already done so far, to put in place some good support for
accessibility.

My intention was not to cause flames or religious wars here, but
rather to get feedback on this little project, in the hope that it can
be also useful to visually impaired users. I am sorry if something
does not work out-of-the-box, and I am ready to work to fix it, but I
do need your feedback to be able to do that. A honest feedback, and
maybe pointers to resources I can use to fill the gaps. That's all I
am talking about.

> 
> I don't know how a developer weighs those considerations. What's more
> important, a bug that keeps a thousand people from playing sudoku or one
> that keeps ten people from rescuing a web server that is down? I know where
> I'd come down though.
> 

I perfectly understand your point, and this is exactly why I thought
that adding support for visually impaired users in a minimal devuan
live was a good idea. Not just to play sudoku, but to perform standard
admin tasks as well.

For I don't know exactly which reason, I am trying to help, but
without your comments and suggestions I can't get that far on this
path. 

HND

KatolaZ

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Re: Hello

[John G Heim]

Right but my point was  that what you are doing is exactly right. By no 
means am I suggesting you try to get orca to work, I'd be against it if 
you wanted to do that.

I guess another way to make my point would be to say I'm really glad you 
are on this list. I find your commitment to accessibility refreshing. 
Good work. And thanks.



On 06/08/2016 09:11 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 08:45:59AM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>> In fact, this is an important consideration for the developers of devuan. We
>> aren't talking about some bug in a Windows screen reader that makes it hard
>> for someone to play sudoku on-line.  Admittedly there are other rescue
>> systems around. But if devuan is to become a player, a distro that everybody
>> is familiar with,  it's extremely important that it be accessible. This is
>> not an exaggeration -- the ability of someone to feed their family might
>> depend on it.
> Hi John,
>
> Thank you for your kind email and sorry for the aggressive quoting on
> my side. I appreciate your take on Orca vs speakup, but we should
> probably recall that what I am developing is a console-only minimal
> live Devuan system, not a full-featured desktop system. That's why
> speakup looked like the most reasonable solution.
>
> As I said, I don't have that much experience with accessibility. I am
> not visually impaired (sorry for that!), I have never used a hw speech
> synthetizer, and I have barely seen a braille terminal a couple of
> times in my entire life, so I genuinely don't know what are the issues
> there. I am here because I think that people on this list can help, as
> have already done so far, to put in place some good support for
> accessibility.
>
> My intention was not to cause flames or religious wars here, but
> rather to get feedback on this little project, in the hope that it can
> be also useful to visually impaired users. I am sorry if something
> does not work out-of-the-box, and I am ready to work to fix it, but I
> do need your feedback to be able to do that. A honest feedback, and
> maybe pointers to resources I can use to fill the gaps. That's all I
> am talking about.
>
>> I don't know how a developer weighs those considerations. What's more
>> important, a bug that keeps a thousand people from playing sudoku or one
>> that keeps ten people from rescuing a web server that is down? I know where
>> I'd come down though.
>>
> I perfectly understand your point, and this is exactly why I thought
> that adding support for visually impaired users in a minimal devuan
> live was a good idea. Not just to play sudoku, but to perform standard
> admin tasks as well.
>
> For I don't know exactly which reason, I am trying to help, but
> without your comments and suggestions I can't get that far on this
> path.
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ
>

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Re: Hello

[Rob]

John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
> I guess another way to make my point would be to say I'm really glad you are on this list. I find your commitment to accessibility refreshing.

I echo that sentiment. Usually we're an afterthought. Sad, but true.

Re: Hello

[KatolaZ]

On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 10:13:45AM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
> Right but my point was  that what you are doing is exactly right. By no
> means am I suggesting you try to get orca to work, I'd be against it if you
> wanted to do that.
> 
> I guess another way to make my point would be to say I'm really glad you are
> on this list. I find your commitment to accessibility refreshing. Good work.
> And thanks.
> 

Sorry. I got confused :)

Thanks

KatolaZ

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Re: Hello

[covici]

That is correct, I  have not seen a motherboard without a serial port,
but often the cable/bracket is not there to put it on the backplane.

I use speakup every day and its invaluable to me.  Linux is a part of my
infrastructure.

John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:

> I have to dispute your assertion that serial ports have been unheard
> of on desktops for years. A basic Dell desktop still comes with a
> serial port. In fact, personally, I have never seen a desktop without
> a serial port.  I work for the University Of Wisconsin and of the
> hundreds of PC desktops I've worked on, every single one has had a
> serial port. At home I build my own computers so when I order a
> motherboard, I just make sure it has a serial port header block.
> 
> I'll grant that very few laptops have serial ports these days. But, to
> be quite honest, I don't think that's particularly relevant. I don't
> even think it's particularly relevant that many desktops don't have
> serial ports.  I doubt that very many people would use speakup on a
> laptop even if it worked via a usb port.  I doubt that very many
> people use speakup on their desktop on a daily basis. Don't get me
> wrong, speakup is sill a key part of the accessibility infrastructure
> but it is mostly valuable for servers and for rescue systems.
> 
> I know the opinions I've stated above are going to be controversial on
> this list. But I assert that the number of orca users vastly
> outnumbers the speakup users. And even orca users are probably a very
> tiny group. But, again, I am not saying speakup isn't important. My
> opinion is that it's extremely important because there are people who
> put bread on the table via speakup. Some of us literally couldn't do
> our jobs without speakup.
> 
> In fact, this is an important consideration for the developers of
> devuan. We aren't talking about some bug in a Windows screen reader
> that makes it hard for someone to play sudoku on-line.  Admittedly
> there are other rescue systems around. But if devuan is to become a
> player, a distro that everybody is familiar with,  it's extremely
> important that it be accessible. This is not an exaggeration -- the
> ability of someone to feed their family might depend on it.
> 
> I don't know how a developer weighs those considerations. What's more
> important, a bug that keeps a thousand people from playing sudoku or
> one that keeps ten people from rescuing a web server that is down? I
> know where I'd come down though.
> 
> PS: I don't care how sudoku is spelled.
> 
> On 06/07/2016 05:30 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t these only work if you have hardware serial ports on the motherboard? These have been virtually unheard of on modern desktops and laptops for years. If it were possible for Speakup to work with USB serial synthesizers, that would be ideal.
> >
> > Sorry for the thread hijack,
> > Zack.
> >> On Jun 7, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Gregory Nowak <greg@gregn.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 03:41:11PM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
> >>> Once I was able to log in as root, I was able to get speakup
> >>> working with software speech. No luck with my Tripletalk hardware
> >>> synth though.  We had a thread about serial port hardware synths
> >>> just a few months ago. IIRC, you had to put something in grub. I
> >>> never got that to work and it doesn't apply here anyway. But I see
> >>> there is a /dev/ttyS0 and I believe the most recent speakup patches
> >>> require you to keep the kernel from creating a /dev/ttyS0 before
> >>> they can load a speakup hardware synt driver module.
> >> I don't have a tripletalk here, so can't comment. However, I can tell
> >> you that I've tried using the devuan minimal i386 iso with a bns 640
> >> via the speakup_bns module, and that works just fine. All I
> >> needed to do is modprobe speakup_bns, and it came right up talking
> >> through the bns. So, I know the bns driver at least
> >> works right out of the box.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >>
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Re: Hello

[John G Heim]

Some of the speakup drivers avoid the problematic code segment by not 
using the speakup functions for talking to the serial port.  The code 
that causes the problem is in serialio.c and some of the speakup drivers 
simply don't call  the functions in that module.

On 06/07/2016 05:26 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 03:41:11PM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
>> Once I was able to log in as root, I was able to get speakup
>> working with software speech. No luck with my Tripletalk hardware
>> synth though.  We had a thread about serial port hardware synths
>> just a few months ago. IIRC, you had to put something in grub. I
>> never got that to work and it doesn't apply here anyway. But I see
>> there is a /dev/ttyS0 and I believe the most recent speakup patches
>> require you to keep the kernel from creating a /dev/ttyS0 before
>> they can load a speakup hardware synt driver module.
> I don't have a tripletalk here, so can't comment. However, I can tell
> you that I've tried using the devuan minimal i386 iso with a bns 640
> via the speakup_bns module, and that works just fine. All I
> needed to do is modprobe speakup_bns, and it came right up talking
> through the bns. So, I know the bns driver at least
> works right out of the box.
>
> Greg
>
>

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Re: Hello

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 02:17:12PM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
> I am able to verify that devuan works with my 40-cell braille display from
> Freedom Scientific.
> 
> What is the login id & password? I was able to guess it, I think. I used
> devuan/devuan. But then I couldn't sudo. So then I couldn't test speakup. Is
> there some other login that has sudo rights?

Hi John,

sorry for that. I just replied saying that root password is "toor",
and that the next release will have autologin on all the consoles
(tty1 will be reserved to root). 

> 
> I was also able to validate that sound is working. This is on a Dell 720. I
> rand espeak and it worked.
> 
> One suggestion ... It would be helpful if the syslinux splash screen is
> brighter. If the syslinux splash screen is really bright, a partially
> sighted person can tell when the poot prompt is displayed. A totally blind
> person can use a light probe or a smart phone app.


Great suggestion. I will replace the current isolinux splashscreen
with a brighter one.

Thanks again for your feedback, which in very much appreciated.

HND

KatolaZ

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Hello

[William Rivera]

Hi all, I just joined the list and am a newbie at Linux.  I installed Fedora 7 Moonshine on my old P-3 machine using a Lite Talk (ltlk) synth.  The pc has a 10Gb hard drive with 512Mb RAM.  I can install the minimum Fedora system minus the graphical packages with no problems.  It boots into a console and all seems well.  Problem is that when I re-install the system and select all packages including graphical packages, it only asks for the first 4 cds and then after I follow all steps to prevent it from loading the initial first start graphic mode, it does not speak.  One question is, does the installation ask for all 5 cds?  Also, should I just install minimum and use Yum to update all packages instead?  Is 10gb enough memory for everything and is that why I can not get the system to speak when I install all packages?

Thanks for your help.

Bill
Miami Beach, FL
Billmyster@the-beach.net

Re: Hello

[Albert E. Sten-Clanton]

Greetings!

I'm not sure enough to answer your other questions.  On the CD's, though, the installation never asked me for all five, even when I selected everything for installation.  I didn't want or need what's on the fifth CD, but this does seem strange nonetheless.

Al
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Rivera" <billmyster@the-beach.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:11 PM
Subject: Hello


> Hi all, I just joined the list and am a newbie at Linux.  I installed Fedora 7 Moonshine on my old P-3 machine using a Lite Talk (ltlk) synth.  The pc has a 10Gb hard drive with 512Mb RAM.  I can install the minimum Fedora system minus the graphical packages with no problems.  It boots into a console and all seems well.  Problem is that when I re-install the system and select all packages including graphical packages, it only asks for the first 4 cds and then after I follow all steps to prevent it from loading the initial first start graphic mode, it does not speak.  One question is, does the installation ask for all 5 cds?  Also, should I just install minimum and use Yum to update all packages instead?  Is 10gb enough memory for everything and is that why I can not get the system to speak when I install all packages?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Bill
> Miami Beach, FL
> Billmyster@the-beach.net
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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Re: Hello

[Gaijin]

On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:11:33PM -0500, William Rivera wrote:
> Hi all, I just joined the list and am a newbie at Linux.

	Hi Bill,
	If Fedora is anything like Debian v3, or is like most Linux
distributions, those disks hold nearly 4000 software packages, some of
which don't work well with other packages.  For instance, you typically
cannot run more than one type of mail server at the same time, and there
are over half a dozen of them.  They'll conflict with each other, and may use
nearly 20 gigs of drive space.  10 gigs of drive space is a good size
for  > a minimum installation.  That's about 5 gigs for programs and
operating system, and another 5 gigs for data..  You'll find multiple
text editors, news, web browsers, and mail clients already installed in
a minimum installation, just in the command line interface.  What you're
probably installing is selected "task Packages" that  include the
choicest program selections.  It will not be anywhere near all of  what
is offered in Linux.  I would advise installing a working system first
and slowly build from there.  Linux will be confusing enough as it is
with all the packages a bare minimum installation will have included.
HTH,

        Michael

Re: Hello

[William Rivera]

Hi Michael, Willhem and Al, thanks for your replies.  I am going to take 
your advice Michael and just get a working system up and running and 
progress from that point as I learn more about Linux.  There is certainly 
lots to learn just from a minimum install.

Willem, I was not able to get speech from a console after the full graphical 
install even though I followed the steps outlined in the install howto and 
switched to a console using ctrl+alt+F1.  I think I tried two or three 
consoles with the same results.

Thanks again guys for your suggestions.

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: Hello


> On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:11:33PM -0500, William Rivera wrote:
>> Hi all, I just joined the list and am a newbie at Linux.
>
> Hi Bill,
> If Fedora is anything like Debian v3, or is like most Linux
> distributions, those disks hold nearly 4000 software packages, some of
> which don't work well with other packages.  For instance, you typically
> cannot run more than one type of mail server at the same time, and there
> are over half a dozen of them.  They'll conflict with each other, and may 
> use
> nearly 20 gigs of drive space.  10 gigs of drive space is a good size
> for  > a minimum installation.  That's about 5 gigs for programs and
> operating system, and another 5 gigs for data..  You'll find multiple
> text editors, news, web browsers, and mail clients already installed in
> a minimum installation, just in the command line interface.  What you're
> probably installing is selected "task Packages" that  include the
> choicest program selections.  It will not be anywhere near all of  what
> is offered in Linux.  I would advise installing a working system first
> and slowly build from there.  Linux will be confusing enough as it is
> with all the packages a bare minimum installation will have included.
> HTH,
>
>        Michael
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Hello

[VaShaun Jones]

Hello, I sent a message to this list introducing myself and never got  
a response. I wanted to know what is the best distribution of Linux to  
get that will run good with Fusion and can I download it?
On Nov 8, 2007, at 10:11 PM, William Rivera wrote:

> Hi Michael, Willhem and Al, thanks for your replies.  I am going to  
> take
> your advice Michael and just get a working system up and running and
> progress from that point as I learn more about Linux.  There is  
> certainly
> lots to learn just from a minimum install.
>
> Willem, I was not able to get speech from a console after the full  
> graphical
> install even though I followed the steps outlined in the install  
> howto and
> switched to a console using ctrl+alt+F1.  I think I tried two or three
> consoles with the same results.
>
> Thanks again guys for your suggestions.
>
> Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> >
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Hello
>
>
>> On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:11:33PM -0500, William Rivera wrote:
>>> Hi all, I just joined the list and am a newbie at Linux.
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>> If Fedora is anything like Debian v3, or is like most Linux
>> distributions, those disks hold nearly 4000 software packages, some  
>> of
>> which don't work well with other packages.  For instance, you  
>> typically
>> cannot run more than one type of mail server at the same time, and  
>> there
>> are over half a dozen of them.  They'll conflict with each other,  
>> and may
>> use
>> nearly 20 gigs of drive space.  10 gigs of drive space is a good size
>> for  > a minimum installation.  That's about 5 gigs for programs and
>> operating system, and another 5 gigs for data..  You'll find multiple
>> text editors, news, web browsers, and mail clients already  
>> installed in
>> a minimum installation, just in the command line interface.  What  
>> you're
>> probably installing is selected "task Packages" that  include the
>> choicest program selections.  It will not be anywhere near all of   
>> what
>> is offered in Linux.  I would advise installing a working system  
>> first
>> and slowly build from there.  Linux will be confusing enough as it is
>> with all the packages a bare minimum installation will have included.
>> HTH,
>>
>>       Michael
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Hello

[Frank Carmickle]

On Thu, Nov 08, VaShaun Jones wrote:
> Hello, I sent a message to this list introducing myself and never got  
> a response. I wanted to know what is the best distribution of Linux to  
> get that will run good with Fusion and can I download it?

Well you came on list and asked probably the most vague and controversial question possible.  Sort of analogous to asking what is the meaning of life.  We each have the distro we love and we love to hate.  I hate fedora and love debian.  I could give or take ubuntu for the most part.  Slackware is interesting but I won't use it.  Same goes for gentoo.  I have used all of these for some ammount of time in the past.  I started with slackware.  I then switched to debian even though I have been using fedora on a server for about 1.5 years.  I tried gentoo for a few weeks once back in 2004.  I used ubuntu on a desktop machine from about March until two weeks ago when that machine got converted back to a debian machine.  

You asked about fusion and I don't even know what that is.  Are you looking to use speakup on the console?  With a software synth?  Do you want to use orca?  What exactly do you want to do?

--FC

Re: Hello

[Gaijin]

On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 10:17:53PM -0500, VaShaun Jones wrote:
> Hello, I sent a message to this list introducing myself and never got  
> a response. I wanted to know what is the best distribution of Linux to  
> get that will run good with Fusion and can I download it?

	Hello VaShaun,

	I'd have replied, but I don't know what Fusion is, and as for
which distro, I use Slackware v11, as it suppports my hardware speech
synthesizer .  Ubuntoo should be a good choice.  It's a matter of what
you want or need, as well as taste.  I chose Slackware because I've
heard that it's one of the more secure distros and doesn't use RPM or
dpkg package managers.  I plan on porting to LFS (Linux From Scratch) in
the near future, which is about as hard as Linux gets.  Maybe I'm a
masochist, but I despise Slackware's BSD style initialization scripts.
very disorganized, but what can you expect to come out of Berkeley these
days.  Fedora and Ubuntoo both support software speech synthesis and
should do you well.  The Linux kernel is in the middle of a transition
at the moment as everything seems to be moving to USB devices, and
SpeakUp isn't quite up there yet.  Only serial speech synthesizers are
currently supported.  Until the dust clears, or unless you have a serial
synthesizer, I recomment Ubuntoo and Fedora.  Just stick the CD in the
drive and read the installation docs on the disk.  You'll have to look
for the many download sites to get a copy, or just buy the CDs from
places like CheapBytes.  If you're anything like the rest of us, you'll
go through many flavors of Linux before settling on a distro you love.
Take care,

        Michael

Re: Hello

[VaShaun Jones]

I take it that you are saying it can be downloaded? Do you know where  
by chance?
On Nov 9, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Gaijin wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 10:17:53PM -0500, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>> Hello, I sent a message to this list introducing myself and never got
>> a response. I wanted to know what is the best distribution of Linux  
>> to
>> get that will run good with Fusion and can I download it?
>
> 	Hello VaShaun,
>
> 	I'd have replied, but I don't know what Fusion is, and as for
> which distro, I use Slackware v11, as it suppports my hardware speech
> synthesizer .  Ubuntoo should be a good choice.  It's a matter of what
> you want or need, as well as taste.  I chose Slackware because I've
> heard that it's one of the more secure distros and doesn't use RPM or
> dpkg package managers.  I plan on porting to LFS (Linux From  
> Scratch) in
> the near future, which is about as hard as Linux gets.  Maybe I'm a
> masochist, but I despise Slackware's BSD style initialization scripts.
> very disorganized, but what can you expect to come out of Berkeley  
> these
> days.  Fedora and Ubuntoo both support software speech synthesis and
> should do you well.  The Linux kernel is in the middle of a transition
> at the moment as everything seems to be moving to USB devices, and
> SpeakUp isn't quite up there yet.  Only serial speech synthesizers are
> currently supported.  Until the dust clears, or unless you have a  
> serial
> synthesizer, I recomment Ubuntoo and Fedora.  Just stick the CD in the
> drive and read the installation docs on the disk.  You'll have to look
> for the many download sites to get a copy, or just buy the CDs from
> places like CheapBytes.  If you're anything like the rest of us,  
> you'll
> go through many flavors of Linux before settling on a distro you love.
> Take care,
>
>        Michael
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Hello

[Mike Reiser]

If you mean ubuntu it can be gotten from www.ubuntu.com.  I assume they all 
would work well with fusion, however ubuntu is probably the easyest to set 
up from what I've read.  Unless someone tells me otherwise I think fedora 
has to be installed with a hardware synth.

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "VaShaun Jones" <vjones@mjb-llc.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Hello


>I take it that you are saying it can be downloaded? Do you know where
> by chance?
> On Nov 9, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Gaijin wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 10:17:53PM -0500, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>> Hello, I sent a message to this list introducing myself and never got
>>> a response. I wanted to know what is the best distribution of Linux
>>> to
>>> get that will run good with Fusion and can I download it?
>>
>> Hello VaShaun,
>>
>> I'd have replied, but I don't know what Fusion is, and as for
>> which distro, I use Slackware v11, as it suppports my hardware speech
>> synthesizer .  Ubuntoo should be a good choice.  It's a matter of what
>> you want or need, as well as taste.  I chose Slackware because I've
>> heard that it's one of the more secure distros and doesn't use RPM or
>> dpkg package managers.  I plan on porting to LFS (Linux From
>> Scratch) in
>> the near future, which is about as hard as Linux gets.  Maybe I'm a
>> masochist, but I despise Slackware's BSD style initialization scripts.
>> very disorganized, but what can you expect to come out of Berkeley
>> these
>> days.  Fedora and Ubuntoo both support software speech synthesis and
>> should do you well.  The Linux kernel is in the middle of a transition
>> at the moment as everything seems to be moving to USB devices, and
>> SpeakUp isn't quite up there yet.  Only serial speech synthesizers are
>> currently supported.  Until the dust clears, or unless you have a
>> serial
>> synthesizer, I recomment Ubuntoo and Fedora.  Just stick the CD in the
>> drive and read the installation docs on the disk.  You'll have to look
>> for the many download sites to get a copy, or just buy the CDs from
>> places like CheapBytes.  If you're anything like the rest of us,
>> you'll
>> go through many flavors of Linux before settling on a distro you love.
>> Take care,
>>
>>        Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: Hello

[VaShaun Jones]

Thanks a bunch. Now is the screen reader already installed or do I go  
somewhere else for that? One other thing is this going to be a  
graphical environment or command line?
On Nov 9, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:

> If you mean ubuntu it can be gotten from www.ubuntu.com.  I assume  
> they all
> would work well with fusion, however ubuntu is probably the easyest  
> to set
> up from what I've read.  Unless someone tells me otherwise I think  
> fedora
> has to be installed with a hardware synth.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "VaShaun Jones" <vjones@mjb-llc.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> >
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Hello
>
>
>> I take it that you are saying it can be downloaded? Do you know where
>> by chance?
>> On Nov 9, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Gaijin wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 10:17:53PM -0500, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>>> Hello, I sent a message to this list introducing myself and never  
>>>> got
>>>> a response. I wanted to know what is the best distribution of Linux
>>>> to
>>>> get that will run good with Fusion and can I download it?
>>>
>>> Hello VaShaun,
>>>
>>> I'd have replied, but I don't know what Fusion is, and as for
>>> which distro, I use Slackware v11, as it suppports my hardware  
>>> speech
>>> synthesizer .  Ubuntoo should be a good choice.  It's a matter of  
>>> what
>>> you want or need, as well as taste.  I chose Slackware because I've
>>> heard that it's one of the more secure distros and doesn't use RPM  
>>> or
>>> dpkg package managers.  I plan on porting to LFS (Linux From
>>> Scratch) in
>>> the near future, which is about as hard as Linux gets.  Maybe I'm a
>>> masochist, but I despise Slackware's BSD style initialization  
>>> scripts.
>>> very disorganized, but what can you expect to come out of Berkeley
>>> these
>>> days.  Fedora and Ubuntoo both support software speech synthesis and
>>> should do you well.  The Linux kernel is in the middle of a  
>>> transition
>>> at the moment as everything seems to be moving to USB devices, and
>>> SpeakUp isn't quite up there yet.  Only serial speech synthesizers  
>>> are
>>> currently supported.  Until the dust clears, or unless you have a
>>> serial
>>> synthesizer, I recomment Ubuntoo and Fedora.  Just stick the CD in  
>>> the
>>> drive and read the installation docs on the disk.  You'll have to  
>>> look
>>> for the many download sites to get a copy, or just buy the CDs from
>>> places like CheapBytes.  If you're anything like the rest of us,
>>> you'll
>>> go through many flavors of Linux before settling on a distro you  
>>> love.
>>> Take care,
>>>
>>>       Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Hello

[John Heim]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "VaShaun Jones" <vjones@mjb-llc.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: Hello


> Thanks a bunch. Now is the screen reader already installed or do I go  
> somewhere else for that? One other thing is this going to be a  
> graphical environment or command line?

You should consider asking the google some of these questions.

Re: Hello

[VaShaun Jones]

IS THERE SOMEONE OUT THERE THAT HAS A MINUTE AND CAN HELP ME FIGURE  
SOME THINGS OUT? I AM NEW TO LINUX AND DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT  
ANYTHING AND WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO EITHER CALL OR SKYPE ME PLEASE.
On Nov 9, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:

> If you mean ubuntu it can be gotten from www.ubuntu.com.  I assume  
> they all
> would work well with fusion, however ubuntu is probably the easyest  
> to set
> up from what I've read.  Unless someone tells me otherwise I think  
> fedora
> has to be installed with a hardware synth.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "VaShaun Jones" <vjones@mjb-llc.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> >
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Hello
>
>
>> I take it that you are saying it can be downloaded? Do you know where
>> by chance?
>> On Nov 9, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Gaijin wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 10:17:53PM -0500, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>>> Hello, I sent a message to this list introducing myself and never  
>>>> got
>>>> a response. I wanted to know what is the best distribution of Linux
>>>> to
>>>> get that will run good with Fusion and can I download it?
>>>
>>> Hello VaShaun,
>>>
>>> I'd have replied, but I don't know what Fusion is, and as for
>>> which distro, I use Slackware v11, as it suppports my hardware  
>>> speech
>>> synthesizer .  Ubuntoo should be a good choice.  It's a matter of  
>>> what
>>> you want or need, as well as taste.  I chose Slackware because I've
>>> heard that it's one of the more secure distros and doesn't use RPM  
>>> or
>>> dpkg package managers.  I plan on porting to LFS (Linux From
>>> Scratch) in
>>> the near future, which is about as hard as Linux gets.  Maybe I'm a
>>> masochist, but I despise Slackware's BSD style initialization  
>>> scripts.
>>> very disorganized, but what can you expect to come out of Berkeley
>>> these
>>> days.  Fedora and Ubuntoo both support software speech synthesis and
>>> should do you well.  The Linux kernel is in the middle of a  
>>> transition
>>> at the moment as everything seems to be moving to USB devices, and
>>> SpeakUp isn't quite up there yet.  Only serial speech synthesizers  
>>> are
>>> currently supported.  Until the dust clears, or unless you have a
>>> serial
>>> synthesizer, I recomment Ubuntoo and Fedora.  Just stick the CD in  
>>> the
>>> drive and read the installation docs on the disk.  You'll have to  
>>> look
>>> for the many download sites to get a copy, or just buy the CDs from
>>> places like CheapBytes.  If you're anything like the rest of us,
>>> you'll
>>> go through many flavors of Linux before settling on a distro you  
>>> love.
>>> Take care,
>>>
>>>       Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Hello

[VaShaun Jones]

I downloaded the Ubuntoo distribution, but I think it was asking me to  
choose my hardware configuration. I chose the one for Intel based  
machines but since I will be running it in a virtual environment do I  
need a different distro? Also do I need to put the ISO file on a CD  
before using it?
On Nov 9, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Gaijin wrote:

> Ubuntoo

Re: Hello

[Mike Reiser]

The distro you have is fine.  I don't think you need to have it on cd as I'm 
sure you can run it with the iso like I can on windows.

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "VaShaun Jones" <vjones@mjb-llc.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Hello


>I downloaded the Ubuntoo distribution, but I think it was asking me to
> choose my hardware configuration. I chose the one for Intel based
> machines but since I will be running it in a virtual environment do I
> need a different distro? Also do I need to put the ISO file on a CD
> before using it?
> On Nov 9, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Gaijin wrote:
>
>> Ubuntoo
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: Hello

[VaShaun Jones]

Mike do you or anyone else on the list use Linux in a virtual  
environment using Parallels or Fusion by chance?
On Nov 10, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:

> The distro you have is fine.  I don't think you need to have it on  
> cd as I'm
> sure you can run it with the iso like I can on windows.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "VaShaun Jones" <vjones@mjb-llc.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> >
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Hello
>
>
>> I downloaded the Ubuntoo distribution, but I think it was asking me  
>> to
>> choose my hardware configuration. I chose the one for Intel based
>> machines but since I will be running it in a virtual environment do I
>> need a different distro? Also do I need to put the ISO file on a CD
>> before using it?
>> On Nov 9, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Gaijin wrote:
>>
>>> Ubuntoo
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Hello

[Alex Snow]

I'm running a couple distros under virtualbox on a windows 
system...works pretty well.
On 
Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 07:05:58PM -0500, VaShaun Jones wrote:
> Mike do you or anyone else on the list use Linux in a virtual  
> environment using Parallels or Fusion by chance?
> On Nov 10, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
> 
> > The distro you have is fine.  I don't think you need to have it on  
> > cd as I'm
> > sure you can run it with the iso like I can on windows.
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "VaShaun Jones" <vjones@mjb-llc.com>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> > >
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Hello
> >
> >
> >> I downloaded the Ubuntoo distribution, but I think it was asking me  
> >> to
> >> choose my hardware configuration. I chose the one for Intel based
> >> machines but since I will be running it in a virtual environment do I
> >> need a different distro? Also do I need to put the ISO file on a CD
> >> before using it?
> >> On Nov 9, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Gaijin wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ubuntoo
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
Audience: What will become of Linux when the Hurd is ready?
Eric Youngdale: Err... is Richard Stallman here?
	-- From the Linux conference in spring '95, Berlin

Re: Hello

[VaShaun Jones]

Yeah I am on a Mac and confused as heck, so all I have is the download  
and hope for a understanding.
On Nov 11, 2007, at 5:58 PM, Alex Snow wrote:

> I'm running a couple distros under virtualbox on a windows
> system...works pretty well.
> On
> Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 07:05:58PM -0500, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>> Mike do you or anyone else on the list use Linux in a virtual
>> environment using Parallels or Fusion by chance?
>> On Nov 10, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
>>
>>> The distro you have is fine.  I don't think you need to have it on
>>> cd as I'm
>>> sure you can run it with the iso like I can on windows.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "VaShaun Jones" <vjones@mjb-llc.com>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Hello
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the Ubuntoo distribution, but I think it was asking me
>>>> to
>>>> choose my hardware configuration. I chose the one for Intel based
>>>> machines but since I will be running it in a virtual environment  
>>>> do I
>>>> need a different distro? Also do I need to put the ISO file on a CD
>>>> before using it?
>>>> On Nov 9, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Gaijin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntoo
>>>>
>>>>
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Hello

[Parham]

Hello,
I had a few questions that I have asked mister John Covici, but then I just saw that they have said to join the mailing list instead of asking the questions from them directly.
Well there were a few questions I needed to ask:
First is it possible to instal GRML and not use the live CD?
If yes, how?
Second, I think I can switch to alt+ctrl+f7 as it is said in the manuals, but it does not work.
ANd third, the voice that is currently in the kernel (the software synth) is good but hard to understand,
Is there somewhere I can get another free synthisizer for Linux?
Fourth, is it possible to instal a Linux OS on a computer that has had Windows XP SP2 on it previously without losing the data?
Thanks and sorry for bombarding you with questions.
Take care,
Parham Doustdar

re: hello

[Jude DaShiell]

For Dos another package that isn't free is tinytalk I think $75.00 and if 
you have an sb16 card on the computer not a clone and you can get the 
ttblast piece, tinytalk can run on that sb16.  Only limitation it has I 
don't like is it can't work with anything above com2 if you use a hardware 
synthesizer and as of now development has stopped sometime ago.

Re: hello

[tony seth]

Also, if you're going to use dos let's not forget about asap... from 
Microtalk... it's not free unless you know someone who's got a copy, 
but it's pretty fine for dos... and it's use of the numpad is probably 
what inspired speakup... though not nearly as powerful as speakup...
Cheereo!

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re: hello

[Jude DaShiell]

flash and pdf both now are owned by adobe.  If I'm not much mistaken 
Section 508 compliance requires that java may not be used in any 
user-visible fashion on web sites but may be used for house-cleaning 
chores behind the scenes.  As I understand it, java is just too immature 
to be on the Internet at all.  From a security perspective it offers way 
too many opportunities to the kind of people that otherwise trash 
perfectly reasonable neighborhoods and java can't adequately defend 
itself.

Re: hello

[Doug Sutherland]

Java and Javascript are two different animals, I personally 
think that Java is a great tool for generating content, as in 
running servlets that generate TEXT, not the flawed applet
idea with its crazy security implications. Javascript is not 
the same, and I wish it would just not exist. It is used for
all the wrong reasons. The only reason it does exist is 
because Sun allowed Netscape to create a scripting 
language based on Java, but is not Java, in order to help
proliferate Java on the web. It was bad decision for Sun.

Java is very useful as a technology, for networking code 
on embedded devices, and for server code. I have 
written powerful server based apps that when you view 
the pages they are text, but the text is generated by Java,
this is very powerful, but completely different than the 
Javascript fiasco. There is no need for Javascipt, Java,
DHTML, or any other "dynamic" content languages on 
web pages. There are too many risks involved and too
many restrictions on how the information can be used.
I'd like to see new standards evolve out of W3C.
 
  -- Doug

Re: hello

[Alex Snow]

This isn't the fault of Java though, it's the fault of the client-side 
implementations.  The implementations should leave room for security 
control.
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:39:22PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> flash and pdf both now are owned by adobe.  If I'm not much mistaken 
> Section 508 compliance requires that java may not be used in any 
> user-visible fashion on web sites but may be used for house-cleaning 
> chores behind the scenes.  As I understand it, java is just too immature 
> to be on the Internet at all.  From a security perspective it offers way 
> too many opportunities to the kind of people that otherwise trash 
> perfectly reasonable neighborhoods and java can't adequately defend 
> itself.
> 
> 
> 
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re: hello

[Jude DaShiell]

Once you've paid for the doubletalk lt, you have at least two choices for 
screen readers that will run in dos.  One of them provox was written by a 
speakup list member and is free for download.  Then there's jaws for dos 
also free for download since it like provox are no longer supported. 
Provox though isopen source though.  Jaws for dos has to be searched out 
on the ftp links.  One more thing, if you have at least win2k you don't 
need win-eyes trial anything for speech.  Thunder screen reader is 
available free for download for personal home users and nvda which 
recently had an update is also available free for download and it's open 
source.  nvda is written in python and may get improved to where it can 
work with openoffice if the interest is there among the developers.

RE: hello

[Jim Grimsby Jr.]

Hi you can also use a free copy of slimware that is included in the window
bridge 2000 package www.windowbridge.ws 
It supports many hardware devices and Braille displays under dos. 
As I said it is included in the window bridge 2000 package.
Hth 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 2:57 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: re: hello


Once you've paid for the doubletalk lt, you have at least two choices for 
screen readers that will run in dos.  One of them provox was written by a 
speakup list member and is free for download.  Then there's jaws for dos 
also free for download since it like provox are no longer supported. 
Provox though isopen source though.  Jaws for dos has to be searched out 
on the ftp links.  One more thing, if you have at least win2k you don't 
need win-eyes trial anything for speech.  Thunder screen reader is 
available free for download for personal home users and nvda which 
recently had an update is also available free for download and it's open 
source.  nvda is written in python and may get improved to where it can 
work with openoffice if the interest is there among the developers.



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Re: hello

[Glenn Ervin]

Will this support software speech in DOS?
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@pacbell.net>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 5:16 AM
Subject: RE: hello


Hi you can also use a free copy of slimware that is included in the window
bridge 2000 package www.windowbridge.ws
It supports many hardware devices and Braille displays under dos.
As I said it is included in the window bridge 2000 package.
Hth

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 2:57 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: re: hello


Once you've paid for the doubletalk lt, you have at least two choices for
screen readers that will run in dos.  One of them provox was written by a
speakup list member and is free for download.  Then there's jaws for dos
also free for download since it like provox are no longer supported.
Provox though isopen source though.  Jaws for dos has to be searched out
on the ftp links.  One more thing, if you have at least win2k you don't
need win-eyes trial anything for speech.  Thunder screen reader is
available free for download for personal home users and nvda which
recently had an update is also available free for download and it's open
source.  nvda is written in python and may get improved to where it can
work with openoffice if the interest is there among the developers.



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RE: hello

[Sina Bahram]

Why?

Javascript, pdf, and flash all have purely accessible ways of being
accessed. PDF's especially have come a long way, flash is quickly catching
up, and javascript only causes problems during certain events where keyboard
focus is stolen away, which a lot of new frameworks have been modified not
to do. Mainly, I'm thinking of ajax and web 2.0 interfaces.

I actually think such technologies should be increased, or whatever is to
replace them. Halting progress just because certain individuals which to
keep using a console doesn't seem very practicle.

For certain activities, such as filling out forms and things of that nature:
an html equivalent to a PDF form is sometimes preferable for multiple
reasons, not just accessibility, but in the general scheme of things; it's
only getting better.

Take care,
Sina 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 5:57 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: re: hello

Once you've paid for the doubletalk lt, you have at least two choices for
screen readers that will run in dos.  One of them provox was written by a
speakup list member and is free for download.  Then there's jaws for dos
also free for download since it like provox are no longer supported. 
Provox though isopen source though.  Jaws for dos has to be searched out on
the ftp links.  One more thing, if you have at least win2k you don't need
win-eyes trial anything for speech.  Thunder screen reader is available free
for download for personal home users and nvda which recently had an update
is also available free for download and it's open source.  nvda is written
in python and may get improved to where it can work with openoffice if the
interest is there among the developers.



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http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: hello

[Gaijin]

na Bahram wrote:
> Halting progress just because certain individuals which to keep
 > using a console doesn't seem very practicle.

     I'm not just a console user.  Nor do I mind my display being 
fiddled with to any degree, as long as it's no more than my display. 
Ever take a look at Google Analytics?  It's incredible just how much 
data they can get out of a web page.  The only problem is all that data 
can !only! be used to exploit their customers by prying open their 
wallets and getting at whatever's inside.  I can do without all the 
grifting.  HTML alone should be enough to get our money.  They certainly 
don't need to take control of my computer to spam the bejesus out of me. 
  I know what I'm looking for to buy.   I don't like having things 
shoved in my face.  It's rude and just plain wrong, and if they want to 
do business that way, I'd rather be on the side of caution and shop 
anywhere else.

         Michael

re: hello

[Jude DaShiell]

Yes, the doubletalk lt does have a command language.  When you get the 
synthesizer the language manual is in manual.txt on your software disk.

Hello...

[Gaijin]

     Hello all,

     Just joined the list and thought I's say "hello" to everyone. 
Really nice to find a place like this.  I'm a rabid Linux fanatic who 
went blind from diabetic retinopathy in August of '02, and I've been 
pretty much offline ever since.  Finally broke down and upgraded my 
system to support WinXP and quickly heard about SpeakUp for Linux.  I'm 
in the process of looking for a supported speech synth for SpeakUp, so 
I'm still stuck in Windows on a 30 minute Win-Eyes time limit.  I hope 
to soon get Slackware up and running, and soon be able to contribute to 
the SpeakUp effort right along-side everyone.  I'm presently playing 
around with a copy of Oralux and learning the features.  Just need that 
speech synthesizer, and I should be off and running.  Thank you for all 
your efforts.  It is well appreciated.

     Best regards,
         Michael "Foreign White Devil" Ferranti

Re: Hello...

[Cody Hurst]

Hello Mike,

  To get ou up to speed, there is a graphical desktop called Gnome, whihc 
supports a screen reader called Orca. If you download the live CD of Ubuntu 
7.04, you can use the screen reader right fromthe live CD. I wish I had time 
to explain it all, but visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca and read all about i 
there. I would say orca is comparable to jaws or window eyes the team who 
developes is in my opinion is the bes in the industry of open source 
sofware.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:54 AM
Subject: Hello...


>     Hello all,
>
>     Just joined the list and thought I's say "hello" to everyone.
> Really nice to find a place like this.  I'm a rabid Linux fanatic who
> went blind from diabetic retinopathy in August of '02, and I've been
> pretty much offline ever since.  Finally broke down and upgraded my
> system to support WinXP and quickly heard about SpeakUp for Linux.  I'm
> in the process of looking for a supported speech synth for SpeakUp, so
> I'm still stuck in Windows on a 30 minute Win-Eyes time limit.  I hope
> to soon get Slackware up and running, and soon be able to contribute to
> the SpeakUp effort right along-side everyone.  I'm presently playing
> around with a copy of Oralux and learning the features.  Just need that
> speech synthesizer, and I should be off and running.  Thank you for all
> your efforts.  It is well appreciated.
>
>     Best regards,
>         Michael "Foreign White Devil" Ferranti
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Cody Hurst wrote:
> 
>   To get ou up to speed, there is a graphical desktop called Gnome, 

     Thank you for the info.  I've been planning from long ago on
porting over from Debian to Slackware.  Makes it kind of convenient that
they now support the SpeakUp kernal.  I have a fresh copy of Debian
installed, courtesy of a friend's help, and I've poking around in it
using Oralux.  I think I have almost everything but Festival installed.
  I managed to get emacspeak to say "ls" once, so I know there's
something working, sans a hardware speech synth.  I'd rather just get a
supported hardware synth and insall Slackware.  I'm not too sure about
using a GUI anymore.  I like Midnight Commander, tin, and lynx for
pretty much everything.  bitchx, too.  Never got to use pine.  (All
that's from reading the SpeakUp docs on working with SpeakUp and
emacspeak to use Midnight Commander and pine...whatever pine
is...probably an email client.(  For email, I'd probably just make due
with the Linux mail commend.  I have a passion for scripting and
aliases, as I can get things done a whole lot faster just typing "ggl"
than booting up mozilla and navagating all the menus to reach
Google...that and I can script the output to filter out all the links I
don't need to "see."  Back in '02, all I used X for was X-Chat andForte
Agent under Wine.
Anyway, the command line interface is fine for me, as long as there a
couple full-screen utilities and clients to possibly make things easier.
  SpeakUp seems to fit the bill perfectly.  Trying to get Debian running
again from Oralux and Windows has been a real education, to say the
least. <laughs>
     I'll certainly get around to the X environment, once I can get a
usable command line.  I'm planning on having as many fall-back positions
as is possible, as I'm stuck out here in the boonies with little or no
help at all, unless I offer money to someone to come 40 miles.
Relocating to the closest major city has also been an exercise in
futility. <grins>
     Maybe I haven't found the info yet, but is there a way to use the
new USB synthesizers they're coming out with now?  As far as I've
managed to see in the SpeakUp docs, only serial port models and internal
models are supported  I'm hoping there's something simple, like
appending something to the lilo boot prompt to have it communicate with 
a USB port. <shrugs>  I dunno yet.  Lots more to read up on.

     Thank you again for all the help,

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Littlefield, Tyler]

I'd suggest learning with a command line.
You can also get speechd-up, and other programs to give you software speech,
rather than using gnome.
It's accessibility is still being worked on, while the linux command line
has been used for a long time.

Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
[My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
msn:
compgeek13@gmail.com
aim: st8amnd2005
skype: st8amnd127
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web: tysdomain.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35@verizon.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Hello...


> Hello Mike,
>
>   To get ou up to speed, there is a graphical desktop called Gnome, whihc
> supports a screen reader called Orca. If you download the live CD of
Ubuntu
> 7.04, you can use the screen reader right fromthe live CD. I wish I had
time
> to explain it all, but visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca and read all about
i
> there. I would say orca is comparable to jaws or window eyes the team who
> developes is in my opinion is the bes in the industry of open source
> sofware.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:54 AM
> Subject: Hello...
>
>
> >     Hello all,
> >
> >     Just joined the list and thought I's say "hello" to everyone.
> > Really nice to find a place like this.  I'm a rabid Linux fanatic who
> > went blind from diabetic retinopathy in August of '02, and I've been
> > pretty much offline ever since.  Finally broke down and upgraded my
> > system to support WinXP and quickly heard about SpeakUp for Linux.  I'm
> > in the process of looking for a supported speech synth for SpeakUp, so
> > I'm still stuck in Windows on a 30 minute Win-Eyes time limit.  I hope
> > to soon get Slackware up and running, and soon be able to contribute to
> > the SpeakUp effort right along-side everyone.  I'm presently playing
> > around with a copy of Oralux and learning the features.  Just need that
> > speech synthesizer, and I should be off and running.  Thank you for all
> > your efforts.  It is well appreciated.
> >
> >     Best regards,
> >         Michael "Foreign White Devil" Ferranti
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Hello...

[ace]

Orca and Gnome are both great products and I would encourage their use but, 
if your budget allows, you should probably purchase a DoubleTalk LT which is 
an external hardware synthesizer.  The desktop environment still has its 
quirks and if it unexpectedly dies you will be dumped into a shell, so best 
to have hardware speech if at all possible.  Insure that you have a serial 
port, though.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:54 AM
Subject: Hello...


>     Hello all,
>
>     Just joined the list and thought I's say "hello" to everyone.
> Really nice to find a place like this.  I'm a rabid Linux fanatic who
> went blind from diabetic retinopathy in August of '02, and I've been
> pretty much offline ever since.  Finally broke down and upgraded my
> system to support WinXP and quickly heard about SpeakUp for Linux.  I'm
> in the process of looking for a supported speech synth for SpeakUp, so
> I'm still stuck in Windows on a 30 minute Win-Eyes time limit.  I hope
> to soon get Slackware up and running, and soon be able to contribute to
> the SpeakUp effort right along-side everyone.  I'm presently playing
> around with a copy of Oralux and learning the features.  Just need that
> speech synthesizer, and I should be off and running.  Thank you for all
> your efforts.  It is well appreciated.
>
>     Best regards,
>         Michael "Foreign White Devil" Ferranti
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

ace wrote:
> if your budget allows, you should probably purchase a DoubleTalk LT 

     Now I just heard something about the DoubleTalk...something about
it having some kind of command language.  Is this anything like the
Hayse AT modem command set?  That would rock.  Especially if I can issue
commands from a script, and perhaps have it say things I don't care to
clutter up the screen with.  I loved Redhat's init scripts during
boot-up, where the message results were something like "Pass" and
"Fail."  Would be nice to have that in Slackware.  Real sanitary.
Buying a synth will be no problem.  !Finding! one is another. <laughs>
I'm still stuck with the demo version of Win-Eyes, and it's a bear
trying to find anything useful, let alone keeping the same train of
thought. <grins>  Just had to reboot between this sentence and the last. 
  I'm !dying! to get back to Linux.  Could you tell me a bit more about 
the DoubleTalk, or point me in the right direction?  If it works with 
SpeakUp in Slackware, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.  Just spent three 
weeks trying to find someone selling a DecTalk Express, only to find 
that Internet Explorer was getting in the way.  My afore-mentioned 
friend showed me that Firefox was better, and I found Artic 
Technologies, only my stoopid Cricket phone won't connect me. <roflmao> 
  I keep getting a fast-busy signal until after hours.  Haven't been 
able to get through ever since. <sighs>  Life in the Mighty Metropolis 
of Delhi, California...armpit of the state. <grins>
     Any opions on hardware speech synthesizers will be gratefully 
accepted.  A URL where they can be bought is welcomed, too.  Thanks 
guys, for all the help.  This is the kind of effort I can feel proud to 
join.  Helping the blind (and myself) sounds like a much worthier cause.

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Gregory Nowak]

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> Buying a synth will be no problem.  !Finding! one is another. <laughs>

The doubletalk lt is made, and sold by RC Systems. You can find their site at:

http://www.rcsys.com

> I'm still stuck with the demo version of Win-Eyes, and it's a bear
> trying to find anything useful, let alone keeping the same train of
> thought. <grins>  Just had to reboot between this sentence and the last. 

Yeah, I still remember what that used to be like (grin). If you don't mind living on the edge,
there is a free (as in beer and speech), screenreader called nonvisual
desktop access, that is still in the alpha stage of development. You
can find it at:

http://www.nvaccess.org/nvda/

Hth.

Greg

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Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Gregory Nowak wrote:
> The doubletalk lt is made, and sold by RC Systems.

     Ahah!  That's two votes for the DoubleTalk LT.  Now maybe I'm not 
too worried about buying one.  I never could find some kind of "Consumer 
Report" on the things.

> http://www.nvaccess.org/nvda/

     Kewl.  I'll give it a try.  Yanno, you guys have an ideal 
opportunity to play "scam the newbie."  I'm about desperate enough to 
fall for any suggestion.  Breadboarding my own synth for instance.  I 
was even planning on going back to see how they first got Linux 
installed, prior to CD installations...even if I had to type it in using 
hexadecimal notation and DOS's debug.

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Hermann]

Do you really! want to convince anybody that prealpha software like NVDA 
is comparable to a fully developped screen reader like Jaws or WE? I 
can't believe it!
Hermann

Re: Hello...

[Littlefield, Tyler]

um. I would be.
I personally like speakup over jaws, and WE.,
You don't pay 200$ for... what was it once. 5 hotkeys. o_o

Thanks,
~~TheCreator~~
[My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
msn:
compgeek13@gmail.com
aim: st8amnd2005
skype: st8amnd127
vertigo head coder
web: tysdomain.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hermann" <steppenwolf2@onlinehome.de>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: Hello...


> Do you really! want to convince anybody that prealpha software like NVDA 
> is comparable to a fully developped screen reader like Jaws or WE? I 
> can't believe it!
> Hermann
> 
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Re: Hello...

[Glenn Ervin]

Is there still a script, or patch, or whatever it is called, to have Jaws 
keyboard commands in SpeakUp?
That is the one thing that I really dislike about SpeakUp.
There was such a patch, but I don't know if it has been maintained to work 
with recent builds.
Glenn
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Hello...


um. I would be.
I personally like speakup over jaws, and WE.,
You don't pay 200$ for... what was it once. 5 hotkeys. o_o

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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: Hello...


> Do you really! want to convince anybody that prealpha software like NVDA
> is comparable to a fully developped screen reader like Jaws or WE? I
> can't believe it!
> Hermann
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Re: Hello...

[Doug Sutherland]

Doubletalk has commands. At the device level, as interpreted over 
the serial connection to the chipset, commands are embedded in 
the text stream, identified by a CTRL-A or ASCII character 01.
This indicates a command will follow, and they are:

T - Text Mode - Places the synth in text operating mode as 
opposed to character mode, reading words insteads of letters

nT - Text Mode Delay - adds a pause between words. A zero
value for n is normal speech, other values cause longer pause.
The value of n can be 0 to 15.

C - Character Mode - Places the synth is character operating 
mode instead of text mode, reading letters one at a time rather
than whole words

nC - Character Mode Delay - adds a pause between letters.
A zero value is normal speech, other values cause longer pause.
The value of n can be 0 to 15.

D - Phoneme Mode - Disables the text-to-phonetics translator
allowing direct access to phonemes. Allows you to specify 
words in phonemes, example computer is k ax m p yy uw dx er

nS - Speed - Sets the speech speed. Default value of n is 5, 
range of speed is 0 to 13.

nO - Voice - Selects a preset voice. There are eleven preset 
voices, default voice is 0, range of n is 0 to 10.

nA - Articulation - Changes the voice from slurred 0 to choppy 9.
Default value of n is 5, range from 0 to 9.

nE - Expression - Intonation or variation in pitch within phrase.
Value of 0 for n is no intonation, range from 0 to 9.

M - Monotone - Disables intonation

nF - Formant Frequency - Adjust overall frequency response 
over the range of 0 to 99, default value 50.

nP - Pitch - Adjust pitch over range of 0 to 99, default value 50.

nT - Tone - Adjust tone over range 0 to 2, where 0 is bass 
setting, 1 is normal, and 2 is treble

nR - Add reverberation, where 0 is no reverb, range 0 to 9.

nV - Volume range 0 to 9 default 5.

There are additional commands for punctuation filtering, exception
dictionary, recording and playback of audio thru ADC (if functon
available on your chipset, and a few other control commands. 
Details are in the chipset datasheet, these are for RC8660.

Again, this is device level commands, what is available is driver
level may differ. An API (application programming interface) 
can be made such that CTL-A 5V (set volume to level 5) can
be coded as setVolume(5) or any other syntax as the coder
may desire, or these commands can be inserted into any ASCII
stream by using the CTRL-A (ASCII 0) to insert a command.

In the case of software like speakup, since it supports many 
different synths, it has its own commands, which at the driver
level in speakup translate to the native commands of the synth.
The above are the native commands of RC8660 doubletalk
chip. It is quite a lot of fun to play with these commands and 
its possible to make many different voices.

  -- Doug


 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Hello...


> ace wrote:
> > if your budget allows, you should probably purchase a DoubleTalk LT 
> 
>      Now I just heard something about the DoubleTalk...something about
> it having some kind of command language.  Is this anything like the
> Hayse AT modem command set?  That would rock.  Especially if I can issue
> commands from a script, and perhaps have it say things I don't care to
> clutter up the screen with.  I loved Redhat's init scripts during
> boot-up, where the message results were something like "Pass" and
> "Fail."  Would be nice to have that in Slackware.  Real sanitary.
> Buying a synth will be no problem.  !Finding! one is another. <laughs>
> I'm still stuck with the demo version of Win-Eyes, and it's a bear
> trying to find anything useful, let alone keeping the same train of
> thought. <grins>  Just had to reboot between this sentence and the last. 
>   I'm !dying! to get back to Linux.  Could you tell me a bit more about 
> the DoubleTalk, or point me in the right direction?  If it works with 
> SpeakUp in Slackware, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.  Just spent three 
> weeks trying to find someone selling a DecTalk Express, only to find 
> that Internet Explorer was getting in the way.  My afore-mentioned 
> friend showed me that Firefox was better, and I found Artic 
> Technologies, only my stoopid Cricket phone won't connect me. <roflmao> 
>   I keep getting a fast-busy signal until after hours.  Haven't been 
> able to get through ever since. <sighs>  Life in the Mighty Metropolis 
> of Delhi, California...armpit of the state. <grins>
>      Any opions on hardware speech synthesizers will be gratefully 
> accepted.  A URL where they can be bought is welcomed, too.  Thanks 
> guys, for all the help.  This is the kind of effort I can feel proud to 
> join.  Helping the blind (and myself) sounds like a much worthier cause.
> 
>          Michael
> 
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Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Doug Sutherland wrote:
> Doubletalk has commands. At the device level, as interpreted over 
> the serial connection to the chipset, commands are embedded in 
> the text stream, identified by a CTRL-A or ASCII character 01.

     Okay.  I get the picture.  Perfect...if SpeakUp doesn't complain. 
Man, I love that interface.  Especially for laptop users.  Never did 
care for mice, and like my fingers glued to the home-row on the 
keyboard.  (asdf-jkl;)  The laptop config makes it even easier.  No 
hunting for the notches on the F and J keys.  If Kirk and Andy weren't 
such ugly looking women, I'd propose to 'em. <grins>  This is what a 
screen reader !should! be.  Dunno if I've seen it in X though.  Oralux 
kinda sounds like everything is in text mode, as far as the client list, 
anyway.  A friend at CVALE (Central Valley Area Linux Enthusiasts) also 
sent me a copy of Ubuntoo, I think.  Never got it working.
     I was thinking along the lines of the old Sound Blaster's "say" 
command for DOS, where you could have the computer say whatever.  Might 
also be nice to feed the synth's output back into the microphone and 
record things to mp3 or WAV format.  How well does SpeakUp work with 
bitchx, do you know?  Hanging out on openprojects was another bad habit 
i'd like to renew. <grins>  Thank you for the info.  You've all been an 
enormous help.

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Doug Sutherland]

Michael said:
I was thinking along the lines of the old Sound Blaster's "say" 
command for DOS, where you could have the computer say whatever.

With doubletalk, any text sent to the serial port will speak.
In linux you could do echo "hello" > /dev/tty0 or cat file.txt > /dev/tty0
but speakup will send everything on the console to speech anyways ...

If you want a "say" command you can make a script that does exactly
the same thing, accepting the text as input param and routing the input
to the serial port, or make a "sayfile" that does the same thing but 
accepting filename as input and doing cat within the script. 

  -- Doug

Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Doug Sutherland wrote:
> In linux you could do echo "hello" > /dev/tty0 or cat file.txt > /dev/tty0

     <slaps forehead>  Duh!  Jeez, I've been using Windows too long.  If 
I can `cat file > /dev/dsp` to test the audio card...  Thanks for the 
rock upside the head.  I need them. <grins>

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Doug Sutherland]

The beauty of unix, aside from the command line interface,
is how everything is represented like a file. The power of 
that is amazing with various redirect, pipe, and commands
for search/replace/parse/etc along with powerful scripting.
And the whole concept of the /proc filesystem is brilliant. 

Michael wrote:
 I can `cat file > /dev/dsp` to test the audio card

Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Doug Sutherland wrote:
> The beauty of unix, aside from the command line interface,
> is how everything is represented like a file. The power of 
> that is amazing with various redirect, pipe, and commands
> for search/replace/parse/etc along with powerful scripting.
> And the whole concept of the /proc filesystem is brilliant. 


     I was thinking of things like:

#!/bin/bash
lynx -d %1 > %1.html
for ( link in %1.links.deny ) do }
cat %1.html | sed 's/%link//g' > %1.temp
mv %1.temp %1.html
} done
lynx %1.html

     Yeah, my scripting sux after five years, but I'd use something like
the above to filter out all the google links I don't feel like wading
through.  Just need to keep a copy of links I wand sed to remove in a
file called, "www.google.com.links.deny".  Ain't that a mouthful.
<grins>  I've been wanting to use that script ever since I started using
Win-Eyes and had no choice but to tab through each and every link to get
to the edit box.  Yeah, there's probably a quicker way with the browse
mode keys, but I don't plan to keep using Windows...or anything else I
have little or no control over.
     Anyway, it sounds like the only place I found that sells the
DoubleTalk LT is no longer displaying it for sale.  Either that or
they're temporarily out of stock.  Story of my life, trying to get this
stinker running.  Can't believe I've been at it since  January...

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 01:17:31PM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
>      Anyway, it sounds like the only place I found that sells the
> DoubleTalk LT is no longer displaying it for sale.  Either that or
> they're temporarily out of stock.

Yeah, it doesn't seem to be listed on the rc systems order page. I'd
give Randy, (RC Systems) a call Monday, and tell him you're interested
in buying one, and see what he tells you. If he's not selling them
anymore, (which would be a big shame), then I guess the trippletalk,
or the dectalk usb, (which does also have an rs232 port as far as I
know), are your only options for a new hardware synth.

Greg


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Re: Hello...

[Doug Sutherland]

DoubleTalk LT is listed on the order page here:
http://www.rcsys.com/order.htm

It says avail: in stock $279

Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Doug Sutherland wrote:
> DoubleTalk LT is listed on the order page here:

     I had to toggle on java script.  Stoopid website.  No reason in the 
world anyone needs to make my computer run anything just so I can enter 
my name and credit number.  It's definitely on its way now.

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Doug Sutherland]

Javascript, PDF, and Flash should be banned from web sites.
Either that or there should always be a text version available.

  -- Doug

Re: Hello...

[Alex Snow]

wishfull thinking...both javascript and pdf have their uses, but I'll 
agree with you on flash
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 06:13:06AM -0500, Doug 
Sutherland wrote:
> Javascript, PDF, and Flash should be banned from web sites.
> Either that or there should always be a text version available.
> 
>   -- Doug
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Re: Hello...

[Gregory Nowak]

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Yet another web site I needed to boot into windblows for to fully use,
(sigh). I didn't see it on the order page using elinks/lynx the
cat. Sorry for the misinformation, I stand corrected.

Greg


On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 02:46:34AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
> DoubleTalk LT is listed on the order page here:
> http://www.rcsys.com/order.htm
> 
> It says avail: in stock $279
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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RE: Hello...

[Jim Grimsby Jr.]

Sorry there is no operating system called win blows that I know of.  I am
aware of Microsoft windows but not of this other operating system.  Where
might one get this  operating system?  What advantages if any?  If this is a
attempt to make fun of windows might I subjest that we refer to things by
there proper names! 
Thanks.

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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 12:33 PM
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Subject: Re: Hello...


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Yet another web site I needed to boot into windblows for to fully use,
(sigh). I didn't see it on the order page using elinks/lynx the cat. Sorry
for the misinformation, I stand corrected.

Greg


On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 02:46:34AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
> DoubleTalk LT is listed on the order page here: 
> http://www.rcsys.com/order.htm
> 
> It says avail: in stock $279
> 
> 
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Re: Hello...

[Steve Holmes]

On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:52:00PM -0700, Jim Grimsby Jr. wrote:
> Sorry there is no operating system called win blows that I know of.  I am
> aware of Microsoft windows but not of this other operating system.  Where
> might one get this  operating system?  What advantages if any?  If this is a
> attempt to make fun of windows might I subjest that we refer to things by
> there proper names! 

The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind. <heheh>
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Re: Hello...

[Albert E. Sten-Clanton]

> Sorry there is no operating system called win blows that I know of.  I am
> aware of Microsoft windows but not of this other operating system.  Where
> might one get this  operating system?  What advantages if any?  If this is a
> attempt to make fun of windows might I subjest that we refer to things by
> there proper names! 

For purposes of truth-telling, Windblows IS the proper name.  I wish I'd been the one to come up with it!

Al

Re: Hello...

[ace]

Hey, speaking of the DoubleTalk LT, is it true that they had a new chip 
installed in them in 2004?

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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
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Subject: Re: Hello...


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> On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 01:17:31PM -0800, Gaijin wrote:
>>      Anyway, it sounds like the only place I found that sells the
>> DoubleTalk LT is no longer displaying it for sale.  Either that or
>> they're temporarily out of stock.
>
> Yeah, it doesn't seem to be listed on the rc systems order page. I'd
> give Randy, (RC Systems) a call Monday, and tell him you're interested
> in buying one, and see what he tells you. If he's not selling them
> anymore, (which would be a big shame), then I guess the trippletalk,
> or the dectalk usb, (which does also have an rs232 port as far as I
> know), are your only options for a new hardware synth.
>
> Greg
>
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Re: Hello...

[Littlefield, Tyler]

works fine with bitchx.
Thanks,
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Hello...


> Doug Sutherland wrote:
> > Doubletalk has commands. At the device level, as interpreted over 
> > the serial connection to the chipset, commands are embedded in 
> > the text stream, identified by a CTRL-A or ASCII character 01.
> 
>      Okay.  I get the picture.  Perfect...if SpeakUp doesn't complain. 
> Man, I love that interface.  Especially for laptop users.  Never did 
> care for mice, and like my fingers glued to the home-row on the 
> keyboard.  (asdf-jkl;)  The laptop config makes it even easier.  No 
> hunting for the notches on the F and J keys.  If Kirk and Andy weren't 
> such ugly looking women, I'd propose to 'em. <grins>  This is what a 
> screen reader !should! be.  Dunno if I've seen it in X though.  Oralux 
> kinda sounds like everything is in text mode, as far as the client list, 
> anyway.  A friend at CVALE (Central Valley Area Linux Enthusiasts) also 
> sent me a copy of Ubuntoo, I think.  Never got it working.
>      I was thinking along the lines of the old Sound Blaster's "say" 
> command for DOS, where you could have the computer say whatever.  Might 
> also be nice to feed the synth's output back into the microphone and 
> record things to mp3 or WAV format.  How well does SpeakUp work with 
> bitchx, do you know?  Hanging out on openprojects was another bad habit 
> i'd like to renew. <grins>  Thank you for the info.  You've all been an 
> enormous help.
> 
>          Michael
> 
> 
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Re: Hello...

[Gaijin]

Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> works fine with bitchx.

     Thank you.  I figured it would, the way SpeakUp is programmed to 
work.  Still nice to have it verified.

         Michael

Re: Hello...

[Cody Hurst]

Hello,
  External synths are quite pricy and should, in my opinion, be  
purchased if it is really going to be used productively, otherwise  
try to get a used one, which might be hard.

Cody
I have never had Gnome or orca crash on me.
On Jun 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, ace wrote:

> Orca and Gnome are both great products and I would encourage their  
> use but,
> if your budget allows, you should probably purchase a DoubleTalk LT  
> which is
> an external hardware synthesizer.  The desktop environment still  
> has its
> quirks and if it unexpectedly dies you will be dumped into a shell,  
> so best
> to have hardware speech if at all possible.  Insure that you have a  
> serial
> port, though.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gaijin" <gaijin@clearwire.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:54 AM
> Subject: Hello...
>
>
>
>>     Hello all,
>>
>>     Just joined the list and thought I's say "hello" to everyone.
>> Really nice to find a place like this.  I'm a rabid Linux fanatic who
>> went blind from diabetic retinopathy in August of '02, and I've been
>> pretty much offline ever since.  Finally broke down and upgraded my
>> system to support WinXP and quickly heard about SpeakUp for  
>> Linux.  I'm
>> in the process of looking for a supported speech synth for  
>> SpeakUp, so
>> I'm still stuck in Windows on a 30 minute Win-Eyes time limit.  I  
>> hope
>> to soon get Slackware up and running, and soon be able to  
>> contribute to
>> the SpeakUp effort right along-side everyone.  I'm presently playing
>> around with a copy of Oralux and learning the features.  Just need  
>> that
>> speech synthesizer, and I should be off and running.  Thank you  
>> for all
>> your efforts.  It is well appreciated.
>>
>>     Best regards,
>>         Michael "Foreign White Devil" Ferranti
>>
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hello

[Juan Hernandez]

Hello Everyone,

I am glad to be back.  I've been having trouble with getting mail from the speakup server, from my cox email.  so lets hope this works better now.

take care.
Juan Hernandez (CEO)
Net+1 Technologies
E-mail:  juan@netplus1.com
website:  http://www.netplus1.com
phone:  (858)-699-2105

Re: hello

[Janina Sajka]

I've edited this message ...

Eric Kosten writes:
> Hello Janina:
> Eric Kosten writing with the results of the output of the commands that you
> gave me.  The output was to large for the list and has been sent to the
> moderator.
i
Yes, there's a message limitet at the Speakup list. You'll need to edit
mail sent to the list--or break it up into multiple messages. I am
posting this response to the list, because others may benefit.

> here goes:
> 
> Thanks so much for helping! Here is what I found:
> 
> first the results of those commands:
> 
> modprobe:
> 
> alias eth0 b44

There's your ethernet device driver.
I've deleted it, but I see you're using a DEC Talk Express and have a
Sound Blaster type sound card, plus much more.

> lsmod:

The relevant output is:

> ipv6 232705 8
> b44 22341 0
> mii 4673 1 b44

Since I see no iptables related modules, I surmise you did not enable
the firewall. In other words, you selected to not use it, as it's on by
default.

> 
> ifconfig:
> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:6E:55:D8:00
> inet addr:192.168.0.101 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0

This machine's iIP address is 192.168.0.101, which sounds like an
address supplied by your router via dhcp. Nothing wrong with that.

> lastly:
> 
> the command:
> 
> route add default gw 192.168.1.1 eth0 produces:

Not sure why you would choose to say your gateway is at 192.168.1.1.
Where did you get that address? Given the IP address ifconfig shows,
it's far more likely something in 192.168.0.X, probably 192.168.0.1 or
192.168.0.254.

But, you shouldn't have to guess. If your router is supplying data over
dhcp, it will supply the gateway address as well. You skipped a step in
the message I sent. You do not provide the output of:

route

So, as root, do the following:

service network restart

and then run route. The last line of output should provide your gateway
address. You should be able to ping that address.

				Janina

Hello

[Ryan Mcmanomy]

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Hello I am very new at linux in fact I do not have linux yet that is what I hope you can help me with. 

I want to run linux as a dual boot with windows 2000. 

If I need a external synthesizer all I have is a bltm20. 

so what speech program for linux will work with the bltm20? 

Thanks for any help!! 


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Re: Hello

[Erik Heil]

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Hi. 
Does the M20 emulate a Litetalk synth?  This is what you have to know.  if so, you can use Speakup to provide access to the console, which is a screen review package that is installed as a bunch of kernel patches gotten via anonymous CVS or FTP.  If it does, then you're all set.  I don't have any specifications as far as what the Hardware specs on the synth are, so I'm sorry that I can't be more helpful in this regard. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ryan Mcmanomy 
  To: linux 
  Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:56 PM
  Subject: Hello




  Hello I am very new at linux in fact I do not have linux yet that is what I hope you can help me with. 

  I want to run linux as a dual boot with windows 2000. 

  If I need a external synthesizer all I have is a bltm20. 

  so what speech program for linux will work with the bltm20? 

  Thanks for any help!! 


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Re: Hello

[Edward L. Barnes]

Hi there Eric and anyone else following this thread including the 
gentleman who asked about it, the braille lite m 20 I believe emmulates 
a Double-Talk in the same way that the other Millenium series notetakers 
from Freedom Sciencefiction do. 
So, the speakup key word synth designation when doing the install of 
your distro at the beginning to make it talk with notetaker in speech 
box mode would be:
text speakup_synth=ltlk 
Of course if it's not detected you may have to pass other parameters on 
the command line however my attitude regarding this is something like, I 
won't complicate your life with that stuff at the moment, remember that 
however if you do need help feel free to write to me direct and or to 
the complete speakup list.
Hth and good luck!

Ed Barnes
Harbour Grace, Newfoundland, Canada
home phone +1-709-596-3165
e-mail and msn messenger id ebarnes@enigma2.cjb.net
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and 'successful.' Microsoft products are successful -- they make a lot of
money -- but that doesn't make them innovative, or even particularly
good." -ROBERT X. CRINGELY
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On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Erik Heil wrote:

> Hi. 
> Does the M20 emulate a Litetalk synth?  This is what you have to know.  if so, you can use Speakup to provide access to the console, which is a screen review package that is installed as a bunch of kernel patches gotten via anonymous CVS or FTP.  If it does, then you're all set.  I don't have any specifications as far as what the Hardware specs on the synth are, so I'm sorry that I can't be more helpful in this regard. 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Ryan Mcmanomy 
>   To: linux 
>   Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:56 PM
>   Subject: Hello
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Hello I am very new at linux in fact I do not have linux yet that is what I hope you can help me with. 
> 
>   I want to run linux as a dual boot with windows 2000. 
> 
>   If I need a external synthesizer all I have is a bltm20. 
> 
>   so what speech program for linux will work with the bltm20? 
> 
>   Thanks for any help!! 
> 
> 

Re: Hello

[Gregory Nowak]

No, the m20/40 units do not support speechbox mode as did the legacy blazie synths.
Greg


On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 03:45:44PM -0400, Erik Heil wrote:
> Hi. 
> Does the M20 emulate a Litetalk synth?  This is what you have to know.  if so, you can use Speakup to provide access to the console, which is a screen review package that is installed as a bunch of kernel patches gotten via anonymous CVS or FTP.  If it does, then you're all set.  I don't have any specifications as far as what the Hardware specs on the synth are, so I'm sorry that I can't be more helpful in this regard. 
> 

hello

[Pete]

  Hi  
  My name is Pete and I signed up today.  
  I hope this comes threw in text!  
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