new RedHat user with a question

new RedHat user with a question

[Stephen Clower]

Hi folks,
  I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my laptop with CD 1 in the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can ascertain the Linux boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer boots right up into Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set, but I'm not entirely certain if this is the case. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate them.
My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is the case, feel free to reply to me privately.
Thanks,
Steve

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Nick Van Vlaenderen]

Hi Steve,

Indeed, probably you need to change the boot device in your BIOS...

Nick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 12:52 AM
Subject: new RedHat user with a question


Hi folks,
  I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest version of
RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three Shrike iso images
and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my laptop with CD 1 in
the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can ascertain the Linux
boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer boots right up into
Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set, but I'm not entirely
certain if this is the case. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate
them.
My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is the
case, feel free to reply to me privately.
Thanks,
Steve

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
http://www.steve-audio.net



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Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Alex Snow]

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It looks like your machine isn't set to boot from cd. the boot order I 
prefer to use is floppy then cd then hard disk then any other stuff 
that may be listed such as network.
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM 
- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> Hi folks,
>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my laptop with CD 1 in the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can ascertain the Linux boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer boots right up into Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set, but I'm not entirely certain if this is the case. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate them.
> My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is the case, feel free to reply to me privately.
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> You can reach me by any of the following:
> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> 
> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net
>     
> 
> 
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> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> 

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Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Glenn Ervin at Home]

You might try holding F8 or one of the higher numbered F keys and see if you
get an option to boot to the CD-ROM drive.
You could hold down F8 and if you hear the CD drive spin up, arrow down
about 4 or 5 times and hit enter.
Glenn.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Van Vlaenderen" <nick.vanvlaenderen@pandora.be>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question


Hi Steve,

Indeed, probably you need to change the boot device in your BIOS...

Nick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 12:52 AM
Subject: new RedHat user with a question


Hi folks,
  I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest version of
RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three Shrike iso images
and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my laptop with CD 1 in
the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can ascertain the Linux
boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer boots right up into
Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set, but I'm not entirely
certain if this is the case. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate
them.
My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is the
case, feel free to reply to me privately.
Thanks,
Steve

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
http://www.steve-audio.net



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Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Stephen Clower]

Hi folks,
Thanks to the suggestions I received. I am now in the process of getting RedHat installed and am having a real blast with Disk Druid. All I can say is that I'm very glad Linux is known for its extensive documentation!
Regards
Steve


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On 2/26/2004 at 7:41 PM Alex Snow wrote:

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>It looks like your machine isn't set to boot from cd. the boot order I
>prefer to use is floppy then cd then hard disk then any other stuff
>that may be listed such as network.
>On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM
>- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest
>version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three
>Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my
>laptop with CD 1 in the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can
>ascertain the Linux boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer
>boots right up into Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set,
>but I'm not entirely certain if this is the case. If anyone has any
>thoughts, I'd appreciate them.
>> My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is
>the case, feel free to reply to me privately.
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>>
>> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
>> You can reach me by any of the following:
>> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
>> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
>> AIM: AudioRabbit03
>>
>> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
>http://www.steve-audio.net
>>
>>
>>
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>
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>back.
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Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Hi,

     Toshiba, and, I believe Twinhead machines, will let you press the C 
key at the beginning of the boot sequence.  The easiest thing to do is to 
hold down the C key until the system beeps.  then enter the text 
speakup_synth=<synth> command as usual.

     Red Hat 9 is the last release under the Red Hat Linux name, but the 
current version is called Fedora Core 1.  You can, and should, download it 
at:
ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/fedora/1/
          HTH.
-- 

Bill in Denver

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Stephen Clower wrote:

> Hi folks,
>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my laptop with CD 1 in the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can ascertain the Linux boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer boots right up into Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set, but I'm not entirely certain if this is the case. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate them.
> My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is the case, feel free to reply to me privately.
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> You can reach me by any of the following:
> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> 
> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net
>     
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Janina Sajka]

Hate to tell you that you're wrong. This is by no means the latest. See
http://fedora.redhat.com.

PS: Speakup Modified Fedora iso images are on line at:

http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/

Stephen Clower writes:
> From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> >On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM 
> >- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest
> >version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three
> >Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Tom and Esther Ward]

Hello, Steve.
Shrike is actually the previous version of Red Hat. The current version is
Fedora and has many updates including gnome 2.4, gnopernicus, as well as
many other packages.
You might want to hold off your install until you grab Fedora.
Hth.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:52 PM
Subject: new RedHat user with a question


Hi folks,
  I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest version of
RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three Shrike iso images
and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my laptop with CD 1 in
the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can ascertain the Linux
boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer boots right up into
Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set, but I'm not entirely
certain if this is the case. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate
them.
My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is the
case, feel free to reply to me privately.
Thanks,
Steve

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
http://www.steve-audio.net



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Re: new RedHat user with a question

[hank]

how do you tell it to boot up in text mode? and how do I tell it to only
install the text consol?
that is all I need linux fore
thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question


> Hate to tell you that you're wrong. This is by no means the latest. See
> http://fedora.redhat.com.
>
> PS: Speakup Modified Fedora iso images are on line at:
>
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/
>
> Stephen Clower writes:
> > From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> > >On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM
> > >- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> > >> Hi folks,
> > >>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest
> > >version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three
> > >Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up
my
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Stephen Clower]

Janina,
  Thanks for letting me know about the Fedora update before I started installing an out-of-date distribution. I'm downloading the binary iso images right now so will give it a go tomorrow. While this next question may seem off-topic, I was wondering how one would go about installing Gnopernicus to work with the Gnome desktop. Someone, William I believe, mentioned that the Fedora distribution came with Gnopernicus.
Thanks,
Steve

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Jes and guide dog Harley]

>From what I've heard from several Linux users, the previous version of redhat, shrike, wasn't very good. I don't know why they'd
say that, but what would be the advantages of going to Fedora, as far as packages and stability?
Thanks,
Jes and Harley
Email: jesman598@triad.rr.com
Msn instant messenger: subman70@hotmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom and Esther Ward <tward1978@earthlink.net>
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question


Hello, Steve.
Shrike is actually the previous version of Red Hat. The current version is
Fedora and has many updates including gnome 2.4, gnopernicus, as well as
many other packages.
You might want to hold off your install until you grab Fedora.
Hth.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:52 PM
Subject: new RedHat user with a question


Hi folks,
  I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest version of
RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three Shrike iso images
and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my laptop with CD 1 in
the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can ascertain the Linux
boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer boots right up into
Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set, but I'm not entirely
certain if this is the case. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate
them.
My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is the
case, feel free to reply to me privately.
Thanks,
Steve

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
http://www.steve-audio.net



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Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Alex Snow]

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I'm not sure if this is the same with redhat 9 but I found fedora was 
not worth the trouble to install. I found the lack of choises such as 
bootloader and boot methods quite disappointing.
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 
09:31:25PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Hate to tell you that you're wrong. This is by no means the latest. See
> http://fedora.redhat.com.
> 
> PS: Speakup Modified Fedora iso images are on line at:
> 
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/
> 
> Stephen Clower writes:
> > From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> > >On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM 
> > >- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> > >> Hi folks,
> > >>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest
> > >version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three
> > >Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Tom and Esther Ward]

One of the major advantages of Fedora is having the Gnome 2.4 desktop and
gnopernicus. Even though Gnome is not fully accessible I find being able to
do spreadsheet documents in Open Office, being able to read/write word
documents in Open Office, as well as other things is a large step for blind
Linux users in the right direction.
Another advantage I have found is as someone who sometimes writes apps in
java java applications written with accessible swing classes can be used in
Gnome 2.4 and gnopernicus once properly configured. For along time that
access was only on MS Windows platforms with the Windows java access bridge.
Now, with the gnome access bridge one can use and design java apps on either
os.
Most of the other stuff is just updated packages which is always nice to get
the latest software.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question


> >From what I've heard from several Linux users, the previous version of
redhat, shrike, wasn't very good. I don't know why they'd
> say that, but what would be the advantages of going to Fedora, as far as
packages and stability?
> Thanks,
> Jes and Harley
> Email: jesman598@triad.rr.com
> Msn instant messenger: subman70@hotmail.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom and Esther Ward <tward1978@earthlink.net>
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:51 PM
> Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question
>
>
> Hello, Steve.
> Shrike is actually the previous version of Red Hat. The current version is
> Fedora and has many updates including gnome 2.4, gnopernicus, as well as
> many other packages.
> You might want to hold off your install until you grab Fedora.
> Hth.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:52 PM
> Subject: new RedHat user with a question
>
>
> Hi folks,
>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest version
of
> RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three Shrike iso
images
> and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my laptop with CD 1 in
> the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can ascertain the Linux
> boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer boots right up into
> Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set, but I'm not entirely
> certain if this is the case. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate
> them.
> My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is
the
> case, feel free to reply to me privately.
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> You can reach me by any of the following:
> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
>
> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
> http://www.steve-audio.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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>
>
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Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Tom and Esther Ward]

Hi, Steve.
Fedora comes with gnopernicus 0.7.0 packages. However, 0.7.0 is out of date,
and I believe the current stable version is 0.7.1 and the current unstable
version is 0.7.4.
Once you get your system installed you will have to make a decision on
weather you wish to take the easy route and install and setup the existing
gnopernicus 0.7 Fedora packages,, or download the 0.7.1 source and upgrade,
or try gnome 2.6 unstable with gnopernicus 0.7.4.
Since you are new at Linux probably you will want to install the Fedora
gnopernicus rpms, and set the accessibility conf keys, and start with that
until you are able to compile source packages.
You can deal with gnpernicus once you have mostly everything installed.
However, make sure to install xwindows, gnome 2.4, and gnome devel in your
install. It will help if you wish to update specific gnome packages from
source.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question


Janina,
  Thanks for letting me know about the Fedora update before I started
installing an out-of-date distribution. I'm downloading the binary iso
images right now so will give it a go tomorrow. While this next question may
seem off-topic, I was wondering how one would go about installing
Gnopernicus to work with the Gnome desktop. Someone, William I believe,
mentioned that the Fedora distribution came with Gnopernicus.
Thanks,
Steve

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
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Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Stephen Clower]

Hi Tom,
Thanks a lot for the detailed replies. One of the reasons I want to install Linux, especially the Gnome desktop, is to get back into the "swing" of things and start programming again in C++ and Java. The fact that one can now even write Word documents and use spreadsheets in Open Office is simply fantastic. I know there's a long way to go, but considering the type of operating system we're dealing with, even the fact that accessibility has made it this far is amazing.
  If I can just get my hard drive partitioned without accidentally reformatting the whole thing, Linux should hopefully be up and working today.


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On 2/27/2004 at 8:37 AM Tom and Esther Ward wrote:

>One of the major advantages of Fedora is having the Gnome 2.4 desktop and
>gnopernicus. Even though Gnome is not fully accessible I find being able to
>do spreadsheet documents in Open Office, being able to read/write word
>documents in Open Office, as well as other things is a large step for blind
>Linux users in the right direction.
>Another advantage I have found is as someone who sometimes writes apps in
>java java applications written with accessible swing classes can be used in
>Gnome 2.4 and gnopernicus once properly configured. For along time that
>access was only on MS Windows platforms with the Windows java access
>bridge.
>Now, with the gnome access bridge one can use and design java apps on
>either
>os.
>Most of the other stuff is just updated packages which is always nice to
>get
>the latest software.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 5:35 AM
>Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question
>
>
>> >From what I've heard from several Linux users, the previous version of
>redhat, shrike, wasn't very good. I don't know why they'd
>> say that, but what would be the advantages of going to Fedora, as far as
>packages and stability?
>> Thanks,
>> Jes and Harley
>> Email: jesman598@triad.rr.com
>> Msn instant messenger: subman70@hotmail.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tom and Esther Ward <tward1978@earthlink.net>
>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question
>>
>>
>> Hello, Steve.
>> Shrike is actually the previous version of Red Hat. The current version
>is
>> Fedora and has many updates including gnome 2.4, gnopernicus, as well as
>> many other packages.
>> You might want to hold off your install until you grab Fedora.
>> Hth.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:52 PM
>> Subject: new RedHat user with a question
>>
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest version
>of
>> RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three Shrike iso
>images
>> and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my laptop with CD 1
>in
>> the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can ascertain the
>Linux
>> boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer boots right up into
>> Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set, but I'm not entirely
>> certain if this is the case. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate
>> them.
>> My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is
>the
>> case, feel free to reply to me privately.
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>>
>> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
>> You can reach me by any of the following:
>> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
>> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
>> AIM: AudioRabbit03
>>
>> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
>> http://www.steve-audio.net
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Janina Sajka]

Well, I suppose if you need to be coddled through the process of getting
lilo working you might be disappointed. For myself I find nothing
particularly difficult about typing:

rpm -iv lilo

and pressing the tab key.

Alex Snow writes:
> From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> 
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> Hash: SHA1
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the same with redhat 9 but I found fedora was 
> not worth the trouble to install. I found the lack of choises such as 
> bootloader and boot methods quite disappointing.
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 
> 09:31:25PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Hate to tell you that you're wrong. This is by no means the latest. See
> > http://fedora.redhat.com.
> > 
> > PS: Speakup Modified Fedora iso images are on line at:
> > 
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/
> > 
> > Stephen Clower writes:
> > > From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> > > >On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM 
> > > >- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> > > >> Hi folks,
> > > >>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest
> > > >version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three
> > > >Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> - -- 
> Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> back.
> 
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> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: +1 (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://www.a11y.org

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Janina Sajka]

You recognize, don't you, that this kind of "heard that" would not be
considered evidence in a court of law?

And, I have no way to respond to it. I have no way to judge what you
heard or the expertise of who you heard it from. But, malicious damage
it seems to do. So, I hope you're happy.

Jes and guide dog Harley writes:
> From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
> 
> >From what I've heard from several Linux users, the previous version of redhat, shrike, wasn't very good. I don't know why they'd
> say that, but what would be the advantages of going to Fedora, as far as packages and stability?
> Thanks,
> Jes and Harley
> Email: jesman598@triad.rr.com
> Msn instant messenger: subman70@hotmail.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom and Esther Ward <tward1978@earthlink.net>
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:51 PM
> Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question
> 
> 
> Hello, Steve.
> Shrike is actually the previous version of Red Hat. The current version is
> Fedora and has many updates including gnome 2.4, gnopernicus, as well as
> many other packages.
> You might want to hold off your install until you grab Fedora.
> Hth.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:52 PM
> Subject: new RedHat user with a question
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest version of
> RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three Shrike iso images
> and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my laptop with CD 1 in
> the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can ascertain the Linux
> boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer boots right up into
> Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set, but I'm not entirely
> certain if this is the case. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate
> them.
> My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is the
> case, feel free to reply to me privately.
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> You can reach me by any of the following:
> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> 
> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
> http://www.steve-audio.net
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: +1 (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://www.a11y.org

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Steve:

May I suggest you follow the installation suggestions of the HOWTO at:

http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/HOWTO_INSTALL.html

If you do the "everything" installation, as recommended in the HOWTO,
you will get a working GNOME 2.4 that includes Gnome-Speech and
Gnopernicus, howbeit a slightly older version.

There are still additional steps to making it fully functional such as
getting Sun's Java and making sure that Sun's Java RTK is used--but you
do all of that later.

As I suggested in a previous post, if you mean to be involved in Gnome
accessibility development--which I would heartily welcome as would the
wider community--you will soon want to be involved with more current
releases of GNOME and GNOME Accessibility. While I hesitate to say "Go
download yet another set of ISO images," the surest path to the current
development state in GNOME Accessibility is the beta release of Fedora
called Fedora Core 1.90 on the Fedora ftp mirror sites. Bill Acker does
have kernels patched with Speakup ready to install for this beta
environment at:

http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/development/

Please note these are also available via anonymous ftp to
www.linux-speakup.org.


Stephen Clower writes:
> From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> 
> Janina,
>   Thanks for letting me know about the Fedora update before I started installing an out-of-date distribution. I'm downloading the binary iso images right now so will give it a go tomorrow. While this next question may seem off-topic, I was wondering how one would go about installing Gnopernicus to work with the Gnome desktop. Someone, William I believe, mentioned that the Fedora distribution came with Gnopernicus.
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> You can reach me by any of the following:
> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> 
> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net
>     
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: +1 (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://www.a11y.org

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Janina Sajka]

The answer to this question is in my HOWTO at:

http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/HOWTO_INSTALL.html

When you access this document, search for "runlevel."

hank writes:
> From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
> 
> how do you tell it to boot up in text mode? and how do I tell it to only
> install the text consol?
> that is all I need linux fore
> thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:31 PM
> Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question
> 
> 
> > Hate to tell you that you're wrong. This is by no means the latest. See
> > http://fedora.redhat.com.
> >
> > PS: Speakup Modified Fedora iso images are on line at:
> >
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/
> >
> > Stephen Clower writes:
> > > From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> > > >On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM
> > > >- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> > > >> Hi folks,
> > > >>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest
> > > >version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three
> > > >Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up
> my
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: +1 (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://www.a11y.org

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[hank]

so would you recommend redhat 9 alex?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I'm not sure if this is the same with redhat 9 but I found fedora was
> not worth the trouble to install. I found the lack of choises such as
> bootloader and boot methods quite disappointing.
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at
> 09:31:25PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Hate to tell you that you're wrong. This is by no means the latest. See
> > http://fedora.redhat.com.
> >
> > PS: Speakup Modified Fedora iso images are on line at:
> >
> > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/
> >
> > Stephen Clower writes:
> > > From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> > > >On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM
> > > >- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> > > >> Hi folks,
> > > >>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest
> > > >version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three
> > > >Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up
my
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> - --
> Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> back.
>
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> UadYuyLp85+TMoXn8x4byqk=
> =8D5E
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Janina Sajka]

The answer to this question is in my HOWTO at:

http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/HOWTO_INSTALL.html

When you access this document, search for "runlevel."

When it comes to installing only text apps, select "Server" as the class
of installation and make sure all the gui application classes are not
checked on the packages screen. However, you do want the X libraries.

hank writes:
> From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
> 
> how do you tell it to boot up in text mode? and how do I tell it to only
> install the text consol?
> that is all I need linux fore
> thanks

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Sean McMahon]

I believe the debian installation manual has the keys to enter different bios
setups posted.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Ervin at Home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question


> You might try holding F8 or one of the higher numbered F keys and see if you
> get an option to boot to the CD-ROM drive.
> You could hold down F8 and if you hear the CD drive spin up, arrow down
> about 4 or 5 times and hit enter.
> Glenn.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nick Van Vlaenderen" <nick.vanvlaenderen@pandora.be>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:17 PM
> Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Indeed, probably you need to change the boot device in your BIOS...
>
> Nick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 12:52 AM
> Subject: new RedHat user with a question
>
>
> Hi folks,
>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest version of
> RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three Shrike iso images
> and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my laptop with CD 1 in
> the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can ascertain the Linux
> boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer boots right up into
> Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set, but I'm not entirely
> certain if this is the case. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate
> them.
> My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is the
> case, feel free to reply to me privately.
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> You can reach me by any of the following:
> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
>
> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
> http://www.steve-audio.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Sean McMahon]

You mentioned java, could you reply to me privately with tips on how to use the
java accessability api and the javax.accessability package.  For example I'm
working on a program which uses radio buttons, editable text fields, and a
non-editable text field.  I wand to use standard windows navigations with this
gui.  Tab to move between buttons and enter to select that sort of thing and
have the name of the edit field spoken.  I know that non-accessable java would
use the jradiobutton, jframe, jbutton and jtextfield, so what would be the
accessable equivelent.  send your reply to smcmahon@usgs.gov
Sean
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net>
To: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>; "Speakup is a screen
review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question


> One of the major advantages of Fedora is having the Gnome 2.4 desktop and
> gnopernicus. Even though Gnome is not fully accessible I find being able to
> do spreadsheet documents in Open Office, being able to read/write word
> documents in Open Office, as well as other things is a large step for blind
> Linux users in the right direction.
> Another advantage I have found is as someone who sometimes writes apps in
> java java applications written with accessible swing classes can be used in
> Gnome 2.4 and gnopernicus once properly configured. For along time that
> access was only on MS Windows platforms with the Windows java access bridge.
> Now, with the gnome access bridge one can use and design java apps on either
> os.
> Most of the other stuff is just updated packages which is always nice to get
> the latest software.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jes and guide dog Harley" <jesman598@triad.rr.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 5:35 AM
> Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question
>
>
> > >From what I've heard from several Linux users, the previous version of
> redhat, shrike, wasn't very good. I don't know why they'd
> > say that, but what would be the advantages of going to Fedora, as far as
> packages and stability?
> > Thanks,
> > Jes and Harley
> > Email: jesman598@triad.rr.com
> > Msn instant messenger: subman70@hotmail.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom and Esther Ward <tward1978@earthlink.net>
> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question
> >
> >
> > Hello, Steve.
> > Shrike is actually the previous version of Red Hat. The current version is
> > Fedora and has many updates including gnome 2.4, gnopernicus, as well as
> > many other packages.
> > You might want to hold off your install until you grab Fedora.
> > Hth.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:52 PM
> > Subject: new RedHat user with a question
> >
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest version
> of
> > RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three Shrike iso
> images
> > and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my laptop with CD 1 in
> > the CD-ROM drive, the CD spins up, but as far as I can ascertain the Linux
> > boot screen does not appear. Instead, my computer boots right up into
> > Windows. My guess is that the BIOS needs to be set, but I'm not entirely
> > certain if this is the case. If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate
> > them.
> > My apologies if this has been brought up on this list before. If this is
> the
> > case, feel free to reply to me privately.
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
> >
> > Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> > You can reach me by any of the following:
> > E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> > MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> > AIM: AudioRabbit03
> >
> > You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
> > http://www.steve-audio.net
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Janina Sajka]

It's not so much how you do it as the SDK you use. Accessibility is not
supported in GCJ, the default Java on Linux. You need to download the
Java SDK for Linux from www.sun.com, install it (easy because of rpm),
and then adjust your run-time environment so that the Sun Java is
sourced, rather than GCJ. A standard expedient for the latter
consideration is to just put Sun Java up front in your path.

Sean McMahon writes:
> From: "Sean McMahon" <smcmahon@usgs.gov>
> 
> You mentioned java, could you reply to me privately with tips on how to use the
> java accessability api and the javax.accessability package.  For example I'm
> working on a program which uses radio buttons, editable text fields, and a
> non-editable text field.  I wand to use standard windows navigations with this
> gui.  Tab to move between buttons and enter to select that sort of thing and
> have the name of the edit field spoken.  I know that non-accessable java would
> use the jradiobutton, jframe, jbutton and jtextfield, so what would be the
> accessable equivelent.  send your reply to smcmahon@usgs.gov
> Sean

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Alex Snow]

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yeah but getting an installation choise for what bootloader you want 
is a nice thing and makes installation that much more quick.
On Fri, Feb 
27, 2004 at 09:44:09AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Well, I suppose if you need to be coddled through the process of getting
> lilo working you might be disappointed. For myself I find nothing
> particularly difficult about typing:
> 
> rpm -iv lilo
> 
> and pressing the tab key.
> 
> Alex Snow writes:
> > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > I'm not sure if this is the same with redhat 9 but I found fedora was 
> > not worth the trouble to install. I found the lack of choises such as 
> > bootloader and boot methods quite disappointing.
> > On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 
> > 09:31:25PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Hate to tell you that you're wrong. This is by no means the latest. See
> > > http://fedora.redhat.com.
> > > 
> > > PS: Speakup Modified Fedora iso images are on line at:
> > > 
> > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/
> > > 
> > > Stephen Clower writes:
> > > > From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> > > > >On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM 
> > > > >- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> > > > >> Hi folks,
> > > > >>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest
> > > > >version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three
> > > > >Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > - -- 
> > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > back.
> > 
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> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 	
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net		
> Phone: +1 (202) 408-8175
> 
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://www.a11y.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Alex Snow]

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I personally cant recomend any redhat versions.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 
07:35:09AM -0800, hank wrote:
> so would you recommend redhat 9 alex?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:20 AM
> Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question
> 
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is the same with redhat 9 but I found fedora was
> > not worth the trouble to install. I found the lack of choises such as
> > bootloader and boot methods quite disappointing.
> > On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at
> > 09:31:25PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Hate to tell you that you're wrong. This is by no means the latest. See
> > > http://fedora.redhat.com.
> > >
> > > PS: Speakup Modified Fedora iso images are on line at:
> > >
> > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/
> > >
> > > Stephen Clower writes:
> > > > From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> > > > >On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM
> > > > >- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> > > > >> Hi folks,
> > > > >>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest
> > > > >version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three
> > > > >Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up
> my
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > - --
> > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > back.
> >
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> > iD8DBQFAPyga9XVrM3ri110RAppMAJ98FYcBaGUrRyinHKnkjx42uW9b6gCePKHt
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> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Janina Sajka]

Agreed. But, it's still not a big deal.

Alex Snow writes:
> From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> yeah but getting an installation choise for what bootloader you want 
> is a nice thing and makes installation that much more quick.
> On Fri, Feb 
> 27, 2004 at 09:44:09AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Well, I suppose if you need to be coddled through the process of getting
> > lilo working you might be disappointed. For myself I find nothing
> > particularly difficult about typing:
> > 
> > rpm -iv lilo
> > 
> > and pressing the tab key.
> > 
> > Alex Snow writes:
> > > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > > 
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure if this is the same with redhat 9 but I found fedora was 
> > > not worth the trouble to install. I found the lack of choises such as 
> > > bootloader and boot methods quite disappointing.
> > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 
> > > 09:31:25PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > Hate to tell you that you're wrong. This is by no means the latest. See
> > > > http://fedora.redhat.com.
> > > > 
> > > > PS: Speakup Modified Fedora iso images are on line at:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/
> > > > 
> > > > Stephen Clower writes:
> > > > > From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> > > > > >On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM 
> > > > > >- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> > > > > >> Hi folks,
> > > > > >>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest
> > > > > >version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three
> > > > > >Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up my
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > > - -- 
> > > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > > back.
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > -- 
> > 	
> > Janina Sajka
> > Email: janina@rednote.net		
> > Phone: +1 (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Director, Technology Research and Development
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > http://www.afb.org
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> > Free Standards Group
> > http://www.a11y.org
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> - -- 
> Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> back.
> 
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-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: +1 (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://www.a11y.org

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Janina Sajka]

Sounds like a personal thing.

By the way, what do you use? My memory suggests it's Slack, but I could
be wrong.

I guess I could say the same thing for Slack--I couldn't recommend it as
I don't know anything about it. But, then I don't rpetend to, either.

Alex Snow writes:
> From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> I personally cant recomend any redhat versions.
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 
> 07:35:09AM -0800, hank wrote:
> > so would you recommend redhat 9 alex?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question
> > 
> > 
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if this is the same with redhat 9 but I found fedora was
> > > not worth the trouble to install. I found the lack of choises such as
> > > bootloader and boot methods quite disappointing.
> > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at
> > > 09:31:25PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > Hate to tell you that you're wrong. This is by no means the latest. See
> > > > http://fedora.redhat.com.
> > > >
> > > > PS: Speakup Modified Fedora iso images are on line at:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Clower writes:
> > > > > From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> > > > > >On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM
> > > > > >- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> > > > > >> Hi folks,
> > > > > >>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest
> > > > > >version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three
> > > > > >Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up
> > my
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > - --
> > > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > > back.
> > >
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> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> - -- 
> Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> back.
> 
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Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: +1 (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://www.a11y.org

possibly a bad error

[Stephen Clower]

Hi folks,
  This afternoon I decided to give the Fedora installation a go and received an interesting error right after the Welcome message. The error said something about /lib/python2.2/ glib undefined, installation abnormally terminated, and then all of my devices were unmounted and I was told to reboot. If anyone knows what may have caused this error, please let me know.
Thanks,
Steve

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
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You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Shaun Oliver]

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at the risk of being helpful, Alex Snow delivered up the following on Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 02:42:10PM -0500, 
*snip*
> I personally cant recomend any redhat versions.
*SNIP*

Alex, why would you not reccomend red hat?
For my own, I don't like red hat but that's a matter of preference.
Well, it's not I don't like it, I choose not to use it.
Mainly because I prefer to use another distro as is my right.
To turn around and say I personally can't reccomend any red hat is the
way to start one hell of a flame war.
Red hat for what it's worth is good at doing just about everything for
you. and in some cases people need or want that.
We're not all technically minded and for a beginning red hat/fedora is
excellent.
So, put aside your personal issues when reccomending a distro to someone
and take into account what their needs are.
and everyone can we try not to keep 100000 messages tacked to our
replies?
I'm soon to be on a data transfer limit of 12 gb and there's others out
there that won't have that kind of leeway. Or for that matter, don't.
Top post if you must but limit it to the last message and your reply.



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Re: new RedHat user with a question

[Alex Snow]

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I'm using slack but I have used debian, fedora, and gentoo before.
On 
Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 04:49:24PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Sounds like a personal thing.
> 
> By the way, what do you use? My memory suggests it's Slack, but I could
> be wrong.
> 
> I guess I could say the same thing for Slack--I couldn't recommend it as
> I don't know anything about it. But, then I don't rpetend to, either.
> 
> Alex Snow writes:
> > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > I personally cant recomend any redhat versions.
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 
> > 07:35:09AM -0800, hank wrote:
> > > so would you recommend redhat 9 alex?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:20 AM
> > > Subject: Re: new RedHat user with a question
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > > Hash: SHA1
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if this is the same with redhat 9 but I found fedora was
> > > > not worth the trouble to install. I found the lack of choises such as
> > > > bootloader and boot methods quite disappointing.
> > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at
> > > > 09:31:25PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > > Hate to tell you that you're wrong. This is by no means the latest. See
> > > > > http://fedora.redhat.com.
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: Speakup Modified Fedora iso images are on line at:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/fedora/
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen Clower writes:
> > > > > > From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> > > > > > >On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:52:50PM
> > > > > > >- -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:
> > > > > > >> Hi folks,
> > > > > > >>   I am taking the big plunge and am working on getting the latest
> > > > > > >version of RedHat installed on my laptop. I have downloaded the three
> > > > > > >Shrike iso images and have burned each image to a CDR. When I boot up
> > > my
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > > - --
> > > > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > > > back.
> > > >
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> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
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> > back.
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> 
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> 	
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net		
> Phone: +1 (202) 408-8175
> 
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://www.a11y.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: possibly a bad error

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Hi,

     Sorry it took so long to reply, but I wanted to try an installation 
with the latest disks.  Yesterday, Cris installed using the latest build 
of the installation, and I built a server this morning.  Two things come 
to mind.  Have you done the media test at the start of the installation?  
And, some times, just re-running the installation will get you over the 
Anaconda weirdness.  I know that it shouldn't work that way, but I've seen 
it myself.  If you have any questions, call or write.
-- 
Bill in Denver

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Stephen Clower wrote:

> Hi folks,
>   This afternoon I decided to give the Fedora installation a go and received an interesting error right after the Welcome message. The error said something about /lib/python2.2/ glib undefined, installation abnormally terminated, and then all of my devices were unmounted and I was told to reboot. If anyone knows what may have caused this error, please let me know.
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> You can reach me by any of the following:
> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> 
> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net
>     
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: possibly a bad error

[Stephen Clower]

Hi Bill,
  Yes, I checked the media and all seems to be well. I'm not certain why the installation decided to cause those errors because since Friday afternoon I haven't seen them. However, it now seems that my hard drive can't be partitioned either by Partition Magic or by Disk Druid. SO unless I can get this minor but crutial problem solved, I won't be able to install Linux.


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 2/29/2004 at 3:18 PM William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 wrote:

>Hi,
>
>     Sorry it took so long to reply, but I wanted to try an installation
>with the latest disks.  Yesterday, Cris installed using the latest build
>of the installation, and I built a server this morning.  Two things come
>to mind.  Have you done the media test at the start of the installation?
>And, some times, just re-running the installation will get you over the
>Anaconda weirdness.  I know that it shouldn't work that way, but I've seen
>it myself.  If you have any questions, call or write.
>--
>Bill in Denver
>
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Stephen Clower wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>   This afternoon I decided to give the Fedora installation a go and
>received an interesting error right after the Welcome message. The error
>said something about /lib/python2.2/ glib undefined, installation
>abnormally terminated, and then all of my devices were unmounted and I was
>told to reboot. If anyone knows what may have caused this error, please
>let me know.
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>>
>> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
>> You can reach me by any of the following:
>> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
>> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
>> AIM: AudioRabbit03
>>
>> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
>http://www.steve-audio.net
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>
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Re: possibly a bad error

[Alex Snow]

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what happens when you go to partition the hard disk? as a last resort 
you could try zeroing the disk. this will destroy all data thus 
possibly fixing your problem.
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 06:08:23PM -0600, 
Stephen Clower wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>   Yes, I checked the media and all seems to be well. I'm not certain why the installation decided to cause those errors because since Friday afternoon I haven't seen them. However, it now seems that my hard drive can't be partitioned either by Partition Magic or by Disk Druid. SO unless I can get this minor but crutial problem solved, I won't be able to install Linux.
> 
> 
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> 
> On 2/29/2004 at 3:18 PM William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >     Sorry it took so long to reply, but I wanted to try an installation 
> >with the latest disks.  Yesterday, Cris installed using the latest build 
> >of the installation, and I built a server this morning.  Two things come 
> >to mind.  Have you done the media test at the start of the installation?  
> >And, some times, just re-running the installation will get you over the 
> >Anaconda weirdness.  I know that it shouldn't work that way, but I've seen 
> >it myself.  If you have any questions, call or write.
> >-- 
> >Bill in Denver
> >
> >On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Stephen Clower wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks,
> >>   This afternoon I decided to give the Fedora installation a go and
> >received an interesting error right after the Welcome message. The error
> >said something about /lib/python2.2/ glib undefined, installation
> >abnormally terminated, and then all of my devices were unmounted and I was
> >told to reboot. If anyone knows what may have caused this error, please
> >let me know.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Steve
> >> 
> >> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> >> You can reach me by any of the following:
> >> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> >> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> >> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> >> 
> >> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
> >http://www.steve-audio.net
> >>     
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> 
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> You can reach me by any of the following:
> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> 
> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net
>     
> 
> 
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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Re: possibly a bad error

[Stephen Clower]

Hi Alex,
About two seconds after I hit OK in Disk Druid to tell it to create my partitions, I get an error saying the space was not able to be allocated. In some instances, it tells me that it was unable to create a primary partition. Is it absolutely necessary that I use a primary partition to install Linux? A friend told me that logical partitions preformatted to EXT2 would work just as well.

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
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MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
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You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Festival errors

[Stephen Clower]

Hi folks,
  I am trying to compile the Festival speech system under Fedora Core 1.0. The Speech_Tools package seems to compile, but make test reveals some errors in a Genaudio.O module:
Make 2. GenAudio.O, Error 1
Make 1: Audio error 2

Does this error mean that my sound drivers were not installed properly? I checked under /lib/modules/2.4.22-2h.nptlspk2/kernel/sound
And I saw a file called Maestro3.O which is the module name for the sound chip in my laptop. I checked that the Maestro module was active by typing
modprobe maestro3
I heard a faint clicking sound from my speakers, and no error was sent to the screen so it looks like the driver is active. Does anyone know why I might be receiving this error?
Thanks,
Steve

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: Festival errors

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Is there any particular reason why you're not using the Festival package 
that comes with Fedora Core 1?
-- 

Bill in Denver

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Stephen Clower wrote:

> Hi folks,
>   I am trying to compile the Festival speech system under Fedora Core 1.0. The Speech_Tools package seems to compile, but make test reveals some errors in a Genaudio.O module:
> Make 2. GenAudio.O, Error 1
> Make 1: Audio error 2
> 
> Does this error mean that my sound drivers were not installed properly? I checked under /lib/modules/2.4.22-2h.nptlspk2/kernel/sound
> And I saw a file called Maestro3.O which is the module name for the sound chip in my laptop. I checked that the Maestro module was active by typing
> modprobe maestro3
> I heard a faint clicking sound from my speakers, and no error was sent to the screen so it looks like the driver is active. Does anyone know why I might be receiving this error?
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> You can reach me by any of the following:
> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> 
> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net
>     
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Festival errors

[Stephen Clower]

Hi Bill,
  Actually, it had escaped me last night at 2 AM that I had the Festival synthesizer on CD 3 of the Fedora Core distribution. I've since installed it along with Gnopernicus 0.7.0. I'm now trying to install the Speakup modifications made last year to work with Festival. However, since the latest version reflects Speakup 1.5 I'm guessing it would be better to wait since I'm using the version 2.0 which is on the Fedora Beta distribution.
  I have also downloaded several Festival voices which I would like to install. Is there a certain directory to which I need to install the tarballs? The documentation does not specify any direct path for the voices, and the 8 KHZ voice is a bit grating after a while.

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: Festival errors

[Kirk Reiser]

There is an experimental interface from current cvs speakup to the
speech dispatcher daemon which I believe supports festival.  You would
use the softsynth driver with speakup and the speechd-up driver from
the projects page at www.freebsoft.org/.  There are still some issues
to be resolved but it is an interesting start I think.

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Festival errors

[Garrett Klein]

Hey, cool...

I just got an older gateway laptop from my school to put Linux on, Slackware
9.1 of course. And it has a maestro3 card in it... what I've found is that I
needed to use the older GCC 3.2.3 that came with Slackware as opposed to the
3.3.3 that I built from sources to get speech tools/festival compiled and
running.
HTH

Garrett


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:43 AM
Subject: Festival errors


Hi folks,
  I am trying to compile the Festival speech system under Fedora Core 1.0.
The Speech_Tools package seems to compile, but make test reveals some errors
in a Genaudio.O module:
Make 2. GenAudio.O, Error 1
Make 1: Audio error 2

Does this error mean that my sound drivers were not installed properly? I
checked under /lib/modules/2.4.22-2h.nptlspk2/kernel/sound
And I saw a file called Maestro3.O which is the module name for the sound
chip in my laptop. I checked that the Maestro module was active by typing
modprobe maestro3
I heard a faint clicking sound from my speakers, and no error was sent to
the screen so it looks like the driver is active. Does anyone know why I
might be receiving this error?
Thanks,
Steve

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
http://www.steve-audio.net



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Re: Festival errors

[Stephen Clower]

Hi Garrett,
  How did you install the various voice files for Festival? The default 8KHZ voice which comes in the Festival RPM is quite monotynous and is difficult to understand. Would I be better off purchasing DecTalk from Fonix?


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 3/6/2004 at 7:05 PM Garrett Klein wrote:

>Hey, cool...
>
>I just got an older gateway laptop from my school to put Linux on,
>Slackware
>9.1 of course. And it has a maestro3 card in it... what I've found is that
>I
>needed to use the older GCC 3.2.3 that came with Slackware as opposed to
>the
>3.3.3 that I built from sources to get speech tools/festival compiled and
>running.
>HTH
>
>Garrett
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:43 AM
>Subject: Festival errors
>
>
>Hi folks,
>  I am trying to compile the Festival speech system under Fedora Core 1.0.
>The Speech_Tools package seems to compile, but make test reveals some
>errors
>in a Genaudio.O module:
>Make 2. GenAudio.O, Error 1
>Make 1: Audio error 2
>
>Does this error mean that my sound drivers were not installed properly? I
>checked under /lib/modules/2.4.22-2h.nptlspk2/kernel/sound
>And I saw a file called Maestro3.O which is the module name for the sound
>chip in my laptop. I checked that the Maestro module was active by typing
>modprobe maestro3
>I heard a faint clicking sound from my speakers, and no error was sent to
>the screen so it looks like the driver is active. Does anyone know why I
>might be receiving this error?
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
>Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
>You can reach me by any of the following:
>E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
>MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
>AIM: AudioRabbit03
>
>You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
>http://www.steve-audio.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: Festival errors

[Alex Snow]

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cool.
I just got an older ibm laptop that I'm thinking of putting linux on. 
only problem is the nic isn't supported.
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 
07:05:23PM -0500, Garrett Klein wrote:
> 
> Hey, cool...
> 
> I just got an older gateway laptop from my school to put Linux on, Slackware
> 9.1 of course. And it has a maestro3 card in it... what I've found is that I
> needed to use the older GCC 3.2.3 that came with Slackware as opposed to the
> 3.3.3 that I built from sources to get speech tools/festival compiled and
> running.
> HTH
> 
> Garrett
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:43 AM
> Subject: Festival errors
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
>   I am trying to compile the Festival speech system under Fedora Core 1.0.
> The Speech_Tools package seems to compile, but make test reveals some errors
> in a Genaudio.O module:
> Make 2. GenAudio.O, Error 1
> Make 1: Audio error 2
> 
> Does this error mean that my sound drivers were not installed properly? I
> checked under /lib/modules/2.4.22-2h.nptlspk2/kernel/sound
> And I saw a file called Maestro3.O which is the module name for the sound
> chip in my laptop. I checked that the Maestro module was active by typing
> modprobe maestro3
> I heard a faint clicking sound from my speakers, and no error was sent to
> the screen so it looks like the driver is active. Does anyone know why I
> might be receiving this error?
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> You can reach me by any of the following:
> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> 
> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
> http://www.steve-audio.net
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Festival errors

[Garrett Klein]

On the download site for Festival, there are lots of festlex* and festvox*
files, you unzip them in the directory right above where you unpacked
Festival, so, in my case, I just did cd .. from /usr/local/festival and did
a for loop to extract all the lexicons/voices. HTH.

Garrett


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Festival errors


Hi Garrett,
  How did you install the various voice files for Festival? The default 8KHZ
voice which comes in the Festival RPM is quite monotynous and is difficult
to understand. Would I be better off purchasing DecTalk from Fonix?


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 3/6/2004 at 7:05 PM Garrett Klein wrote:

>Hey, cool...
>
>I just got an older gateway laptop from my school to put Linux on,
>Slackware
>9.1 of course. And it has a maestro3 card in it... what I've found is that
>I
>needed to use the older GCC 3.2.3 that came with Slackware as opposed to
>the
>3.3.3 that I built from sources to get speech tools/festival compiled and
>running.
>HTH
>
>Garrett
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:43 AM
>Subject: Festival errors
>
>
>Hi folks,
>  I am trying to compile the Festival speech system under Fedora Core 1.0.
>The Speech_Tools package seems to compile, but make test reveals some
>errors
>in a Genaudio.O module:
>Make 2. GenAudio.O, Error 1
>Make 1: Audio error 2
>
>Does this error mean that my sound drivers were not installed properly? I
>checked under /lib/modules/2.4.22-2h.nptlspk2/kernel/sound
>And I saw a file called Maestro3.O which is the module name for the sound
>chip in my laptop. I checked that the Maestro module was active by typing
>modprobe maestro3
>I heard a faint clicking sound from my speakers, and no error was sent to
>the screen so it looks like the driver is active. Does anyone know why I
>might be receiving this error?
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
>Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
>You can reach me by any of the following:
>E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
>MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
>AIM: AudioRabbit03
>
>You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
>http://www.steve-audio.net
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
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interfacing an Emacspeak speech server with Speakup

[Stephen Clower]

Hi folks,
  I have sucessfully gotten Emacs up and running with Emacspeak. I am now curious to know if I can somehow interface Speakup with the dtk-soft Emacspeak speech server?

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: interfacing an Emacspeak speech server with Speakup

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
No, speakup can't do this as of yet. Yasr can, but it isn't always stable.
Yasr can be found at
http://yasr.sf.net/
I'm attempting to figure out how to get speechd to communicate with the dectalk through its generic driver, which would make it possible to use it with speakup, 
but I'm not having much luck with this.

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:43:40 -0600, Stephen Clower wrote:

>Hi folks,
>  I have sucessfully gotten Emacs up and running with Emacspeak. I am now curious to know if I can somehow interface Speakup with the dtk-soft 
Emacspeak speech server?