removeable disks

removeable disks

[Kyrath. (AKA Rob)]

I'm finally starting to poke around my linux box and have been doing a lot of reading, since I really had no basic unix knowledge to start with.
I believe that I've got the mounting of my floppy and cd drives, but I'm not able to access files on my cd.  In fact, I was only able to see files on my floppy by using the "mdir" command.  Unfortunately, not even that seems to work for the cd drive at all.
I thought the linux was able to read dos/windows formatted disks?
If anyone can direct me to specific information/reading material regarding the use of disks and cds between a windoes and linux box, I would greatly appreciate it.
I'm currently using slackware 9.1.
-- Rob

Re: removeable disks

[Gregory Nowak]

You want the from dos/windows to linux howto available from
www.tldp.org, search for it there. The command you want to get a
directory listing is the ls command.

If you installed the howtos package that comes with slackware, the
howto is in
/usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO
Use a program like less to view it. Typing
less /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO
should bring it up. Once in less, use page down or the spacebar to
move page by page, use the letter q to quit the less pager.

Hth.

Greg


On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 11:47:44PM -0500, Kyrath. (AKA Rob) wrote:
> I'm finally starting to poke around my linux box and have been doing a lot of reading, since I really had no basic unix knowledge to start with.
> I believe that I've got the mounting of my floppy and cd drives, but I'm not able to access files on my cd.  In fact, I was only able to see files on my floppy by using the "mdir" command.  Unfortunately, not even that seems to work for the cd drive at all.
> I thought the linux was able to read dos/windows formatted disks?
> If anyone can direct me to specific information/reading material regarding the use of disks and cds between a windoes and linux box, I would greatly appreciate it.
> I'm currently using slackware 9.1.
> -- Rob
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: removeable disks

[Joseph C. Lininger]

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Hello,
Yes in fact it can, and you don't need the mdir command. You can
simply use ls. For starters, try this. Put a cdrom in the CD drive,
then type this:

mount /mnt/cdrom

Now you can do ls, cp, etc. to access the files on your cdrom drive.
Make sure to do:

umount /mnt/cdrom

when finished. You can do the same for /mnt/floppy for your floppy
drive, provided the disks are already formatted. Formatting under
Linux is another story. If you want to know how to do it, let me know
and I'll post another message.

Finally, consult the following man pages for all you ever wanted to
know about this:

mount (8), umount (8), fstab (5)
- ---
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kyrath. (AKA Rob)" <kyrath@cox.net>
To: "Speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 9:47 PM
Subject: removeable disks


I'm finally starting to poke around my linux box and have been doing
a lot of reading, since I really had no basic unix knowledge to start
with.
I believe that I've got the mounting of my floppy and cd drives, but
I'm not able to access files on my cd.  In fact, I was only able to
see files on my floppy by using the "mdir" command.  Unfortunately,
not even that seems to work for the cd drive at all.
I thought the linux was able to read dos/windows formatted disks?
If anyone can direct me to specific information/reading material
regarding the use of disks and cds between a windoes and linux box, I
would greatly appreciate it.
I'm currently using slackware 9.1.
- -- Rob
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Re: removeable disks

[Kyrath. (AKA Rob)]

OK, I know how to use the "ls" command just fine.  I've also been reading
the "from dos/windows to linux howto".  The problem I'm having is what
windows says is on the disk/cd and what linux says are not the same.
For example: mdir tells me that the floppy has 5 files and they are exactly
the same 5 files that windows says is on the floppy.  However, when I mount
the floppy *mount /mnt/floppy* and use the ls command, I get 14 entries.
All 14 are very similar to the following.

/usr/bin/ls: /mnt/floppy/\353.hdrs\003\002: No such file or directory.

As for the cd, it is a cd-rw in the UDF format.  It's basically one of my
backup cds.  I believe that I came across something that said linux could
read this format.  However, the only files linux finds, using the ls
command, are:
  autorun.inf*
  udfrchk.exe*
  udfrinst.zl*
Obviously, these are not my backup files.

I hope this clarifies my problem.
Thanks
-- Rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: removeable disks


>
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>
> Hello,
> Yes in fact it can, and you don't need the mdir command. You can
> simply use ls. For starters, try this. Put a cdrom in the CD drive,
> then type this:
>
> mount /mnt/cdrom
>
> Now you can do ls, cp, etc. to access the files on your cdrom drive.
> Make sure to do:
>
> umount /mnt/cdrom
>
> when finished. You can do the same for /mnt/floppy for your floppy
> drive, provided the disks are already formatted. Formatting under
> Linux is another story. If you want to know how to do it, let me know
> and I'll post another message.
>
> Finally, consult the following man pages for all you ever wanted to
> know about this:
>
> mount (8), umount (8), fstab (5)
> - ---
> Joseph C. Lininger
> jbahm@pcdesk.net
> - ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kyrath. (AKA Rob)" <kyrath@cox.net>
> To: "Speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 9:47 PM
> Subject: removeable disks
>
>
> I'm finally starting to poke around my linux box and have been doing
> a lot of reading, since I really had no basic unix knowledge to start
> with.
> I believe that I've got the mounting of my floppy and cd drives, but
> I'm not able to access files on my cd.  In fact, I was only able to
> see files on my floppy by using the "mdir" command.  Unfortunately,
> not even that seems to work for the cd drive at all.
> I thought the linux was able to read dos/windows formatted disks?
> If anyone can direct me to specific information/reading material
> regarding the use of disks and cds between a windoes and linux box, I
> would greatly appreciate it.
> I'm currently using slackware 9.1.
> - -- Rob
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: removeable disks

[Joseph C. Lininger]

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Hi,
It looks like in the case of the floppy, Linux is attempting to mount
with the wrong filesystem. Try this:

mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy

You may have to use something other than /dev/fd0 depending on how
your system is set up, but this is most likely the correct device. As
for the CD-Rom, the problem is most probably that you used something
like DirectCD for Windows to make the CD. These use a specialized
version of UDF, which Linux can not read. Even support for standard
UDF is considered questionable at the moment, but it definitely won't
read it if something like DirectCD is used. Problem is, I don't know
of any programs that write the UDF filesystem that don't use some
kind of specialized format.
- ---
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kyrath. (AKA Rob)" <kyrath@cox.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: removeable disks


> OK, I know how to use the "ls" command just fine.  I've also been
> reading the "from dos/windows to linux howto".  The problem I'm
> having is what windows says is on the disk/cd and what linux says
> are not the same. For example: mdir tells me that the floppy has 5
> files and they are exactly the same 5 files that windows says is on
> the floppy.  However, when I mount the floppy *mount /mnt/floppy*
> and use the ls command, I get 14 entries. All 14 are very similar
> to the following.
> 
> /usr/bin/ls: /mnt/floppy/\353.hdrs\003\002: No such file or
> directory.  
> 
> As for the cd, it is a cd-rw in the UDF format.  It's basically one
> of my backup cds.  I believe that I came across something that said
> linux could read this format.  However, the only files linux finds,
> using the ls command, are:
>   autorun.inf*
>   udfrchk.exe*
>   udfrinst.zl*
> Obviously, these are not my backup files.
> 
> I hope this clarifies my problem.
> Thanks
> -- Rob
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 2:12 AM
> Subject: Re: removeable disks
> 
> 
> >
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> >
> > Hello,
> > Yes in fact it can, and you don't need the mdir command. You can
> > simply use ls. For starters, try this. Put a cdrom in the CD drive,
> > then type this:
> >
> > mount /mnt/cdrom
> >
> > Now you can do ls, cp, etc. to access the files on your cdrom drive.
> > Make sure to do:
> >
> > umount /mnt/cdrom
> >
> > when finished. You can do the same for /mnt/floppy for your floppy
> > drive, provided the disks are already formatted. Formatting under
> > Linux is another story. If you want to know how to do it, let me know
> > and I'll post another message.
> >
> > Finally, consult the following man pages for all you ever wanted to
> > know about this:
> >
> > mount (8), umount (8), fstab (5)
> > - ---
> > Joseph C. Lininger
> > jbahm@pcdesk.net
> > - ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Kyrath. (AKA Rob)" <kyrath@cox.net>
> > To: "Speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 9:47 PM
> > Subject: removeable disks
> >
> >
> > I'm finally starting to poke around my linux box and have been doing
> > a lot of reading, since I really had no basic unix knowledge to start
> > with.
> > I believe that I've got the mounting of my floppy and cd drives, but
> > I'm not able to access files on my cd.  In fact, I was only able to
> > see files on my floppy by using the "mdir" command.  Unfortunately,
> > not even that seems to work for the cd drive at all.
> > I thought the linux was able to read dos/windows formatted disks?
> > If anyone can direct me to specific information/reading material
> > regarding the use of disks and cds between a windoes and linux box, I
> > would greatly appreciate it.
> > I'm currently using slackware 9.1.
> > - -- Rob
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: removeable disks

[Steve Holmes]

What tools did you use to make this CD in the first place? By what
you've said so far, it sounds like your cd is not an "ISO" CD but
perhaps a UDF type.  In that case, you'll have to be sure that UDF
file system support is available in your kernel and then mount the
disk like so:
mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
I havenot dealt personally with UDF CD's in any environment for a long
time and have never done so in linux so I am guessing a bit here.

HTH.
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Re: removeable disks

[Kyrath. (AKA Rob)]

Awesome!
I checked my fstab file and saw the cdrom entry.  It was listed as follows:

/dev/cdrom  /mnt/cdrom  iso9660  noauto,owner,ro  0  0

I'm not quite sure what all of that means, but I assumed that it was using
iso9660 by default.  So I did try specifying udf as the file system and it
worked!
When I mounted the cd, linux gave me a message about it being read only.
Does anyone know if there is a way to move files to my cd?  I'm using a HP
cd writer.

Thanks for the tips.
-- Rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: removeable disks


> What tools did you use to make this CD in the first place? By what
> you've said so far, it sounds like your cd is not an "ISO" CD but
> perhaps a UDF type.  In that case, you'll have to be sure that UDF
> file system support is available in your kernel and then mount the
> disk like so:
> mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
> I havenot dealt personally with UDF CD's in any environment for a long
> time and have never done so in linux so I am guessing a bit here.
>
> HTH.
> -- 
> HolmesGrown Solutions
> The best solutions for the best price!
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Re: removeable disks

[Gregory Nowak]

No, until somebody figures out how to do write support on udf on the
fly, your directcd disks will only be read-only like Joseph
said. Actually, I'm surprised that an apparently directcd disk mounted at
all under udf.
There is some info about this in the cd-writing howto in the FAQ
section I
believe. You would have that under
/usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/CD-Writing-HOWTO, if you've got the howtos
package installed.


Greg


On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 04:47:46PM -0500, Kyrath. (AKA Rob) wrote:
> Awesome!
> I checked my fstab file and saw the cdrom entry.  It was listed as follows:
> 
> /dev/cdrom  /mnt/cdrom  iso9660  noauto,owner,ro  0  0
> 
> I'm not quite sure what all of that means, but I assumed that it was using
> iso9660 by default.  So I did try specifying udf as the file system and it
> worked!
> When I mounted the cd, linux gave me a message about it being read only.
> Does anyone know if there is a way to move files to my cd?  I'm using a HP
> cd writer.
> 
> Thanks for the tips.
> -- Rob

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Re: removeable disks

[Steve Holmes]

The kernel offers support for writing UDF file systems.  However the
comments said it was "very dangerous" Take that as you may:) You can
always give it a try.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 05:24:22PM -0600, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> No, until somebody figures out how to do write support on udf on the
> fly, your directcd disks will only be read-only like Joseph
> said. Actually, I'm surprised that an apparently directcd disk mounted at
> all under udf.
> There is some info about this in the cd-writing howto in the FAQ
> section I
> believe. You would have that under
> /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/CD-Writing-HOWTO, if you've got the howtos
> package installed.
> 
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 04:47:46PM -0500, Kyrath. (AKA Rob) wrote:
> > Awesome!
> > I checked my fstab file and saw the cdrom entry.  It was listed as follows:
> > 
> > /dev/cdrom  /mnt/cdrom  iso9660  noauto,owner,ro  0  0
> > 
> > I'm not quite sure what all of that means, but I assumed that it was using
> > iso9660 by default.  So I did try specifying udf as the file system and it
> > worked!
> > When I mounted the cd, linux gave me a message about it being read only.
> > Does anyone know if there is a way to move files to my cd?  I'm using a HP
> > cd writer.
> > 
> > Thanks for the tips.
> > -- Rob
> 
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Re: removeable disks

[Alex Snow]

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You're gonna need to set up ide-scsi emulation if you want to burn 
cd's. If you're using slackware add hdc=ide-scsi to the append= line 
in /etc/lilo.conf and run lilo. replace hdc with the name of your cd 
writer.
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 04:47:46PM -0500, Kyrath. (AKA Rob) 
wrote:
> Awesome!
> I checked my fstab file and saw the cdrom entry.  It was listed as follows:
> 
> /dev/cdrom  /mnt/cdrom  iso9660  noauto,owner,ro  0  0
> 
> I'm not quite sure what all of that means, but I assumed that it was using
> iso9660 by default.  So I did try specifying udf as the file system and it
> worked!
> When I mounted the cd, linux gave me a message about it being read only.
> Does anyone know if there is a way to move files to my cd?  I'm using a HP
> cd writer.
> 
> Thanks for the tips.
> -- Rob
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: removeable disks
> 
> 
> > What tools did you use to make this CD in the first place? By what
> > you've said so far, it sounds like your cd is not an "ISO" CD but
> > perhaps a UDF type.  In that case, you'll have to be sure that UDF
> > file system support is available in your kernel and then mount the
> > disk like so:
> > mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
> > I havenot dealt personally with UDF CD's in any environment for a long
> > time and have never done so in linux so I am guessing a bit here.
> >
> > HTH.
> > -- 
> > HolmesGrown Solutions
> > The best solutions for the best price!
> > http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
> >
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> >
> 
> 
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Re: removeable disks

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  If you are using a 2.6 kernel, you are discouraged from using
ide-scsi emulation.  2.6 kernels use the IDE cdrom driver for burning
CD's.  You will also need the latest cdrecord to get it working.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny

On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 06:27:51PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote:
> You're gonna need to set up ide-scsi emulation if you want to burn 
> cd's. If you're using slackware add hdc=ide-scsi to the append= line 
> in /etc/lilo.conf and run lilo. replace hdc with the name of your cd 
> writer.
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 04:47:46PM -0500, Kyrath. (AKA Rob) 
> wrote:
> > Awesome!
> > I checked my fstab file and saw the cdrom entry.  It was listed as follows:
> > 
> > /dev/cdrom  /mnt/cdrom  iso9660  noauto,owner,ro  0  0
> > 
> > I'm not quite sure what all of that means, but I assumed that it was using
> > iso9660 by default.  So I did try specifying udf as the file system and it
> > worked!
> > When I mounted the cd, linux gave me a message about it being read only.
> > Does anyone know if there is a way to move files to my cd?  I'm using a HP
> > cd writer.
> > 
> > Thanks for the tips.
> > -- Rob
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: removeable disks
> > 
> > 
> > > What tools did you use to make this CD in the first place? By what
> > > you've said so far, it sounds like your cd is not an "ISO" CD but
> > > perhaps a UDF type.  In that case, you'll have to be sure that UDF
> > > file system support is available in your kernel and then mount the
> > > disk like so:
> > > mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
> > > I havenot dealt personally with UDF CD's in any environment for a long
> > > time and have never done so in linux so I am guessing a bit here.
> > >
> > > HTH.
> > > -- 
> > > HolmesGrown Solutions
> > > The best solutions for the best price!
> > > http://ld.net/?holmesgrown
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
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