strange communication

strange communication

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

A friend of mine received this notice. Does it mean what it seems
to mean?

Chuck

Dear LondaM,

Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer.

This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming
discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your
migration to another Red Hat solution.

As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and
errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December
31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll
find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing.  We understand
that transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning
and implementation.  We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network
customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as
possible. Details:

****************
If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February
28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's two
years for the price of one.)

****************
In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center
to address your migration planning and other questions, such as:

* What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat
  Enterprise Linux?

* Are there other migration alternatives?

* How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price
  above?

* What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004?

****************

Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons,
whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource
Center:

  http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn


Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers:

  https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/

Sincerely,

Red Hat, Inc.


[*] Limit 10 units. Higher volume purchase inquiries should contact a
    regional Red Hat sales representative. Contact numbers available at
    http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn

--the Red Hat Network Team

Account Information:
  Your RHN login:         LondaM
  Your RHN email address: londa.mccullough@verizon.net




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Re: strange communication

[Deedra Waters]

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Hash: SHA1

I've seen a lot of talk about this going around on freenode. I'm not
sure of the details, but there's been a great deal of talk about it
today

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

> A friend of mine received this notice. Does it mean what it seems
> to mean?
>
> Chuck
>
> Dear LondaM,
>
> Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer.
>
> This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming
> discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your
> migration to another Red Hat solution.
>
> As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and
> errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December
> 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
> Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
> another product in the Red Hat Linux line.
>
> With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll
> find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing.  We understand
> that transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning
> and implementation.  We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network
> customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as
> possible. Details:
>
> ****************
> If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February
> 28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's two
> years for the price of one.)
>
> ****************
> In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center
> to address your migration planning and other questions, such as:
>
> * What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat
>   Enterprise Linux?
>
> * Are there other migration alternatives?
>
> * How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price
>   above?
>
> * What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004?
>
> ****************
>
> Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons,
> whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource
> Center:
>
>   http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn
>
>
> Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers:
>
>   https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Red Hat, Inc.
>
>
> [*] Limit 10 units. Higher volume purchase inquiries should contact a
>     regional Red Hat sales representative. Contact numbers available at
>     http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn
>
> --the Red Hat Network Team
>
> Account Information:
>   Your RHN login:         LondaM
>   Your RHN email address: londa.mccullough@verizon.net
>
>
>
>
>

- -- 
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Re: strange communication

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
Well, I'm no RH insider, so a few details may have escaped me. But essentially this means that the product named Red Hat Linux will be discontinued as 
the message states. Red Hat Linux is now Red Hat Fedora Core, which is due for official release later this month, starting at version 1.0. Fedora core is now 
a project, not a product. The project has a more open development model, where many more people can contribute to it. However, this does mean that it is 
no longer a retail product like red hat linux was, but it is still essentially the same system. For more info, visit:
http://fedora.redhat.com/
HTH
P.S. If anyone's installed fedora core, please write me, I got it installed but am having some major issues in the areas of bootup and networking. Not sure 
whether this latest beta is broken or if I screwed something up during installation, since kickstart doesn't seem to work exactly the same.

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:21:38 -0500 (EST), Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

>A friend of mine received this notice. Does it mean what it seems
>to mean?
>
>Chuck
>
>Dear LondaM,
>
>Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer.
>
>This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming
>discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your
>migration to another Red Hat solution.
>
>As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and
>errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December
>31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
>Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
>another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

Re: strange communication

[Jes and guide dog Harley]

I think this is due to the fact that the fedora core is more community based than redhat Linux. Redhat has been faulted for
placing packages in the install that were proprietary pieces of software. Thank you for telling me about this, I've thought about
switching to fedora anyway, and this means I'm going to completely errase my iso images of redhat linux if it's no longer going to
be current technology.
Thanks again,
Jes and Harley
----- Original Message -----
From: Deedra Waters <deedra@dmwaters.us>
To: Charles Hallenbeck <chuckh@sent.com>; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Cc: Speakup Distribution List <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: strange communication


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Hash: SHA1

I've seen a lot of talk about this going around on freenode. I'm not
sure of the details, but there's been a great deal of talk about it
today

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

> A friend of mine received this notice. Does it mean what it seems
> to mean?
>
> Chuck
>
> Dear LondaM,
>
> Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer.
>
> This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming
> discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your
> migration to another Red Hat solution.
>
> As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and
> errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December
> 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
> Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
> another product in the Red Hat Linux line.
>
> With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll
> find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing.  We understand
> that transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning
> and implementation.  We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network
> customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as
> possible. Details:
>
> ****************
> If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February
> 28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's two
> years for the price of one.)
>
> ****************
> In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center
> to address your migration planning and other questions, such as:
>
> * What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat
>   Enterprise Linux?
>
> * Are there other migration alternatives?
>
> * How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price
>   above?
>
> * What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004?
>
> ****************
>
> Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons,
> whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource
> Center:
>
>   http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn
>
>
> Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers:
>
>   https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Red Hat, Inc.
>
>
> [*] Limit 10 units. Higher volume purchase inquiries should contact a
>     regional Red Hat sales representative. Contact numbers available at
>     http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn
>
> --the Red Hat Network Team
>
> Account Information:
>   Your RHN login:         LondaM
>   Your RHN email address: londa.mccullough@verizon.net
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: strange communication

[Sina Bahram]

Yes that is correct. They are stopping their support of those OSs but
it's no big deal at all. Just use fadora.

Take care,
Sina

No trees were destroyed in sending this message. However, a large number
of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Chuck Hallenbeck
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:22 PM
To: Speakup Distribution List
Subject: strange communication


A friend of mine received this notice. Does it mean what it seems to
mean?

Chuck

Dear LondaM,

Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer.

This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming
discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your
migration to another Red Hat solution.

As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and
errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December
31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll
find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing.  We understand that
transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning and
implementation.  We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network
customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as
possible. Details:

****************
If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February
28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's
two years for the price of one.)

****************
In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center
to address your migration planning and other questions, such as:

* What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat
  Enterprise Linux?

* Are there other migration alternatives?

* How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price
  above?

* What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004?

****************

Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons,
whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource
Center:

  http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn


Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers:

  https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/

Sincerely,

Red Hat, Inc.


[*] Limit 10 units. Higher volume purchase inquiries should contact a
    regional Red Hat sales representative. Contact numbers available at
    http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn

--the Red Hat Network Team

Account Information:
  Your RHN login:         LondaM
  Your RHN email address: londa.mccullough@verizon.net




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Re: strange communication

[Jes and guide dog Harley]

Hi Jacob,
Redhat is also incorperating redhat interprise Linux in to their line of retail products. Which aparently from this message, they
will put a price stamp on the product and won't make it available for download, accept maybe as a trial version. Hope this
helps...Jes.

Jes and Harley
Email: jesman598@triad.rr.com
Msn instant messenger: subman70@hotmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Schmude <jschmude@adelphia.net>
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: strange communication


Hi
Well, I'm no RH insider, so a few details may have escaped me. But essentially this means that the product named Red Hat Linux
will be discontinued as
the message states. Red Hat Linux is now Red Hat Fedora Core, which is due for official release later this month, starting at
version 1.0. Fedora core is now
a project, not a product. The project has a more open development model, where many more people can contribute to it. However,
this does mean that it is
no longer a retail product like red hat linux was, but it is still essentially the same system. For more info, visit:
http://fedora.redhat.com/
HTH
P.S. If anyone's installed fedora core, please write me, I got it installed but am having some major issues in the areas of bootup
and networking. Not sure
whether this latest beta is broken or if I screwed something up during installation, since kickstart doesn't seem to work exactly
the same.

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:21:38 -0500 (EST), Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

>A friend of mine received this notice. Does it mean what it seems
>to mean?
>
>Chuck
>
>Dear LondaM,
>
>Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer.
>
>This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming
>discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your
>migration to another Red Hat solution.
>
>As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and
>errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December
>31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
>Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
>another product in the Red Hat Linux line.




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Re: strange communication

[Jes and guide dog Harley]

Well, whenever linux-speakup.org has a fedora iso with speakup enabled on it, I'll download it. Until mean time I'm staying away.
Thanks for your suggestions, though.

Jes and Harley
Email: jesman598@triad.rr.com
Msn instant messenger: subman70@hotmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Sina Bahram <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: 'Charles Hallenbeck' <chuckh@sent.com>; 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:57 PM
Subject: RE: strange communication


Yes that is correct. They are stopping their support of those OSs but
it's no big deal at all. Just use fadora.

Take care,
Sina

No trees were destroyed in sending this message. However, a large number
of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Chuck Hallenbeck
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:22 PM
To: Speakup Distribution List
Subject: strange communication


A friend of mine received this notice. Does it mean what it seems to
mean?

Chuck

Dear LondaM,

Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer.

This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming
discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your
migration to another Red Hat solution.

As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and
errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December
31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll
find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing.  We understand that
transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning and
implementation.  We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network
customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as
possible. Details:

****************
If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February
28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's
two years for the price of one.)

****************
In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center
to address your migration planning and other questions, such as:

* What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat
  Enterprise Linux?

* Are there other migration alternatives?

* How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price
  above?

* What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004?

****************

Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons,
whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource
Center:

  http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn


Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers:

  https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/

Sincerely,

Red Hat, Inc.


[*] Limit 10 units. Higher volume purchase inquiries should contact a
    regional Red Hat sales representative. Contact numbers available at
    http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn

--the Red Hat Network Team

Account Information:
  Your RHN login:         LondaM
  Your RHN email address: londa.mccullough@verizon.net




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Re: strange communication

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
As far as I know, rh enterprise linux has always been like that. The only time I've seen it for download is in its beta versions, which I think RH still has on their ftp 
site.

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:01:41 -0500, Jes and guide dog Harley wrote:

>Hi Jacob,
>Redhat is also incorperating redhat interprise Linux in to their line of retail products. Which aparently from this message, they
>will put a price stamp on the product and won't make it available for download, accept maybe as a trial version. Hope this
>helps...Jes.

Re: strange communication

[Janina Sajka]

It looks like a sales pitch to me.

Short answer ...

The consumer level Red Hat Linux is no more--at least not by that name.
Red Hat Linux and Fedora Core have merged.
It is now called Fedora Core.

I will continue to call it Red Hat Fedora Core in a vain hope of
avoiding just such confusion as I seen on this list tonight.

To learn more look at htt:

http://www.fedora.us
http://fedora.redhat.com


Meanwhile, Red Hat Corp continues to offer industrial strength
distribution and support--which is what they seem to be selling in the
message you forwarded.


Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
> From: Chuck Hallenbeck <chuckh@sent.com>
> 
> A friend of mine received this notice. Does it mean what it seems
> to mean?
> 
> Chuck
> 
> Dear LondaM,
> 
> Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer.
> 
> This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming
> discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your
> migration to another Red Hat solution.
> 
> As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and
> errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December
> 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
> Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
> another product in the Red Hat Linux line.
> 
> With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll
> find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing.  We understand
> that transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning
> and implementation.  We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network
> customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as
> possible. Details:
> 
> ****************
> If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February
> 28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's two
> years for the price of one.)
> 
> ****************
> In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center
> to address your migration planning and other questions, such as:
> 
> * What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat
>   Enterprise Linux?
> 
> * Are there other migration alternatives?
> 
> * How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price
>   above?
> 
> * What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004?
> 
> ****************
> 
> Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons,
> whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource
> Center:
> 
>   http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn
> 
> 
> Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers:
> 
>   https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Red Hat, Inc.
> 
> 
> [*] Limit 10 units. Higher volume purchase inquiries should contact a
>     regional Red Hat sales representative. Contact numbers available at
>     http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn
> 
> --the Red Hat Network Team
> 
> Account Information:
>   Your RHN login:         LondaM
>   Your RHN email address: londa.mccullough@verizon.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: strange communication

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Hi, Jacob,

     Send me your number, or call me at the number at the top of this 
message and I'll do my best.

          HTH.
-- 


Bill in Denver

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Jacob Schmude wrote:

> P.S. If anyone's installed fedora core, please write me, I got it installed but am having some major issues in the areas of bootup and networking. Not sure 
> whether this latest beta is broken or if I screwed something up during installation, since kickstart doesn't seem to work exactly the same.

Re: strange communication

[Guy Abandon.]

This is either - really from Redhat and means they're trying to force
you into the paid product  or it is someone like SCO or other bent on
undermining the markket position of a Linux world leader.

Either way, not good.

GA!

Re: strange communication

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, You won't need to buy redhat enterprize linux if you don't want to.  
The new version will be freely downloadable and if it is not then that 
is a violation of the gpl.  bye On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Jacob Schmude wrote:

> Hi
> As far as I know, rh enterprise linux has always been like that. The only time I've seen it for download is in its beta versions, which I think RH still has on their ftp 
> site.
> 
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:01:41 -0500, Jes and guide dog Harley wrote:
> 
> >Hi Jacob,
> >Redhat is also incorperating redhat interprise Linux in to their line of retail products. Which aparently from this message, they
> >will put a price stamp on the product and won't make it available for download, accept maybe as a trial version. Hope this
> >helps...Jes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 

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Re: strange communication

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
Actually, that's not true. The gpl states that anyone may charge money for a product, as long as the source is distributed with it. The gpl doesn't say that the 
product has to be freely downloadable, it says that the source must be provided and that the user has the right to modify it. Many people seem to interpret this 
as the product must be available at no cost, which is not true. RH is completely entitled to charge money for enterprise linux and not make it freely 
downloadable, so long as they provide the source code with it. As the FSF says: think free speech not free beer.
HTH
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:20:48 -0600 (CST), Nick Gawronski wrote:

>Hi, You won't need to buy redhat enterprize linux if you don't want to.  
>The new version will be freely downloadable and if it is not then that 
>is a violation of the gpl.

Re: strange communication

[Adam Myrow]

The way I interpret the GPL is that anybody has the right to give somebody
else a copy of the software.  That is, if Redhat Enterprise edition is
licensed under the GPL, then somebody could buy a copy, and copy it off
for their friends.  Those friends could make copies, etc.  In other words,
it makes legal what we often call software piracy.  The GNU web site makes
clear that they don't like the term "pirate" and that forbidding the
sharing of software is as wrong as forbidding the sharing of a recipe.
That's what they mean by freedom as I understand it.

Re: strange communication

[Janina Sajka]

Well, yes, free speech and not free beer.

And, RH Enterprise won't be downloadable, at least not as far as I'm
aware. I'd be extremely surprised.

What will be downloadable is Fedora Core 1.0.



Jacob Schmude writes:
> From: "Jacob Schmude" <jschmude@adelphia.net>
> 
> Hi
> Actually, that's not true. The gpl states that anyone may charge money for a product, as long as the source is distributed with it. The gpl doesn't say that the 
> product has to be freely downloadable, it says that the source must be provided and that the user has the right to modify it. Many people seem to interpret this 
> as the product must be available at no cost, which is not true. RH is completely entitled to charge money for enterprise linux and not make it freely 
> downloadable, so long as they provide the source code with it. As the FSF says: think free speech not free beer.
> HTH
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:20:48 -0600 (CST), Nick Gawronski wrote:
> 
> >Hi, You won't need to buy redhat enterprize linux if you don't want to.  
> >The new version will be freely downloadable and if it is not then that 
> >is a violation of the gpl.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: strange communication

[Alex Snow]

though I thought that fee was only to cover distribution costs. I 
don't think the price of redhat enterprise is just to cover the 
distribution costs.

On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:08:04PM -0500, Jacob 
Schmude wrote:
> Hi
> Actually, that's not true. The gpl states that anyone may charge money for a product, as long as the source is distributed with it. The gpl doesn't say that the 
> product has to be freely downloadable, it says that the source must be provided and that the user has the right to modify it. Many people seem to interpret this 
> as the product must be available at no cost, which is not true. RH is completely entitled to charge money for enterprise linux and not make it freely 
> downloadable, so long as they provide the source code with it. As the FSF says: think free speech not free beer.
> HTH
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:20:48 -0600 (CST), Nick Gawronski wrote:
> 
> >Hi, You won't need to buy redhat enterprize linux if you don't want to.  
> >The new version will be freely downloadable and if it is not then that 
> >is a violation of the gpl.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: strange communication

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
What the price covers is irrelevant, be it distribution costs or the software itself. They're still perfectly within their rights to charge whatever price they see fit, and 
since they're the ones who put the distro together, they have the right to not make enterprise downloadable if they so choose. What they can't stop, unless 
they've developed proprietary software to mix into enterprise linux, is someone else putting it up for download if they wish to.
HTH
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:26:54 -0500, Alex Snow wrote:

>though I thought that fee was only to cover distribution costs. I 
>don't think the price of redhat enterprise is just to cover the 
>distribution costs.
>