Extremely puzzled

Extremely puzzled

[Chris]

OK, I'm a bit befuttled here...  I am extremely new to linux.  I literally
know minus to nothing hardly...  I only know just barely and I emphacize,
barely, know enough to get me by...  Anyhow, I am using an accent S A on
/dev/ttyS0 and have my linux system set up on /dev/hdb1 as I have two hard
disks, and am running Windows m E on c: which by the way, I do plan on
ditching in the long run...

here is the problem that I ran into.  Lorenzo Prince, once trying to help me
yesterday with installing Slackware version 9, with Speakup.  All went
beautifully, until I ran into a bad situation.  We can't find the speakup
mapped keyboard in the list of keyboard maps...  Yet, the installer said you
could skip that step altogether unless you are running a keyboard besides a
standard U.S. 1o1 setup.  lorenzo told me though that I had to map the
keyboard in there as if I didn't and used the standard, then my speakup
navigational keys wouldn't work.  Well... he was right...  Everything
installed flawlessly, except that now, speakup will not let me navigate and
move around the screen...  like, if I hit the 7 key, to move up the screen
by line, it won't do it.  I will here something real weird like either 1, or
5, or something.  i know that isn't written on the screen though, as it's
percistent.  no, I didn't set a frame buffer size in lilo; I just used the
standard Linux console.  I hope that it doesn't have to do with the x system
or gnome or the fact that I literally installed every single package that
was included.  I figure I'd rather have far too much, than far too little,
you know?  lorenzo told me that he knew in Redhat there was a speakup
keyboard layout, but I sure don't see it in the list under Slackware.

i just booted straight to the CD, with no floppy, and typed:

speakup.i speakup_synth=acntsa


That got it up and talking at that point.  Then a corse, I had to pass that
to the boot loader, lilo.  Which by the way, is installed currently on my
mbr of this machine.

I didn't create a linux Swap partition as I was told that since I had 320 mb
of ram, it really wasn't a requirement.  I always thought it was, but o
well...  i really at this point, just don't know what on earth Lorenzo and I
may have failed to see...  Could someone please suggest either on or off
list, to either him or I, what we may should do?  preferably you'll probably
be better off for now anyway, talking to him about it then he can help me
out as like i said, I'm so knew to this, that if you started talking
mapping, or mounting points etc, you're gonna lose me right away...

Any help is greatly appreciated.


Chris.

Re: Extremely puzzled

[Shaun Oliver]

that's because,
the speakup keymap is hard coded into the kernel.
you should have skipped that step altogether.
it's been nearly 2 years since I installed slackware but afaik the
installer ain't changed that  much.
apart from locating a speakup keymap some place if there's one to be
found, and loading it with loadkeys, you're up shit street. for now
anyway.
lol.
hth

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Re: Extremely puzzled

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
Actually, you don't want to remap the keyboard at all, as the speakup keymap is hard-coded into the kernel. Newer CVS releases of speakup changed this 
behavior, but with speakup 1.5 included in slackware you must skip the remapping step. It sounds to me as though you remapped your keyboard. If so, 
remove the rc.keymap file, like this:
rm /etc/rc.d/rc.keymap
you must do this while logged in as root. Now, reboot the system. This should take care of the problem, as it will disable whatever keymap was loading and 
taking over speakup's keys.
HTH


On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:30:49 -0400, Chris wrote:

>OK, I'm a bit befuttled here...  I am extremely new to linux.  I literally
>know minus to nothing hardly...  I only know just barely and I emphacize,
>barely, know enough to get me by...  Anyhow, I am using an accent S A on
>/dev/ttyS0 and have my linux system set up on /dev/hdb1 as I have two hard
>disks, and am running Windows m E on c: which by the way, I do plan on
>ditching in the long run...
>
>here is the problem that I ran into.  Lorenzo Prince, once trying to help me
>yesterday with installing Slackware version 9, with Speakup.  All went
>beautifully, until I ran into a bad situation.  We can't find the speakup
>mapped keyboard in the list of keyboard maps...  Yet, the installer said you
>could skip that step altogether unless you are running a keyboard besides a
>standard U.S. 1o1 setup.  lorenzo told me though that I had to map the
>keyboard in there as if I didn't and used the standard, then my speakup
>navigational keys wouldn't work.  Well... he was right...  Everything
>installed flawlessly, except that now, speakup will not let me navigate and
>move around the screen...  like, if I hit the 7 key, to move up the screen
>by line, it won't do it.  I will here something real weird like either 1, or
>5, or something.  i know that isn't written on the screen though, as it's
>percistent.  no, I didn't set a frame buffer size in lilo; I just used the
>standard Linux console.  I hope that it doesn't have to do with the x system
>or gnome or the fact that I literally installed every single package that
>was included.  I figure I'd rather have far too much, than far too little,
>you know?  lorenzo told me that he knew in Redhat there was a speakup
>keyboard layout, but I sure don't see it in the list under Slackware.
>
>i just booted straight to the CD, with no floppy, and typed:
>
>speakup.i speakup_synth=acntsa
>
>
>That got it up and talking at that point.  Then a corse, I had to pass that
>to the boot loader, lilo.  Which by the way, is installed currently on my
>mbr of this machine.
>
>I didn't create a linux Swap partition as I was told that since I had 320 mb
>of ram, it really wasn't a requirement.  I always thought it was, but o
>well...  i really at this point, just don't know what on earth Lorenzo and I
>may have failed to see...  Could someone please suggest either on or off
>list, to either him or I, what we may should do?  preferably you'll probably
>be better off for now anyway, talking to him about it then he can help me
>out as like i said, I'm so knew to this, that if you started talking
>mapping, or mounting points etc, you're gonna lose me right away...
>

Re: Extremely puzzled

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
Actually, you don't want to remap the keyboard at all, as the speakup keymap is hard-coded into the kernel. Newer CVS releases of speakup changed this 
behavior, but with speakup 1.5 included in slackware you must skip the remapping step. It sounds to me as though you remapped your keyboard. If so, 
remove the rc.keymap file, like this:
rm /etc/rc.d/rc.keymap
you must do this while logged in as root. Now, reboot the system. This should take care of the problem, as it will disable whatever keymap was loading and 
taking over speakup's keys.
HTH


On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:30:49 -0400, Chris wrote:

>OK, I'm a bit befuttled here...  I am extremely new to linux.  I literally
>know minus to nothing hardly...  I only know just barely and I emphacize,
>barely, know enough to get me by...  Anyhow, I am using an accent S A on
>/dev/ttyS0 and have my linux system set up on /dev/hdb1 as I have two hard
>disks, and am running Windows m E on c: which by the way, I do plan on
>ditching in the long run...
>
>here is the problem that I ran into.  Lorenzo Prince, once trying to help me
>yesterday with installing Slackware version 9, with Speakup.  All went
>beautifully, until I ran into a bad situation.  We can't find the speakup
>mapped keyboard in the list of keyboard maps...  Yet, the installer said you
>could skip that step altogether unless you are running a keyboard besides a
>standard U.S. 1o1 setup.  lorenzo told me though that I had to map the
>keyboard in there as if I didn't and used the standard, then my speakup
>navigational keys wouldn't work.  Well... he was right...  Everything
>installed flawlessly, except that now, speakup will not let me navigate and
>move around the screen...  like, if I hit the 7 key, to move up the screen
>by line, it won't do it.  I will here something real weird like either 1, or
>5, or something.  i know that isn't written on the screen though, as it's
>percistent.  no, I didn't set a frame buffer size in lilo; I just used the
>standard Linux console.  I hope that it doesn't have to do with the x system
>or gnome or the fact that I literally installed every single package that
>was included.  I figure I'd rather have far too much, than far too little,
>you know?  lorenzo told me that he knew in Redhat there was a speakup
>keyboard layout, but I sure don't see it in the list under Slackware.
>
>i just booted straight to the CD, with no floppy, and typed:
>
>speakup.i speakup_synth=acntsa
>
>
>That got it up and talking at that point.  Then a corse, I had to pass that
>to the boot loader, lilo.  Which by the way, is installed currently on my
>mbr of this machine.
>
>I didn't create a linux Swap partition as I was told that since I had 320 mb
>of ram, it really wasn't a requirement.  I always thought it was, but o
>well...  i really at this point, just don't know what on earth Lorenzo and I
>may have failed to see...  Could someone please suggest either on or off
>list, to either him or I, what we may should do?  preferably you'll probably
>be better off for now anyway, talking to him about it then he can help me
>out as like i said, I'm so knew to this, that if you started talking
>mapping, or mounting points etc, you're gonna lose me right away...
>

Re: Extremely puzzled

[Chris]

Shawn,


i tried also to skip that sttep and when I did, i still had the same issue.

In fact, it did me even worse without skipping it as it asked me to type 1
on an empty line to accept the key map, or 2 on an empty line to decline and
reselect.

The trouble is, that at this point in the installer, regardless if I
selected a key map or not, the speakup keys at that point stop working.
now:  I heard something about there being a newly created cursor tracking
experimental feature you could enable by hitting the star key.  I haven't
tried doing that as of yet, and really I probably should, as I wonder if
that may help matters any?  Somehow though, i tend to doubt it...

What exactly is cursor tracking anyway?


I know:  if I use jaws under windows, I should know by now what that is, and
I guess, i sort a do, but not exactly.

i wonder, if I actually need to go up to the speakup ftp site and grab the
speakup.i boot floppy and run it as a ramdisk and then use the two install
root disk floppies, instead of booting to the cd rom and then issuing the
speakup.i command line.

i wonder if i'd have better luck that way...

i have to leave the house and will be gone till about 3 to 3:30 PM eastern
today, but then I have two days to myself that I can play with it...

Also, I'd like to schedulte and find someone ahead of time, who would be
willing once i'm up and successfully running who could assist me either
remotely through ssh or maybe telnet, or could even maybe over the phone
help me, with installing my sound card's alsa drivers...  I am using an sb
live value.  Under windows, it's version 5.1 so I don't know under Linux
what version of the alsa drivers I'd need.  I guess there is only one
version, but i'm not really sure...

Thanks.


Chris.

Re: Extremely puzzled

[Chris]

O shit!

The thing won't even let me log in as root!


Now, I know! i put in the right password I assigned.  i think later today,
i'll just reinstall altogether.


Chris.

Re: Extremely puzzled

[Steve Holmes]

Well, befor reinstalling, might wanna get out your install disks and
boot up like you're gonna reinstall and then mount the root
partition.  In fact, if there are no other user accounts defined on
your system yet, just replace the /etc/password and shadow files with
ones from the RAM disk environment you would be presently in and you
could then login with no password and reset it.  

Yes, I have installed slackware numerous times and I never choose a
keyboard.  I never saw a rc.keyboard file but that sounds like a good
trick to recover.  I guess that only gets created if one chooses a
non-standard keyboard.  Now I understand there's a bigger challenge
for non-US keyboard users who want speakup keys because speakup
keyboards weren't built for non-US configurations that I know of.

On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 06:51:27AM -0400, Chris wrote:
> O shit!
> 
> The thing won't even let me log in as root!
> 
> 
> Now, I know! i put in the right password I assigned.  i think later today,
> i'll just reinstall altogether.
> 
> 
> Chris.

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Re: Extremely puzzled

[Barry Pollock]

Why don't you overwrite the map the keymap the system calls for with the
keymap you wish to use as the name the system wants, then you should
have the problem solved Barry

Re: Extremely puzzled

[Charles Crawford]

Did you make sure you pressed the number pad key?  From your description, 
it may be something as simple as that.

-- charlie Crawford.
At 05:30 AM 9/16/03 -0400, you wrote:
>OK, I'm a bit befuttled here...  I am extremely new to linux.  I literally
>know minus to nothing hardly...  I only know just barely and I emphacize,
>barely, know enough to get me by...  Anyhow, I am using an accent S A on
>/dev/ttyS0 and have my linux system set up on /dev/hdb1 as I have two hard
>disks, and am running Windows m E on c: which by the way, I do plan on
>ditching in the long run...
>
>here is the problem that I ran into.  Lorenzo Prince, once trying to help me
>yesterday with installing Slackware version 9, with Speakup.  All went
>beautifully, until I ran into a bad situation.  We can't find the speakup
>mapped keyboard in the list of keyboard maps...  Yet, the installer said you
>could skip that step altogether unless you are running a keyboard besides a
>standard U.S. 1o1 setup.  lorenzo told me though that I had to map the
>keyboard in there as if I didn't and used the standard, then my speakup
>navigational keys wouldn't work.  Well... he was right...  Everything
>installed flawlessly, except that now, speakup will not let me navigate and
>move around the screen...  like, if I hit the 7 key, to move up the screen
>by line, it won't do it.  I will here something real weird like either 1, or
>5, or something.  i know that isn't written on the screen though, as it's
>percistent.  no, I didn't set a frame buffer size in lilo; I just used the
>standard Linux console.  I hope that it doesn't have to do with the x system
>or gnome or the fact that I literally installed every single package that
>was included.  I figure I'd rather have far too much, than far too little,
>you know?  lorenzo told me that he knew in Redhat there was a speakup
>keyboard layout, but I sure don't see it in the list under Slackware.
>
>i just booted straight to the CD, with no floppy, and typed:
>
>speakup.i speakup_synth=acntsa
>
>
>That got it up and talking at that point.  Then a corse, I had to pass that
>to the boot loader, lilo.  Which by the way, is installed currently on my
>mbr of this machine.
>
>I didn't create a linux Swap partition as I was told that since I had 320 mb
>of ram, it really wasn't a requirement.  I always thought it was, but o
>well...  i really at this point, just don't know what on earth Lorenzo and I
>may have failed to see...  Could someone please suggest either on or off
>list, to either him or I, what we may should do?  preferably you'll probably
>be better off for now anyway, talking to him about it then he can help me
>out as like i said, I'm so knew to this, that if you started talking
>mapping, or mounting points etc, you're gonna lose me right away...
>
>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>Chris.
>
>
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>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: Extremely puzzled

[Charles Crawford]

Hey Chris,

         Congratulations on your perseverance.  you'll enjoy it that much 
more when you are over the hump.

-- charlie.
At 06:51 AM 9/16/03 -0400, you wrote:
>O shit!
>
>The thing won't even let me log in as root!
>
>
>Now, I know! i put in the right password I assigned.  i think later today,
>i'll just reinstall altogether.
>
>
>Chris.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Extremely puzzled

[Chris]

OK, but I honestly have no clue how to do that.


Chris.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barry Pollock" <barryp@mail.hurontel.on.ca>
To: "Chris" <chris@mailvision.ath.cx>
Cc: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: Extremely puzzled


> Why don't you overwrite the map the keymap the system calls for with the
> keymap you wish to use as the name the system wants, then you should
> have the problem solved Barry
> 
> 
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Re: Extremely puzzled

[Guy Abandon.]

I shall have to look very closely, but I'm sure there's means to remap
the keyboard and still work with Speakup, I found it on the Slackware
9 distro CD somewhere.  I need a UK keyboard though haven't done it
yet or I could be more specific.

GA!

I'm sure it's provided somewhere.