Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Janina Sajka]

The ncx file. It's the DAISY table of contents, as it were. It has all
the pointers to where everything in the book is. It sands for
"Navigation Control X."

Ann Parsons writes:
> From: Ann Parsons <akp@eznet.net>
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I don't even know which file to tell Open Book to read if I were to
> download a Bookshare file.
> 
> Ann P.
> 
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Thanks, Janina.

Ann P.

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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Christopher Moore]

I think Ann had the best approach for reading bookshare stuff in linux:
download the brf versions and back-translate using nfbtrans. You could then
use the split command to divide the result into chunks of say 2000 lines.  

I'm actually grateful for bookshare because they have provided many books
much soner than NLS.  So I'm in no hurry to jump on the bookshare bashing
bandwagon.  What I do find puzzling is that the supplied windows version of
Victor reader doesn't recognize oreilly books.  However, you can read the
.xml files with ie, if you're in windows.  Next time I'm in windows, and
who knows when that might be, I'll make an atempt to same an oreilly .xml
file into txt format.  The trick of how to do this in emacs was mentioned
but I don't recall any specifics.  

Happy reading!
Chris

Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Christopher, the point of the discussion is that although Bookshare is
a good service, and it is worth the money IMO, it should be accessible
to all its members.  It should not be using a form of DAISY books that
is non-standard.  It should have a reader for Linux.  It should try
harder to work with its members to optimize its service.  There is
nothing wrong with good, constructive criticism.  We aren't bashing
Bookshare, we're pointing out some flaws in its system that need to be
corrected.  Criticism doesn't necessarily mean being against
something.  Just as voicing one's opinion about what the government is
doing doesn't mean someone is against his government, so making public
noises about the problems with bookshare only means that those of us
who use the service see room for improvement.  Christopher, nothing is
perfect except God.  Only He needs no improvement.

Ann P.

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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Steve Holmes]

Well, like I said before, the O'Reily are not in BRF format; DAISY is
the only way.  We can extract the files from the archive with unpack
utility and specify -html to get an HTML version of the book.  Then
use lynx to save it out as a txt file; you could do that with the
print command or possibly use -dump command line option.  I'm just
saying that this HTML and of course, the plain text file has no
navigation features.  You just end up with this *HUGE* stream of text
- a real pain for reference material.  This might not be a problem
withnovils and such.

Oh, as for emacs, the specifics on bookmarking is to do a c-x r m to
add the mark, c-x r l to list existing bookmarks.  The info
documentation under registers within emacs explains this in full
detail.  I got back into the emacs mood this weekend and got back up
to speed on this bookmarks stuff - just as fast and exciting as before:).

On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 12:24:41PM -0400, Christopher Moore wrote:
> I think Ann had the best approach for reading bookshare stuff in linux:
> download the brf versions and back-translate using nfbtrans. You could then
> use the split command to divide the result into chunks of say 2000 lines.  
> 
> I'm actually grateful for bookshare because they have provided many books
> much soner than NLS.  So I'm in no hurry to jump on the bookshare bashing
> bandwagon.  What I do find puzzling is that the supplied windows version of
> Victor reader doesn't recognize oreilly books.  However, you can read the
> .xml files with ie, if you're in windows.  Next time I'm in windows, and
> who knows when that might be, I'll make an atempt to same an oreilly .xml
> file into txt format.  The trick of how to do this in emacs was mentioned
> but I don't recall any specifics.  

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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Toby Fisher]

Sorry, I'm behind with my email and have just found this:

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, John covici wrote:

> When I unpack something from bookshare (at least an o'reilly book I
> tried), I get several files, including a ncx and xml files which have
> all the navigation information one could wish -- but I don't know of
> a program to properly read it.

Well, one option, if nothing else comes along in the meantime, is to wait 
till Mozilla is accessible through Gnopernicus as I'm sure that can handle 
.xml files.
Alternatively, there must be Perl modules for parsing xml, so it should be 
possible to use them and translate it into something else, and then, of 
course, there's always OpenOffice.

Cheers.

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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

I don't even know which file to tell Open Book to read if I were to
download a Bookshare file.

Ann P.

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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Janina Sajka]

But John, that's the definition of a DAISY player.


John covici writes:
> From: John covici <covici@ccs.covici.com>
> 
> When I unpack something from bookshare (at least an o'reilly book I
> tried), I get several files, including a ncx and xml files which have
> all the navigation information one could wish -- but I don't know of
> a program to properly read it.
> 
> on Saturday 08/09/2003 Steve Holmes(steve@holmesgrown.com) wrote
>  > On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 11:03:18AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
>  > > Hi all,
>  > > 
>  > > Steve, make sure you mention you're using Linux.    If this is the
>  > > case, then they really do need to clean up their act here.  This is
>  > > unpardonable! 
>  > Actually, I did; I didn't make a *BIG* deal about it but mentioned
>  > being a linux user and referred to the lynx browser and the like.  I
>  > also mentioned my consideration for possibly developing a DAISY reader
>  > for linux.  
>  > 
>  > Actually, I wouldn't mind just dumping the book into HTML from the
>  > Export utility but currently, the resulting HTML is nothing more than
>  > a big *LONG* text file with no navigation.  If I could navigate
>  > between chapters and sections and from the table of contents and
>  > index, I wouldn't be all that concerned about DAISY at this moment but...
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Steve Holmes]

Yes, I've seen those files too but really couldn't figure what to do
with them either.  I wonder how hard it would be to parse the index
file (NCX) with some kind of perl script and somehow reinstate an HTML
file with restored hyper links.  Might be easier than developing a new
DAISY reader from scratch:).

On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 11:38:08AM -0400, John covici wrote:
> When I unpack something from bookshare (at least an o'reilly book I
> tried), I get several files, including a ncx and xml files which have
> all the navigation information one could wish -- but I don't know of
> a program to properly read it.
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[John covici]

When I unpack something from bookshare (at least an o'reilly book I
tried), I get several files, including a ncx and xml files which have
all the navigation information one could wish -- but I don't know of
a program to properly read it.

on Saturday 08/09/2003 Steve Holmes(steve@holmesgrown.com) wrote
 > On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 11:03:18AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
 > > Hi all,
 > > 
 > > Steve, make sure you mention you're using Linux.    If this is the
 > > case, then they really do need to clean up their act here.  This is
 > > unpardonable! 
 > Actually, I did; I didn't make a *BIG* deal about it but mentioned
 > being a linux user and referred to the lynx browser and the like.  I
 > also mentioned my consideration for possibly developing a DAISY reader
 > for linux.  
 > 
 > Actually, I wouldn't mind just dumping the book into HTML from the
 > Export utility but currently, the resulting HTML is nothing more than
 > a big *LONG* text file with no navigation.  If I could navigate
 > between chapters and sections and from the table of contents and
 > index, I wouldn't be all that concerned about DAISY at this moment but...
 > -- 
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[John covici]

In fact it looks like they have a tag every paragraph, but how to
read such a think, I don't know.  I delete the tags and use emacs to
keep my place and be done with it, but if there is a better way,
please let me know.

on Saturday 08/09/2003 Steve Holmes(steve@holmesgrown.com) wrote
 > You mention the O'Reily books and their marked up text.  When I used
 > to use the online Safari service from O'Reily Associates, I really
 > enjoyed the ability to navigate between chapters, sections, and the
 > like.  I had hoped at the very least the conversion to HTML with the
 > -html option of the bookshare export utility would have preserved
 > chapter and section tags.  It is surely a step backwards from the
 > Safari setup.  I think I will get something off to bookshare today!
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Steve Holmes]

On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 11:03:18AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Steve, make sure you mention you're using Linux.    If this is the
> case, then they really do need to clean up their act here.  This is
> unpardonable! 
Actually, I did; I didn't make a *BIG* deal about it but mentioned
being a linux user and referred to the lynx browser and the like.  I
also mentioned my consideration for possibly developing a DAISY reader
for linux.  

Actually, I wouldn't mind just dumping the book into HTML from the
Export utility but currently, the resulting HTML is nothing more than
a big *LONG* text file with no navigation.  If I could navigate
between chapters and sections and from the table of contents and
index, I wouldn't be all that concerned about DAISY at this moment but...
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Steve Holmes]

I just got through sending my complaint to support@bookshare.org.  If
there is a better place to send it, just let me know and I can get
mutt to pull up my original and resend it.  I feel pretty good about
what I said.

Hey, good point about us paying for it; one good example of "getting
what we pay for." Sometimes its good to have to pay for some things,
lot easier to complain that way:).  Really, paying for a service does
entitle one the right to advicacy around such service.

On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 10:59:38AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, Janina, if this is the case, then they need to know about it.
> If they aren't converting their titles properly, then why are we
> paying $50 per year?  
> 
> Ann P.

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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Steve, make sure you mention you're using Linux.    If this is the
case, then they really do need to clean up their act here.  This is
unpardonable! 

Ann P.

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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Well, Janina, if this is the case, then they need to know about it.
If they aren't converting their titles properly, then why are we
paying $50 per year?  

Ann P.

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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Steve Holmes]

You mention the O'Reily books and their marked up text.  When I used
to use the online Safari service from O'Reily Associates, I really
enjoyed the ability to navigate between chapters, sections, and the
like.  I had hoped at the very least the conversion to HTML with the
-html option of the bookshare export utility would have preserved
chapter and section tags.  It is surely a step backwards from the
Safari setup.  I think I will get something off to bookshare today!
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Janina Sajka]

I think BookShare's O'Reily titles are worthy of complaint. I intend to
let them know of my strong disappointment with how they're treating
these. Let me explain why briefly, because I think several of us making
the same complaint would get some good changes made.

Of course this won't help us get a Linux DAISY reader, but it will give
us more appropriately tagged content once such a reader is made
available.

When BookShare first announced support for DAISY, they were thinking
they could take uploaded content from individuals like you and I and
wrap it up in a few useful DAISY tags. That means canned content. This
kind of content doesn't usually provide chapter and section navigation,
as DAISY tagging supports. It's all visual marking--therefore the page
and paragraph stuff we now see from BookShare.

The O'Reily files are different, as I understand it. They're marked up
at the chapter and section level, and more.

Therefore, applying the same transformations to O'Reily as BookShare
applies to uploaded content from scanners is inappropriate. Moreover, it
is a disservice to us, it's customers.

BookShare needs to develop an appropriate set of XSLT transform scripts
to more appropriately render the O'Reily titles in DAISY 3.0.

While not a trivial task, I don't believe this is a very dificult task.
My guess is a couple of weeks of someone's time.

I believe this needs to be a BookShare priority. And, when they have
these scripts, they need to re-issue all their O'Reily titles with the
superior markup these scripts will produce.

Steve Holmes writes:
> From: Steve Holmes <steve@holmesgrown.com>
> 
> Some of the books such as the O'Reily ones are only in DAISY and not
> anything else.  Hence the need for parsing the XML or whatever.  I
> know little or nothing much about DAISY right now except for some of
> the navigation aspects.  It was mentioned in another message that
> bookshare was mainly concerned about page navigation; not sure if that
> meant only between pages or what.  I would especially find chapter and
> section navigation as well as jumping off from a table of contents to
> be of great importance.
> 
> DAISY reader for linux? <hmmm> that could be an interesting project.
> I'm really not qualified to go and write another web browser but
> parsing the XML code to something meaningful perhaps?  Gee, even if I
> could translate into navigable HTML document for starters would be
> better than what we have right now.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> > 
> > The booksshare books are either in DAISY or in BRF files.  I haven't
> > tried the DAISY stuff, but Raman's made noises about a DAISY reader
> > for Emacspeak.  I think you can read the xml files from the DAISY
> > books.  I haven't tried that.  I just download the BRF files and back
> > translate 'em with NFBtrans.
> > 
> > Ann P.
> > 
> > -- 
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Steve Holmes]

Some of the books such as the O'Reily ones are only in DAISY and not
anything else.  Hence the need for parsing the XML or whatever.  I
know little or nothing much about DAISY right now except for some of
the navigation aspects.  It was mentioned in another message that
bookshare was mainly concerned about page navigation; not sure if that
meant only between pages or what.  I would especially find chapter and
section navigation as well as jumping off from a table of contents to
be of great importance.

DAISY reader for linux? <hmmm> that could be an interesting project.
I'm really not qualified to go and write another web browser but
parsing the XML code to something meaningful perhaps?  Gee, even if I
could translate into navigable HTML document for starters would be
better than what we have right now.

On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> 
> The booksshare books are either in DAISY or in BRF files.  I haven't
> tried the DAISY stuff, but Raman's made noises about a DAISY reader
> for Emacspeak.  I think you can read the xml files from the DAISY
> books.  I haven't tried that.  I just download the BRF files and back
> translate 'em with NFBtrans.
> 
> Ann P.
> 
> -- 
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> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Yeh, Janina, I don't know anything about Raman's DAISY stuff, only
that he claims it is supposed to work.  ????? 

Ann P.

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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Well, I wish *somebody* would do this.  I'm not a techie, but if we're
going to be having DAISY books in future, and more and more of 'em, we
need a utility in Linux that will parse xml properly and read books
and magazines and so on.

Ann P.

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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Janina Sajka]

I am quite disappointed by the DAISY files at BookShare. To me they
don't exactly look like what I think of as DAISY. For example, page
navigation is one of the least important navigational structures in
DAISY, but it seems to be the most important one in the BookShare files.

I am also not sure that Raman's claims for DAISY support in Emacspeak
are particularly defendable. Notice that he created his code before
there was any content to test with. So, Raman's DAISY support is Raman's
idea of what DAISY is based on whatever he based it on. That part I
don't know.

Ann Parsons writes:
> From: Ann Parsons <akp@eznet.net>
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> The booksshare books are either in DAISY or in BRF files.  I haven't
> tried the DAISY stuff, but Raman's made noises about a DAISY reader
> for Emacspeak.  I think you can read the xml files from the DAISY
> books.  I haven't tried that.  I just download the BRF files and back
> translate 'em with NFBtrans.
> 
> Ann P.
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Charles Crawford]

I think readit and Jamal's TD would bne great in Linux.  I don't use emacs 
and so do not have access to the dired application.

-- Charlie.

Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Janina Sajka]

John covici writes:
uld you want to take the XML tags out of a DAISY file? That's like
taking all the sign posts off the street corners. Ugly.

Instead, learn what they're for, if you're developing reading
applications. They're extremely useful once you understand how to use
them, and lots of people will thank you for building an application that
uses them smartly.

To learn about all of this, though, you'll have to rtfm. The fm is
available at:

http://www.daisy.org

and

http://www.loc.gov/nls/z3986/


> From: John covici <covici@ccs.covici.com>
> 
> Emacs will do the saving of places without bookmarks at all, and then
> if speakup would do indexing or emacspeak, then a read to end feature
> would work.
> 
> And you can get rid of all the xml tags in a daisy .xml file with one
> emacs command.
> 
> on Friday 08/08/2003 Steve Holmes(steve@holmesgrown.com) wrote
>  > No one has the source code to readit for starters.  Several years ago,
>  > I started on a visual basic implementation of readit for windows.  It
>  > actually started coming a pretty long ways but... I then saw the light
>  > and came over to linux and more or less abbandoned windows development
>  > alltogether.  I never really felt that big a need for a readit program
>  > under linux but if there is that much interest, perhaps I'll look into
>  > doing something about it.  I think the biggest thing about readit was
>  > a continuous read-to-end feature and bookmarks - each for separate
>  > files.  It also had a directory/file manager but you can do that now
>  > with dired under emacs.  See, if I use dired and use bookmarks for
>  > emacs, I have just about everything readit had except for reading
>  > continuously and possibley some more advanced search capability.
>  > 
>  > What's this about reading DAISY for reading under linux? I just signed
>  > up for bookshare and All I'm aware of is having to dump the file into
>  > an HTML format with no navigable links.  For a guy who loves his hyper
>  > text, this doesn't work so well.
>  > 
>  > On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 06:33:43AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
>  > > Hi all,
>  > > 
>  > > What we need is a Readit for Linux!  We need something that will
>  > > scroll through a file, and stop when and where you tell it, and be
>  > > able to retrieve that place.  Now, if this is possible in DAISY books
>  > > which are supposed to work in Linux, then it ought to be possible to
>  > > code this.  I wish I were a programmer, then I would do it myself.  I
>  > > don't understand why Readit can't be ported to Linux! 
>  > > 
>  > > Ann P.
>  > > 
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Ann Parsons]

Hi Steve,

The booksshare books are either in DAISY or in BRF files.  I haven't
tried the DAISY stuff, but Raman's made noises about a DAISY reader
for Emacspeak.  I think you can read the xml files from the DAISY
books.  I haven't tried that.  I just download the BRF files and back
translate 'em with NFBtrans.

Ann P.

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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[John covici]

Emacs will do the saving of places without bookmarks at all, and then
if speakup would do indexing or emacspeak, then a read to end feature
would work.

And you can get rid of all the xml tags in a daisy .xml file with one
emacs command.

on Friday 08/08/2003 Steve Holmes(steve@holmesgrown.com) wrote
 > No one has the source code to readit for starters.  Several years ago,
 > I started on a visual basic implementation of readit for windows.  It
 > actually started coming a pretty long ways but... I then saw the light
 > and came over to linux and more or less abbandoned windows development
 > alltogether.  I never really felt that big a need for a readit program
 > under linux but if there is that much interest, perhaps I'll look into
 > doing something about it.  I think the biggest thing about readit was
 > a continuous read-to-end feature and bookmarks - each for separate
 > files.  It also had a directory/file manager but you can do that now
 > with dired under emacs.  See, if I use dired and use bookmarks for
 > emacs, I have just about everything readit had except for reading
 > continuously and possibley some more advanced search capability.
 > 
 > What's this about reading DAISY for reading under linux? I just signed
 > up for bookshare and All I'm aware of is having to dump the file into
 > an HTML format with no navigable links.  For a guy who loves his hyper
 > text, this doesn't work so well.
 > 
 > On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 06:33:43AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
 > > Hi all,
 > > 
 > > What we need is a Readit for Linux!  We need something that will
 > > scroll through a file, and stop when and where you tell it, and be
 > > able to retrieve that place.  Now, if this is possible in DAISY books
 > > which are supposed to work in Linux, then it ought to be possible to
 > > code this.  I wish I were a programmer, then I would do it myself.  I
 > > don't understand why Readit can't be ported to Linux! 
 > > 
 > > Ann P.
 > > 
 > > -- 
 > > 			Ann K. Parsons  
 > > email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
 > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
 > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
 > > 
 > > 
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Steve Holmes]

No one has the source code to readit for starters.  Several years ago,
I started on a visual basic implementation of readit for windows.  It
actually started coming a pretty long ways but... I then saw the light
and came over to linux and more or less abbandoned windows development
alltogether.  I never really felt that big a need for a readit program
under linux but if there is that much interest, perhaps I'll look into
doing something about it.  I think the biggest thing about readit was
a continuous read-to-end feature and bookmarks - each for separate
files.  It also had a directory/file manager but you can do that now
with dired under emacs.  See, if I use dired and use bookmarks for
emacs, I have just about everything readit had except for reading
continuously and possibley some more advanced search capability.

What's this about reading DAISY for reading under linux? I just signed
up for bookshare and All I'm aware of is having to dump the file into
an HTML format with no navigable links.  For a guy who loves his hyper
text, this doesn't work so well.

On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 06:33:43AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> What we need is a Readit for Linux!  We need something that will
> scroll through a file, and stop when and where you tell it, and be
> able to retrieve that place.  Now, if this is possible in DAISY books
> which are supposed to work in Linux, then it ought to be possible to
> code this.  I wish I were a programmer, then I would do it myself.  I
> don't understand why Readit can't be ported to Linux! 
> 
> Ann P.
> 
> -- 
> 			Ann K. Parsons  
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

What we need is a Readit for Linux!  We need something that will
scroll through a file, and stop when and where you tell it, and be
able to retrieve that place.  Now, if this is possible in DAISY books
which are supposed to work in Linux, then it ought to be possible to
code this.  I wish I were a programmer, then I would do it myself.  I
don't understand why Readit can't be ported to Linux! 

Ann P.

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			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Steve Holmes]

Hey that's an interesting one too.  I don't think I've ever seen that
option.  One thing about the bookmarks feature is you can have
multiple bookmarks for any given file and you wouldn't then need to
have the place saved when editing every file; there might be some
files you'd rather come back in at the top.  Thus the bookmarks thing
is probably more flexible but certainly the save option, below, is
another good option.

On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 03:02:38PM -0400, John Covici wrote:
> You don't need emacs bookmarks to do this  -- just in your .emacs
> file put
> (setq-default save-place t)
> and that should do it.  There is a way to do this in the customize
> buffers, but I can't remember it now.

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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[John Covici]

You don't need emacs bookmarks to do this  -- just in your .emacs
file put
(setq-default save-place t)
and that should do it.  There is a way to do this in the customize
buffers, but I can't remember it now.

on Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:11:44 -0700 Steve Holmes <steve@holmesgrown.com> wrote:

> You could look at using emacs and emacs has a whole section on
> bookmarks.  Unfortunately, I don't use it enought to have the commands
> committed to memory right now but you can bookmark right down to the
> character position.  Look in the info documentation for emacs under bookmarks.
>
> On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:16:42AM -0600, Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 4 3 2 3 1 1) wrote:
>> Hi all.  Just wondering what folks are using, if anything, to view a 
>> textfile, with book

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file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[ddunfee..]

One way to do it is using lynx.  It does not need a html file in order to
view files.  While in a file using lynx, one can load the text file in an
editor with the "e" key and add marks of one's choice and return to using
lynx as a viewer.  When wanting to resume, just search for the mark.
There are more complex versions of this approach but this is enough to
start using it.


Another similar approach is to use pilot, which has many of the features
readit has, including file manipulation and navigation.  It too allows
editing a file from the menu of files in a directory, setting marks as
above, and then using the search to return to them. It would be ideal if
someone duplicated the extreme functionality of readit in linux.
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Re: file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Steve Holmes]

You could look at using emacs and emacs has a whole section on
bookmarks.  Unfortunately, I don't use it enought to have the commands
committed to memory right now but you can bookmark right down to the
character position.  Look in the info documentation for emacs under bookmarks.

On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:16:42AM -0600, Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 4 3 2 3 1 1) wrote:
> Hi all.  Just wondering what folks are using, if anything, to view a 
> textfile, with bookmark capability.  Maybe something similar to our 
> faithful old dos program readit?  I was wanting to use less, and I see 
> where you can set marks in it, but I'm gathering there's no way to save 
> such marks upon file exit.  Am I overlooking anything out there?  Thanks.
> 
> 
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file viewing with bookmarks saving?

[Paul Migliorelli (+1 3 0 3 5 4 3 2 3 1 1)]

Hi all.  Just wondering what folks are using, if anything, to view a 
textfile, with bookmark capability.  Maybe something similar to our 
faithful old dos program readit?  I was wanting to use less, and I see 
where you can set marks in it, but I'm gathering there's no way to save 
such marks upon file exit.  Am I overlooking anything out there?  Thanks.