Re: announcement: Woody floppies released!

Re: announcement: Woody floppies released!

[igueths]

Hi all. The first thing I did was to format two floppy disks, and create a 
dos_fs on one of the disks. This disk would be the rescue disk. I then compiled 
a kernel with Cvs speakup, BLK_DEV_LOOP, BLK_DEV_RAM, and asorted filesystems. 
I then coppied the kernel to the dos-formatted floppy, as well as system.map, 
and syslinux.cfg. Before copying system.map though, I gzip -c -9 System.map > 
sys_map.gz. This was to save space on the disk. After copppying all the files, 
I did syslinux /dev/fd0. This created ldlinux.sys. Now to the root floppy. For 
that disk, it didn't require any modifications (this may change due to module 
problems). I took the bf24.bin from the official Woody distribution, 
decompressed it, and re-compressed with gzip -c -9 for maximum compression. I 
then dd if=bf24.bin of=/dev/fd0 to a blank floppy. After all this was done, I 
tested the setup. Everything seemed to work ok. I went through some of the 
installation steps, however the only part I dind't test was module 
installation. After all testing was completed, dd if=/dev/fd0 of=root.bin. 
> I'd be interested in the process you used to create the debian installers as 
> well.
> Last time I checked when trying to get the boot-floppies package I had trouble 
> getting the system to send it to me and even tried getting the src package for 
> it and building that so it wouldn't work.
> For handling the different kernels though what I did was go get the kernel 
> source tree from the debian site, untared the file, patcked it with speakup, 
> retared it and when the different images were being built the config files that 
> were used didn't have speakup in them so I was able to answer all the speakup 
> questions so this is how I came up with the kernel-image packages when I did the 
> installers for Potato some time ago.
> Then what I did was copy the generated .deb files in to place so that the 
> boot-floppies build process would extract the kernels out of those packages and 
> put the in to place in to the different install images.
> 
> Tommy
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Re: announcement: Woody floppies released!

[Steve Holmes]

Unfortunately, that is the big part.  It is there where the problems
begin.  Or at least, that's where trouble began for me when I was
messing with a Debian install.  Actually, the farthest I got was when
I tried configuring my network and it couldn't raise my network card
because it couldn't load any network modules due to the unresolved
modules problem.

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 04:58:21PM +0000, igueths@attbi.com wrote:
> Hi all. The first thing I did was to format two floppy disks, and create a 
> dos_fs on one of the disks. This disk would be the rescue disk. I then compiled 
> a kernel with Cvs speakup, BLK_DEV_LOOP, BLK_DEV_RAM, and asorted filesystems. 
> I then coppied the kernel to the dos-formatted floppy, as well as system.map, 
> and syslinux.cfg. Before copying system.map though, I gzip -c -9 System.map > 
> sys_map.gz. This was to save space on the disk. After copppying all the files, 
> I did syslinux /dev/fd0. This created ldlinux.sys. Now to the root floppy. For 
> that disk, it didn't require any modifications (this may change due to module 
> problems). I took the bf24.bin from the official Woody distribution, 
> decompressed it, and re-compressed with gzip -c -9 for maximum compression. I 
> then dd if=bf24.bin of=/dev/fd0 to a blank floppy. After all this was done, I 
> tested the setup. Everything seemed to work ok. I went through some of the 
> installation steps, however the only part I dind't test was module 
> installation. After all testing was completed, dd if=/dev/fd0 of=root.bin. 
> > I'd be interested in the process you used to create the debian installers as 
> > well.
> > Last time I checked when trying to get the boot-floppies package I had trouble 
> > getting the system to send it to me and even tried getting the src package for 
> > it and building that so it wouldn't work.
> > For handling the different kernels though what I did was go get the kernel 
> > source tree from the debian site, untared the file, patcked it with speakup, 
> > retared it and when the different images were being built the config files that 
> > were used didn't have speakup in them so I was able to answer all the speakup 
> > questions so this is how I came up with the kernel-image packages when I did the 
> > installers for Potato some time ago.
> > Then what I did was copy the generated .deb files in to place so that the 
> > boot-floppies build process would extract the kernels out of those packages and 
> > put the in to place in to the different install images.
> > 
> > Tommy
> > 
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Re: announcement: Woody floppies released!

[Steve Holmes]

Yes, I did.  I've since put slackware 8.1 on there and have a PHP
application using a database on there.  I might consider backing the
new apps up and blowing out the drive and trying it again.  But before
I do, I wanna be sure a solution of some kind has been identified by
someone concerning the modules deal.  You might have it licked by
compiling the kernel with the Debian environment.  I'm still thinking
one might have to build a kernel and use the exact same modules that
came from that compile to go into a "drivers" package for the new
Debian root disk/driver disk.

On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 05:31:51PM +0000, igueths@attbi.com wrote:
> Hi Steve. And I assume you have or had another machine to test the Debian 
> install on that wasn't your working machine? Bc my problem is that I don't have 
> another machine I can test the install on, and I don't want to damage or alter 
> my working system! If I had a second hd I would have done it. 
> > Unfortunately, that is the big part.  It is there where the problems
> > begin.  Or at least, that's where trouble began for me when I was
> > messing with a Debian install.  Actually, the farthest I got was when
> > I tried configuring my network and it couldn't raise my network card
> > because it couldn't load any network modules due to the unresolved
> > modules problem.
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 04:58:21PM +0000, igueths@attbi.com wrote:
> > > Hi all. The first thing I did was to format two floppy disks, and create a 
> > > dos_fs on one of the disks. This disk would be the rescue disk. I then 
> > compiled 
> > > a kernel with Cvs speakup, BLK_DEV_LOOP, BLK_DEV_RAM, and asorted filesystems. 
> > > I then coppied the kernel to the dos-formatted floppy, as well as system.map, 
> > > and syslinux.cfg. Before copying system.map though, I gzip -c -9 System.map > 
> > > sys_map.gz. This was to save space on the disk. After copppying all the files, 
> > > I did syslinux /dev/fd0. This created ldlinux.sys. Now to the root floppy. For 
> > > that disk, it didn't require any modifications (this may change due to module 
> > > problems). I took the bf24.bin from the official Woody distribution, 
> > > decompressed it, and re-compressed with gzip -c -9 for maximum compression. I 
> > > then dd if=bf24.bin of=/dev/fd0 to a blank floppy. After all this was done, I 
> > > tested the setup. Everything seemed to work ok. I went through some of the 
> > > installation steps, however the only part I dind't test was module 
> > > installation. After all testing was completed, dd if=/dev/fd0 of=root.bin. 
> > > > I'd be interested in the process you used to create the debian installers as 
> > > > well.
> > > > Last time I checked when trying to get the boot-floppies package I had 
> > trouble 
> > > > getting the system to send it to me and even tried getting the src package 
> > for 
> > > > it and building that so it wouldn't work.
> > > > For handling the different kernels though what I did was go get the kernel 
> > > > source tree from the debian site, untared the file, patcked it with speakup, 
> > > > retared it and when the different images were being built the config files 
> > that 
> > > > were used didn't have speakup in them so I was able to answer all the 
> > speakup 
> > > > questions so this is how I came up with the kernel-image packages when I did 
> > the 
> > > > installers for Potato some time ago.
> > > > Then what I did was copy the generated .deb files in to place so that the 
> > > > boot-floppies build process would extract the kernels out of those packages 
> > and 
> > > > put the in to place in to the different install images.
> > > > 
> > > > Tommy
> > > > 
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Re: announcement: Woody floppies released!

[igueths]

Hi Steve. And I assume you have or had another machine to test the Debian 
install on that wasn't your working machine? Bc my problem is that I don't have 
another machine I can test the install on, and I don't want to damage or alter 
my working system! If I had a second hd I would have done it. 
> Unfortunately, that is the big part.  It is there where the problems
> begin.  Or at least, that's where trouble began for me when I was
> messing with a Debian install.  Actually, the farthest I got was when
> I tried configuring my network and it couldn't raise my network card
> because it couldn't load any network modules due to the unresolved
> modules problem.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 04:58:21PM +0000, igueths@attbi.com wrote:
> > Hi all. The first thing I did was to format two floppy disks, and create a 
> > dos_fs on one of the disks. This disk would be the rescue disk. I then 
> compiled 
> > a kernel with Cvs speakup, BLK_DEV_LOOP, BLK_DEV_RAM, and asorted filesystems. 
> > I then coppied the kernel to the dos-formatted floppy, as well as system.map, 
> > and syslinux.cfg. Before copying system.map though, I gzip -c -9 System.map > 
> > sys_map.gz. This was to save space on the disk. After copppying all the files, 
> > I did syslinux /dev/fd0. This created ldlinux.sys. Now to the root floppy. For 
> > that disk, it didn't require any modifications (this may change due to module 
> > problems). I took the bf24.bin from the official Woody distribution, 
> > decompressed it, and re-compressed with gzip -c -9 for maximum compression. I 
> > then dd if=bf24.bin of=/dev/fd0 to a blank floppy. After all this was done, I 
> > tested the setup. Everything seemed to work ok. I went through some of the 
> > installation steps, however the only part I dind't test was module 
> > installation. After all testing was completed, dd if=/dev/fd0 of=root.bin. 
> > > I'd be interested in the process you used to create the debian installers as 
> > > well.
> > > Last time I checked when trying to get the boot-floppies package I had 
> trouble 
> > > getting the system to send it to me and even tried getting the src package 
> for 
> > > it and building that so it wouldn't work.
> > > For handling the different kernels though what I did was go get the kernel 
> > > source tree from the debian site, untared the file, patcked it with speakup, 
> > > retared it and when the different images were being built the config files 
> that 
> > > were used didn't have speakup in them so I was able to answer all the 
> speakup 
> > > questions so this is how I came up with the kernel-image packages when I did 
> the 
> > > installers for Potato some time ago.
> > > Then what I did was copy the generated .deb files in to place so that the 
> > > boot-floppies build process would extract the kernels out of those packages 
> and 
> > > put the in to place in to the different install images.
> > > 
> > > Tommy
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
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Re: announcement: Woody floppies released!

[igueths]

Hi Steve. Yes I do have a Debian system. 
> Can you share with us what you ended up doing to get it all happening?
> Did you work out the unresolved modules issues?  I forget if you had a
> Debian box already or not.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 04:29:06PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > Hi all. I have just uploaded Debian Woody (3.0R0) boot floppies to
> > linux-speakup.org. They're currently in /pub/incoming, however I believe
> > that will be changed rather soon. The rescue floppy includes a 2.4.18
> > kernel with Cvs Speakup. The root floppy includes modules from the bf24
> > image on the official Debian Cdrom. I am working on a full Iso distro, but
> > this is going to take some time yet. So I felt that I should release
> > floppies in the meantime for anyone who wants to start from the disks and
> > install the system from the official Cds. If anyone has problems or
> > feedback about the current images, feel free to mail me on-list or
> > privately. Enjoy!
> > 
> > May you code in the power of the source,
> > may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
> > throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.
> > 
> > 
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Re: announcement: Woody floppies released!

[Tommy Moore]

I'd be interested in the process you used to create the debian installers as well.
Last time I checked when trying to get the boot-floppies package I had trouble getting the system to send it to me and even tried getting the src package for it and building that so it wouldn't work.
For handling the different kernels though what I did was go get the kernel source tree from the debian site, untared the file, patcked it with speakup, retared it and when the different images were being built the config files that were used didn't have speakup in them so I was able to answer all the speakup questions so this is how I came up with the kernel-image packages when I did the installers for Potato some time ago.
Then what I did was copy the generated .deb files in to place so that the boot-floppies build process would extract the kernels out of those packages and put the in to place in to the different install images.

Tommy

Re: announcement: Woody floppies released!

[Steve Holmes]

Can you share with us what you ended up doing to get it all happening?
Did you work out the unresolved modules issues?  I forget if you had a
Debian box already or not.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 04:29:06PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote:
> Hi all. I have just uploaded Debian Woody (3.0R0) boot floppies to
> linux-speakup.org. They're currently in /pub/incoming, however I believe
> that will be changed rather soon. The rescue floppy includes a 2.4.18
> kernel with Cvs Speakup. The root floppy includes modules from the bf24
> image on the official Debian Cdrom. I am working on a full Iso distro, but
> this is going to take some time yet. So I felt that I should release
> floppies in the meantime for anyone who wants to start from the disks and
> install the system from the official Cds. If anyone has problems or
> feedback about the current images, feel free to mail me on-list or
> privately. Enjoy!
> 
> May you code in the power of the source,
> may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
> throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: announcement: Woody floppies released!

[igueths]

Hi Shaun. Well the kernel that is currently being used has no modules compiled 
with it (natively). I am actually not sure about whether or not the symbol 
problem exists, because I don't have a spare machine to fully test the 
installer on. Perhaps someone could test it and report on the findings? Also 
the /lib/modules/2.4.18bf24 has no module dependencies file. The original root 
disk i.e., 2.2.17 which had the potato debootstrap didn't even have a 
modules.dep file. So yes you will get modprobe errors while it looks for its 
dependencies, however it will be interesting to see whether or not the symbol 
problem surfaces. 
> How did you get around the problem of unresolved module symbols?
> On Tue,
> Nov 12, 2002 at 04:29:06PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > Hi all. I have just uploaded Debian Woody (3.0R0) boot floppies to
> > linux-speakup.org. They're currently in /pub/incoming, however I believe
> > that will be changed rather soon. The rescue floppy includes a 2.4.18
> > kernel with Cvs Speakup. The root floppy includes modules from the bf24
> > image on the official Debian Cdrom. I am working on a full Iso distro, but
> > this is going to take some time yet. So I felt that I should release
> > floppies in the meantime for anyone who wants to start from the disks and
> > install the system from the official Cds. If anyone has problems or
> > feedback about the current images, feel free to mail me on-list or
> > privately. Enjoy!
> > 
> > May you code in the power of the source,
> > may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
> > throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.
> > 
> > 
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> 
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>       b: What two computers engage in before they interface.
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Re: announcement: Woody floppies released!

[shaun_oliver]

How did you get around the problem of unresolved module symbols?
On Tue,
Nov 12, 2002 at 04:29:06PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote:
> Hi all. I have just uploaded Debian Woody (3.0R0) boot floppies to
> linux-speakup.org. They're currently in /pub/incoming, however I believe
> that will be changed rather soon. The rescue floppy includes a 2.4.18
> kernel with Cvs Speakup. The root floppy includes modules from the bf24
> image on the official Debian Cdrom. I am working on a full Iso distro, but
> this is going to take some time yet. So I felt that I should release
> floppies in the meantime for anyone who wants to start from the disks and
> install the system from the official Cds. If anyone has problems or
> feedback about the current images, feel free to mail me on-list or
> privately. Enjoy!
> 
> May you code in the power of the source,
> may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
> throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.
> 
> 
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      b: What two computers engage in before they interface.
      c: Ridiculous.

Re: announcement: Woody floppies released!

[Alex Snow]

Ok I'm probably going to be using those floppies in the near future.  If I
ever get my linux box back up, I may use debian.
Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm
sick of Winblows!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:29 PM
Subject: announcement: Woody floppies released!


> Hi all. I have just uploaded Debian Woody (3.0R0) boot floppies to
> linux-speakup.org. They're currently in /pub/incoming, however I believe
> that will be changed rather soon. The rescue floppy includes a 2.4.18
> kernel with Cvs Speakup. The root floppy includes modules from the bf24
> image on the official Debian Cdrom. I am working on a full Iso distro, but
> this is going to take some time yet. So I felt that I should release
> floppies in the meantime for anyone who wants to start from the disks and
> install the system from the official Cds. If anyone has problems or
> feedback about the current images, feel free to mail me on-list or
> privately. Enjoy!
>
> May you code in the power of the source,
> may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
> throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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announcement: Woody floppies released!

[Igor Gueths]

Hi all. I have just uploaded Debian Woody (3.0R0) boot floppies to
linux-speakup.org. They're currently in /pub/incoming, however I believe
that will be changed rather soon. The rescue floppy includes a 2.4.18
kernel with Cvs Speakup. The root floppy includes modules from the bf24
image on the official Debian Cdrom. I am working on a full Iso distro, but
this is going to take some time yet. So I felt that I should release
floppies in the meantime for anyone who wants to start from the disks and
install the system from the official Cds. If anyone has problems or
feedback about the current images, feel free to mail me on-list or
privately. Enjoy!

May you code in the power of the source,
may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.