Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

[igueths]

Hi Adam. Remove it from $prefix/alsa-0.9.0rc3/include. 
My configure was: ./configure --with-isapnp=yes --with-
moddir=/lib/modules/2.4.18/misc --with-oss=yes. 
> I think my configure was "./configure --with-sequencer=yes."  I tried
> "--with-alsapnp=no" as well and still the same.  I'll try removing the
> isapnp.h file and see what happens.  Which directory should I remove it
> from?  There is one in support and include/linux.
> 
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Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

[Igor Gueths]

Yes its the include/linux directory.

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> I think my configure was "./configure --with-sequencer=yes."  I tried
> "--with-alsapnp=no" as well and still the same.  I'll try removing the
> isapnp.h file and see what happens.  Which directory should I remove it
> from?  There is one in support and include/linux.
>
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Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

[Christopher Moore]

Check your kernel .config file.  Look in the
# Sound
section.  The only thing you shold have uncommented is:
CONFIG_SOUND=m

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Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

[igueths]

Hi Chuck. As I probably mentioned earlier, remove 
isapnp.h out of $prefix/alsa-0.9.0rc3/include. Then 
reconfigure and remake. 
> Hi Igor/Adam,
> 
> I left isapnp support out of my kernel when compiling it, and
> configured the alsa-drivers using --without-isapnp and
> --with-oss.
> 
> But my sound card is a PCI device, sblive.
> 
> Not sure what else I did this time that made it work okay.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:
> 
> > Oh one other thing. What did you include as configure cmdline?
> >
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> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Adam Myrow wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Adam. Did you try rc3? Or any of the 'rc' versions? Also, what modules
> > > > did you have loaded Did you have snd-mixer-oss loaded (if using rc3)?
> > >
> > > I tried RC3 and it never would compile.  I still have the errors from
> > > attempts to compile it.  If possible, I'd rather use a later version as I
> > > figure that it'll hopefully be less buggy.  Anyhow, here is a sample of
> > > the errors I was getting when trying to build the driver.
> > >
> > > About halfway down:
> > >
> > > pdplus.c:3032: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new 
> hw_info"
> > > pdplus.c:3082: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new 
> hw_info"
> > > pdplus.c:3107: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new 
> hw_info"
> > > pdplus.c:3136: warning: #warning "The S/PDIF setup code needs to be 
> rewritten."
> > > pdplus.c:3212: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new 
> hw_info"
> > >
> > > Some time later:
> > >
> > >                  from 
> /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/sound/driver.h:43,
> > >                  from ../alsa-kernel/core/hwdep.c:22,
> > >                  from hwdep.c:1:
> > > /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/linux/isapnp.h:334: warning: `struct
> > > isapnp_card_id' declared inside parameter list
> > > /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/linux/isapnp.h:334: warning: its
> > > scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what
> > > you want.
> > >
> > > This last error repeats over and over and finally, the build would bomb
> > > out with:
> > >
> > > sound.c:41: `snd_hack_usb_set_interface' undeclared here (not in a
> > > function)
> > > sound.c:41: initializer element is not constant
> > > sound.c:41: (near initialization for
> > > `__ksymtab_snd_hack_usb_set_interface.value')
> > > make[1]: *** [sound.o] Error 1
> > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/acore'
> > > make: *** [compile] Error 1
> > >
> > > Looking at this more closely, it may be choking on the fact that I don't
> > > have USB on this machine and thus don't include USB support in my kernel.
> > > any ideas?
> > >
> > >
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Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

I have no idea. You will not want to do it the way I did -- wipe
out your root partition and reinstall your OS!



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Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

[Adam Myrow]

I think my configure was "./configure --with-sequencer=yes."  I tried
"--with-alsapnp=no" as well and still the same.  I'll try removing the
isapnp.h file and see what happens.  Which directory should I remove it
from?  There is one in support and include/linux.

Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Igor/Adam,

I left isapnp support out of my kernel when compiling it, and
configured the alsa-drivers using --without-isapnp and
--with-oss.

But my sound card is a PCI device, sblive.

Not sure what else I did this time that made it work okay.


On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:

> Oh one other thing. What did you include as configure cmdline?
>
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> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Adam Myrow wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Adam. Did you try rc3? Or any of the 'rc' versions? Also, what modules
> > > did you have loaded Did you have snd-mixer-oss loaded (if using rc3)?
> >
> > I tried RC3 and it never would compile.  I still have the errors from
> > attempts to compile it.  If possible, I'd rather use a later version as I
> > figure that it'll hopefully be less buggy.  Anyhow, here is a sample of
> > the errors I was getting when trying to build the driver.
> >
> > About halfway down:
> >
> > pdplus.c:3032: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
> > pdplus.c:3082: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
> > pdplus.c:3107: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
> > pdplus.c:3136: warning: #warning "The S/PDIF setup code needs to be rewritten."
> > pdplus.c:3212: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
> >
> > Some time later:
> >
> >                  from /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/sound/driver.h:43,
> >                  from ../alsa-kernel/core/hwdep.c:22,
> >                  from hwdep.c:1:
> > /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/linux/isapnp.h:334: warning: `struct
> > isapnp_card_id' declared inside parameter list
> > /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/linux/isapnp.h:334: warning: its
> > scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what
> > you want.
> >
> > This last error repeats over and over and finally, the build would bomb
> > out with:
> >
> > sound.c:41: `snd_hack_usb_set_interface' undeclared here (not in a
> > function)
> > sound.c:41: initializer element is not constant
> > sound.c:41: (near initialization for
> > `__ksymtab_snd_hack_usb_set_interface.value')
> > make[1]: *** [sound.o] Error 1
> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/acore'
> > make: *** [compile] Error 1
> >
> > Looking at this more closely, it may be choking on the fact that I don't
> > have USB on this machine and thus don't include USB support in my kernel.
> > any ideas?
> >
> >
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Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

[Igor Gueths]

Oh one other thing. What did you include as configure cmdline?

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On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Adam Myrow wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:
>
> > Hi Adam. Did you try rc3? Or any of the 'rc' versions? Also, what modules
> > did you have loaded Did you have snd-mixer-oss loaded (if using rc3)?
>
> I tried RC3 and it never would compile.  I still have the errors from
> attempts to compile it.  If possible, I'd rather use a later version as I
> figure that it'll hopefully be less buggy.  Anyhow, here is a sample of
> the errors I was getting when trying to build the driver.
>
> About halfway down:
>
> pdplus.c:3032: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
> pdplus.c:3082: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
> pdplus.c:3107: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
> pdplus.c:3136: warning: #warning "The S/PDIF setup code needs to be rewritten."
> pdplus.c:3212: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
>
> Some time later:
>
>                  from /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/sound/driver.h:43,
>                  from ../alsa-kernel/core/hwdep.c:22,
>                  from hwdep.c:1:
> /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/linux/isapnp.h:334: warning: `struct
> isapnp_card_id' declared inside parameter list
> /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/linux/isapnp.h:334: warning: its
> scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what
> you want.
>
> This last error repeats over and over and finally, the build would bomb
> out with:
>
> sound.c:41: `snd_hack_usb_set_interface' undeclared here (not in a
> function)
> sound.c:41: initializer element is not constant
> sound.c:41: (near initialization for
> `__ksymtab_snd_hack_usb_set_interface.value')
> make[1]: *** [sound.o] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/acore'
> make: *** [compile] Error 1
>
> Looking at this more closely, it may be choking on the fact that I don't
> have USB on this machine and thus don't include USB support in my kernel.
> any ideas?
>
>
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Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

[Igor Gueths]

Hey Adam. Did you remove isapnp.h from the alsa include directory in rc3?
Aparently it was put in by accident. Or check out the latest cvs code.

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On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Adam Myrow wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:
>
> > Hi Adam. Did you try rc3? Or any of the 'rc' versions? Also, what modules
> > did you have loaded Did you have snd-mixer-oss loaded (if using rc3)?
>
> I tried RC3 and it never would compile.  I still have the errors from
> attempts to compile it.  If possible, I'd rather use a later version as I
> figure that it'll hopefully be less buggy.  Anyhow, here is a sample of
> the errors I was getting when trying to build the driver.
>
> About halfway down:
>
> pdplus.c:3032: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
> pdplus.c:3082: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
> pdplus.c:3107: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
> pdplus.c:3136: warning: #warning "The S/PDIF setup code needs to be rewritten."
> pdplus.c:3212: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
>
> Some time later:
>
>                  from /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/sound/driver.h:43,
>                  from ../alsa-kernel/core/hwdep.c:22,
>                  from hwdep.c:1:
> /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/linux/isapnp.h:334: warning: `struct
> isapnp_card_id' declared inside parameter list
> /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/linux/isapnp.h:334: warning: its
> scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what
> you want.
>
> This last error repeats over and over and finally, the build would bomb
> out with:
>
> sound.c:41: `snd_hack_usb_set_interface' undeclared here (not in a
> function)
> sound.c:41: initializer element is not constant
> sound.c:41: (near initialization for
> `__ksymtab_snd_hack_usb_set_interface.value')
> make[1]: *** [sound.o] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/acore'
> make: *** [compile] Error 1
>
> Looking at this more closely, it may be choking on the fact that I don't
> have USB on this machine and thus don't include USB support in my kernel.
> any ideas?
>
>
>
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Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

[Adam Myrow]

On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:

> Hi Adam. Did you try rc3? Or any of the 'rc' versions? Also, what modules
> did you have loaded Did you have snd-mixer-oss loaded (if using rc3)?

I tried RC3 and it never would compile.  I still have the errors from
attempts to compile it.  If possible, I'd rather use a later version as I
figure that it'll hopefully be less buggy.  Anyhow, here is a sample of
the errors I was getting when trying to build the driver.

About halfway down:

pdplus.c:3032: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
pdplus.c:3082: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
pdplus.c:3107: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"
pdplus.c:3136: warning: #warning "The S/PDIF setup code needs to be rewritten."
pdplus.c:3212: warning: #warning "This driver need to be ported to new hw_info"

Some time later:

                 from /usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/sound/driver.h:43,
                 from ../alsa-kernel/core/hwdep.c:22,
                 from hwdep.c:1:
/usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/linux/isapnp.h:334: warning: `struct
isapnp_card_id' declared inside parameter list
/usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/include/linux/isapnp.h:334: warning: its
scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what
you want.

This last error repeats over and over and finally, the build would bomb
out with:

sound.c:41: `snd_hack_usb_set_interface' undeclared here (not in a
function)
sound.c:41: initializer element is not constant
sound.c:41: (near initialization for
`__ksymtab_snd_hack_usb_set_interface.value')
make[1]: *** [sound.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc3/acore'
make: *** [compile] Error 1

Looking at this more closely, it may be choking on the fact that I don't
have USB on this machine and thus don't include USB support in my kernel.
any ideas?

Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Adam. Did you try rc3? Or any of the 'rc' versions? Also, what modules
did you have loaded Did you have snd-mixer-oss loaded (if using rc3)?

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On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Adam Myrow wrote:

> At 09:53 AM 10/16/02 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >Well, with the2.4 kernels you aren't supposed to have to use isapnp
> >tools.
>
> I wasn't.  I'm using the native ISAPNP support.  So far, Alsa has given
> extremely mixed results.  As I stated, I had to go back to beta 12.  Some
> sounds sound better than with the stock drivers and some have a loud pop or
> squeal at the end.  Next, the whole thing about muting all channels by
> default is absolutely insane.  I had my /etc/modules.conf set up to
> auto-load Alsa and after a short time, the modules unload and when they
> reload, everything is muted again.  I got around this by manually loading
> the modules in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules so that they stay in memory.  I'll
> probably leave it that way anyway as it's faster.  Anyway, all this has
> been a let down when it comes to Speak Freely.  I've tried both the stock
> 7.2 and the CVS version and had very unsatisfying results.  Both versions
> work fine in half duplex, but I may as well use the stock drivers if I have
> to use half duplex.  When trying full duplex, a person reported that I was
> sending dead carrier.  Further testing with an echo-back server reveals
> that what is happening is that I send out a long period of silence then
> audio.  Finally, it is as if the last packet gets held up until I close the
> connection.  When I kill sfspeaker, I will get a burst of sound like the
> last part of a word and then all sounds I play will play about half speed
> with a horrible clicking over the top.  It's like the old APH tape
> recorders that claimed to let you adjust the speed and keep the pitch
> sounding the same.  They produced a very similar sound.  In other words,
> Speak Freely is messing up Alsa.  I've tried every combination from the
> default flags to the -DLINUX_SMALL_BUFFER flag and removing the
> -DAUDIO_BLOCKING flag which produced noise instead.  With the stock driver,
> I could sort of get full duplex with the sflaunch front-end, but after a
> few minutes, incoming audio would start breaking up and get progressively
> worse until becoming unusable.  Sflaunch doesn't seem to work at all with
> Alsa most of the time.  Also, with the stock drivers, I got a log of
> recording overruns even when I wasn't talking.  The bottom line is I've
> never gotten satisfactory performance from the Unix/Linux version of Speak
> Freely.  I thought Alsa would be the solution, but I'm just about to go
> back to the stock driver and live with half duplex.  If anybody has
> actually gotten Speak Freely working with an AW64 in full duplex mode,
> regardless of what drivers they used, I'd like to hear about it!
>
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Re: recommended Alsa version for an AWE64?

[Adam Myrow]

At 09:53 AM 10/16/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>Well, with the2.4 kernels you aren't supposed to have to use isapnp
>tools.

I wasn't.  I'm using the native ISAPNP support.  So far, Alsa has given 
extremely mixed results.  As I stated, I had to go back to beta 12.  Some 
sounds sound better than with the stock drivers and some have a loud pop or 
squeal at the end.  Next, the whole thing about muting all channels by 
default is absolutely insane.  I had my /etc/modules.conf set up to 
auto-load Alsa and after a short time, the modules unload and when they 
reload, everything is muted again.  I got around this by manually loading 
the modules in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules so that they stay in memory.  I'll 
probably leave it that way anyway as it's faster.  Anyway, all this has 
been a let down when it comes to Speak Freely.  I've tried both the stock 
7.2 and the CVS version and had very unsatisfying results.  Both versions 
work fine in half duplex, but I may as well use the stock drivers if I have 
to use half duplex.  When trying full duplex, a person reported that I was 
sending dead carrier.  Further testing with an echo-back server reveals 
that what is happening is that I send out a long period of silence then 
audio.  Finally, it is as if the last packet gets held up until I close the 
connection.  When I kill sfspeaker, I will get a burst of sound like the 
last part of a word and then all sounds I play will play about half speed 
with a horrible clicking over the top.  It's like the old APH tape 
recorders that claimed to let you adjust the speed and keep the pitch 
sounding the same.  They produced a very similar sound.  In other words, 
Speak Freely is messing up Alsa.  I've tried every combination from the 
default flags to the -DLINUX_SMALL_BUFFER flag and removing the 
-DAUDIO_BLOCKING flag which produced noise instead.  With the stock driver, 
I could sort of get full duplex with the sflaunch front-end, but after a 
few minutes, incoming audio would start breaking up and get progressively 
worse until becoming unusable.  Sflaunch doesn't seem to work at all with 
Alsa most of the time.  Also, with the stock drivers, I got a log of 
recording overruns even when I wasn't talking.  The bottom line is I've 
never gotten satisfactory performance from the Unix/Linux version of Speak 
Freely.  I thought Alsa would be the solution, but I'm just about to go 
back to the stock driver and live with half duplex.  If anybody has 
actually gotten Speak Freely working with an AW64 in full duplex mode, 
regardless of what drivers they used, I'd like to hear about it!