Question regarding talking redhat install.

Question regarding talking redhat install.

[Aaron Howell]

Hi there,
I'm about to install RedHat for the first time with speech.
I've done multiple RedHat installs in the past with sighted assistance, so am pretty confident I'll be able to do the install ok.
I do have a question though, and that is,
If i already have standard RedHat 7.3 distribution cds,
Which (if any) of the modified cds do I need to complete the installation?
I ask because at work we're required to account for the bandwidth we use, so I'd prefer not to have to pull all 3 iso images if it turns out only disk 1, or 2, or something, is different to the standard RedHat install.
Or, alternatively, can i get away with using the standard RedHat cds, boot my system with the talking install disk,
then get the speakup modified kernel?
Any help you could provide would be much appreciated.
Other than the above question I think I'm ok at this stage.
Regards
Aaron

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Re: Question regarding talking redhat install.

[Buddy Brannan]

You should only need the first CD.

Alternatively, you should be able to download a boot disk (floppy)
image......quite a lot less bandwidth :)
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Re: Question regarding talking redhat install.

[jwantz]

Hi AAron,
The most effective way to get a talking install is to ftp to 
bumpy.braille.uwo.ca and cd to /pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.3/kernels and 
download the rpms for the talking kernel.

     Jim Wantz WB0TFK
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Aaron Howell 
wrote:

> Hi there,
> I'm about to install RedHat for the first time with speech.
> I've done multiple RedHat installs in the past with sighted assistance, so am pretty confident I'll be able to do the install ok.
> I do have a question though, and that is,
> If i already have standard RedHat 7.3 distribution cds,
> Which (if any) of the modified cds do I need to complete the installation?
> I ask because at work we're required to account for the bandwidth we use, so I'd prefer not to have to pull all 3 iso images if it turns out only disk 1, or 2, or something, is different to the standard RedHat install.
> Or, alternatively, can i get away with using the standard RedHat cds, boot my system with the talking install disk,
> then get the speakup modified kernel?
> Any help you could provide would be much appreciated.
> Other than the above question I think I'm ok at this stage.
> Regards
> Aaron
> 
> 

Re: Question regarding talking redhat install.

[Janina Sajka]

Buddy:

This is not correct for the Speakup Modofied Red Hat
Distribution. Three CD ROM images are required for the
installation. 

PS: You can certainly download only a floppy boot image in
order to use the stock Red Hat CD ROM set that you can buy from 
Red Hat or at many computer stores. hOWEVER, THERE ARE ISSUES
WITH THIS APPROACH WHICH OUR howto HAS BEGUN ADDRESSING. tHE
NEXT REVISION OF THE howto WILL ATTEMPT TO CLARIFY THIS
APPROACH. wE ARE MOST CERTAINLY AWARE THAT THREE cder IMAGES IS 
BURDENSOME TO MANY PEOPLE, AND WE'RE WORKING TO MAKE OUR howto
EXPLAIN THIS PROCESS AS WELL AS IT EXPLAINS INSTALLING FROM THE 
IMAGES ON THE sPEAKUP WEB SITE.
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Buddy Brannan
wrote:

> You should only need the first CD.
> 
> Alternatively, you should be able to download a boot disk (floppy)
> image......quite a lot less bandwidth :)
> 

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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

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Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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Re: Question regarding talking redhat install.

[Janina Sajka]

hI, aRON:

yES, YOU MOST CERTAINLY DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. dOWNLOAD THE
APPROPRIATE FLOPPY IMAGE FROM THE sPEAKUP WEB SITE. tHIS WILL
GIVE YOU A SPEAKING INSTALLATION. gO AHEAD AND USE YOUR STOCK rED
hAT 7.3 cd romS TO INSTALL vALHALLA. tHE INSTALLATION WILL TALK,
BUT YOU WILL NOT HAVE SPEECH WHEN YOU BOOT YOUR INSTALLED SYSTEM,
BECAUSE THE STOCK rED hAT cd romS DON'T INCLUDE THE KERNEL
PATCHED WITH sPEAKUP.

sO, YOU SHOULD ALSO OBTAIN THE APPROPRIATE KERNEL RPM, PROBABLY
IN ADVANCE. oNCE YOU'VE INSTALLED FROM THE STOCK rED hAT DISCS,
GO AHEAD AND BOOT AND LOGIN AS ROOT. THEN INSTALL YOUR sPEAKUP
mODIFIED KERNEL AS USUAL WITH RPM AND REBOOT.

yOU MAY ALSO NEED TO EDIT YOUR LILO.CONF BY HAND.


On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Aaron Howell wrote:

> Hi there,
> I'm about to install RedHat for the first time with speech.
> I've done multiple RedHat installs in the past with sighted assistance, so am pretty confident I'll be able to do the install ok.
> I do have a question though, and that is,
> If i already have standard RedHat 7.3 distribution cds,
> Which (if any) of the modified cds do I need to complete the installation?
> I ask because at work we're required to account for the bandwidth we use, so I'd prefer not to have to pull all 3 iso images if it turns out only disk 1, or 2, or something, is different to the standard RedHat install.
> Or, alternatively, can i get away with using the standard RedHat cds, boot my system with the talking install disk,
> then get the speakup modified kernel?
> Any help you could provide would be much appreciated.
> Other than the above question I think I'm ok at this stage.
> Regards
> Aaron
> 
> 

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Question regarding talking redhat install.

[Cecil H. Whitley]

Hi Aaron,

If you've got linux at work you can always do a rsync against Bills site.
That way you only pull the diffs between the cd's.
Cecil

Re: Question regarding talking redhat install.

[Aaron Howell]

The way I ended up doing it was to use the standard redhat cds, then to ftp the kernel with speakup pach once my new redhat system was up.
For my RHCE exam I'll have the kernel burnt to cdr, so all I have to do is wack in the cdr once the system boots, install the kernel, and reboot.
That way I didn't have to download any of the modified disks.
Just the speakup floppy to start the install.
I had no major dramas with this approach and now have a nicely working system.
I've also decided that the next install is going to be done by using fdisk to do the partitioning then just applying the mount points with disk druid,
owing to the fact that disk druid's interface is well... cumbersome to say the least with speech.
I know its fairly well documented but i still had troubles with things like not being able to make a partition use the maximum available space instead of manually entering a value and the like.
Oh well, I'm sure I'll get better at it astime goes on.
Regards
Aaron
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 02:35:30PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Buddy:
> 
> This is not correct for the Speakup Modofied Red Hat
> Distribution. Three CD ROM images are required for the
> installation. 
> 
> PS: You can certainly download only a floppy boot image in
> order to use the stock Red Hat CD ROM set that you can buy from 
> Red Hat or at many computer stores. hOWEVER, THERE ARE ISSUES
> WITH THIS APPROACH WHICH OUR howto HAS BEGUN ADDRESSING. tHE
> NEXT REVISION OF THE howto WILL ATTEMPT TO CLARIFY THIS
> APPROACH. wE ARE MOST CERTAINLY AWARE THAT THREE cder IMAGES IS 
> BURDENSOME TO MANY PEOPLE, AND WE'RE WORKING TO MAKE OUR howto
> EXPLAIN THIS PROCESS AS WELL AS IT EXPLAINS INSTALLING FROM THE 
> IMAGES ON THE sPEAKUP WEB SITE.
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Buddy Brannan
> wrote:
> 
> > You should only need the first CD.
> > 
> > Alternatively, you should be able to download a boot disk (floppy)
> > image......quite a lot less bandwidth :)
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Question regarding talking redhat install.

[Aaron Howell]

actually, thats one part of the install i disagree with (but its personal preference so it doesn't much matter).
I find Grub on the whole to be a better boot loader than Lilo.
You can do a lot more with it, e.g booting kernels from anywhere off your hard drive, searching the filesystem, etc,
as well as all the things that Lilo does.
I selected grub when i did the install, I was prompted for any kernel options i wanted (that's where I put in my speakup synth option),
and after I did the kernel install and rebooted, things came up talking nicely (which was what I expected).
If it was me, I'd be recommending users use grub, unless they wantt a talking boot prompt through making lilo use the serial port as a console (not sure if grub can do that or how).
Regards
Aaron
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 02:40:30PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> hI, aRON:
> 
> yES, YOU MOST CERTAINLY DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. dOWNLOAD THE
> APPROPRIATE FLOPPY IMAGE FROM THE sPEAKUP WEB SITE. tHIS WILL
> GIVE YOU A SPEAKING INSTALLATION. gO AHEAD AND USE YOUR STOCK rED
> hAT 7.3 cd romS TO INSTALL vALHALLA. tHE INSTALLATION WILL TALK,
> BUT YOU WILL NOT HAVE SPEECH WHEN YOU BOOT YOUR INSTALLED SYSTEM,
> BECAUSE THE STOCK rED hAT cd romS DON'T INCLUDE THE KERNEL
> PATCHED WITH sPEAKUP.
> 
> sO, YOU SHOULD ALSO OBTAIN THE APPROPRIATE KERNEL RPM, PROBABLY
> IN ADVANCE. oNCE YOU'VE INSTALLED FROM THE STOCK rED hAT DISCS,
> GO AHEAD AND BOOT AND LOGIN AS ROOT. THEN INSTALL YOUR sPEAKUP
> mODIFIED KERNEL AS USUAL WITH RPM AND REBOOT.
> 
> yOU MAY ALSO NEED TO EDIT YOUR LILO.CONF BY HAND.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Aaron Howell wrote:
> 
> > Hi there,
> > I'm about to install RedHat for the first time with speech.
> > I've done multiple RedHat installs in the past with sighted assistance, so am pretty confident I'll be able to do the install ok.
> > I do have a question though, and that is,
> > If i already have standard RedHat 7.3 distribution cds,
> > Which (if any) of the modified cds do I need to complete the installation?
> > I ask because at work we're required to account for the bandwidth we use, so I'd prefer not to have to pull all 3 iso images if it turns out only disk 1, or 2, or something, is different to the standard RedHat install.
> > Or, alternatively, can i get away with using the standard RedHat cds, boot my system with the talking install disk,
> > then get the speakup modified kernel?
> > Any help you could provide would be much appreciated.
> > Other than the above question I think I'm ok at this stage.
> > Regards
> > Aaron
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Question regarding talking redhat install.

[Janina Sajka]

Aaron:

I'm willing to be convinced regarding grub. Here are the problems
I have regarding it. Do you have good answers that I possibly
don't know yet?

1.)	How can you relibably know you're now interacting with
grub? Your email below mentions that the serial port prompt is
unavailable. How about support for the Ctrl-G beep available via
the message directive, usually pointing to /boot/boot.msg?
Anything like that? Anything in grub to beep your speaker? Or,
better still, play a cute little tune like System Commander
does??

2.)	How does one handle multiple boot options reliably? For
example, if you have multiple param options to pass to a kernel
so that you might load Speakup with the DEC Talk Express today,
and with the Litetalk tomorrow, how would you handle that with
grub? Of course, in lilo I've given each of these different
labels and different single-char aliases. How would you do this
with grub?




On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Aaron Howell
wrote:

> actually, thats one part of the install i disagree with (but its personal preference so it doesn't much matter).
> I find Grub on the whole to be a better boot loader than Lilo.
> You can do a lot more with it, e.g booting kernels from anywhere off your hard drive, searching the filesystem, etc,
> as well as all the things that Lilo does.
> I selected grub when i did the install, I was prompted for any kernel options i wanted (that's where I put in my speakup synth option),
> and after I did the kernel install and rebooted, things came up talking nicely (which was what I expected).
> If it was me, I'd be recommending users use grub, unless they wantt a talking boot prompt through making lilo use the serial port as a console (not sure if grub can do that or how).
> Regards
> Aaron
> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 02:40:30PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > hI, aRON:
> > 
> > yES, YOU MOST CERTAINLY DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. dOWNLOAD THE
> > APPROPRIATE FLOPPY IMAGE FROM THE sPEAKUP WEB SITE. tHIS WILL
> > GIVE YOU A SPEAKING INSTALLATION. gO AHEAD AND USE YOUR STOCK rED
> > hAT 7.3 cd romS TO INSTALL vALHALLA. tHE INSTALLATION WILL TALK,
> > BUT YOU WILL NOT HAVE SPEECH WHEN YOU BOOT YOUR INSTALLED SYSTEM,
> > BECAUSE THE STOCK rED hAT cd romS DON'T INCLUDE THE KERNEL
> > PATCHED WITH sPEAKUP.
> > 
> > sO, YOU SHOULD ALSO OBTAIN THE APPROPRIATE KERNEL RPM, PROBABLY
> > IN ADVANCE. oNCE YOU'VE INSTALLED FROM THE STOCK rED hAT DISCS,
> > GO AHEAD AND BOOT AND LOGIN AS ROOT. THEN INSTALL YOUR sPEAKUP
> > mODIFIED KERNEL AS USUAL WITH RPM AND REBOOT.
> > 
> > yOU MAY ALSO NEED TO EDIT YOUR LILO.CONF BY HAND.
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Aaron Howell wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi there,
> > > I'm about to install RedHat for the first time with speech.
> > > I've done multiple RedHat installs in the past with sighted assistance, so am pretty confident I'll be able to do the install ok.
> > > I do have a question though, and that is,
> > > If i already have standard RedHat 7.3 distribution cds,
> > > Which (if any) of the modified cds do I need to complete the installation?
> > > I ask because at work we're required to account for the bandwidth we use, so I'd prefer not to have to pull all 3 iso images if it turns out only disk 1, or 2, or something, is different to the standard RedHat install.
> > > Or, alternatively, can i get away with using the standard RedHat cds, boot my system with the talking install disk,
> > > then get the speakup modified kernel?
> > > Any help you could provide would be much appreciated.
> > > Other than the above question I think I'm ok at this stage.
> > > Regards
> > > Aaron
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 	
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org