More on mail

More on mail

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Many thanks for those who have helped me set up my mail on my linux box.

As you can see, I've managed to subscribe on the Speakup list from my
linux box.  I wondered if I could trouble you a little further and ask for
help on tweeking the system.  I'd like to automate the process and have an
inbox with my other mail folders in /home/Gena.

I've installed mutt but can't point to my mail files.  However, I'm going
to spend some time on the manual which is bound to give me some tips.  For
the time being, I'll use pine.

Could someone tell me how I can get pine to save an inbox with my other
mail files?  So that when I connect, fetchmail collects my mail and it is
stored on this machine in my inbox.

As root, can I run an automated script that makes a ppp connection and
fetches Gena's mail and then disconnects?  If so, how would I do this?

AH, Just has a message that pine couldn't open a temp file for the spell
checker.  Ummm do I need to reate one?  How do I tell pine about it?

Sorry for any typos.

Gena

Re: More on mail

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Georgina -
While you are tweaking things, you might want to fix your localtime
setting. On my Slackware installation there is a soft link from
/etc/localtime to the proper location under /usr/share/zoneinfo/...

In my case, it was created with this command (as root:

ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern /etc/localtime

but yours would have to point to the correct place for your own
location. Sorry I cannot help you with the other stuff...

Chuck


On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Georgina Joyce wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Many thanks for those who have helped me set up my mail on my linux box.
> 
> As you can see, I've managed to subscribe on the Speakup list from my
> linux box.  I wondered if I could trouble you a little further and ask for
> help on tweeking the system.  I'd like to automate the process and have an
> inbox with my other mail folders in /home/Gena.
> 
> I've installed mutt but can't point to my mail files.  However, I'm going
> to spend some time on the manual which is bound to give me some tips.  For
> the time being, I'll use pine.
> 
> Could someone tell me how I can get pine to save an inbox with my other
> mail files?  So that when I connect, fetchmail collects my mail and it is
> stored on this machine in my inbox.
> 
> As root, can I run an automated script that makes a ppp connection and
> fetches Gena's mail and then disconnects?  If so, how would I do this?
> 
> AH, Just has a message that pine couldn't open a temp file for the spell
> checker.  Ummm do I need to reate one?  How do I tell pine about it?
> 
> Sorry for any typos.
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (84% of Full)

Re: More on mail

[Geoff Shang]

Hi Gena:

The unix and linux convention is that mail goes in
/var/spool/mail/<username> (e.g. /var/spool/mail/gena).  It would probably
be possible to change this, but I'm sure you'd have to change several
program configs to do this and, unless you really want your inbox in
/home/gena and are prepared to track it all down, I'd just leave it as it
is.  Mail programs should be configured by default to look in that
location.  If they're not finding your mail however, then it is either not
arriving there or they're looking in the wrong place.

As for pine spell checking, it doesn't work initially because pine is
looking for /usr/bin/spell which is a standard unix program but is not
installed by default (on debian anyway).  If you're running debian, which I
think you are, you need to install the ispell package (which actually does
the spell checking, and then the spell package provides an interface that
looks like unix spell so that pine can actually use it.  So just install
ispell and spell and that should do the job nicely.

Geoff.

RE: More on mail

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Cheers, no I'm attempting to install Debian on another partition but for the
time being, I'm using Slackware 7.1.

I guess that I can't have something set up right as mutt, as you quite
rightly suggested, looked in /var/spool/mail/Gena but complained about it.

Next time I log into my Linux partition, I'll look along that route and see
what is there.

Having had a quick look at mutt, I'm not too sure which om the mail clients
I prefer to work with speakup.  I got the impression that most people liked
pine but I've had a few problems with it.  I'd like to try mutt and pine to
see which one I prefer.  I've got my folders in a single column but speakup
is echoing 2 folder names as I curser up and down my list.  Thus making it
very difficult to be clear about which one is selected.

Thanks for your help.
Gena

gena@visson.freeserve.co.uk g.joyce@uclan.ac.uk

http://www.visson.freeserve.co.uk

Mobile Telephone Number 07951 196268


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Geoff Shang
Sent: 05 February 2001 03:40
To: Speakup Mailing List
Subject: Re: More on mail


Hi Gena:

The unix and linux convention is that mail goes in
/var/spool/mail/<username> (e.g. /var/spool/mail/gena).  It would probably
be possible to change this, but I'm sure you'd have to change several
program configs to do this and, unless you really want your inbox in
/home/gena and are prepared to track it all down, I'd just leave it as it
is.  Mail programs should be configured by default to look in that
location.  If they're not finding your mail however, then it is either not
arriving there or they're looking in the wrong place.

As for pine spell checking, it doesn't work initially because pine is
looking for /usr/bin/spell which is a standard unix program but is not
installed by default (on debian anyway).  If you're running debian, which I
think you are, you need to install the ispell package (which actually does
the spell checking, and then the spell package provides an interface that
looks like unix spell so that pine can actually use it.  So just install
ispell and spell and that should do the job nicely.

Geoff.



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Re: More on mail

[Kirk Wood]

> The unix and linux convention is that mail goes in
> /var/spool/mail/<username> (e.g. /var/spool/mail/gena).  It would probably
> be possible to change this, but I'm sure you'd have to change several
> program configs to do this and, unless you really want your inbox in
> /home/gena and are prepared to track it all down, I'd just leave it as it
> is.  

One thing you might want to do (from the qmail install instructions) if ou
decide to move the mail into your home directory is set the permisions the
same as your "normal" mail spool file, and create a softlink to the new
location. This will prevent you from having to change all your configs.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.

RE: More on mail

[Kirk Wood]

You may be missing the spool file. Some programs manage to create the
file, while others complain and fail to create it if it is missing. If you
find that the file doesn't exist touch the file and then change its
ownership. You will want the owner to be the username and the group to be
mail. In order the commands are:
touch username
chown username.mail


=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.

RE: More on mail

[Geoff Shang]

Hi Gena:

There's probably ispell and spell packages for slackware 7.1, anyone know?

As far as the double folders are concerned, you're suffering from an
afliction most new speakup users suffer from initially, that being that
you're not yet used to speakup's lack of proper cursor tracking.  This is
being worked on.  In the meantime, you'll have to get used to hitting the
current line key (numpad 8) to figure out where you are.  This might sound
tedious, and I guess it is, but you'll get used to it, believe me.  The
keypad enter key will always route the reading cursor to the actual system
cursor if you ever get lost, a command I probably use to excess ... but at
least I don't get lost.

Geoff.

Re: More on mail

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Cheers, I've just looked and there isn't a file or folder called
Gena.  What do I have to do to get my mail brought on to my machine?  Do I
have to create a file called Gena or should have pine created one?

BTW:  Where was the option to change the character set to iso 8859 within
pine?

Regards

Gena
On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:

> > The unix and linux convention is that mail goes in
> > /var/spool/mail/<username> (e.g. /var/spool/mail/gena).  It would probably
> > be possible to change this, but I'm sure you'd have to change several
> > program configs to do this and, unless you really want your inbox in
> > /home/gena and are prepared to track it all down, I'd just leave it as it
> > is.  
> 
> One thing you might want to do (from the qmail install instructions) if ou
> decide to move the mail into your home directory is set the permisions the
> same as your "normal" mail spool file, and create a softlink to the new
> location. This will prevent you from having to change all your configs.
> 
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> 
> Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 

Re: More on mail

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Gina -
In the Pine setup/configure area you can use "w" to search for
"character-set" in lower case. change it to "iso-8859-1" and save the new
configuration.


My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (91% of Full)

RE: More on mail

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Cheers

Gena

gena@visson.freeserve.co.uk g.joyce@uclan.ac.uk

http://www.visson.freeserve.co.uk

Mobile Telephone Number 07951 196268
 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Charles Hallenbeck
Sent: 05 February 2001 19:21
To: Georgina Joyce
Cc: Speakup Mailing List
Subject: Re: More on mail


Gina -
In the Pine setup/configure area you can use "w" to search for
"character-set" in lower case. change it to "iso-8859-1" and save the new
configuration.


My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (91% of Full)


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Re: More on mail

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Cheers, done.

On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

> Gina -
> In the Pine setup/configure area you can use "w" to search for
> "character-set" in lower case. change it to "iso-8859-1" and save the new
> configuration.
> 
> 
> My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (91% of Full)
> 
> 

More on mail

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Many thanks for those who have helped me set up my mail on my linux box.

As you can see, I've managed to subscribe on the Speakup list from my
linux box.  I wondered if I could trouble you a little further and ask for
help on tweeking the system.  I'd like to automate the process and have an
inbox with my other mail folders in /home/Gena.

I've installed mutt but can't point to my mail files.  However, I'm going
to spend some time on the manual which is bound to give me some tips.  For
the time being, I'll use pine.

Could someone tell me how I can get pine to save an inbox with my other
mail files?  So that when I connect, fetchmail collects my mail and it is
stored on this machine in my inbox.

As root, can I run an automated script that makes a ppp connection and
fetches Gena's mail and then disconnects?  If so, how would I do this?

AH, Just has a message that pine couldn't open a temp file for the spell
checker.  Ummm do I need to reate one?  How do I tell pine about it?

Sorry for any typos.

Gena

Re: More on mail

[Kirk Wood]

There is a way to change the default character set in Pine. It is burried
in the Config section of setup. You may need to creat a file with your
username. Remember that file names are case sensitive. To create the file
go to the directory and run the following two commands:
touch username
chown username.mail username

Change every occurance of username to the correct username.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.

Re: More on mail

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

Hi all,

     Actually, it would be better for Gena to copy the file rather
than to link it.  That way, she'd have the correct timezone even when
the /usr filesystem wasn't mounted.  Just do: cp -p
/usr/share/zoneinfo/GB /etc/localtime
The GB is uppercase.



          HTH.
          Bill in Denver

On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Charles
Hallenbeck wrote:

> Georgina -
> While you are tweaking things, you might want to fix your localtime
> setting. On my Slackware installation there is a soft link from
> /etc/localtime to the proper location under /usr/share/zoneinfo/...
>
> In my case, it was created with this command (as root:
>
> ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern /etc/localtime
>
> but yours would have to point to the correct place for your own
> location. Sorry I cannot help you with the other stuff...
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Many thanks for those who have helped me set up my mail on my linux box.
> >
> > As you can see, I've managed to subscribe on the Speakup list from my
> > linux box.  I wondered if I could trouble you a little further and ask for
> > help on tweeking the system.  I'd like to automate the process and have an
> > inbox with my other mail folders in /home/Gena.
> >
> > I've installed mutt but can't point to my mail files.  However, I'm going
> > to spend some time on the manual which is bound to give me some tips.  For
> > the time being, I'll use pine.
> >
> > Could someone tell me how I can get pine to save an inbox with my other
> > mail files?  So that when I connect, fetchmail collects my mail and it is
> > stored on this machine in my inbox.
> >
> > As root, can I run an automated script that makes a ppp connection and
> > fetches Gena's mail and then disconnects?  If so, how would I do this?
> >
> > AH, Just has a message that pine couldn't open a temp file for the spell
> > checker.  Ummm do I need to reate one?  How do I tell pine about it?
> >
> > Sorry for any typos.
> >
> > Gena
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (84% of Full)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

RE: More on mail

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Does the GB refer to Great Britain, or do I need to change GB to Greenwich?


Gena

gena@visson.freeserve.co.uk g.joyce@uclan.ac.uk

http://www.visson.freeserve.co.uk

Mobile Telephone Number 07951 196268


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of William F. Acker
WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
Sent: 06 February 2001 21:14
To: Speakup Mailing List
Subject: Re: More on mail


Hi all,

     Actually, it would be better for Gena to copy the file rather
than to link it.  That way, she'd have the correct timezone even when
the /usr filesystem wasn't mounted.  Just do: cp -p
/usr/share/zoneinfo/GB /etc/localtime
The GB is uppercase.



          HTH.
          Bill in Denver

On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Charles
Hallenbeck wrote:

> Georgina -
> While you are tweaking things, you might want to fix your localtime
> setting. On my Slackware installation there is a soft link from
> /etc/localtime to the proper location under /usr/share/zoneinfo/...
>
> In my case, it was created with this command (as root:
>
> ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern /etc/localtime
>
> but yours would have to point to the correct place for your own
> location. Sorry I cannot help you with the other stuff...
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Many thanks for those who have helped me set up my mail on my linux box.
> >
> > As you can see, I've managed to subscribe on the Speakup list from my
> > linux box.  I wondered if I could trouble you a little further and ask
for
> > help on tweeking the system.  I'd like to automate the process and have
an
> > inbox with my other mail folders in /home/Gena.
> >
> > I've installed mutt but can't point to my mail files.  However, I'm
going
> > to spend some time on the manual which is bound to give me some tips.
For
> > the time being, I'll use pine.
> >
> > Could someone tell me how I can get pine to save an inbox with my other
> > mail files?  So that when I connect, fetchmail collects my mail and it
is
> > stored on this machine in my inbox.
> >
> > As root, can I run an automated script that makes a ppp connection and
> > fetches Gena's mail and then disconnects?  If so, how would I do this?
> >
> > AH, Just has a message that pine couldn't open a temp file for the spell
> > checker.  Ummm do I need to reate one?  How do I tell pine about it?
> >
> > Sorry for any typos.
> >
> > Gena
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (84% of Full)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


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RE: More on mail

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

Yes, it does.  GB is a better choice than GMT because if you have your
hardware clock set to GMT,  you'll automatically display the correct time
when Summertime comes round.



          Bill

On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Georgina Joyce wrote:

> Hi
>
> Does the GB refer to Great Britain, or do I need to change GB to Greenwich?
>
>
> Gena
>
> gena@visson.freeserve.co.uk g.joyce@uclan.ac.uk
>
> http://www.visson.freeserve.co.uk
>
> Mobile Telephone Number 07951 196268
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of William F. Acker
> WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
> Sent: 06 February 2001 21:14
> To: Speakup Mailing List
> Subject: Re: More on mail
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>      Actually, it would be better for Gena to copy the file rather
> than to link it.  That way, she'd have the correct timezone even when
> the /usr filesystem wasn't mounted.  Just do: cp -p
> /usr/share/zoneinfo/GB /etc/localtime
> The GB is uppercase.
>
>
>
>           HTH.
>           Bill in Denver
>
> On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Charles
> Hallenbeck wrote:
>
> > Georgina -
> > While you are tweaking things, you might want to fix your localtime
> > setting. On my Slackware installation there is a soft link from
> > /etc/localtime to the proper location under /usr/share/zoneinfo/...
> >
> > In my case, it was created with this command (as root:
> >
> > ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern /etc/localtime
> >
> > but yours would have to point to the correct place for your own
> > location. Sorry I cannot help you with the other stuff...
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Georgina Joyce wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Many thanks for those who have helped me set up my mail on my linux box.
> > >
> > > As you can see, I've managed to subscribe on the Speakup list from my
> > > linux box.  I wondered if I could trouble you a little further and ask
> for
> > > help on tweeking the system.  I'd like to automate the process and have
> an
> > > inbox with my other mail folders in /home/Gena.
> > >
> > > I've installed mutt but can't point to my mail files.  However, I'm
> going
> > > to spend some time on the manual which is bound to give me some tips.
> For
> > > the time being, I'll use pine.
> > >
> > > Could someone tell me how I can get pine to save an inbox with my other
> > > mail files?  So that when I connect, fetchmail collects my mail and it
> is
> > > stored on this machine in my inbox.
> > >
> > > As root, can I run an automated script that makes a ppp connection and
> > > fetches Gena's mail and then disconnects?  If so, how would I do this?
> > >
> > > AH, Just has a message that pine couldn't open a temp file for the spell
> > > checker.  Ummm do I need to reate one?  How do I tell pine about it?
> > >
> > > Sorry for any typos.
> > >
> > > Gena
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (84% of Full)
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: More on mail

[Frank Carmickle]

Gena!

It seems as though you should really spend some time with the pine
configuration menue.  This was the only way I could figure out how I
needed to setup pine to work the way I wanted.  

I also use procmail to sort my folders.  This will put your mail in a
folder in your home directory actually.  In my case there is a directory
called mail that has all of my different mailboxes.  

If you have any more questions do ask!

HTH
Frank


     Frank Carmickle
phone:     412 761-9568
email:     frankiec@dryrose.com

On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Georgina Joyce wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Many thanks for those who have helped me set up my mail on my linux box.
> 
> As you can see, I've managed to subscribe on the Speakup list from my
> linux box.  I wondered if I could trouble you a little further and ask for
> help on tweeking the system.  I'd like to automate the process and have an
> inbox with my other mail folders in /home/Gena.
> 
> I've installed mutt but can't point to my mail files.  However, I'm going
> to spend some time on the manual which is bound to give me some tips.  For
> the time being, I'll use pine.
> 
> Could someone tell me how I can get pine to save an inbox with my other
> mail files?  So that when I connect, fetchmail collects my mail and it is
> stored on this machine in my inbox.
> 
> As root, can I run an automated script that makes a ppp connection and
> fetches Gena's mail and then disconnects?  If so, how would I do this?
> 
> AH, Just has a message that pine couldn't open a temp file for the spell
> checker.  Ummm do I need to reate one?  How do I tell pine about it?
> 
> Sorry for any typos.
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

RE: More on mail

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Me too.

Gena

gena@visson.freeserve.co.uk g.joyce@uclan.ac.uk

http://www.visson.freeserve.co.uk

Mobile Telephone Number 07951 196268
 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Geoff Shang
Sent: 08 February 2001 05:28
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: More on mail


Hi:

hmmm.  I would have thought the mail file would have been created as part
of the user account creation process.  Perhpas try typing:

echo $MAIL

and see what it prints.  Note that linux is case sensitive.  Your user
account and home and mail files should have the same capitalisation.

Geoff.




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Re: More on mail

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

hmmm.  I would have thought the mail file would have been created as part
of the user account creation process.  Perhpas try typing:

echo $MAIL

and see what it prints.  Note that linux is case sensitive.  Your user
account and home and mail files should have the same capitalisation.

Geoff.