fake user agent

fake user agent

[Dave Hunt]

I'm playing with links (the chain), version 2.1pre7, and having
trouble getting the javascript support to work.  Javascript is
enabled, but, in many instances, it's not getting interpreted.
Example:  I have a site that has, instead of the usual submit button,
a drop-down list with an "onchange" attribute.  The function that is
called just does, essentially, a form submit.  The function isn't
getting called with this Links.  I notice that there's a "fake user
agent" parameter in the config file.  Should this be set to something
other than the empty string to make this work for real?  If yes, any
ideas?

Thanks,

-Dave

Re: fake user agent

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  It looks like the fake user agent helps with sights letting me in
but it doesn't seem to help with the javascript functions themselves.
I've posted a question on the links-list asking about theese kind of
problems.  Because they wrote there own javascript support, support for
theese functions will probably need to be added.

          Kenny
	  
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 11:40:53PM -0500, Dave Hunt wrote:
> I'm playing with links (the chain), version 2.1pre7, and having
> trouble getting the javascript support to work.  Javascript is
> enabled, but, in many instances, it's not getting interpreted.
> Example:  I have a site that has, instead of the usual submit button,
> a drop-down list with an "onchange" attribute.  The function that is
> called just does, essentially, a form submit.  The function isn't
> getting called with this Links.  I notice that there's a "fake user
> agent" parameter in the config file.  Should this be set to something
> other than the empty string to make this work for real?  If yes, any
> ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Dave
> 
> 
> 
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Re: fake user agent

[Janina Sajka]

I want to ask an unrelated question about links, since it seems you're reading the list:

Has there been any discussion regarding cursor tracking support for links? It would be very helpful, I think all would
agree.

Re: fake user agent

[Dave Hunt]

Have you tried turning on "block cursor"?  I think it's in the
"terminal options" menu.  It may help; haven't tried it myself.  Using
emacspeak and emacs "term mode, you can track the highlight.

-Dave
Janina Sajka writes:
 > Has there been any discussion regarding cursor tracking support for links? It would be very helpful, I think all would
 > agree.

Re: fake user agent

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  Cursor tracking in links does work.  You need to turn off block
cursor in settings terminal options.

          Kenny

On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:05:24PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> I want to ask an unrelated question about links, since it seems you're reading the list:
> 
> Has there been any discussion regarding cursor tracking support for links? It would be very helpful, I think all would
> agree.
> 
> 
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Re: fake user agent

[Cheryl Homiak]

Is this a links problem or a speakup problem or a combination, i wonder. because
I can cursor track in braille with links2.1; at least, the cursor moves to the
link I'm on.

Cheryl

Re: fake user agent

[Dave Hunt]

I have not yet tried links with speakup; only with yasr and emacs
terminal mode.  The cursor does move to the link or control I'm on,
and terminal mode tracks the highlight.  Now that I turned "show
tables" off, it's better.

-Dave

Re: fake user agent

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Links (the chain) tracks the cursor correctly with speech too in
its default settings.

On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> Is this a links problem or a speakup problem or a combination, i wonder. because
> I can cursor track in braille with links2.1; at least, the cursor moves to the
> link I'm on.
>
> Cheryl
>
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Re: fake user agent

[Janina Sajka]

I found that I had block-cursor checked. Per Kenny's instructions, I've
now unchecked it, but haven't yet tried any pages. Soon, and I'll
report.

The business of faking the user agent is an old and honorable trick in
the user-agent domain. There are far too many stupid sites that don't
want to display content to user agents who don't identify the way they
want. Bank of America, for example, recently displayed a page to me
saying that I should come back with a user agent that supports 128-bit
SSL.

Such tests are, of course, themselves fake. Were BofA actually testing
my browser's encryption, whuich can be done technologically, they'd know
my user agent significantly exceeds this minimal 128-bit threshold,
which happens to be the best that IE does these days. I'm at 192-bit,
thank you very much.

But, they're not testing encryption as their error message claims.
Rather, they're looking at the user agent declaration and jumping to
erronaeous conclusions--a dangerous and insecure practice on its own.

PS: I set my user agent to Mozilla-1.0.1 and got in.

Cheryl Homiak writes:
> From: Cheryl Homiak <chomiak@chartermi.net>
> 
> Is this a links problem or a speakup problem or a combination, i wonder. because
> I can cursor track in braille with links2.1; at least, the cursor moves to the
> link I'm on.
> 
> Cheryl
> 
> 
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: fake user agent

[Buddy Brannan]

Is there somewhere in the lynx.cfg that one sets the user agent, or
must it be done on the command line each time? (And what's the
syntax--I don't seem to have got it right yet)
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Re: fake user agent

[Janina Sajka]

Buddy Brannan writes:
> 
> Is there somewhere in the lynx.cfg that one sets the user agent, or
> must it be done on the command line each time? (And what's the
> syntax--I don't seem to have got it right yet)
> -- 
I usually do it on the fly with 'o' for options, and 'a' for agent. Lynx
warns that I'm telling a lie, which I certainly know, of course. But, it
does do it.

I have been doing Mozilla-1.0.1, but I don't think this is necessarily
right.

For more info, look at:

http://www.mozilla.org/build/user-agent-strings.html

and the current version of this Mozilla document at:

http://www.mozilla.org/build/revised-user-agent-strings.html

To see how Apache can be used to make decisions based on the user agent
declaration, look at:

http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mod_setenvif.html