* compiling linux kernel @ Tyler Littlefield ` Samuel Thibault ` luke 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Tyler Littlefield @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hello, menuconfig seems to be going rather well, I'm able to navigate with grml, *cheers* I've got a question though, I'm not totally sure what all I do and don't need in my kernel. Is there somewhere that would show a minimal kernel with other options? I don't want to use my kernel that came with deb because it's huge, and I think I might get some better performance if there wasn't so much there, in terms of everything being modules, etc. Thanks, ~~TheCreator~~ Visit TDS for quality software and website production http://tysdomain.com visit the piratecafe for programming related resources: http://piratecafe.net msn: tyler@tysdomain.com skype: st8amnd127 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel compiling linux kernel Tyler Littlefield @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Tyler Littlefield ` John Heim ` luke 1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Tyler Littlefield, le Thu 21 Aug 2008 12:19:07 -0600, a écrit : > I don't want to use my kernel that came with deb because it's huge, and I think I might get some better performance if there wasn't so much there, in terms of everything being modules, etc. There is _no_ performance loss in everything being a module. Really, there is little point in using one's own kernel nowadays (except applying patches). Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Tyler Littlefield ` Gregory Nowak ` John Heim 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Tyler Littlefield @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. ok, and assuming that I want to anyway. :) I understand how to install it, etc etc, and found a bit of info on each catigory. My question is, it was talking about the box being checked or not... how does speakup notice a "checked box?" or... does it. Thanks, ~~TheCreator~~ Visit TDS for quality software and website production http://tysdomain.com visit the piratecafe for programming related resources: http://piratecafe.net msn: tyler@tysdomain.com skype: st8amnd127 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Thibault" <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: compiling linux kernel Tyler Littlefield, le Thu 21 Aug 2008 12:19:07 -0600, a écrit : > I don't want to use my kernel that came with deb because it's huge, and I > think I might get some better performance if there wasn't so much there, > in terms of everything being modules, etc. There is _no_ performance loss in everything being a module. Really, there is little point in using one's own kernel nowadays (except applying patches). Samuel _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup __________ NOD32 3375 (20080821) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel ` Tyler Littlefield @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Tyler Littlefield 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:32:24PM -0600, Tyler Littlefield wrote: > My question is, it was talking about the box being checked or not... how > does speakup notice a "checked box?" or... does it. That depends on the application. If you're using lynx for example to view a web page, and there is a checked checkbox, you'll see a x next to that item. In the case of make menuconfig, if I remember correctly, an option configured as "y" has an asterisk (*) next to it, "m' if configured as a module, and is empty if not configured in. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkitt/4ACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyC5dwCfebigia/kTFpSRrv/cujaSyBP ivMAn0OsvkaElkxqJX/YdHOAR6bAOzyX =nyto -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Tyler Littlefield ` Tyler Spivey 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Tyler Littlefield @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. awesome. thanks... gonna see about rebuilding my kernel so I can get software speech on my other system. Thanks, ~~TheCreator~~ Visit TDS for quality software and website production http://tysdomain.com visit the piratecafe for programming related resources: http://piratecafe.net msn: tyler@tysdomain.com skype: st8amnd127 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: Re: compiling linux kernel > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:32:24PM -0600, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >> My question is, it was talking about the box being checked or not... how >> does speakup notice a "checked box?" or... does it. > > That depends on the application. If you're using lynx for example to > view a web page, and there is a checked checkbox, you'll see a x next > to that item. In the case of make menuconfig, if I remember correctly, > an option configured as "y" has an asterisk (*) next to it, "m' if > configured as a module, and is empty if not configured in. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkitt/4ACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyC5dwCfebigia/kTFpSRrv/cujaSyBP > ivMAn0OsvkaElkxqJX/YdHOAR6bAOzyX > =nyto > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > __________ NOD32 3375 (20080821) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel ` Tyler Littlefield @ ` Tyler Spivey ` Tyler Littlefield 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Tyler Spivey @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Here's a shot at answering some of your questions that didn't quite get answered earlier. In grml, some of the consoles bring up screen by default which has a status line, at least in the grml versions - hence the 0 ssh that it was trying to read. Just type exit or hit control d in the shell and it should exit the screen, then you can ssh as usual. Regarding menuconfig, you can hit caps lock + f5 to edit the some punctuation setting, hit star and space to enable the star to be spoken. Alternatively, caps + f9 through f12 control the reading punctuation and the screen punctuation - setting them to 3 should work (f9 and f11 decrease, f10 and f12 increase). maybe this will help a bit. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkitx9sACgkQTsjaYASMWKQzZgCeNoaypinUS3giaH1EUk9/wYrx LS0An3t6Krubu23GXwZ3gr13ndOU2mbq =oRXl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel ` Tyler Spivey @ ` Tyler Littlefield 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Tyler Littlefield @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hello, it does. thanks. I figured out the zed-sh, for some reason, it was tossing me to zsh... typing bash fixed it. Thanks, ~~TheCreator~~ Visit TDS for quality software and website production http://tysdomain.com visit the piratecafe for programming related resources: http://piratecafe.net msn: tyler@tysdomain.com skype: st8amnd127 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@pcdesk.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: Re: compiling linux kernel > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Here's a shot at answering some of your questions that didn't quite get > answered earlier. In grml, some of the consoles bring up screen by > default which has a status line, at least in the grml versions - hence > the 0 ssh that it was trying to read. Just type exit or hit control d in > the shell and it should exit the screen, then you can ssh as usual. > Regarding menuconfig, you can hit caps lock + f5 to edit the some > punctuation setting, hit star and space to enable the star to be spoken. > Alternatively, caps + f9 through f12 control the reading punctuation and > the screen punctuation - setting them to 3 should work (f9 and f11 > decrease, f10 and f12 increase). > maybe this will help a bit. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkitx9sACgkQTsjaYASMWKQzZgCeNoaypinUS3giaH1EUk9/wYrx > LS0An3t6Krubu23GXwZ3gr13ndOU2mbq > =oRXl > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > __________ NOD32 3375 (20080821) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel ` Samuel Thibault ` Tyler Littlefield @ ` John Heim ` Tyler Littlefield 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: John Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Thibault" <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: Re: compiling linux kernel Tyler Littlefield, le Thu 21 Aug 2008 12:19:07 -0600, a écrit : > I don't want to use my kernel that came with deb because it's huge, and I > think I might get some better performance if there wasn't so much there, > in terms of everything being modules, etc. There is _no_ performance loss in everything being a module. Really, there is little point in using one's own kernel nowadays (except applying patches). And bragging rights. Well, I suppose that would only work on the uninformed. If you tell someone in the know that you're using a custom kernel they might think you're a dope. When I was fairly new to linux, I ran into somebody at a party and the conversation turned to how we spent our spare time. I said I was trying to get up to speed on linux. This other guy said he was into linux too so I asked which distro. He said, "I make my own." At the time I was very impressed. But now I say, "What a waste of time." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel ` John Heim @ ` Tyler Littlefield 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Tyler Littlefield @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hmm, I just want the experience. There's some to be learned from tinkering with linux, and I'd like to do that; sure it does look cool too, but I just mainly want to learn how things work, how they don't work, etc. Thanks, ~~TheCreator~~ Visit TDS for quality software and website production http://tysdomain.com visit the piratecafe for programming related resources: http://piratecafe.net msn: tyler@tysdomain.com skype: st8amnd127 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: compiling linux kernel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Thibault" <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: Re: compiling linux kernel Tyler Littlefield, le Thu 21 Aug 2008 12:19:07 -0600, a écrit : > I don't want to use my kernel that came with deb because it's huge, and I > think I might get some better performance if there wasn't so much there, > in terms of everything being modules, etc. There is _no_ performance loss in everything being a module. Really, there is little point in using one's own kernel nowadays (except applying patches). And bragging rights. Well, I suppose that would only work on the uninformed. If you tell someone in the know that you're using a custom kernel they might think you're a dope. When I was fairly new to linux, I ran into somebody at a party and the conversation turned to how we spent our spare time. I said I was trying to get up to speed on linux. This other guy said he was into linux too so I asked which distro. He said, "I make my own." At the time I was very impressed. But now I say, "What a waste of time." _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup __________ NOD32 3380 (20080822) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel compiling linux kernel Tyler Littlefield ` Samuel Thibault @ ` luke ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: luke @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote: > menuconfig seems to be going rather well, I'm able to navigate with > grml, *cheers* I've got a question though, I'm not totally sure what all > I do and don't need in my kernel. Is there somewhere that would show a > minimal kernel with other options? Have you been looking at the help screens for the various options? If not, those can be accessed by typing, if I recall correctly, a questionmark while your cursor is on the option in question. Most of those are helpful in determining whether you need the functionality the option provides. However, a word of warning -- kernel compiling is not for the faint of heart: you really should know the specifications of the system you are compiling for. That said, if you aren't sure, and there is an option to modularize something, it's often okay to just do that to be safe. As long as you don't modularize anything you need to mount file systems and the like--A.K.A. things you would need to actually load the modules. Questions you should know the answers to: What buses do you have? Surely PCI, and USB at the least. Are you using SATA, PATA (Ultra ATA), SCSI, or something else to access your drives? What kind of networking do you need to configure for? What kind of processor do you have? Do you have more than 2 GB of physical RAM? Those are probably the most basic questions. lsmod, lshw, lspci, lsusb, and similar tools are your friend, to see the configuration of your current (working) system. Regards, Luke ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel ` luke @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Samuel Thibault ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 05:56:58PM -0400, luke wrote: > As long as you don't modularize anything you need to mount file systems > and the like--A.K.A. things you would need to actually load the modules. That used to be the case in the past, but I think it's ok nowadays to modularize everything from controllers, to file systems, if you're going to be using an initrd. I do stand to be corrected on that as always though. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkivVXsACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyCH3QCgoB1EidPNc3YSa1dsEEVDHD8Y hOEAnRTsQQXhgGq7oT1nmCWEPXuE7296 =KBfX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Samuel Thibault ` Georgina Joyce ` luke 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Gregory Nowak, le Fri 22 Aug 2008 17:10:35 -0700, a écrit : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 05:56:58PM -0400, luke wrote: > > As long as you don't modularize anything you need to mount file systems > > and the like--A.K.A. things you would need to actually load the modules. > > That used to be the case in the past, but I think it's ok nowadays to > modularize everything from controllers, to file systems, if you're > going to be using an initrd. I do stand to be corrected on that as > always though. It is completely correct. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel ` Gregory Nowak ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Georgina Joyce ` luke 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Georgina Joyce @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > That used to be the case in the past, but I think it's ok nowadays to > modularize everything from controllers, to file systems, if you're > going to be using an initrd. I do stand to be corrected on that as > always though. > No, you are correct. Infact, in a few cases it's the opersit. This Asus board using the NVidia GeForce 6100 chipset requires such controllers to be modulerised. Gena - -- -- Gena http://www.ready2golinux.com M0EBP ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: compiling linux kernel ` Gregory Nowak ` Samuel Thibault ` Georgina Joyce @ ` luke 2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: luke @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 05:56:58PM -0400, luke wrote: > > As long as you don't modularize anything you need to mount file systems > > and the like--A.K.A. things you would need to actually load the modules. > > That used to be the case in the past, but I think it's ok nowadays to > modularize everything from controllers, to file systems, if you're > going to be using an initrd. I do stand to be corrected on that as > always though. I was assuming that he was not using an initrd. For his first kernel compile, he probably doesn't need the potential headache, although yes: if he's using an initrd, he can modularize those things. Thanks for correcting that, as I'm a bit behind. Just a bit. Luke ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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