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[Anthony Creapeau]

How do I Migrate from windows to Linux?		I'm using Windows now but I
really want to move to a blind accessible version of Linux. I've downloaded
Knoppix_speakup and oralux but can not get knoppix to talk and do not want
to learn the complicated commands of oralux. How can I get knoppix to talk
and what version of ubuntu or debian will talk right from the start? I'd
really like to move to Linux but I've had no luck so far. I'd really
appreciate feedback.

Anthony Creapeau
Management Information Systems
Milwaukee School of Engineering
voice mail: (414 418-1599
email: creapeaa@msoe.edu

Re: your mail

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 05:44:16PM EST, Anthony Creapeau wrote:
> How do I Migrate from windows to Linux? I'm using Windows now but I 
> really want to move to a blind accessible version of Linux. 

Have you got a hardware speech synthesizer that can be connected via a 
serial port to your computer?

> I've downloaded Knoppix_speakup and oralux but can not get knoppix to 
> talk and do not want to learn the complicated commands of oralux.

WHat have you tried to do to get it going?

> How can I get knoppix to talk and what version of ubuntu or debian 
> will talk right from the start?

It depends on whether you have a hardware synthesizer, and whether you 
are willing to learn and possibly get help in getting things set up.

If you have a hardware speech synthesizer, you might be best off 
starting with Debian or Fedora, as there are CDs that can be downloaded 
that get you going with speech straight away. Ubuntu unfortunately 
doesn't offer a text installation that is spoken yet, but can be 
installed via GUI using the GNOME accessibility tools, although even 
that is still a bit fiddly.

> I'd really like to move to Linux but I've had no luck so far. I'd 
> really appreciate feedback.

The more info you give us, the better we can help you. So if you have 
any more info to add, as well as what has been asked previously in this 
email, that would be a great help to us.
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RE: your mail

[Anthony Creapeau]

Yes, I have a dectalk express.


Anthony Creapeau
Voice mail: (414) 418-1599
email: creapeaa@msoe.edu
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Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:29 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: your mail

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On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 05:44:16PM EST, Anthony Creapeau wrote:
> How do I Migrate from windows to Linux? I'm using Windows now but I
> really want to move to a blind accessible version of Linux.

Have you got a hardware speech synthesizer that can be connected via a
serial port to your computer?

> I've downloaded Knoppix_speakup and oralux but can not get knoppix to
> talk and do not want to learn the complicated commands of oralux.

WHat have you tried to do to get it going?

> How can I get knoppix to talk and what version of ubuntu or debian
> will talk right from the start?

It depends on whether you have a hardware synthesizer, and whether you are
willing to learn and possibly get help in getting things set up.

If you have a hardware speech synthesizer, you might be best off starting
with Debian or Fedora, as there are CDs that can be downloaded that get you
going with speech straight away. Ubuntu unfortunately doesn't offer a text
installation that is spoken yet, but can be installed via GUI using the
GNOME accessibility tools, although even that is still a bit fiddly.

> I'd really like to move to Linux but I've had no luck so far. I'd
> really appreciate feedback.

The more info you give us, the better we can help you. So if you have any
more info to add, as well as what has been asked previously in this email,
that would be a great help to us.
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Re: your mail

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 04:31:38PM EST, Anthony Creapeau wrote:
> Yes, I have a dectalk express.

And what did you do to try and get Knoppix going?
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RE: your mail

[Anthony Creapeau]

At the boot prompt I typed "knoppix speakup_synth=dectlk" , then I tried the
knoppix speakup_synth=spkout and I also just let the boot timer run out and
let knoppix boot using the defaults (no arguments). None of my attempts
worked.


Anthony Creapeau
Voice mail: (414) 418-1599
email: creapeaa@msoe.edu
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To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: your mail

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On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 04:31:38PM EST, Anthony Creapeau wrote:
> Yes, I have a dectalk express.

And what did you do to try and get Knoppix going?
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Re: your mail

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On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:03:10PM EST, Anthony Creapeau wrote:
> At the boot prompt I typed "knoppix speakup_synth=dectlk" , then I tried the
> knoppix speakup_synth=spkout and I also just let the boot timer run out and
> let knoppix boot using the defaults (no arguments). None of my attempts
> worked.

Do you happen to know whether the serial port being used is on the 
actual computer motherboard, and that is using standard port and irq 
settings?
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RE: your mail

[Anthony Creapeau]

I'm trying to get this running on a ThinkPad X60s which is currently resting
in a docking station on which the serial port is located. I've checked the
serial port settings and they are set to the standard defaults. 9600 bits
per second, 8 data bits, no parity, stop bits 1 and no flow control. The IRQ
is 04.



Anthony Creapeau
Voice mail: (414) 418-1599
email: creapeaa@msoe.edu
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Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:17 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: your mail

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On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:03:10PM EST, Anthony Creapeau wrote:
> At the boot prompt I typed "knoppix speakup_synth=dectlk" , then I
> tried the knoppix speakup_synth=spkout and I also just let the boot
> timer run out and let knoppix boot using the defaults (no arguments).
> None of my attempts worked.

Do you happen to know whether the serial port being used is on the actual
computer motherboard, and that is using standard port and irq settings?
- --
Luke Yelavich
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RE: your mail

[Michael Whapples]

I am unsure that speakup works with serial synths under such a
configuration, although I am not completely sure, may be someone who
knows for sure can say. I think this is due to speakup using its own
serial driver rather than the standard Linux driver. If there is
actually a serial port on the machine then you would do better
(possibly) using that, otherwise read on about the alternatives.

I personally would say for a laptop (particularly if you want it to be
mobile) would be to use software synthesis, ubuntu uses this by default
for orca, although any distro would allow you to use software speech
with speakup (although it might need setting up). This means that
distros with accessible install CDs/live-CDs are more limited. As I said
ubuntu is accessible with software speech (using Orca in gnome a GUI),
and I am lead to believe that GRML also has everything on the CD for
software speech (using speakup, text console). 

The question of text console or gnome (GUI) for someone new to linux
with windows experience is one you may wish to consider. Although Orca
may be still in fairly early stages, I feel it is worth considering, as
gnome will have similarities to windows for usage (some hotkeys may
differ from the windows equivilent, but concepts are very close), and
you will be using some software which is more main stream so more
compatable (firefox for a web browser, openoffice for office
applications, etc). Text consoles may be more well developed (as they
have been accessible for a long time), interaction may be quicker when
you are used to it, and suited better to the linear output of speech,
but you will find applications are less main stream, so compatability
may be less (web browser is lynx, elinks or links to name a few, but
sometimes websites can be awkward and want some specific things in web
browsers, and so not work correctly, so either you may find you use
different web browsers on different web sites, or in some very rare
cases it might not work at all (I have had that)).

If you really want to use the hardware synth, but have no serial port
which works with speakup, then you can try one of the screen readers
that run as a normal application so use standard linux drivers. For text
consoles there is YASR and screader. There is also emacspeak, but this
uses the emacs environment on linux and suspect this is what you were
referring to when you mentioned the commands for oralux. Also if you
install emacspeak, Orca can use emacspeak servers for output, so you
could use (possibly) your hardware synth with Orca.

Hope this helps,
Michael Whapples

On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 00:31 -0600, Anthony Creapeau wrote:
> I'm trying to get this running on a ThinkPad X60s which is currently resting
> in a docking station on which the serial port is located. I've checked the
> serial port settings and they are set to the standard defaults. 9600 bits
> per second, 8 data bits, no parity, stop bits 1 and no flow control. The IRQ
> is 04.
> 
> 
> 
> Anthony Creapeau
> Voice mail: (414) 418-1599
> email: creapeaa@msoe.edu
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Luke Yelavich
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:17 AM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: your mail
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> On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:03:10PM EST, Anthony Creapeau wrote:
> > At the boot prompt I typed "knoppix speakup_synth=dectlk" , then I
> > tried the knoppix speakup_synth=spkout and I also just let the boot
> > timer run out and let knoppix boot using the defaults (no arguments).
> > None of my attempts worked.
> 
> Do you happen to know whether the serial port being used is on the actual
> computer motherboard, and that is using standard port and irq settings?
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Re: Linux from windows

[Michael Whapples]

I think ubuntu would be a good way to go if you are used to windows at
the moment. The current release of ubuntu has everything you would need
for an independent accessible install. The latest release 6.10 edgy EFT
I mean, not the testing release 7.4 Feisty. There's information about
Orca the gnome screen reader (which ubuntu uses by default) at
http://live.gnome.org/Orca and there is information about accessible
installation as well. Note one problem which you may have is that your
sound card may not automatically be unmuted by the ubuntu CD (it might
be true for other distro CDs such as knoppix). Unless you have some
other way of accessing your computer (e.g. hardware synthesiser, braille
display, possibly serial terminal) you will need sighted assistance to
unmute the sound card.

You can normally have both linux and windows installed on the same
system, so you will be able to fall back to windows if there are tasks
that are too much at first. Ubuntu can sort out the disk for you so that
windows and linux work together, other distros may have there own tools,
but I don't know how automatic all of them are. If you are concerned
about it messing up your system there are ways to make the CD versions
of linux store settings on something like a usb drive, then your hard
disk will not be altered, I think there is information about this for
ubuntu in the documentation for it.

The above is assuming you are intending to use software speech
synthesis, if different then the difficulties you are having with
knoppix would be different, so different solutions are needed.

Hope this was of use,
Michael Whapples

On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 00:44 -0600, Anthony Creapeau wrote:
> How do I Migrate from windows to Linux?       I'm using Windows now but I
> really want to move to a blind accessible version of Linux. I've downloaded
> Knoppix_speakup and oralux but can not get knoppix to talk and do not want
> to learn the complicated commands of oralux. How can I get knoppix to talk
> and what version of ubuntu or debian will talk right from the start? I'd
> really like to move to Linux but I've had no luck so far. I'd really
> appreciate feedback.
> 
> Anthony Creapeau
> Management Information Systems
> Milwaukee School of Engineering
> voice mail: (414 418-1599
> email: creapeaa@msoe.edu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Linux from windows

[Glenn Ervin]

Anthony,
Go to the site:
http://www.ubuntu.com/
Download the desktop version, 9.10, even if you have a laptop, and burn the 
ISO image to a CD.
Then boot to this CD, and as soon as the disk stops spinning, do the 
following:
Press enter, it is on English
Press F5 for accessibility options
Press 3 for screenreader
Press enter one or two more times, and it should come up talking.
You will be running off of a CD, and you can explore Ubuntu.
HTH.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Linux from windows


I think ubuntu would be a good way to go if you are used to windows at
the moment. The current release of ubuntu has everything you would need
for an independent accessible install. The latest release 6.10 edgy EFT
I mean, not the testing release 7.4 Feisty. There's information about
Orca the gnome screen reader (which ubuntu uses by default) at
http://live.gnome.org/Orca and there is information about accessible
installation as well. Note one problem which you may have is that your
sound card may not automatically be unmuted by the ubuntu CD (it might
be true for other distro CDs such as knoppix). Unless you have some
other way of accessing your computer (e.g. hardware synthesiser, braille
display, possibly serial terminal) you will need sighted assistance to
unmute the sound card.

You can normally have both linux and windows installed on the same
system, so you will be able to fall back to windows if there are tasks
that are too much at first. Ubuntu can sort out the disk for you so that
windows and linux work together, other distros may have there own tools,
but I don't know how automatic all of them are. If you are concerned
about it messing up your system there are ways to make the CD versions
of linux store settings on something like a usb drive, then your hard
disk will not be altered, I think there is information about this for
ubuntu in the documentation for it.

The above is assuming you are intending to use software speech
synthesis, if different then the difficulties you are having with
knoppix would be different, so different solutions are needed.

Hope this was of use,
Michael Whapples

On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 00:44 -0600, Anthony Creapeau wrote:
> How do I Migrate from windows to Linux?       I'm using Windows now but I
> really want to move to a blind accessible version of Linux. I've 
> downloaded
> Knoppix_speakup and oralux but can not get knoppix to talk and do not want
> to learn the complicated commands of oralux. How can I get knoppix to talk
> and what version of ubuntu or debian will talk right from the start? I'd
> really like to move to Linux but I've had no luck so far. I'd really
> appreciate feedback.
>
> Anthony Creapeau
> Management Information Systems
> Milwaukee School of Engineering
> voice mail: (414 418-1599
> email: creapeaa@msoe.edu
>
>
>
>
>




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Re: Linux from windows

[Glenn Ervin]

oops,
I was at the wrong end of my inbox.
This obviously is an old message.
Glenn

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From: "Glenn Ervin" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Linux from windows


Anthony,
Go to the site:
http://www.ubuntu.com/
Download the desktop version, 9.10, even if you have a laptop, and burn the
ISO image to a CD.
Then boot to this CD, and as soon as the disk stops spinning, do the
following:
Press enter, it is on English
Press F5 for accessibility options
Press 3 for screenreader
Press enter one or two more times, and it should come up talking.
You will be running off of a CD, and you can explore Ubuntu.
HTH.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Linux from windows


I think ubuntu would be a good way to go if you are used to windows at
the moment. The current release of ubuntu has everything you would need
for an independent accessible install. The latest release 6.10 edgy EFT
I mean, not the testing release 7.4 Feisty. There's information about
Orca the gnome screen reader (which ubuntu uses by default) at
http://live.gnome.org/Orca and there is information about accessible
installation as well. Note one problem which you may have is that your
sound card may not automatically be unmuted by the ubuntu CD (it might
be true for other distro CDs such as knoppix). Unless you have some
other way of accessing your computer (e.g. hardware synthesiser, braille
display, possibly serial terminal) you will need sighted assistance to
unmute the sound card.

You can normally have both linux and windows installed on the same
system, so you will be able to fall back to windows if there are tasks
that are too much at first. Ubuntu can sort out the disk for you so that
windows and linux work together, other distros may have there own tools,
but I don't know how automatic all of them are. If you are concerned
about it messing up your system there are ways to make the CD versions
of linux store settings on something like a usb drive, then your hard
disk will not be altered, I think there is information about this for
ubuntu in the documentation for it.

The above is assuming you are intending to use software speech
synthesis, if different then the difficulties you are having with
knoppix would be different, so different solutions are needed.

Hope this was of use,
Michael Whapples

On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 00:44 -0600, Anthony Creapeau wrote:
> How do I Migrate from windows to Linux?       I'm using Windows now but I
> really want to move to a blind accessible version of Linux. I've
> downloaded
> Knoppix_speakup and oralux but can not get knoppix to talk and do not want
> to learn the complicated commands of oralux. How can I get knoppix to talk
> and what version of ubuntu or debian will talk right from the start? I'd
> really like to move to Linux but I've had no luck so far. I'd really
> appreciate feedback.
>
> Anthony Creapeau
> Management Information Systems
> Milwaukee School of Engineering
> voice mail: (414 418-1599
> email: creapeaa@msoe.edu
>
>
>
>
>




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Re:

[Chris Norman]

That's a really difficult question to answer to be fair LOL.

I went from windows to using FC4 via SSH, then i got software speech working 
on FC4, now I use primarily Ubuntu, and FC6 when I can get it working. But 
Ubuntu is by fair the easiest.

If you need help with anything privately, although I'm not the best person 
to ask, I'm more than happy to help you out as much as I can (over MSN if 
it's easier).

Cheers, and HTH a bit,

Chris Norman
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anthony Creapeau" <creapeaa@msoe.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:44 AM


> How do I Migrate from windows to Linux? I'm using Windows now but I
> really want to move to a blind accessible version of Linux. I've 
> downloaded
> Knoppix_speakup and oralux but can not get knoppix to talk and do not want
> to learn the complicated commands of oralux. How can I get knoppix to talk
> and what version of ubuntu or debian will talk right from the start? I'd
> really like to move to Linux but I've had no luck so far. I'd really
> appreciate feedback.
>
> Anthony Creapeau
> Management Information Systems
> Milwaukee School of Engineering
> voice mail: (414 418-1599
> email: creapeaa@msoe.edu
>
>
>
>
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